What is your opinion on this 1000 HP late model motor???????

[latemodels4life]

EDGE Racing Engines, New for development for 2010, a
1016 hp dirt late model engine. $35,000

[sj valley dave]

LOL...What supposedly is in it and whos dyno did it do 1,016 HP? LOL

[stockcar5]

1000hp could be done with the right parts i would guess. cup cars are up to 860hp with 12 to 1 compression, 360ci, flat tappet cam and a cast intake with 1 4bbl. imagine what could be done with no compression or ci limits? i would think it would take alot more than 35k though to get it done.

[roybeckett13j]

1000hp?! whatever car it goes in is gonna need three things...

1. some dang big tires
2. a dang big spoiler
3. a driver with some dang big stones!!

[fast_crew]

That would be Chris Rhodes, don't be afraid to give him a call and ask questions. He has been working/ designing that combo for awhile and has sold atleast one of them I know. Been awhile since I talked to him, he only lives 20 min. from me.

[hpontap]

Late model engine builder 3 years running, Cornett's used engines are going for 28K.
I just wonder how driveable the Edge engines will be.

[Hendrens Racing Engines]

With the new wide bore spacing blocks and R heads it would be easy to get over 1000 H.P. but it would be unusable at all but the best tracks

[hucktyson]

heres my stance on the issue ...... how many world of outlaws titles have been won using edge power ??? Why on earth would someone pay almost cornett dollars and more than clements dollars for a no name motor when the other guys have proven themselves for years at the highest levels of the sport.. Do your self a favor and just call cornett

[fast_crew]

The engine I know of will be used at Port Royal speedway, a big!! 1/2 mile you can use it all there. How many engines does Cornett do a year? How many employees? Edge Employees=2 including Chris. Your only paying for the big name to be on the valve covers, there stuff blows up just like the next guys.

[hucktyson]

My point is hes asking cornett money for a motor, but he isnt cornett. theres more than just a name on the valve covers. Unless there is a signifigant savings by going to the lesser name builder then theres no point. Would you pay the same money for a corvette z06 as you would for a new ferrari 458 ?? I mean hell its just a name on the rear bumper.... why buy a rolex when you can get a citizen its just a name right ? how many people would buy the citizen if it was the same cost as a rolex ?? because thats pretty much what you taking about here.

[giffordracing]

Sounds like cornetts your hero not his...buy the way who is he...

If I was gonna spend that much...

It would be ....ECR

[JETAM]

Take a look at the May 2010 issue of Race Engine Technology which features a super very detailed article on ECR dirt late model engines and their philosophy on usable power, engine size. Very interesting opinions by ECR engineers.

[biker6403]

The influence of Nascar is gonna kill this kind of racing. Soon, all DLM engine builders will be swallowed up and forced to follow the corporate line to survive. You will only be able to buy/lease engines from the "Big Boys". What a load of crap.

[fast_crew]

WHere can you get these Race Engine Tech. mags. besides from them for $20us thats nutz!!

[ptodd]

The edge 1016hp engine is a big block. But bill is right with this new 4.500 bs engines there is a good bit of power there

[Hendrens Racing Engines]

Think 550 cu in , not 500.we have worked out the combination,did that when the Dart billet blocks first came out. the $ 17000.00 block cost put the skids on the project. It was to be a house car engine with 14.0-1 on E-85
Same engine with higher comp on race gas would make 1000 on a bad day. I would still like to build the engine in the lower compression ratio,if someone wants one that will pull a locomotive

[stockcar5]

bill is close. its a 560ci big block.

[sj valley dave]

You sure that it is a big block? It looks like a Dart 4.50 bore space SBC...No body in their right mind wants that big heavy recipricating weight of a big block. A 1,000 hp big block is no big deal. Been around for a long time..I think it is one of the new large displacement small blocks....Might be wrong...

[giffordracing]

its alcohol fed small block...
Dont no where Id use it ..But Id like to drop the hammer once
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2JEOyUI0zU

[hucktyson]

thats NOT a 4.5 bore spacing small block, look a little closer it has big block heads on it and yeslike you said 1000 hp out of a big block isnt any kind of record

[giffordracing]

ya after a closer look...You are exactly right..BB heads...being they said dirt late model I figured small block..Wrong..lol
Not that Impressive then

[connor]

The are making a new block takes small block internals that uses big block heads special crank raised cam.

[dirty white boy]

one them newer ls motors stroked out should pump out close to 1000 hp,...an id guess 8-900 foot lbs,...but gonna costs a lot if it go boom!!

[Egoracing]

Look at the intake in the picture and tell me what you notice. http://www.edgeracingengines.com/

[runyou-2]

Looks like a sb intake on a bb head. And back driver side bolt needs re-torqued.:D

[Egoracing]

The two runners are kinda close together, don't ya think? They are NOT in line with the ones on the other side either.

