Ump stock car horsepower?

[sa92287]

I recently purchased a stock car that was previously raced at crown point speedway before it closed. The car was ran in the pure street class, and has a 400 sbc. Id like to run it at shady hill next season but i'm unsure wether to swap engines to run pure street or if the 375 hp that the 400 currently makes is enough to run with the ump stock cars. The track rule states that I cannot run the 400 in pure streets so my options would have to be to bump up a class, which would be the ump stock cars or run a different engine. Im new to dirt track racing and would like to get some opinions on how my car would fare with in the higher class.

[rcstreet1]

sounds like a better pure stock motor

[kgip2k]

I know a guy running a crate motor in a UMP Street stock and finishing in the top 5... I would give that 400 a go.

[sa92287]

Rcstreet, I think it would make a good pure stock motor myself, but they wont let a 400 run pure stocks at shady hill. Thanks for the input. Maybe ill have to give it a go in the higher class.

[stillfast]

If you need to use a 350 block. Go with a 3 7/8 stroke for 390 ci. On a 4412 it will make 450hp and good torque.

[rcstreet1]

is there a ci limit or you just cant run 400 blocks. if you can run 400 you could make 377, thats what i would do

[sa92287]

The rule say no chevrolet 400's, so id assume its the block, not ci. The car is setup to run pure street so after some thought i'd probably be better off sticking to that class. Anyone know of any good places to find a good pure street long block? I've built a couple street engines but never anything set up for this type of racing.

[3dracer]

I would think that 375 hp is sufficient for the SS class. We don't have that much. i have the dyno sheet to prove it. You don't need it.

[sa92287]

I always assumed that you guys ran higher horsepower than that. Like I said, im new to the dirt track so chassis setup and engine specs are all new to me. I have all winter to get the car ready, an dwould like to run with the engine I have. Anyone have any good build tips/part ideas for my engine and chassis?

[jnkrb58]

We had championship in the bag last year until we got f****d running stock crank, stock rod 355

[connor]

375 aint even close to enough if you want to run up front.Where do they check to tell if its a 400. I seen a guy mill out casting number in back of engine.Then replaced numbers from 350 block little nickel weld and paint they never knew the difference.

[sa92287]

You could swap casting numbers, but its still an externally balanced engine. I think a good tech would spot it quick. My car is a metric monte carlo with a powerglide and a ford 9in. The track rules also state that I cant run the powerglide in pure stocks so the more I think about it the higher class would be better. The way I see it, why should I spend money to make my car slower. I'd like to put my money into making it a competitive ump stock car. Any help on engine and chasis setup would be great. Thanks for all your input thus far.

[connor]

You just tell them 383 400 crank in 350 block ext balanced.

[rcstreet1]

heres something most ppl dont no. not all 400s are externally balanced. it has to do with the bob weight. i run a 406 internally balanced..

[3dracer]

375 aint even close to enough if you want to run up front.

?? 9-1st, and 6-2nd so far this year with less than 375. Will send a pic of dyno sheet if I need to! You don't need it.

[rcstreet1]

also one thing to consider is how big of a track your gunna run on and what the tracks gunna be like on a weekly basics. if its gunna be slick will help you out alot

[sa92287]

If you dont mind me asking, what engine/trans do you run? What are your hp/torque numbers? Thanks

[sa92287]

Ill be running on 3/8 mi. semi-banked oval.

[kgip2k]

If you are just starting out, you definately do not need a big engine... We won a track championship at Charleston with a 400 bored .060 with flat top KB pistons and an Elgin 1090 cam... Nothing special, and never paid more than $20 for a tire... Plain and simple, its not all about HP, its about track and driving. If your track is dryslick that HP ain't gonna help you much. Get some seat time with the motor and go from there... 3d knows what he is talkin about when it comes to not needing a bunch of motor. Watch his vids, its all driver. I don't think we won more than maybe 1 or 2 heat races, won a bunch of features with that motor... It died 17 weeks, but anywhere we went a top 5 motor... Put in a borrowed even smaller motor and went out and won. We finished 26th national, and 9th state points, in UMP

[Mr. Never Was]

I would think that 375 hp is sufficient for the SS class. We don't have that much. i have the dyno sheet to prove it. You don't need it.

Like this guy. Not horsepower but chassis.

Get the set-up right.

[connor]

3dracer i dont know where you race but in central il 375 wont cut it.

[3dracer]

Charleston, Fayette Co., Lincoln, Macon. I think that is all for the last 2 years. 342 hp at 5900 rpm. I took a pic of the dyno sheet with my phone. Worst finish i got was at Lincoln,5th. But that was set up then and definatley not motor.

[craigerdesigns]

Shadyhill speedway rules are very limited on what at pure street is. no weight jacks, no tubular upper a arms, no skinning of bodies except doors and hood and trunk. DOT street tires. Depending on the car you have it might be easier to run Stock Car than to convert to pure street. Pure street needs bone stock motor. no strokers, no aftermarket intakes, no powerglides, no 9 inch's (rumors that they are considering adding that next year) Stock hydraulic cam, vacuum and lift checked (I know they used to anyway)

If you do not have weight jacks or tubular upper a-s or a skinned body it would not be very expensive to set up car for pure stock class. Get some seat time and change car over for ump stock car next winter.
Pm me if you have any questions.

[connor]

Come up to fairbury see what you do with 340 some.Better yet kankakee has big race in few weeks come on up.Some of the best cars in the midwest every week just saying.

[3dracer]

I believe he stated he was at Shady Hill. I have seen videos of that place. He doesn't need it.