Roll over on right rear

[hockey3266]

What could cause a car not to stay on the right rear when your in the throttle in the cornors? When i get in the cornors the car rolls over but when i get back into the gas it jacks the lr and rr up as well what can i do to keep the rr down so the car will create roll steer?

[speedbuggy]

take angle out of the upper RR bar

[clbaker25x]

Most chassis builders run a chain on the right side to keep the car from jacking there.

[hockey3266]

speedbuggy.....I Only have 18* in the upper rr bar which isnt alot?

[powerslide]

Are you on pullbar or liftarm?

[hockey3266]

pullbar and powerslide i sent you a pm to call me and this is about a differnt car we have

[powerslide]

Get off work in 30 will give you a call then.

[thinkstomuch]

Maybe take some index out of right rear bird cage?? not sure if this would work for all applications

[LFMotorsports]

Just a thought but what rebound do you have in the shock? If you have a low amount of rebound, it will not hold the weight over on the RR. Might double check that the shock doesn't have a "dead spot" and needs rebuilt if possible.

Something to think about.

[sideways]

Check rebound in RR shock. How stiff RR spring are you running?

[hockey3266]

200 rr spring 4-5 base vavle shock

[speedbuggy]

What could cause a car not to stay on the right rear when your in the throttle in the cornors? When i get in the cornors the car rolls over but when i get back into the gas it jacks the lr and rr up as well what can i do to keep the rr down so the car will create roll steer?

If all you're really after is roll steer, why don't you put more angle in your RR lower bar?

Have you tried anyone's suggestions yet? Just wondering if anything helped or hurt.

[hockey3266]

My car already has all the things they mentioned have the rr cage indexed at 0 rr upper bar angle is at 18* and you dont really want to go under that. and my shock isnt dead..... roll steer isnt really what im after because if i fix the problem the car will create roll steer....When i pick up the throtle in the corner the rr picks up like the left rear instead up digging creating side bite and roll steer...Since the rr is jacking up im losing roll steer...thought about chaning down the rr but really didnt want to have to do that!!!!!

[7uptruckracer]

Z Link Is sometimes used depending on your arrangement to effect this or more RR rebound

[powerslide]

Is the pullbar centered inbetween the tires or closer to the RR? I would try moving it towards the LR either way see if it helps. Phillips used to have a late model that always picked up on the RR, watched him out run us alot w/ that RR up in the air.

[oldtrackchamp4x]

Why are you worried about chaining the lr? A lot of fast guys are doing just that.Just adjust chain until you find what works on your car, 1.5- 3 inches. Works for me. JMO.

[7uptruckracer]

Does your shock have a schrader valve? Check your gas pressure if so. You could also be to soft on your pull bar whats your angle on that? 90/10 on it?

[Dirtrunner35]

My car already has all the things they mentioned have the rr cage indexed at 0 rr upper bar angle is at 18* and you dont really want to go under that. and my shock isnt dead..... roll steer isnt really what im after because if i fix the problem the car will create roll steer....When i pick up the throtle in the corner the rr picks up like the left rear instead up digging creating side bite and roll steer...Since the rr is jacking up im losing roll steer...thought about chaning down the rr but really didnt want to have to do that!!!!!

So you are wanting more side bite because ???

[let-r-eat]

I think he wants more roll steer and he isn't getting it because the RR is jacking up with the left rear. Could be a million things wrong.

[hockey3266]

^^^^^^ LOL everyone is anaylizing this wrong i want the car to stay on the right rear!!!! which will create more roll steer and side bite.... i know how to get more side bite and roll steer i want to know how to keep the rr planted when its in the corner....and yes i have a schrader vaulve but its a base vaulve shock i only run 20-30psi

[hockey3266]

here is a link to what my car looks like in the corner https://www.facebook.com/?ref=tn_tnmn#!/photo.php?fbid=695647873802309&set=a.695642763802820.1073741952.255223417844759&type=3&theater

[7uptruckracer]

I'll be at Clarys this weekend. Have you talked to Brett about the car isnt it a Hamilton? More rebound in the RR will keep it down. Your lower on gas pressure then I would have guessed. You can run less compression and more rebound will free entry and tighten exit. What are you clamped in front on spring on top?