[hucktyson]

Omg its a god (not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word) big block, it was discussd on another page, it has big block heads, big block intake and big block valve covers !!!!! What sb chevy intake do you propose that is ??? its not a brodix 1010 its not a dart little cheif its not an sb2.2 and not one (not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word) peice of that motor even resembles an ls motor in any way shape or form. its a dam big block i beleive they said its a 540 cubic inch, and they beleive that this peice will revolutionize dirt late models even though a 9 degree bid bore is way lighter, accelerates way quicker, and will already over power any race track out there so please tell me how or why on earth the big block is a good idea ???

[turner]

A guy at our local track runs a 572 ]crate motor from gm, and he runs well with it.I think they are around 730 hp or so.Doesnt seem like the extra weight hurts him a whole bunch.

[bushracing67]

i think clanton ran one at wvms a few times this past season, ran up front every night, i believe best finish with it was 2nd place, 540" and if i remember right they said it was 40# heavier than a 430, and yeah, thats all big block

[CR9crewguy]

Edge Racing Engines might not have the big name but Chris has been building engines for 25 years. I also can garuntee they will offer any driver a great product and a great line of service you can ask any driver that has raced his engines.
Ok I've personally watched this motor come together as I'm a crew member of Chris Rhodes. Chris has been developing this motor for years! He has done more R&D on this than probably any other engine builder has put in any motor. Yes it is a 560 Big Block and of course we all know big blocks can put out 1000+ HP... This engine has been designed to work in a DLM and be very productive for any racer. Most people say why would you want it when a small block is cheaper and getting the job done for years but when those guys are winning they are hooked up to the track and have it to the floor... why not want a couple hundred more ponies under the hood? This isn't nascar racing where speed is limited this DTR and isn't all about going FASTER?

If you have any questions about it call Chris his cell number is one the website he'll answer any questions you may have. Also more specs are to be on the website this week!

[JETAM]

i think clanton ran one at wvms a few times this past season, ran up front every night, i believe best finish with it was 2nd place, 540" and if i remember right they said it was 40# heavier than a 430, and yeah, thats all big block

Clanton, may have run it once. Steve Francis ran a 504 there twice. The last race there that Pierson won, Clanton ran second with a SB2 Malcuit I belive. The track record was broke that night also by Shaver with a Dart headed small block Chevrolet which I'm sure was pretty big. This is one of the biggest tracks anywhere with long straights. The big blocks there ran decent, but didn't win any of the races.

[bushracing67]

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:ANsYmHgdM3EJ:www.worldofoutlaws.com/latemodel/News/2010/June/060110_LM_WVMSNotes.aspx+shane+clanton+big+block+w vms&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&source=www.google.com

[ptodd]

shaver runs engines that are built by rumley(the car owner) but it all comes from clements

[CR9crewguy]

I was at Port Royal last night and watched this engine run. It was a test and tune ran after a full sprint show. On a less than ideal track surface Gary Beward ran track record lap times and was an average of 2 seconds a lap faster than the other cars. I talked to him after and he said it hooked up nice, drove well, smooth and pulled hard. I'm pretty anxious to see him race this weekend at Williams Grove possibly!

[dynoman14]

When you want to know go right to the source. I thought it might be an LSX similar to the project I was working on. NOT !!!

I called and left a message and got a call back in less than an hour. Chris was a super guy to talk to, it is a All Aluminum BBC -565" currently weighs in at 450# and over 1000HP / 825# TQ he is "right now" building a LW version with Titanium everything for $10K more ( $45,000 ) and it should weigh in close to SBC weight of 400#. This one is on alcohol, because cooling was a concern, and has a huge 1-BBL carb Pro-Systems Carb on it ( used to call them toilet bowls back in the day ), next one will be on gas. He thinks he can get a full season as it only needs to turn 8500 but will wait and see how the first one runs.

His experience and info is not just out of thin air as he has been building tractor and truck pull engine for 20 years and he knows what he is talking about. As far as comparing the money to what other engine builders charge I guess time and results will be the judge.

If I had a SLM I would be on this ASAP. Way cheaper than a BIG SBC and way more reliable cause the block and heads are built for 1000HP from the start. JMO.

Just thought I would get to the bottom of this cause that is how I roll.

[stockcar5]

your late to the party. i called him 2 months ago to get the info that i posted on 1-27. cause thats how i roll...LOL

[dynoman14]

SC5 - "bill is close. its a 560ci big block"
Wow that is a detailed post, I did not see any reference to the engine builder or any other important information. Hey like you said, that is how you roll...UDAMAN !!! Your props...

I posted relevant information that racers were asking about and wanted to know, but maybe did not know the best way to get.

I was thinking this forum was to ask questions, find answers and distribute information for racers to use and learn with.

Anyway my original interest was related to the possibility of it being and LSX, as the one that I spoke about at length last year ended up winning pinks in GA by about 30mph on the top end, and that did not even have the multiple stages of blow running at that time.

[tsand]

1. titanium parts are illegal in all the top series 2. i watch ronnie johnson kickass with a 525 crate motor at bulls gap. 3.why pay that kind of money when a bigger spoiler and a weight break will run circle around you.

