American Dirt Late Model Rankings as of 6 April 2015

[SDLM Rankings]

2015 American DLM Rankings
In the aDLMr drivers are rewarded for showing up often and performing well against the top competition!!!

772 drivers have started atleast one aDLMr Ranked feature as of April 6, 2015 .


93 of 877 of 10.60% of aDLMr ranked features have been run.
National Rankings as of April 6, 2015

Rank) Last Name, First Name / Points / Change
1 ) Clanton, Shane / 199.91 / 0
2 ) Richards, Josh / 199.45 / 0
3 ) Moyer, Billy / 199.10 / 1
4 ) Bloomquist, Scott / 199.05 / 2
5 ) Owens, Jimmy / 198.93 / -2
6 ) Davenport, Jonathan / 198.67 / -1
7 ) Pearson Jr., Earl / 198.33 / 1
8 ) Lanigan, Darrell / 198.04 / -1
9 ) Sheppard, Brandon / 197.55 / 0
10 ) O'Neal, Don / 195.63 / 0
11 ) Casebolt, Steve / 195.54 / 1
12 ) Pierce, Bobby / 195.31 / 41
13 ) Landers, Jared / 195.20 / 4
14 ) Carrier Jr., Eddie / 195.08 / -3
15 ) Heckenast Jr., Frank / 195.06 / -2
16 ) Erb Jr., Dennis / 194.86 / 2
17 ) McCreadie, Tim / 194.25 / 5
18 ) Scott, Stormy / 193.85 / -4
19 ) Francis, Steve / 193.79 / -4
20 ) Bagley, Morgan / 193.59 / -4
21 ) Roberts, Casey / 193.42 / -2
22 ) Moran, Devin / 192.79 / -1
23 ) Frank, Chub / 192.70 / 0
24 ) McIntosh, Donald / 192.21 / -4
25 ) Simpson, Chris / 191.96 / 15
26 ) Overton, Brandon / 191.24 / 1
27 ) Whitener, Mark / 191.06 / -3
28 ) McDowell, Dale / 190.95 / -2
29 ) Zeigler, Mason / 190.38 / -1
30 ) Franklin, Dennis / 190.29 / -1
31 ) Arthur, Walker / 190.15 / -6
32 ) Weiss, Ricky / 189.97 / 26
33 ) Papich, Jason / 189.89 / -3
34 ) Sanders, Rodney / 189.43 / -3
35 ) Jackson Jr., Tony / 188.88 / -3
36 ) Hickman, Riley / 187.94 / 0
37 ) Weaver, Randy / 187.73 / -4
38 ) Junghans, Chase / 187.68 / -3
38 ) Moyer Jr., Billy / 187.27 / -5
40 ) Benedum, Mike / 186.21 / -3
41 ) Robinson, Kent / 185.90 / 0
42 ) Satterlee, Gregg / 185.90 / -2
43 ) Hiett, Jason / 185.64 / -5
44 ) Mars, Jimmy / 185.29 / 3
45 ) Brown, Chris / 184.95 / 0
46 ) Briggs, Rick 'Boom" / 184.92 / -4
47 ) Engliish, Terry / 184.69 / -3
48 ) Pettyjohn, Kenny / 184.63 / 3
49 ) Eckert, Rick / 184.58 / -3
50 ) Blair, Max / 184.55 / -7
51 ) Wells, Eric / 184.32 / -2
52 ) Madden, Chris / 184.20 / -2
53 ) Henderson, Matt / 183.71 / -1
54 ) Nosbich, Keith / 183.66 / -6
55 ) Ogle Jr., Billy / 183.43 / 1
56 ) Lloyd Jr., Ivedent / 182.80 / 1
57 ) Hensel, Adam / 182.62 / 9
58 ) Bronson, Kyle / 182.54 / -4
59 ) Thomas, William / 182.42 / -4
60 ) Dohm, Tim / 181.39 / -1
61 ) Bailes, Ross / 179.92 / 0
62 ) Cook, Ray / 179.49 / 0
63 ) Welshan, Jason / 179.44 / -3
64 ) Shirley, Brian / 178.52 / #N/A
65 ) Phillips, Terry / 178.29 / 18
66 ) Shaw, Don / 177.97 / -3
67 ) Stone, Dan / 177.77 / -3
68 ) Gustin, Ryan / 176.62 / 53
69 ) Edge, Chase / 176.48 / -4
70 ) Whitwell, RC / 176.08 / -3
71 ) Ferguson, Chris / 175.27 / -3
72 ) Kirkpatrick, Austin / 175.21 / -2
73 ) Johnson, Ronnie / 175.13 / -4
74 ) Bruening, Tyler / 175.01 / 53
75 ) Diemel, A.J. / 174.96 / -4
76 ) Clem, Tyler / 174.41 / -4
77 ) Ogle, Chad / 173.58 / 89
78 ) Roszell, Tim / 173.12 / 15
79 ) O'Neil, Jake / 172.75 / -3
80 ) Brown Jr, Russell / 172.14 / -7
81 ) Morrow, Todd / 171.65 / -7
82 ) Beard, Kyle / 171.45 / -5
83 ) Erb, Tyler / 171.25 / 20
84 ) Mitchell, Dustin / 171.17 / -9
85 ) Yaggy, Jordan / 171.02 / -7
86 ) Shereck, Jim / 170.94 / #N/A
87 ) Nipper, Jordy / 170.62 / -8
88 ) Marlar, Mike / 170.53 / -7
89 ) Rasdon, Hunter / 170.10 / -9
90 ) Hawkins, Jacob / 170.02 / -8
91 ) Mitchell, John / 169.30 / 22
92 ) Krohn, Jason / 168.84 / 32
93 ) Gentry, David / 168.81 / -9
94 ) Hill, Vic / 168.61 / 42
95 ) Coulter, Joey / 168.44 / -7
96 ) Toste, Tony / 167.95 / -11
97 ) McCarter, Pierce / 167.43 / -10
98 ) Peac0ck, Hunter / 167.35 / 0
99 ) Alberson, Garrett / 167.17 / -10
100 ) Johnson, Davey / 166.28 / -8

