3rd link

[floppyfoot]

What is usually a good angle to start with on the 3rd. link bar? Right now it is at about 14 degrees down to the body. The trailing arms are level and the panhard bar is level. I see some with the 3rd link really down and others just barely down to the body. Also some have the panhard bar way high on the left and really low on the frame. Bar has to run to the frame on the right and be behind the rear end with a min. of 28" length.

[floppyfoot]

Here is what we have right now. Springs; RF-1000: LF-1100: RR-200: LR-250: Weights; left 55%: rear 54.5%: cross 51%; Bite-214#; Have a push in and car is not rolling over on the RF like it should. Should I maybe go to a 900 or a 850 on the RF and maybe a 1000 on the LF? Ran a 900 RF and a 800 LF with the 4 link, should I maybe go back to this?????

[dirt2]

Check your PM.

dirt2

[floppyfoot]

Made this change just to try a little different setup. Took the 1000 spring from the RF and put it in the LF. Put a 900 in the right front. Raised the fron of the car about an inch. The rear is about 1 to 1 1/2" higher than the front. The left side of the car just will not come up higher than the right side without putting way too much cross in the car. Ended up with 55.7% left, 50.4% cross, 52.5% rear with 216# bite. Had a flat and did not have the correct sixe tire ready and ended up with 5" stagger in rear. Car ran good and driver said it felt goo but it is not rotating very well in the middle of the corner. Just wondering if the stagger is the reason. Also thinking of raising the left lower trailing arm another hole, about 1". Any thoughts.

[speedbuggy]

What size track? First thing I would do is get the correct stagger in it, then see what it's doing. If it's coming off the corner good, I would lower the right side a hole or two instead of the left.

[floppyfoot]

Swapped the raar springs, 200 LR and 250 RR, went to 4 " stagger, raised LR trailing arm 1 hole, rescaled car. Car finished 4th and was running with the leaders which had pulled away from the rest of the cars. The top 4 just drove away and he was right there with them.

[floppyfoot]

Last race of this season. My son started outside pole with his son on the pole. My son took the lead right away. Was passed for 1 lap by another car that broke right away. My son led 24 of 25 laps for his first win in this class, been 10 years since we raced in any class. It has been a learning season. Engine turning 7600 now and is still very strong. Thanks to all that has helped. Special thanks to my friend setup479point2 with the private messages that we have had.

[setup479point2]

Thank you for listening , and doing what I suggested . Note to others on here asking advice , we need as much info as possible , these guys gave me everything I asked for , results showed on the track.

[floppyfoot]

Had the rpm's wrong, it was 7800, usually 6800-7000.

[RaceMentally]

So what's the final set up? Congrats btw!!!

[floppyfoot]

I do not have the setup sheets here. The next time I am where they are, I can post them. I do remember this part.Springs: RF-900; LF- 1000; RR-250; LR-200. The reason theengine turned 7800, he did aburnout on his victory lap. He was notthe fastest car in the race but he had the line everybosy else wanted and they could not catch him off the turns.

[floppyfoot]

total weight with driver: 3284#: has to be at least 3275 after race. Glad it did not use much more gas for the race.ride heights: LF-5 3/4: RF-7 1/4: LR-63/4: RR-8 3/4. If I get the ride height where I want it, there is way to much cross.% weight: left side-55.2%: rear-53.6%: cross-51.2%.bite-214#tire pressures: RF-14#: LF-8#: LR-7#: RR-12#.tire sizes: LF-88 1/4": RF-90": LR-88": RR-92".stagger: front-1 3/4": rear-4".Would like to be able to drive a little deeper into the turns but if do that, there is some push until back on gas. Any less than 4" rear stagger, there is a push going in. Others get into the turns a little better but he pulls about 4 car lengths coming off the turns.

[RaceMentally]

total weight with driver: 3284#: has to be at least 3275 after race. Glad it did not use much more gas for the race.ride heights: LF-5 3/4: RF-7 1/4: LR-63/4: RR-8 3/4. If I get the ride height where I want it, there is way to much cross.% weight: left side-55.2%: rear-53.6%: cross-51.2%.bite-214#tire pressures: RF-14#: LF-8#: LR-7#: RR-12#.tire sizes: LF-88 1/4": RF-90": LR-88": RR-92".stagger: front-1 3/4": rear-4".Would like to be able to drive a little deeper into the turns but if do that, there is some push until back on gas. Any less than 4" rear stagger, there is a push going in. Others get into the turns a little better but he pulls about 4 car lengths coming off the turns.This car is either very tight at beginning of race and gets better or it's decent at beginning and get looser. I think with what you said so far it is too right though. Only reason it frees up is the growth of your rr freeing up the car all around. Must be a 3/8 track and smaller as well. Am I right?

[floppyfoot]

The track is 3/8 mile with long turns. The car does not change very much at all, it is only tight going in when he drives it into the turns a little deeper. He likes driving deep into the turns but cannot. He can get back on the gas quicker than most of the other cars and that helps him pull them off the turns plus running a little lower gear than most. I understand most are running either a 6:20 or a 6:33, we have a 6:50. Car has a 3 wheel brake setup in it but we are not allowed to use that, that would help it to turn. He told me that if he drives a little deeper into the turn, when he hits the gas, he can feel the car bite and go but would like to get ride of that slight push can dominate the class.

[StreetStock57H]

We cant run a 3 wheel setup on car either so what i did was get the hawk black brake pads for both rears and the lf and just put a cheap parts store one on the rf and it will help the lf grab alot better then the rf does. My power steering belt came off one night and i hit the brakes and it yanked the wheel out of my hand hard left if i wasnt careful

[RaceMentally]

The track is 3/8 mile with long turns. The car does not change very much at all, it is only tight going in when he drives it into the turns a little deeper. He likes driving deep into the turns but cannot. He can get back on the gas quicker than most of the other cars and that helps him pull them off the turns plus running a little lower gear than most. I understand most are running either a 6:20 or a 6:33, we have a 6:50. Car has a 3 wheel brake setup in it but we are not allowed to use that, that would help it to turn. He told me that if he drives a little deeper into the turn, when he hits the gas, he can feel the car bite and go but would like to get ride of that slight push can dominate the class. Like I suspected a tight car. This makes for inconsistent times and a guessing game on what the car will do. Free the car up some and give the driver more confidence. There is nothing worse than a driver with doubt or lack of confidence in their equipment.