[tsand]

there is maybe 5 race tracks in the country where you can use that much power. small bullrings out number big tracks 10 to 1 and it doesnt matter because in the summer months even the big tracks are going to be dry slick. went to the dream last year and the drivers couldn't touch the gas with out spinning the tires.drivers were qualifing with a big motor then switching to a small motor for the race.as far as titantium it doesn't matter if it frame, motor or rims its illeagel.the cause far out weigh the benifits.

[50j]

SC5 - "bill is close. its a 560ci big block"
Wow that is a detailed post, I did not see any reference to the engine builder or any other important information. Hey like you said, that is how you roll...UDAMAN !!! Your props...

I posted relevant information that racers were asking about and wanted to know, but maybe did not know the best way to get.

I was thinking this forum was to ask questions, find answers and distribute information for racers to use and learn with.

Anyway my original interest was related to the possibility of it being and LSX, as the one that I spoke about at length last year ended up winning pinks in GA by about 30mph on the top end, and that did not even have the multiple stages of blow running at that time.
Since they pick a field of cars that run within a few hundredths of each other, how did he win by 30mph without being disqualified?

[stockcar5]

I was thinking this forum was to ask questions, find answers and distribute information for racers to use and learn with.


no, its turned into a big classified add for snake oil salemen with poor reputations.

[stockcar5]

Since they pick a field of cars that run within a few hundredths of each other, how did he win by 30mph without being disqualified?

dynoman probably sold them a high tech traction control satellite device that fools timing and scoring sytems. his guy at the DOD probably helped him develop it in between building websites for liars.

[50j]

It was probably an electronic ray gun that jammed the timing equipment and didn't show the 30 mph advantage he had. That was developed when he was the director of operations and lead engineer for NASA.

[sj valley dave]

There are quite a few cars running with titanium rods...There is nothing in the rule book that prohibits titanium in engines. All we have are ti retainers, valves and keepers because we can't afford a set of the rods...

[dynoman14]

Haters in general have a problem with technology they don't understand and with folks that can work thru rule books with creative thought. Would you say a person was cheating if they fooled and engine dyno into making 100 more HP and won a contest doing so, or would you call it original thought.

That being said why don't all you geniuses out there tell me how to do it, because it can be done. Pretty easily as a matter of fact. You might have to actually work the brain to get there but we'll see what happens.

As far as the satellite info, I don't guess y'all know much about Delphi electronics and Hughes Corporation. Wonder if they make any parts for GM ???

Oh wait my keys are locked in the car, can you open it up for me and while your at it can you re-map my fuel curve as I am going to Denver in my CTS-V this weekend for a ski trip and I don't want to burn a titanium valve...

If you want to learn something join a "pay to join" F1/MotoGP forum, I am sure you computer geniuses can find one of them real easy...oh wait they are by invitation only, sorry.


SJ Dave,
They group the cars by ET and not MPH and even if they did monitor MPH the car did not run out the top end of the track until the last pass. If you have ever drag raced you will know that a good 9.90 car can run 7.50's but is throttle stopped or stuttered back after the 60' mark and will still run 150mph and 9.90. A 1 second 60' time is a huge factor in the acceleration factor of a car as you can launch a pro-stocker and cut it after 100' and it will still run 10sec@100mph.

The group of folks testing, building and running the vette were smart enough to win by what they had to and did not show the top end charge until the finals and even then it went unnoticed by 99.9% of anybody there at the track or who watched it including you.

Truth,
Best to call the engine builder but I can give you a short list that will save 20-30#...Titanium head studs and nuts, titanium rocker bars, titanium rocker shafts, titanium wrist pins, titanium main caps, titanium main studs and nuts and if you spend and extra $2500 you can take 15# off the block, and another $2500 will get you 5-10# off the crank. That takes care of most of the big stuff then on the rest of the small stuff you just grind off what is not needed.

I have a 4.5" BBC crank built by Larry at Kryptonite and it weighs 48# which at the time was about 20# lighter than what other folks were running. This thing ran in an ancient big IHRA engine that won the Fall Nationals at Bristol it was in a 598 with small EPD heads that were out dated. The thing only made about 1050HP but turned 9500rpm when the Sonny Engines were making 1250 but only turned 8500rpm. The other advantage was it had a 60' like an NHRA car with the added torque it had over the big engines and we loaded all them folks on the trailer that one lucky day about 20 years ago. Billy Ewing knocked Doug Kirk out of the Championship and Tricky Rickie won the deal by a couple points. Haven't done a big engine since then until the 500" LS project last year. SORRY got sidetracked again...

Anyway, wanna see LW...Go look at a Charlie Fisher Sprint car engine and then you'll learn about LW, ain't no studs or bolts hanging past a nut and all the nuts are 1/2 height, and the list goes on...and he ain't scared to run magnesium either. Mag pistons are about 30% lighter than alum as well as carbon wrist pins about 1/2 of titanium and not that expensive really.

