Elkins Results 6-3-11

[Zero]

Elkins Raceway Results 6-3-10
Super lates
1. Jared Hawkins
2. Tim Senic
3. Bob Gordon
4. Billy Holbert
5. Cody Hardesty
6. Skip Hare
7. Gary Dalton
8. Josh Coffman
9. Chad McClelland
10. Tracy Sampson
11. Nicholas Corley
12. Shaun Poling
13. Chuck Harper
14. Steve Booth
15. Quinton Wyandt
Roy’s RV Supercenter Thunder Runner 30 for Valley Supply Fastracks
1. Shane Hitt
2. Nolan Dalton
3. Bob Cossell IV
4. Kyle Thomas
5. Kris Southern
6. Shawn Jett
7. Greg Hicks
8. Daniel hill
9. Steveyan n Dotson
10. Cody Rogers
11. Kevin Keene
12. AJ Johnson
13. Jamie McCloud
14. Tom Keplinger
15. Dusty Hamrick
16. Stan Spooner
17. Gary May
18. Chad Green
19. Scott Beitzel
DNS Mike Lewis
AMRA Millers Used Cars Mods
1. Shaun Davis
2. Louie Krushanski
3. Brent Trimble
4. Tom Sigler
5. Deana Groves
6. Ryan Montgomery
7. Mike Murphy
8. Chad Dotson
9. Bill Vandevender
10. Matt Chenoweth
11. Josh Revels
12. Michael Cromer
13. Mike Cromer
14. Larry Atha
15. Brandon Kerr
16. Jeff Hess

Dont Forget the Chuck Gear Trophy in 2 weeks June 17th, $3,000 to win for super lates

[randy bohan]

come on zero.........you could be my hero.........but noooooooooooo..... i think the street stock,4 bangers and wedges paid the same money to race as the fore mentioned classes on your post................where's the love man??????????

[Zero]

Ok Randy....heeeeeeer ya go!~.....

Street Stocks....

Jim Byers
Rick Vest
RANDY BOHON (the worlds most Greatest Street stock Driver)
Johnny Singleton
Bryan Mitchell
CJ McLean
Samantha Rogers
Dustin Isner
Robin Maxon
Wes herron
Jamie Keene
Ken Vest
Robert Isner
**Jr Auvil NS
4 cyls
Donnie Wamsley
Jason Frazier
Frank Jones
Anthony Lopez
Dusty Wamsley

I was Not given a rundown on the mini's by the Mini people.....so, I cant post it....hopes this helps randy...I wont let it slip by me again

[lightning2597]

SOOOOO...... when is the BOUNTY going to be put out on the "Hawkins Boys"!?! Those kids are on a rail at ELKINS!!!!!!

[randy bohan]

[QUOTE=Zero;1384884]Ok Randy....heeeeeeer ya go!~.....

Street Stocks....

Jim Byers
Rick Vest
RANDY BOHON (the worlds most Greatest Street stock Driver)

thanks so much zera
i sense a hint of sarcasism
opps ...sorry i misspelled your name
thanks for the up date though :p

[randy bohan]

hey zero
on a serious note
why don't you send someone around at the knob tonite with something to try and get the street stock fellers to come come down next week for the 500 show and promote on here for some more cars next week...
by the way thanks for all your efforts...
great show last nite .
car counts are really picking up.
wreckers,inspectors,staff all get an a+ rating

[lightning2597]

hey zero
on a serious note
why don't you send someone around at the knob tonite with something to try and get the street stock fellers to come come down next week for the 500 show and promote on here for some more cars next week...
by the way thanks for all your efforts...
great show last nite .
car counts are really picking up.
wreckers,inspectors,staff all get an a+ rating

WELL...... there are alot of STREET STOCKERS from the Knob that would love to come to Elkins next week....... problem is, rules are different. Most Knob guys have their frames slighty modified by the front tires for tire clearance....... and Elkins does not alow that! SOOOOO....... until all tracks in the area get on board with the same set of rules, you are going to be stuck with the same old group of cars at each track....... NO MATTER WHAT THE RACE PAYS!!!!!!! (SUCKS!)

