Has Lucas oil put the ban on FRIC ? And inerters?

[Brian Gray]

I'm hearing they have put in place a ban on certain types of dampeners but no one has made it clear.

If so I applaud them at being the first and hope everyone else gets a clue before this ruins our sport for good.

[davis2902]

From the mouth of Richie Lewis. YES! Siting cost as the major factor. The other being that Bloomquist had unfair advantage.

[mopar92]

Care to elaborate on these shocks ?

[Brian Gray]

In a nut shell . Inerters are dampers that control oscillation of the tire contact patch . And FRIC is front to rear left to right integration of the damper system.

This is a very expensive and tech intensive technology used in Indy car and f1 .

And believed to be the advantage bloomquist used at the world 100 in 2014.

This is a killer to our sport I hope this will be taken care of soon.

[Cast-Iron-Junkie]

In a nut shell . Inerters are dampers that control oscillation of the tire contact patch . And FRIC is front to rear left to right integration of the damper system.
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This is a very expensive and tech intensive technology used in Indy car and f1 .

And believed to be the advantage bloomquist used at the world 100 in 2014.

This is a killer to our sport I hope this will be taken care of soon.

Brian, "controls oscillation of the tire contact patch".....really?

Where's good ole' Huck Tyson when you need him?

[chupp n bloomer fan]

Brian, "controls oscillation of the tire contact patch".....really?

Where's good ole' Huck Tyson when you need him?Just wait Cast, it'll be like white on rice;).

[Cast-Iron-Junkie]

Lol @ ya C&B fan! Lol!

[davis2902]

In a nut shell . Inerters are dampers that control oscillation of the tire contact patch . And FRIC is front to rear left to right integration of the damper system.

This is a very expensive and tech intensive technology used in Indy car and f1 .

And believed to be the advantage bloomquist used at the world 100 in 2014.

This is a killer to our sport I hope this will be taken care of soon.

FRIC was banned by F1 in the middle of last season because of cost. On the other hand though, DLM thrived on innovation and experimental components through the 80's, 90's. At some point some leeway has to be given or the sport will be just like NASCRAP now, which is now no better than the disbanned IROC series.

[Brian Gray]

The inerters are a more interesting concept to me . After talking with the Indy team from Penske at PRI I got a serious education and reality check on the benefits of using them on a race car.

The late model side of Penske dodged every question I threw at them but the Indy people were very open about the subject.

Just imagine being able to control the surface of the tire mechanically ! This is a possibility with today's technolgy. But it would take every team having an engineer on hand to use it effectively !

[Brian Gray]

And believe me Penske wants to sell this to every racer out there. That's why they are being so quiet about it right now! They know it's too expensive and the series will outlaw it. As it should be .

It's the human element that makes racing competitive. When a mechanical system can rid the human element it needs to be taken out of the equation.

Systems like these will hurt the racing tremendously, think it's follow the leader now imagine what happens when the consistency increases 10 fold.

[Necrosis]

Except that they've been in drag racing for 10 years. Either way, ya'll conspiracy theorists make me laugh. Brian--Remember when you said you could tell how he cut his right rear tire at the World because of "the marks it left in the track"? Care to tell us what it was cut like?

[Brian Gray]

You could see a perfect imprint left behind every time that car went past . Every other car left a skewed tire mark .

After my conversation with Penske it hit me how accurate bloomquist was with his tire control. So A: he is 100 times better a driver than the next best guy in our sport or b: they have a technological advantage no other team out there is using.

As far as drag racing goes its dead! Have you been to a local event at a drag strip lately?

[Brian Gray]

And hell no I'm not gonna tell you what it looked like. Lol that's mine now.

[Brian Gray]

If it's a conspiracy fine there should be no one against making the rules to stop what "no one" is using then right?

Should be a no brainier to take the step to prevent this overly expensive technology from causing more harm to our car counts.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

Except that they've been in drag racing for 10 years. Either way, ya'll conspiracy theorists make me laugh. Brian--Remember when you said you could tell how he cut his right rear tire at the World because of "the marks it left in the track"? Care to tell us what it was cut like?
Inerters are in drag racing. And the costs I have heard are insane!

[ClampedUp]

And believe me Penske wants to sell this to every racer out there. That's why they are being so quiet about it right now! They know it's too expensive and the series will outlaw it. As it should be .

It's the human element that makes racing competitive. When a mechanical system can rid the human element it needs to be taken out of the equation.

Systems like these will hurt the racing tremendously, think it's follow the leader now imagine what happens when the consistency increases 10 fold.

Just like traction control was going to make everyone the greatest driver to hit the dirt track......

[Brian Gray]

Yes it has been outlawed by Lucas oil series. Now will ump make a ruling?

[Necrosis]

And hell no I'm not gonna tell you what it looked like. Lol that's mine now.Ok, you sure? Want to put your observation skills on the line with your credibility? I'll bet you $500. Donated to charity, of course. You a fan of the shriners? I am...

[Brian Gray]

All you had to do was stand next to the fence . You could take a pic of the tread pattern every lap. Prolly could have gotten a good read on the tire wear it was that perfect. But he doesn't do anything different to the blocks than the rest. I can tell you that.

I don't know what your point is but it don't matter now cause the FRIC has ended. And to me that's good news. I got the confirmation I needed. I know what's up. Now I know I don't have to work on creating it.