[stockcar5]

As far as the satellite info, I don't guess y'all know much about Delphi electronics and Hughes Corporation. Wonder if they make any parts for GM ???

Oh wait my keys are locked in the car, can you open it up for me and while your at it can you re-map my fuel curve as I am going to Denver in my CTS-V this weekend for a ski trip and I don't want to burn a titanium valve...

no fuel mapping is done via satellite. the pcm uses the baro reading to compensate for altitude changes and changes the fuel map accordingly.

also the lsa 6.2 engine in the cts-v does not have titanium valves...lol

if you actually knew what you were talking about people wouldn't "hate" on you so much.

[tsand]

the guy said titanium frame read lucas and woo rules all state no titanium frame or brakes or wheels. titanium cranks are outlawed in a lot of series.if you got to bolt on lite weight parts that cost like hell to get down to the pounds you need you end up killing the advantge of the horse power. the direction to save dirt latemodels is cutting cost not addding to them.

[50j]

Haters in general have a problem with technology they don't understand and with folks that can work thru rule books with creative thought. Would you say a person was cheating if they fooled and engine dyno into making 100 more HP and won a contest doing so, or would you call it original thought.

That being said why don't all you geniuses out there tell me how to do it, because it can be done. Pretty easily as a matter of fact. You might have to actually work the brain to get there but we'll see what happens.

As far as the satellite info, I don't guess y'all know much about Delphi electronics and Hughes Corporation. Wonder if they make any parts for GM ???

Oh wait my keys are locked in the car, can you open it up for me and while your at it can you re-map my fuel curve as I am going to Denver in my CTS-V this weekend for a ski trip and I don't want to burn a titanium valve...

If you want to learn something join a "pay to join" F1/MotoGP forum, I am sure you computer geniuses can find one of them real easy...oh wait they are by invitation only, sorry.


SJ Dave,
They group the cars by ET and not MPH and even if they did monitor MPH the car did not run out the top end of the track until the last pass. If you have ever drag raced you will know that a good 9.90 car can run 7.50's but is throttle stopped or stuttered back after the 60' mark and will still run 150mph and 9.90. A 1 second 60' time is a huge factor in the acceleration factor of a car as you can launch a pro-stocker and cut it after 100' and it will still run 10sec@100mph.

The group of folks testing, building and running the vette were smart enough to win by what they had to and did not show the top end charge until the finals and even then it went unnoticed by 99.9% of anybody there at the track or who watched it including you.

Truth,
Best to call the engine builder but I can give you a short list that will save 20-30#...Titanium head studs and nuts, titanium rocker bars, titanium rocker shafts, titanium wrist pins, titanium main caps, titanium main studs and nuts and if you spend and extra $2500 you can take 15# off the block, and another $2500 will get you 5-10# off the crank. That takes care of most of the big stuff then on the rest of the small stuff you just grind off what is not needed.

I have a 4.5" BBC crank built by Larry at Kryptonite and it weighs 48# which at the time was about 20# lighter than what other folks were running. This thing ran in an ancient big IHRA engine that won the Fall Nationals at Bristol it was in a 598 with small EPD heads that were out dated. The thing only made about 1050HP but turned 9500rpm when the Sonny Engines were making 1250 but only turned 8500rpm. The other advantage was it had a 60' like an NHRA car with the added torque it had over the big engines and we loaded all them folks on the trailer that one lucky day about 20 years ago. Billy Ewing knocked Doug Kirk out of the Championship and Tricky Rickie won the deal by a couple points. Haven't done a big engine since then until the 500" LS project last year. SORRY got sidetracked again...

Anyway, wanna see LW...Go look at a Charlie Fisher Sprint car engine and then you'll learn about LW, ain't no studs or bolts hanging past a nut and all the nuts are 1/2 height, and the list goes on...and he ain't scared to run magnesium either. Mag pistons are about 30% lighter than alum as well as carbon wrist pins about 1/2 of titanium and not that expensive really.

That is not how they do it on Pinks, and nobody would get away with that. Anyone who watches it knows that any competitor that picks up too much ET or MPH over the original numbers they ran when they were selected is too fast and gets a dq. If it's the best of 3 final round they lose that run. They run "all out" now and can't use a throttle stop or sandbag. They use standard timing equipment that shows ET and MPH, and if a racer deviates from it he loses.

[dirty white boy]

dyno,..stead of peddlin dat snake oil,...why dont you write a screen play bout your life an times makeing horse power technology brake threws,...be kinda like a doc brown from back to the future crossed up with a smoky yunick wanta be.....throw in some on dyno explosions an irate racer's chasien you round your shop wanting there parts an money back,....hollywood would love it as a movie or a reality show....corse it all be fictitious,but hollywood can pull it off with special effects,..you do seem to be better at writing than saleing horse power,lolol just a thought mannn..lolol

[sj valley dave]

Hey Dynoman, You have the wrong person...I never mentioned anything about any drag racing on this thread....and Tsand, re read the posts...the guy said frame, motor or wheels...Again, there is NOTHING in the Lucas Oil or WoO DLM rule books about titanium in engines...!!!