[randy bohan]

Most Knob guys have their frames slighty modified by the front tires for tire clearance.....

please clarify and secondly why the hell would that matter..
you think that modifing the frame for tire clearance is the ISSUE?
WAKE UP AND GET THE FACTS STRAIGHT before responding as such...rules state stock frame with stock mounting locations on all suspension parts with the exception of
the shocks.the frame can be fabed from the center of the rear housing and back ONLY.....
THAT RULES OUT CHASSIS CARS,JIG CARS OR WHATEVER YOU WISH TO REFER TO THEM AS
NOW LET'S GET BACK TO PROMOTING A HELLAVA STREET SHOW FOR NEXT WEEK.
I'LL DONATE 50 BUCKS TO THE 500
ANY OTHER TAKERS??

[Zero]

No sarrr kasm here Randy ole pal.....just glad to oblige......

[lightning2597]

Junkyard cars at the Knob even have their frames altered for tire clearance...... BUDDY! They cut the Bump off of the frame behind the front tires and then plate it so that they can get more counter steer and such!!!!!! It is something that just kind of caught on and everyone is doing it! I GUESS THIS TRICK HAS NOT MADE IT TO ELKINS YET........ MAYBE THAT IS WHY EVERYTIME A KNOB CAR SHOWS UP THERE AND BROOMS THE FIELD...... THEY EITHER GET DISQUALIFIED OR A NEW RULE IS CREATED SO THAT THEY CAN NEVER COME BACK! (OR)...... MAYBE, THE KNOB CHARGERS (pure stocks) SHOULD JUST COME. Considering...... all the more competition that is in the Street Stocks at ELKINS....... I think they would do just fine!


OH............. and if you don't like this truth that is being spoke, why don't you bring your car to the KNOB! (They let you race there!)

[let-r-eat]

I started to post about the rules Elkins has posted, they are not the "best" rules I've seen but you can get the feel for what they're trying to accomplish. "Don't come with UMP's with fenders installed?". Everyone in racing likes to take guns to knife fights. Alot of the "Street Stocks" that are out there racing came from "Pure Street" and are racing basically the same car with "e-mod" tires. By the rules on the website I really can't see much difference other than the tires?

[randy bohan]

Junkyard cars at the Knob even have their frames altered for tire clearance...... BUDDY! They cut the Bump off of the frame behind the front tires and then plate it so that they can get more counter steer and such!!!!!! It is something that just kind of caught on and everyone is doing it! I GUESS THIS TRICK HAS NOT MADE IT TO ELKINS YET........ MAYBE THAT IS WHY EVERYTIME A KNOB CAR SHOWS UP THERE AND BROOMS THE FIELD...... THEY EITHER GET DISQUALIFIED OR A NEW RULE IS CREATED SO THAT THEY CAN NEVER COME BACK! (OR)...... MAYBE, THE KNOB CHARGERS (pure stocks) SHOULD JUST COME. Considering...... all the more competition that is in the Street Stocks at ELKINS....... I think they would do just fine!



OH............. and if you don't like this truth that is being spoke, why don't you bring your car to the KNOB! (They let you race there!)if youin's are counter steering that much maybe youin's have missed the set up a bit.....if thats a trick ,maybe i should spend a couple grand so i can i can trick my ride to be that fast..i never said these fellas ain't fast. i just said "READ THE RULES AND BRING A CAR THAT MATCHES THAT RULE PACKAGE"...simple ... no new rules......
as for bringing my car to the knob...
why bring a legal car there to race against chassis car that are considerably faster?
why race for 5th place and consider that a win
read the rules and then tell everyone on this public forum the facts and save the bs for folks who know no better

[randy bohan]

hey let -er -eat there's quite a bit of difference actually.
300 lb's less weight,direct couplers instead of flywheels and clutches,racing trans just like lates,and unlimited engines.. the only restriction being steel heads and block and no alcohol
i still run a q-jet carb ,stock intake,10.5 clutch and a saginaw 3 speed
I started to post about the rules Elkins has posted, they are not the "best" rules I've seen but you can get the feel for what they're trying to accomplish. "Don't come with UMP's with fenders installed?". Everyone in racing likes to take guns to knife fights. Alot of the "Street Stocks" that are out there racing came from "Pure Street" and are racing basically the same car with "e-mod" tires. By the rules on the website I really can't see much difference other than the tires?

