Pierce cars?

[BPRC MAN]

For those out there that run or have ran pierces which was the best year/chassis number cars.Just wondering because I hear a lot of talk about there 06 cars.Thanks

[ModMadMan66]

My 02 was fast and won races when it was 11 years old. Just purchased a brand new BPRC and the attention to detail is greater than ever! A lot of R&D from Bobby's car goes into the mods now and it shows.

[indyboywilliam]

All are good

[going4broke]

I have an 06 and it drives really well and takes few adjustments for when track changes.

[BPRC MAN]

That's good to hear.We had a 08 ns style with a square cell that never seemed to work right,my guess is that's why they went away with the narrowed short rear.Have a 06 now and hoping for better results.

[bob75]

you can buy 2015 car with 06 set up they still have the jigs for every car they build, so what im saying is you can get anything you want from them.

[dirttrack87]

That's good to hear.We had a 08 ns style with a square cell that never seemed to work right,my guess is that's why they went away with the narrowed short rear.Have a 06 now and hoping for better results.

We won 3 features with that car last year.

[B55racer]

They are the best Modified's out their.

[$UMP$]

they are the best modified's out their.

lol!!!!!!!!!

[DirtRacer9x]

Just curious as to why they utilize Metric clips while most other use Chevelle. I mean they can even answer that. I see Chevelle being used because its much easier and more cost effective to produce but why are pierce still metric? Educated answer would be great. Thanks 👍

[Canadian]

Well we still win with a 2005, had 3 wins with 2011 scorpion car, have wins every yr, so if you use what Bob says and do it right with good stuff you can win.
And let me know when anyone else's chassis wins 7 or 8 yrs straight UMP titles....and that is the answer to your educated answer my friend.
If it aint broke don't fix it .

[DirtRacer9x]

Thanks for the answers guys. I'm just wondering how the profit margin would be bigger on a metric since you can't get reman clip or lowers. Seems like Chevelle is the mass produced car. I also see a trend of more IMCA cars Chevelle and UMP having more metrics. Any reason why?

[CsR41]

Because no one really uses metric lowers. Most are on Nova lowers, which you can buy readily at any parts store.

[DirtRacer9x]

The cost of a new chevelle clip and the labor to fit and assemble it is near $1,000 where a cleaned metric clip can be had for $150-$300 depending on the market. So if you sell your chassis for the same cost regardless of the clip you have less time and money in the metric. Not saying this is why Pierce does it but just putting that out there as to why a car builder may go that route.That makes sense. Now why are there more Chevelle IMCA than UMP? Seems like more metric cars UMP...

[$UMP$]

Tubular stubs make more sense!

[Baddboy1]

lol!!!!!!!!!

So tell us Oh great racer what chassis do you have.? Show a picture of YOUR car not Lomax or anyone elses.Oh wait you can't because you don't race and never will.

[$UMP$]

So tell us Oh great racer what chassis do you have.? Show a picture of YOUR car not Lomax or anyone elses.Oh wait you can't because you don't race and never will.That's right I won't post one but no one is stopping you Bad Burger King boy!

[blueracer11]

So tell us Oh great racer what chassis do you have.? Show a picture of YOUR car not Lomax or anyone elses.Oh wait you can't because you don't race and never will.

Come on guys, QUIT WAFTING THE TURD!! I promise you, as long as you do it will still stink! All this guy races is his mouth. Let it go!

[Hoosier D 40]

Come on guys, QUIT WAFTING THE TURD!! I promise you, as long as you do it will still stink! All this guy races is his mouth. Let it go!
I really didn't see where $ ump $ started anything.

[buzzxxx666]

Bob and Angie are class acts with good tech to offer, you can certainly do worse than running one there mods.

[DirtRacer9x]

So again why do they use Meric Chassis for the mods? You'd think there would be an explanation to highlight their chassis. I'd really like to know why most imca use Chevelle and very few metric while there are many more metric in UMP land.

[race21j]

Metric frames are cheaper.You can run nova lowers. IMCA have always liked full size frames.

[DirtRacer9x]

So the only reason pierce does this is to have a bigger profit margin?

[bob75]

Go price there complete rollers to other chassis. LoT CHEAPER

[BPRC MAN]

^^^Very true on pricing,you can get two pierces for the same price as one LG21,grt,rocket by rulhman etc.