[F22 RAPTOR]

Not to stir the pot or anything, but just wanted to add that "Edge" builds engines for Jim Bernheisel @ Lazer Chassis. I don't have a problem with building BBC's for DLM if you can do it in a way to save on costs, but Titanium internals sounds like the wrong direction if your wanting to build more economical engines. Down here in Georgia there isn't a track I can think of that could use 1000HP or 800# torque, no matter who was wheeling it. Maybe the old Golden Isles configuration or Cherokee over in SC before they shortened it, but down south most tracks are short bull ring affairs more conducive to smaller HP with better drivability. Now I think you could build a BBC that puts out good power and would live for a season, but this package doesn't appear to headed in that direction. Good luck to Edge with 1016 HP @ $35K.

[dynoman14]

SJ Dave, might have mis-typed your handle instead of 50j.

Does NASCAR quailfy for a full body race division? Last time I checked they have been running lightened blocks for 50+ years, I guess the 20 Compacted Graphite blocks I bought from HMS that are 60# lighter than a Uni-Boring stock block must be fakes... Same with Southern All-Stars, Woo and the list goes on.

As far as Drag racers running LW Steel blocks are a way of life there what do you think they have been doing for the last 50 years on steel blocks, There are probably 10 CNC shops out there that have programs for about $3k-5k that lightens up BBC Steel blocks 30-40# for divisions that allow it. As far as that goes, I was only reporting on what the engine builder told me and his numbers are in the ball park. Call him if you want to know more about the engine.

Of all of you engne gurus out there, tell me what part of an all aluminum big block do you think would be that much heavier than a SBC. Oh yea, and by the way, if you really want to weigh somthing properly, you might want to fill up those big water passages with water and then weigh them and see what you get. Just cause something is cast way lighter does not mean it will race lighter. Heads are a perfect example. Crankshaft?? I have a 42# 4.375" BBC Crank from Kryptonite and it is not even the lightest one Larry makes.

I guess I mis-spoke on the CTS-V valves, I was thinking about the race version...sorry, I know that will probably take my rep down a notch.

As far as the corvette win, I guess it was like man walking on the moon, maybe they shot that show in somebody's back yard and not at Commerce, GA. You ever think things on TV might be a little rigged to make the shows better, no I guess not cause some folks still think WWE is real...

DWB, thanks for the vote of confidence. The discovery channel has alredy been to my shop about 10 years ago and shot the first of all Race Reality TV shows, had a bunch of local dirt racers doing thier thing ( Grass roots of Racing ). They shot 3 shows at my shop and only aired the original as they did not have the budget to buy time for the other 2. They wanted to do a 12-16 show series but with ARCA Racing, Engine and car leasing, and the other projects I had going I would not have been able to meet their schedule for 12-16 consecutive weeks of filming.

Gotta run, have a fresh batch of snake oil in process that I have to get done. Customer from California is coming to pick-up 8 drums of it for his Offshore Boat engines. Man do I have him snowed, after racing for 20 years this guy and his million dollar operation runs my stuff over anything else just because it is so cheap at $150GAL.

[stock car driver]

dyno wheres the pictures of your custom built clutches you been building for years??? I posted pics of the ones I had in my possession over a month ago.... lets go post them up..

[runyou-2]

Dynoman,since a lot of people on this forum are always calling you a liar when ever you post,why would you even waste time messing with them here? What i'm sayin' is....If you have the knowledge you profess,why aren't you registered on Speedtalk,ADVANCED TECH forum.There's some VERY interesting posts made over there and very seldom does someone doubt the other person because somebody will happen to know their connections and back him up.Very civilized tech talk.Even the same at Dartheads....the engineers from Dart always posting some very cool stuff they are working on.I just can't figure out why you would be here pissin' with some of these kids,if that's the case..

[50j]

Dyno, I've been to a couple of the Pinks races. I've been in the pits, had friends on tv, etc. There is no way Paul could have gotten away with running 30 mph faster on that last pass or he would have been disqaulified for that run. Anyone who was there or who's seen that episode can tell you it didn't happen. Nothing personal, I enjoy the entertainment value of your posts. Keep 'em coming.

[50j]

Dynoman,since a lot of people on this forum are always calling you a liar when ever you post,why would you even waste time messing with them here? What i'm sayin' is....If you have the knowledge you profess,why aren't you registered on Speedtalk,ADVANCED TECH forum.There's some VERY interesting posts made over there and very seldom does someone doubt the other person because somebody will happen to know their connections and back him up.Very civilized tech talk.Even the same at Dartheads....the engineers from Dart always posting some very cool stuff they are working on.I just can't figure out why you would be here pissin' with some of these kids,if that's the case..

Good idea!! Try Yellow Bullet too.

[fwb35]

I am very experienced how dynoman rolls, and I know of several others that have been, well, how do I say this, removed of their belongings and recieved nothing in return, yea, I guess thats the nice way of sayiing it lol.