[th3Swami]

i think going to the knob tonight would be a waste. mainly because there wont be any racecars there.

[st80]

As Per Roaring Knob: B. FRAMES - No fabricated frames, must be full factory or unibody. Full factory must be intact and not rusted out. You may plate
repair a rusted out spot only, nothing more. If a unibodied frame is used it must be tied together with a 2" by 3" frame box, minimum
.120 wall thickness, between existing front frame section and existing rear frame section

D. SUSPENSION - Must be stock OEM and in stock location, tubular aftermarket steel upper control arms may be used but must be
in stock location. Shocks and springs must be stock OEM type and in stock location. NO after market cross members or control
arms permitted. No panhard bars or additional bars or links may be added with the exception of the bar notation in rear end rule
below

Rules per Elkins Raceway:

13. FRAME
101” minimum wheelbase. Complete stock production frame required to center of rear axle. Frame rails may not be modified. Cross
member may be modified for clearance only. Tubing frame replacement permitted behind center of rear axle. All frame tubing should
be constructed of minimum 2” wide x 3” high square steel tubing, with .120” minimum material thickness. No holes may be cut in
frame. All other chassis tubing should be 1 ½” to 1 ¾” outside diameter and minimum .083” thickness.
Unibody frames must have full snout and rear subframe to center of rear axle and should be connected by minimum 2” wide x 3” high
steel rectangular tubing connector rails with .120” minimum wall thickness. Unibody connector rails must be connected to the back of
the front snout and the front of the rear subframe. No holes may be cut in frame or connectors. Unibody frame may be shortened in
the tub area, but complete front subframe and rear subframe to center of rear axle must remain stock.
Car should have horizontal safety bar constructed from same steel tubing as frame, mounted behind fuel cell and securely welded to
frame. Rear bumper should be at least 4” behind fuel cell. Center of rear bumper and safety bar should be at rear deck center height,
approximately 19” from the ground and should be at least as wide as frame. Tubing should also extend downward to form a horizontal
bar at the bottom height of the fuel cell, with additional vertical and diagonal tubing bracing the lower tubing to the rear bumper and the
safety bar. Lower tubing should be at least as wide as fuel cell. No part of the fuel cell should be below the protective tubing. Any
bumper that extends more than 8” from the rear of frame should be rounded and directed toward the front of car. Loop-style rear
bumpers—OK. Bumper should not have any sharp edges. No external rub rails. All frame tubing should be constructed of minimum
2” wide x 3” high square steel tubing, with .120” minimum material thickness. No holes may be cut in frame. All other chassis tubing
should be 1 ½” to 1 ¾” outside diameter and minimum .083” thickness

Seems like cars that are being dq'd at Elkins should be dq'd at Roaring Knob!! READ THE RULES

I KNOW SOME OF YOU ARE STILL NOT GOING TO UNDERSTAND!!! ITS IN BLACK AND WHITE BOYS!!

[let-r-eat]

I was talking about the cars there racing Randy. The cars there racing mostly conform to the old hobby rules without the tires. They just changed tires so they could run. A rulebook coming out 3 weeks after the season starts is pretty subjective. The rules would allow for ALOT more creativity but the stock appearing and OEM wording is really finicky. As you well know, there is no "Real" link in those rules to even brand or OEM? A friend of mine asked if he could run a Mustang *old 4 cylinder car* with a Chevy engine in it and was told NO but the rules don't SAY NO? It speaks of OEM and "Stock Appearing" but doesn't specifically say Ford to Ford or Chevy to Chevy....Nova to Nova Chevelle to Chevelle........matching the frame used. It just says steel block and heads.........It would also help if the body diagram was actually a "STOCK APPEARING" car?

I'm a real stickler when it comes to rules anyway. I don't want someone to build a car "by the rules" with all the time and $ involved and then be told "OH, you can't run that just because its fast? My buddy just wanted to use a cheap junkyard engine he had and but in a car he had to be able to race.....No harm no foul though because the car is still setting in the WEEDS.........