[davis2902]

All you had to do was stand next to the fence . You could take a pic of the tread pattern every lap. Prolly could have gotten a good read on the tire wear it was that perfect. But he doesn't do anything different to the blocks than the rest. I can tell you that.

I don't know what your point is but it don't matter now cause the FRIC has ended. And to me that's good news. I got the confirmation I needed. I know what's up. Now I know I don't have to work on creating it.

Well technically FRIC is only deemed illegal in its hydraulic form. A mechanical version could still be used.

[robbie35]

At 18000 a pair plus custom valving and usage modification fees I for one am glad to hear this. The basic principle seems simple enough its the actual application that gets expensive. That and the fact that Cambridge University owns the rights to the intellectual property.

[Brian Gray]

Actually penske owns the patents.

[davis2902]

yeah go ahead and do penske and mercedes etc had to with fluids but youare saying it can be done mechanically on late model I am waiting lol

http://www.formula1.com/news/features/2014/7/16087.html
Ferrari had a cable system in 1970! The point is that with proper knowledge a mechanical application can be achieved. If you want to break it down even further a sway bar is a form of a mechanical FRIC system. Scott learned that in the NASCAR truck race at Eldora. Also isn't it ironic that a item that he didn't want on his truck is basically a more rudimentary form of want he ran to dominate the 2014 World 100.

[Brian Gray]

Sway bar? Not the same actually the exact opposite of . FRIC can achieve the sway bar effects but its much more complex than that single aspect. Much more complex . I can see single influences through mechanical systems but nothing close to the abilities of the FRIC. Then you have the added weight to deal with.

There would be cables , levers and bars everywhere I hope people persue a mechanical version but I'm betting it won't come to pass.

[_keith_]

From the mouth of Richie Lewis. YES! Siting cost as the major factor. The other being that Bloomquist had unfair advantage. Bloomquist Racing Team is always an "unfair advantage" when they show up at a race track.....l0l.....l0l

[Necrosis]

The sky is dark, the thunder is rolling, and the showers are golden whence thou pisses upstream... Go thee to the sanitarium, with haste!

[chupp n bloomer fan]

why would a racer of his caliber cheat please answer the question anybody that cheats must have a inferiority complexThey all bend the rules, not sure how you can't grasp this fact. And when he ran them, they WERE NOT ILLEGAL. Your love for Bloomer and holding him to a standard as if he's God is just hilarious.

[_keith_]

They all bend the rules, not sure how you can't grasp this fact. And when he ran them, they WERE NOT ILLEGAL. Your love for Bloomer and holding him to a standard as if he's God is just hilarious. The don't really "bend" the rules.....l0l......It is called a Grey area.......

[chupp n bloomer fan]

you are suppose use to coil or leaf springs oops you missed that one fric doesn't use springsDidn't miss anything Liteman. If he had this supposed FRIC BS, why wasn't he DQued at Eldora? They black flagged him for a fukin fancy window net, which there wasn't any rule on. If he got away with this fancy system that's not on him, that's on the tech guys and the other drivers. It's the tech guys jobs to stop cheating etc, and drivers, if they feel they are being screwed, it's their job to speak up. The sh!t Bloomer does for the most part, there isn't a rule on it, when he does it. There's a rule after the fact usually. And unless you were under Bloomers car you know as much as me about what he had. Do I think he had something different, sure I do, was it against the rules at the time, nope.

[FlatTire]

I'll bet ole Smokey Yunick is grinning ear to ear. There never was a "rule" when Smokey did it, but there usually was afterwards.

Since the beginning of time, technical advantages(legal or not) have made good drivers great and great drivers dominant. Larry Phillips, Larry Moore, Rayburn, Shaw, were all highly innovative and dominated at one time because of their desire to come up with something no one else had. Bloomquist is no different. While little Billy Jr is tweeting about his fans eating cheeseburgers and how the track screwed him, Bloomer is in the shop thinking up his next advantage.

[bb14]

Tech guys didn't know to look for it last year. You can't see it either without taking apart shocks. There also wasn't a rule against it. No one was cheating. No one really knows 100% he had it but everyone thinks he did. The theory behind inerters works and does improve tire contact. However it takes a lot of enginneering and testing and $$$$ to make it work. Penske has the engineering and we all assume he ran it last year when it was legal.

Now when the teams assumed he had it and found the cost and what it would take to get it right they all started crying foul. I for one think that we do not need this stuff. Most of you cannot comprehend the advantage and more importantly the manpower and $$$$$ involved if we are allowed to proceed down this road. TMD's would be next and surely tried and so forth. I love this sport but it is time for the powers at be to sit down with the drivers and car builders and think about where we want to be in 5 and 10 years. Money doesn't grow on trees and money will be harder to find for what is considered a hobby. I don't like rules either but bodies, suspensions, and engine costs are out of hand.

[dirty-white-boy]

While little Billy Jr is tweeting about his fans eating cheeseburgers and how the track screwed him, Bloomer is in the shop thinking up his next advantage.

I nominate this for 4m post of the year!!!

[Necrosis]

you mean his next way of cheatingYOUR MOTHER AIN'T SHlT!!!!

[Necrosis]

As long as he doesn't cheat on me...

[Brian Gray]

He's just mad cause now they can't run their FRIC that they prolly spent last years profit on. Close guess ? I'm betting it's (not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word) close.