[dirty white boy]

I am very experienced how dynoman rolls, and I know of several others that have been, well, how do I say this, removed of their belongings and recieved nothing in return, yea, I guess thats the nice way of sayiing it lol.

few years ago when i first got on here,..i found dyno's post entertaining,...messaged with him a few times an he was helpful with some info,..but really pushing me to send him my carb....an money...hell didn't even have a carb yet....but then i noticed in most the threads he posted in he trying to sale parts or service,...nuttun wrong with that but seemed he was just using this site to promote his business,...then started noticing un truths in his post that other folks were quick to point out,...then the bashing started,...then folks started posting what he had screwed them out of,..well every body has a few unsatisfied costumers,...but then the unhappy list got longer,...then thay started posting court documents,an legal papers,..an links to court records,..all was left was a babbled bs line bout how he never did nobody wrong an it was all made up to make him look bad,...the hole time reputable builders on here offering to dyno his parts an products,even try to buy from him to test them to post on here there results,..but lil dynomo run off an stayed quite till thay reformatted this site,an all the old post were lost,...sure glade i didnt have any money for him to du me out off....

[fwb35]

You are very lucky, I lost a lot, he also pushed me to bring him my engine, I did and never got what was agreed to, sure he talks the talk but with me never walked the walk. He always has reasons and excuses for his side of the story, but bottom line, I was taken and never got what was agreed to. Buyers beware.

[dynoman14]

Thanks for the recommendations, every time you guys jump all over my posts no matter how old they are, you end up kicking-up my business another 10%. I am currently maxed out but keep it up, I have hired out some of my Carb machining processes, I am small batching my oil 500Gal at a time now and am having my headers private label built along with the Ti Ceramic done outside.

I am a member on probably 20 other forums and am either dynoman14 or raceman14 on most of them. I have sold head machines and trained prolly 100 of the best head guys in the country and most of them still buy parts from me, custom designed seat cutters, or Custom Re-manufactured Serdi machines from me. I still sell a couple Serdi's a year for customers that want Perfection. I have included a list before but can update for anybody that really wants to know.

Like I said in a couple other posts, don't bring your stuff to me if you can't afford to pay your bills !!!

Frank, sorry I couldn't let you walk with a $20,000 race engine for $250 down, a broken plasma cutter and a junk generator I could not even sell at the pawn shop for $100. To be honest with you, the only thing you lost was your original $5k investment in the 603, and the $3500 you spent to blow it up.
I guess the docs you signed at my shop, that you sent me regarding the parts you wanted back were not enough...were you expecting them to turn to gold in the 4 months you left them at my shop???

By the way you probably need to stick to fixing AC Systems instead of engine building as the Lunati Thumper cam and 1.6 rockers you put on the 603 were responsible for the complete destruction of your 603 you said you got ripped of on. You should always check valve clearance at TDC with clay prior to final assembly and use at least .125" Valve to piston clearance as a minimum on a hydraulic lifter engine. Missing those shifts will alway kill an engine, but then again who was the engine builder to blame on that deal???

DWB - Only thing I ever talked to you about was sending you a carb & computer designed cam for free to run my name on your car. When you never sent me you phone # or address I figured you worked out another deal.

To all the rest of you, I have over 500 happy 4m customers running my parts and only about 5 of them have ever posted, a couple with track record runs, first time poles and first time wins. I will continue to say I am the best kept secret in racing cause folks would rather keep their results on the DL. As far as shipping parts out to engine builders, I do ocaisionally ( RCR, Gibbs, Hutter, Katech, Lingenfelter and maybe another 20 other major guys I have sold machines to or done training in their shop ) as I have many large customers selling my springs, oils, ignition systems as their Private Label house stuff.

As far as proving the gains of $200 valve springs, unless you have a spin-tron with laser inferometry you won't pick up what my treated springs are doing. If you run them on an engine dyno or chassis dyno, output numbers will tell you the story. 100% of the customers that dyno them e-mail me back with dis-belief that making big power is as simple as that.

Too bad 99% of the racing world is ignorant to valvetrain harmonics and the causal effects and power losses it contributes to; but I do know the other 1% is happy to have my stuff.

My springs, retainers and locks have been on about 1/2 of the race winning cars in Fastrak, NeSmith and UMP. Other than that I just keep on kicking out about 30 sets a week and have them pre-sold for about a month in advance.

Thanks for the continued support !!!

[Egoracing]

And if you could bag that and put it in your garden you would have HUGE fruit and vegetables!
As PROVEN before, 99% of what you post is bull $&^!. You point blank said that all of the top car at one race were running YOUR parts. The problem is I personally knew the top 5 cars and NOT ONE was running your parts. Again bag it and put it in the garden, then you would actually get some results!

[stockcar5]

over 1000 posts on just 1 forum and this douche bag thinks he's racings best kept secret...LOL. its well know he's been proven a liar and a thief...anything else he posts is just for our entertainment!