I just like to race and really don't care what anyone else does to a certain extent. Like the 36 Street Stock..he's fast, outclasses the field when he shows, nearly outruns those jigbuilt "cheater" cars with stock appearace. I agree that the street stock field at the moment is not "stellar fast" for the rules available by any stretch of the imagination, but is real competitive for what it is. You could build a RHS headed 14*, Iron eagle tall deck/spread pan rail killer DRYSUMP engine with a Bert tranny ect by those rules. Is Johnny's little 355 with "Saturday Night Special" cam gonna compete? No...So why should Johnny expect to compete? He knows the rules allow more? Why should he raise hell cause he's getting outrun by money? Because that's LIFE!!!! I always like the "taking less and doing more" approach. But also to race one needs "Racing Equipment" Those stock rods, cranks, and pistons are only going to do so much and can lead to a far worse $$$$$$ situation. Let people build good stuff and be creative.

You have a nice car too Randy and it works well, and that it is MAIN thing. But I'm sure you have enough $ in it that it should run good. Quadrajets can be made to run too!! LOL....for the right $$$ anything can be worked up. A good consistent car that uses any engine at all will be there somewhere with a good driver. 5% of the racers will win 85% of all races no matter what the rules.

I just hate to see cars turned away. I would rather see tech "handicap" them someway, ie add weight or something so they can run. A racetrack is for racing not for sending racecars somewhere else......JMO.........I could talk about this subject for days. I just don't like to see rules being used inappropriately by the "TRACK" or by the "RACER." Rules should be just basic guidelines IMO.....then the track uses its discretion to police the competition. Fans don't like to see 15,000 and up powerplants against $50 junkyard stuff.

Look at the $ it takes to even build a decent anything engine in machine work alone? The winners circle isn't worth arguing and fighting about if you've got a mint in your equipment and you just beat Johnny with his $50 junk.

My buddy "OK" car just blew up his $50 junk motor couple weeks ago. Just out there having fun. If you know you can't compete don't complain!!!

[st80]

FYI= Rules have and had been in place before the season started. Posted on Elkinsraceway.net not too hard to find!!

Def. of rule=principle governing conduct: an authoritative principle set forth to guide behavior or action

If your going to stretch the rules why even have them??? Rules are made to keep the playing field as even as possible. The guy that races Elkins every week legal would and should be mad as He!! when his $500 race is won by a cheater car, that just come to Elkins for the big races. I would be proud as hell to win with a Modified in the Street stock class, are you kidding me? And as a fan, I dont want to watch someone win by over half a track or lapping the entire field! BORING.............zzzzzzz
I could see if the infractions were minor and do not affect the handling of the car and were safety related. But these are not the case in any of the dq'd cars over the past few weeks.
And I know for a fact that at least one modified was given the chance to race the car the way it was for the nights events but was asked to make changes before the next race...... But left anyway..........

You would want to race against a chassis car? Handicapped? Lets just let a sprint car run with the latemodels too!! AMAZING

If you cant play by the rules, dont play.

[let-r-eat]

The rules were posted before the season? I beg to differ there. It stated 2010 rules. Then after the first $500 to win race they posted the rules as stated today........We are not talking about racing a sprint car against a late model..........We are talking about racing cars that were allowed to race in the class and have raced this season as well as past seasons. Example:

Last year your car was running street stock class...Car was just a stock type Monte Carlo with a cage..Not cut out, junk yeard shocks/springs ect....you ran good on local nights but when the special races came you were out to lunch...say that 99 car or 03 car from Ohio ect.....They came here raced and won and dominated the races. So local guy wants to build something that will compete. So he goes to work in his garage and works his ass off stripping frame modifying everything to be like 99 or 03 and spends $$ to compete. Comes out this season and starts season then track uses the new rules they posted to bar him from competing. That is the point I'm trying to make. There is NO guarantee that the track is going to DQ anyone from running anything? Anyone who has raced Elkins or anywhere for that matter for any length of time knows this........

For what its worth. The 99 and 03 and other cars that came to Elkins to race are not jig built cars......Really, they have done some homework on street stocks and built cars that there track allows them to run........The KNOB rules were just posted.????? DA

[randy bohan]

well well
now we have generated some interest
do we have any takers to add to the $550 purse?
can we get some LEGAL cars to make the tow for for a north south shootout?
we are probably outgunned ,but it would still be fun to have 5 or 6 show from up north and get this purse up to 700 or 800
st 80 you are armed with facts....you will not get any response to facts
let-r -eat, those motors aren't any good without suspension enhancements and tire packages.
this class is about gettin a somewhat stock suspension and 8" tire to work in unison.
a 350 hp motor will run with a 450 hp motor if the cars are the same suspension wise and have a balanced set up

[Black Flag]

No story to go with reslts???