[Dirtrunner35]

^^^^^^ LOL everyone is anaylizing this wrong i want the car to stay on the right rear!!!! which will create more roll steer and side bite.... i know how to get more side bite and roll steer i want to know how to keep the rr planted when its in the corner....and yes i have a schrader vaulve but its a base vaulve shock i only run 20-30psi

put it on z link on the right then

[hockey3266]

This isnt a true hamilton we changed the rear suspension and also all the hamilton cars do it lol thats y im on here.

[hockey3266]

and no we arent clamped we are on the birdcage spring beind lr and spring in front on right side

[7uptruckracer]

I don't know if Ive seen you run Clarys before I've been trying to help a few out there but pretty much stopped now for various reasons. I just went through the 17L the other week and changed him to a 4bar Jbar. If your hiking the RR to much it means you have a lot of thrust angle or you need more control over what might limit your hike like rebound or compression. Some suggested the RR chain its not a bad idea we run it on the LM to help in the slick but Clarys doesn't really get slick it keeps the car from hiking the RR so your not gaining bar angle which results in less thrust angle and less drive so a tighter car. If you have a 3-5 or a 4-6 shock maybe try that. Check all your Pull bar preload and your springs in it It could be hiking the whole rear but your just noticing it as a RR problem because they left normally hikes. What is your RR spring?

[hockey3266]

200 RR spring and the pullbar angle and preload is all correct ive talked to many people they said try channing down the car on the rr....Yes i will be losing some drive but they also said by channing it down i will entire the corner better, which will result in a better exit....

[clbaker25x]

Everyone is giving you the chain answer. Is there a reason you don't want to chain down your right side? Chain is cheap. :) If you don't like or it causes another problem you can always take it off.

[hockey3266]

I did plan on channing it but most cars dont need the chain so i was trying to figure out what would be causing the hike up on the rr? That was the point of this thread.

[clbaker25x]

When I went through manufacturers row at Boone almost every car had the chain on the right side. I talked to John Saathoff about why he doesn't run one on his car. He said that he did have a problem with this at one time, but they move the birdcage out a little (towards the wheel) and that eliminated the hike on the right side. He didn't tell me why he thought the car was going up, but said that was how he got his car to not do it. Jet cars are on of the ones that don't normally run a chain on the right. Might give that a shot.

[7uptruckracer]

You will gain forward drive in a sense because the RR will have less drive so it will be tighter on exit. On the LM we set it to catch when the spring comes 1" off the collar I'm not sure the Modified procedure. Works the same way limiting RR upper bar angle.

[ChadJacks]

Your car, just like any other modified, is getting on the bars. Its normal for your RR to hike up just like your LR. Attached is a video of our modified, look at the RR spring. Does your car wash out coming out of the corners?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPItPoQi-vY

[7uptruckracer]

I'm sure hes up that high because Clarys has been a rut fest lately. It looks somewhat normal to me the only difference and maybe thats where it feels different to me is the guys on rails have it on to the RF more just gives it that different attitude. I'm not sure if a chain would even cause much difference here Clarys barely gets past tacky it blows off sometimes. A chain might make it way to tight.

[hockey3266]

yeah well since the car is going on the right rear its effecting me majorly on entre like i cant turn under throttle i have to get out and use the brake....its like this on every track not just clarys

[hockey3266]

car is not going on the right rear***

[7uptruckracer]

Hmmmmm hit me up on FB maybe we can find something there I sent you a thing earlier.

[oldtrackchamp4x]

Stock Car Driver, Thanks for pointing out my miss type.It should have said RR. Still JMO.