[dirty white boy]

dyno you never offerd nuttun for free,..nuttun bout computer cam ether an dam sure didnt talk bout puttin your name on my car!! an can post the 3 year old messages to prove it,....carb an money,...pitchin parts sales....filters an carb dynos an money!!!!snake oil!!!

[F22 RAPTOR]

I'm not taking anybody's side here, but I can read about people thrashing on Dynoman in any post on 4m, but really it's a dead horse to me. How about we give this thread back to the story about the 1000 HP BBC, that actually sounded interesting.

Anybody on here actually running or have run a BBC in a DLM?
Whats the total weight difference from a typical all aluminum BBC and an SBC?
Does anybody think this direction has merit?
What are the Pro's to running a BBC over an SBC?
Is 1016 HP really needed on dirt?

[latemodels4life]

I do know that this monster motor has not won a race yet,the good ole small block has won every time so far.

[F22 RAPTOR]

I do know that this monster motor has not won a race yet,the good ole small block has won every time so far.

Good point. I believe it has been run at some venues that would give it a better chance to perform, but failed to come thru with victory, at least as of yet.

[fast_crew]

The engine won it's heat race and the Feature at Port Royal speedway last night. Restarts didn't really seem to be an advantage but pulled 1-2cars at the exit of the corners almost every lap, looked very strong.

[F22 RAPTOR]

The engine won it's heat race and the Feature at Port Royal speedway last night. Restarts didn't really seem to be an advantage but pulled 1-2cars at the exit of the corners almost every lap, looked very strong.

Very interesting. I've never been to Port Royal, what is it like?
What were the conditions it won under? Slick? Tacky?
How many cars in feature?
Who was running it?
:cool:

[stock car driver]

DWB - Only thing I ever talked to you about was sending you a carb & computer designed cam for free to run my name on your car. When you never sent me you phone # or address I figured you worked out another deal.

Are you too busy or the best kept secret in racing or not?

Im just a podunk out of my garage guy who sells 9 inch gears, floaters, egr deletes, waste gates and puts in the occassional 4 cyl fwd cage and I DONT want my name on any cars, its barely visible on mine as all it gets me is more people wanting sponsored!!!

[F22 RAPTOR]

^^^ I had hoped we were past this. ^^^ :confused:

Anybody know what Port Royal is like, I've only seen it in "Pirates of the Caribbean", LOL. Congrats Edge engines on the win with a BBC, that may be the first victory for a BBC in 20+ years in a DLM. :cool:

[stock car driver]

^^^ I had hoped we were past this. ^^^ :confused:

Anybody know what Port Royal is like, I've only seen it in "Pirates of the Caribbean", LOL. Congrats Edge engines on the win with a BBC, that may be the first victory for a BBC in 20+ years in a DLM. :cool:



Sorry I missed the new b.s post by dyno dumb dumb.

Im still waiting for the pics of his clutch hes been building and selling for 20 years that is a single disc and better than the rest. I posted pics of the parts I was talking about that are off the shelf he claimed didnt exhist...

[fast_crew]

Port is a Big 1/2 mile, always fast even when slicked off, almost always has a cushion. ( Weekly sprint car track) Track was dry but not really slick, driver was running the top groove pretty much entire race. Not sure how many cars didn't really count them, 24+ I know there was a consi for them.

[F22 RAPTOR]

Port is a Big 1/2 mile, always fast even when slicked off, almost always has a cushion. ( Weekly sprint car track) Track was dry but not really slick, driver was running the top groove pretty much entire race. Not sure how many cars didn't really count them, 24+ I know there was a consi for them.

Awesome, so a full field. I kinda expect that package to fair better on the bigger tracks. 1015 HP is a lot of ponies, I can't wait to hear how it does on a smaller track. Wonder how hard they are turning that beast? Did it sound different? Just curious. :D

[fast_crew]

I would say a good bit less then the small blocks, I was told it should really only have to turn 7300 or so. I could hear a diff. on corner entry(deeper sound), but it didn't sound much diff on exit. Didn't seem to have any issues with traction. Did seem to be a little nose heavy, pushed the nose on entry a few times early in the race.

[fwb35]

Frank, sorry I couldn't let you walk with a $20,000 race engine for $250 down, a broken plasma cutter and a junk generator I could not even sell at the pawn shop for $100. To be honest with you, the only thing you lost was your original $5k investment in the 603, and the $3500 you spent to blow it up.
I guess the docs you signed at my shop, that you sent me regarding the parts you wanted back were not enough...were you expecting them to turn to gold in the 4 months you left them at my shop???

By the way you probably need to stick to fixing AC Systems instead of engine building as the Lunati Thumper cam and 1.6 rockers you put on the 603 were responsible for the complete destruction of your 603 you said you got ripped of on. You should always check valve clearance at TDC with clay prior to final assembly and use at least .125" Valve to piston clearance as a minimum on a hydraulic lifter engine. Missing those shifts will alway kill an engine, but then again who was the engine builder to blame on that deal???


