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buterbaughb1
01-19-2011, 09:28 AM
Is the box used on the 78-88 metric cars a Saginaw 600 or 700 series box?

stock car driver
01-19-2011, 01:12 PM
600

to short of message

buterbaughb1
01-20-2011, 10:15 PM
ok, well il word it this way.

what is the factory steering box for a 1984 chevrolet g-body.

also, what are other boxes that work/bolt up to a metric frame. Im doing away with the quickner and heard camaro boxes are quicker? which gen camaros

i appreciate the incite

Chaps
01-20-2011, 10:41 PM
26000525 box with a Z cast into it is 2 1/2 turns lock to lock. That's about the quickest one I've seen. Pulled it off of a 86 grand prix v6 car.

Dirtman29
01-20-2011, 11:16 PM
Early 90s IROC camaro is a quicker ratio steering box.

stock car driver
01-21-2011, 01:01 PM
ok, well il word it this way.

what is the factory steering box for a 1984 chevrolet g-body.

also, what are other boxes that work/bolt up to a metric frame. Im doing away with the quickner and heard camaro boxes are quicker? which gen camaros

i appreciate the incite


Good luck on that in a oem box theres no certain way to id them.

What you need is a 12-1 ratio many sources sell them etc.

dirty white boy
01-22-2011, 01:12 AM
Early 90s IROC camaro is a quicker ratio steering box.

iroc,..Z28,...monte carloSS is what you looking to get one of off,..might wanta get pump an lines all off same car so it all fit right...2nd an 3rd generation if camaro...

steveshawjr
01-22-2011, 01:55 AM
instead of spending big money on a new box or even trying to find a use one ,

Can you use a steering quickner? cheeper than a box and easy to install

just a thought

buterbaughb1
01-23-2011, 07:03 PM
I used a quickner last year, just didnt like the feel of it, and i junked my factory box (not from the quickner). So i made a bracket that bolts up to the same holes as the quickner. If its too much i can but the quickner right back in. Thanks for the info fellas

Dirtrunner35
01-24-2011, 09:19 PM
Re: Z28 steering box

GM/Saginaw quick-ratio steering box donor car cheat sheet

Late Model 12.7:1 quick-ratio gearbox ID markings YA, WS and HX Line Thread Size: M18x1.5 and M16x1.5 Number of Mounting Holes: 3, (missing leg H-pattern) Input Shaft Diameter: -inch Output Shaft Diameter: 1 -inch Number of Turns Lock to Lock: 2 - 3 1984-'88 Monte Carlo/Malibu with Z65 suspension 1983-'88 Malibu, El Camino 1982-'92 Camaro except FE1 soft ride suspension 1984-'87 Regal with FE2 or FE3 sport suspension 1983-'84 Hurst/Olds 1985-'87 Cutlass with 5.0 (VIN code 9) 1982-'85 Trans Am 1986-'92 Firebird except FE1 suspension 1986-'87 Grand Prix with FE2 touring or F41 heavy duty suspension

Pre-'76 12.7:1 quick-ratio gearbox Line Thread Size: 11/16 x 18 and 5/8 x 18 Number of Mounting Holes: 4, (H-pattern) Input Shaft Diameter: 13/16-inch Output Shaft Diameter: 1 -inch Number of Turns Lock to Lock: 2 - 3 1967-'76 Camaro, Firebird 1970-'76 Monte Carlo/Malibu 1964-'76 Chevelle

1977-'79 12.7:1 quick-ratio gearbox Line Thread Size: 11/16 x 18 and 5/8 x 18 Number of Mounting Holes: 3, (missing leg H-pattern) Input Shaft Diameter: -inch Output Shaft Diameter: 1 -inch Number of Turns Lock to Lock: 2 - 3 1977-'79 Camaro, Firebird 1977-'79 Monte Carlo, Malibu 1977-'79 Chevelle