[DirtRacer9x]

So no answer as to why they use metrics except for the fact it's cheaper to produce? Hmmmmm not buying it. There has got to be more.

[Mosidebite]

He likes the geometry, the ability to use the lower control arms he wants and and the availability. It's the only things that matter.

[$UMP$]

You meant that he liked someone else's latest design!

[bob75]

Ump. Every chassis builder copied somebody's other car some were along the line, that's why there are so many out there or there called copy's,such as diamond used to work at pierce went on his own made a few changes,fevers and his late models. And etc

[Hoosier D 40]

Ump. Every chassis builder copied somebody's other car some were along the line, that's why there are so many out there or there called copy's,such as diamond used to work at pierce went on his own made a few changes,fevers and his late models. And etc

It don't make it right.

[nuff said]

Why wouldn't you want to make as much profit as possible as long as you still put out a quality product ? They are selling them cheaper than other builders are according to above posts.

[Viper91]

I'd say pierce kinda paved the way to today's mods JMO he didn't invent the wheel jus made it a lot better when he started out

[springer]

There good cars for ump you get them in the imca they go no where.

[DirtRacer9x]

There good cars for ump you get them in the imca they go no where.Exactly! But why?

[zeroracing]

Different tires and motors, mostly though the different tires.

[DirtRacer9x]

So a stickier tire on ump cars is beneficial to metric chassis? A hard tire is better on a Chevelle? Also what are pierce cars running for front ends now? Nova, metric spindle or nova and pinto spindle. What do they set bump steer at and do they have inside bump out more? I see most Chevelle guys buying the 2" or 2.5" spacers for both sides. We don't have our cars like this but curious as to what they run for bump and why? Also any pierce or metric chassis guys here that run IMCA that do well? Or is this strictly USRA and UMP where they use bumps? Trying to find why I see less in IMCA that are competitive.

[dirtmod21]

Truth is you can cheat up a metric chassis to better suit the front end geometry that the builders are after and ump doesn't care...Chevelle geometry is better as an oem configuration versus metric, that is why you see more chevelle frames in imca...

[DirtRacer9x]

So where are they cheated up? I know UMP we have aftermarket lowers but what else is being moved?

[Mosidebite]

I too wanna know where these cars are being cheated up. I have the same schematic drawing as you see with the Chevelle front end that has all the same measurements marked accordingly and have never found a discrepancy.

[JustAddDirt]

it is not in the frames, it is in the bolt on parts were the stuff is being cheated up.
2011-12 Pierce made a RF lower control arm based off a NOVA that was probably 2-3" longer than a Nova. He moved the RF spring bucket out a long way, and there was no weight jack bolt.
UMP has a rule that the weight jack can be 1" off of original centerline. Since there was no jackbolt, I guess there was no rule for that.

Pretty sure he does not built that deal anymore, unless he is putting a weight jack on it.
2012 UMP was checking a lot of lower A arms at bigger shows.
Not sure what he is doing now, just remember that deal.

[anissa5]

Would making it 2 to 3 inches put it past the 78 inches

[blueracer11]

Would making it 2 to 3 inches put it past the 78 inches

It very well may, but you have to tech to find it and UMP doesn't tech. That's what the poster above was talking about. You can "cheat them up" and UMP doesn't do anything about it. I know a particular chassis builder who was "skirting" the rules, and he had one of this cars show up at a show, the UMP tech guys were there, and they questioned his lower A-arms. He went back to his pit and put a "Pierce" sticker on his car and miraculously they passed it. Corruption has no place in racing, but unfortunately it does exist.

[$UMP$]

It very well may, but you have to tech to find it and UMP doesn't tech. That's what the poster above was talking about. You can "cheat them up" and UMP doesn't do anything about it. I know a particular chassis builder who was "skirting" the rules, and he had one of this cars show up at a show, the UMP tech guys were there, and they questioned his lower A-arms. He went back to his pit and put a "Pierce" sticker on his car and miraculously they passed it. Corruption has no place in racing, but unfortunately it does exist.
"Pierce sticker" B.S. made up story!

[HoosierDirtFan]

"Pierce sticker" B.S. made up story!

I doubt that. I've witness sh!t like this myself. You who hides behind a screen name and don't have the balls to sign your signature to any post. UMP is a joke and might as well be in bed with Hoosier Tire.