Wow, all I can say is if anybody believes this guy you are a fool. I have canceled checks and e mails with pics from this guy about my engine. The bottom end broke, he even called me wanting the cam card from the custom cam I had made so he could sell my rockers and cam, what a liar and a thief dynoman is. If anybody ever does business with this guy you are a fool.

[dirty white boy]

Wow, all I can say is if anybody believes this guy you are a fool. I have canceled checks and e mails with pics from this guy about my engine. The bottom end broke, he even called me wanting the cam card from the custom cam I had made so he could sell my rockers and cam, what a liar and a thief dynoman is. If anybody ever does business with this guy you are a fool.
as much bad stuff been proven bout him on here,...most other websites im on woulda banned him,..but if he ever writes a book,..ill spend that money,...love a good lol!!

[F22 RAPTOR]

^^^ How about we let sleeping dogs lie. You can blast Dynoman in any number of places but it takes away from the original purpose of this post and its a very DEAD horse.^^^


I would say a good bit less then the small blocks, I was told it should really only have to turn 7300 or so. I could hear a diff. on corner entry(deeper sound), but it didn't sound much diff on exit. Didn't seem to have any issues with traction. Did seem to be a little nose heavy, pushed the nose on entry a few times early in the race.

Cool, thanks for the update.

[ask0329]

Does edge build any Big Block engines for the NE Dirt Mods? I know they cannot run aluminum blocks and I think 460ci max. Would be curious to know. Regardless that engine in a NE Big Block Mod on the Syracuse Mile or even in a late model would be insane.

[stock car driver]

but if he ever writes a book,..ill spend that money,...love a good lol!!

Nice one!!

[F22 RAPTOR]

Does edge build any Big Block engines for the NE Dirt Mods? I know they cannot run aluminum blocks and I think 460ci max. Would be curious to know. Regardless that engine in a NE Big Block Mod on the Syracuse Mile or even in a late model would be insane.

Are you sure they can't run aluminum blocks??? I see quite a few for sale over on racingjunk.com with aluminum blocks and bigger than 460 I thought... Don't know if Edge builds BB Mod engines or not.

[ask0329]

I guess they updated their rules in the last year to allow for aluminum blocks and bigger ci". Didnt realize that. Very Cool.

A.) Conventional stock type V-8 engines (OEM American long block – GM, Ford and Chrysler) with the cam in the block will be permitted. Aftermarket DART and Merlin cast iron engine blocks will be permitted.
B.) A maximum displacement of 467 cubic inches will be permitted with a minimum displacement of 396 cubic inches. An overall maximum tolerance of 10 cubic inches for wear will be permitted.
C.) Aluminum engine blocks will not be permitted

[F22 RAPTOR]

I guess they updated their rules in the last year to allow for aluminum blocks and bigger ci". Didnt realize that. Very Cool.

A.) Conventional stock type V-8 engines (OEM American long block – GM, Ford and Chrysler) with the cam in the block will be permitted. Aftermarket DART and Merlin cast iron engine blocks will be permitted.
B.) A maximum displacement of 467 cubic inches will be permitted with a minimum displacement of 396 cubic inches. An overall maximum tolerance of 10 cubic inches for wear will be permitted.
C.) Aluminum engine blocks will not be permitted

Don't quote me, thats just what i thought I saw. BB Mods interest me, but they don't run anywhere near me that I know about.

[ask0329]

F22, I grew up around BB mods here in the North East so they always have a place with me. People in the NE though have a wierd mentality towards them though. Its the only racecar to them. Literaly. Once they run, most tracks empty out as not many people stick around to see the imca's, late models or other support classes. Its almost like a cult following. When the BB mods go to florida or charlotte its kind of amusing as they are the support class and almost the laughed at. Thats when people go to the bathrooms or get food.

[F22 RAPTOR]

F22, I grew up around BB mods here in the North East so they always have a place with me. People in the NE though have a wierd mentality towards them though. Its the only racecar to them. Literaly. Once they run, most tracks empty out as not many people stick around to see the imca's, late models or other support classes. Its almost like a cult following. When the BB mods go to florida or charlotte its kind of amusing as they are the support class and almost the laughed at. Thats when people go to the bathrooms or get food.

Its the same way with Super Lates down here in the SE. I myself love and respect all the top classes of dirt racing, Supers, BB Mods and Sprints(Winged & Non-Winged).

[fast_crew]

Two in a row for the BB at Port Royal, track was really fast but very rough last night. They tore up alot of really good cars.

[F22 RAPTOR]

Two in a row for the BB at Port Royal, track was really fast but very rough last night. They tore up alot of really good cars.

Awesome! What kind of chassis were they running? Do you know?

[Dirt Man]

Awesome! What kind of chassis were they running? Do you know?

2010 Rayburn on 4-bar.

[malentra]

waiting for new jobs. Thank you for unshared.

[hugoistanz]

very successful. Waiting for new jobs. See you soon

[ClassMan352]

Thanks a lot...