Jeep/S-10 14.0:1 quick ratio gearbox Line Thread Size: M18x1.5 and M16x1.5 Number of Mounting Holes: 3, (missing leg H-pattern) Input Shaft Diameter: -inch Output Shaft Diameter: 1 -inch Number of Turns Lock to Lock: 3 - 3 1991-'92 Fleetwood 1992-'95 Grand Cherokee 1984-'93 Comanche 1984-'95 Cherokee/Wagoneer 1983-'86 Bonneville 1982-'93 2WD S-10 Blazer and pickup

Renegade Cust Susp
01-24-2011, 10:34 PM
Napa part number NSP 88277101 is a box off a 85 iroc with sport suspension it is 1 3/4 lock to lock, probably the fastest ive seen.

dirty white boy
01-25-2011, 03:52 AM
Napa part number NSP 88277101 is a box off a 85 iroc with sport suspension it is 1 3/4 lock to lock, probably the fastest ive seen.
http://www.napaonline.com/Search/Detail.aspx?A=NSP88277101_0186415002&An=599001+101985+50012+2012008

better check that box,..its 2 1/2 turns to 2 15/16ths.....

stock car driver
01-25-2011, 01:21 PM
http://www.napaonline.com/Search/Detail.aspx?A=NSP88277101_0186415002&An=599001+101985+50012+2012008

better check that box,..its 2 1/2 turns to 2 15/16ths.....

I was going to enlighten the above poster to the fact that when you go to ANY parts store, junk yard etc.

And ask for a gm p.s box off a 16" wheel Iroc which comes from the factory with a quicker box... They all REPLACE it with ANY ratio box that will fit...... Which generally is a 14-1 much more common box.

I have been to all the parts stores and went thru all of this years ago and even got a few that swore they could get the right box after ordering in 4 and all of them being 2.5 turns they gave up.

BUT hey maybe youll get lucky once in a while and get a actual direct replacement!!!

Renegade Cust Susp
01-25-2011, 02:21 PM
Actually realized that I counted after on the the car with quickner, the napa part is a correct part number for a faster box I know this because I work there and recently ordered and placed one on my pierce car, which is a metric clip car and it was faster than the used "z" box that was on before.

stock car driver
01-25-2011, 03:41 PM
Actually realized that I counted after on the the car with quickner, the napa part is a correct part number for a faster box I know this because I work there and recently ordered and placed one on my pierce car, which is a metric clip car and it was faster than the used "z" box that was on before.

You probably didnt have the Z box. There is no way to id one that I know about other than counting turns. The casting number on them that ends in 7 or 2 is supposed to designate, but I trusted that for years and two years ago realized my two cars were steering different because that box comes as slow as 3.25...

I also worked for Napa, Super Shops, California Auto and managed a Ford parts department in the past, lol. Trying to get specific parts isnt easy.

That said Harris and I believe Jr motorsports sell a 12-1 box now for 199 or so.

jj

dirty white boy
01-25-2011, 10:55 PM
Actually realized that I counted after on the the car with quickner, the napa part is a correct part number for a faster box I know this because I work there and recently ordered and placed one on my pierce car, which is a metric clip car and it was faster than the used "z" box that was on before.

all i was sayin if you go to napa's web site an look up the part number you gave that napa advertizing that box as a 2 1/2 lock to lock,..not 1 3/4 as you stated,...check out the link i posted above on your napa number box!!!


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Attributes # Steering gear Box Mounting Holes : 3
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Power Steering Gear Box Line Thread Size : M18 X 1.5; M16 X 1.5
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steveshawjr
02-01-2011, 02:25 PM
qiuckners can be tought to get use to for some guys and others pic it up right away


the only down side we had with them was the coupel times we thrown a belt makes it 2 times harder to turn without powersteering.

anyways i hope you find a box you like and dont be afraid of the quickner you said you ran it last season just wait till you go back to the stock box you may just want to put it back in once you get outh there just becasue you ran it a hole season and got use to it :P