[let-r-eat]

So your saying with stock suspension and tire rule that a car with 350hp and a car with 700hp are going to be competitive with each other? NO WAY>>>>>>>>

[lightning2597]

I didn't intend to start an arguement on here......... just saying it would be nice for all local area tracks to get on the same page with the same set of rules! (so guys have options to race around a little) IT SEEMS LIKE TRACKS LIKE TO MAKE THEIR RULES FOR THIS CLASS UNIQUE SO THAT THEY CAN DICTATE WHERE GUYS CAN RACE...... BUILD A CAR FOR THIS TRACK....... YOU CAN ONLY RUN HERE!!!!!! ..bs)

As for the chassis cars/emods with fenders......... you are talking/thinking about Tyler County cars .........not Roaring Knob!

I understand some guys don't have the $$$$$ and time to build motors and cars that can compete with some of these cars in question! BUT, don't punish these guys for doing so! (THAT IS WHY THERE IS A PURE STOCK CLASS)

As for lower budget cars running with bigger budget cars / less horse power with more horse power / etc....... NOT TRUE!
Example:
LATEMODEL CLASS........ A guy who is running an old LEAF SPRING CHASSIS........ can not compete with a guy running a BAR CAR! HECK...... it is hard enough to compete with a guy running a 2011 CHASSIS, if you have a CHASSIS 3 or 4 years old! BUT, these guys don't complain or want to disqualify a guy because her has a better car..... they just suck it up and race......save up some money and try to upgrade next year to be more competitive.......(OR)...... run in a lower level LATEMODEL class with less competition!
(I know the Latemodels have nothing to do with Street Stocks....... but you can see my point!)

[randy bohan]

i give...how about puttin up 50 bucks or try to find as sponsor for 50......if i could win an additional couple extra $$$$ i could afford 700 ponies lol...like a famous welfare recipient once said
"IF THE STATE WOULD PAY ME MORE ,I COULD AFFORD TO LIVE BETTER"
So your saying with stock suspension and tire rule that a car with 350hp and a car with 700hp are going to be competitive with each other? NO WAY>>>>>>>>

[let-r-eat]

No arguments here. Just conversation.............Have a beer and set around the campfire type talk. Just agreeing to be disagreeable or disagreeing to be agreeable. lol

Rules talk about Elkins........What, are we losing our minds? Is it really real?:confused::confused::confused:

[randy bohan]

unbelievable it is .......rules...following them...checking safety items,it goes on and on and on....this is why you see car counts increasing each week....even got the fans weighing in ... hope to have 20 this week ...spread the word on here and ovdtr.com
No arguments here. Just conversation.............Have a beer and set around the campfire type talk. Just agreeing to be disagreeable or disagreeing to be agreeable. lol

Rules talk about Elkins........What, are we losing our minds? Is it really real?:confused::confused::confused:

[randy bohan]

i didn't intend to start an arguement on here......... Just saying it would be nice for all local area tracks to get on the same page with the same set of rules! (so guys have options to race around a little) it seems like tracks like to make their rules for this class unique so that they can dictate where guys can race...... Build a car for this track....... You can only run here!!!!!! ..bs)

as for the chassis cars/emods with fenders......... You are talking/thinking about tyler county cars .........not roaring knob!

I understand some guys don't have the $$$$$ and time to build motors and cars that can compete with some of these cars in question! But, don't punish these guys for doing so! (that is why there is a pure stock class)

as for lower budget cars running with bigger budget cars / less horse power with more horse power / etc....... Not true!
Example:
Latemodel class........ A guy who is running an old leaf spring chassis........ Can not compete with a guy running a bar car! Heck...... It is hard enough to compete with a guy running a 2011 chassis, if you have a chassis 3 or 4 years old! But, these guys don't complain or want to disqualify a guy because her has a better car..... They just suck it up and race......save up some money and try to upgrade next year to be more competitive.......(or)...... Run in a lower level latemodel class with less competition!

(i know the latemodels have nothing to do with street stocks....... but you can see my point!)

no.................