[Dante Toledo, OH]

Bloomquist is 9th in Lucas points and 30th in Outlaws points. You have him ranked higher than the 8 drivers ahead of him in Lucas points. I believe Stormy Scott hasn't been in a latemodel since Florida, yet he ranked higher than Devin Moran(4th in Lucas pts) Scott is 15th. I know your system factors in some cool stuff. But i don't see how 9th in Lucas, and 30th in Outlaws turns in to 4th on these rankings.

[Kwd1253]

Yeah their ranking sucks to me randy weaver beat #6 Jonathan but he ranked at 37 drops 4 spots lol. He should be easily ranked 20. I think lot drivers are a lil over ranked for now.

[Kwd1253]

Lol bobby jumps 41 spots with only two wins, they might had him under ranked last time at the same time.

[JDZ]

I think it will take several weeks and severa high-paying races for things to settle out. There will be big moves early in the season.

Thanks for posting SDLM.

[huskerdirt]

Bloomquist is 9th in Lucas points and 30th in Outlaws points. You have him ranked higher than the 8 drivers ahead of him in Lucas points. I believe Stormy Scott hasn't been in a latemodel since Florida, yet he ranked higher than Devin Moran(4th in Lucas pts) Scott is 15th. I know your system factors in some cool stuff. But i don't see how 9th in Lucas, and 30th in Outlaws turns in to 4th on these rankings.

Stormy Scott ran this weekend got two top 5s with MLRA. And yet he dropped.
One of the guys that beat him. Scherek. Jumps an ungodly an amount into the rankings.

[SDLM Rankings]

Here are some category rankings for the drivers that were mentioned in the posts above.

Driver Weaver, Randy
aDLMr Rank 37
Total Earnings Rank 17
Average Earnings Rank 2
Features Rank 104
Wins Rank 2
W% Rank 1
Top 5's Rank 19
Top 5 % Rank 1
Top 10 Rank 45
Top 10 % Rank 1
AVG Finish Rank 232
Average Race Competition Rank 138
Strength of Schedule Rank 98

Driver Davenport, Jonathan
aDLMr Rank 6
Total Earnings Rank 4
Average Earnings Rank 17
Features Rank 7
Wins Rank 10
W% Rank 51
Top 5's Rank 11
Top 5 % Rank 139
Top 10 Rank 13
Top 10 % Rank 257
AVG Finish Rank 278
Average Race Competition Rank 22
Strength of Schedule Rank 4

Driver Pierce, Bobby
aDLMr Rank 12
Total Earnings Rank 9
Average Earnings Rank 10
Features Rank 36
Wins Rank 10
W% Rank 35
Top 5's Rank 31
Top 5 % Rank 169
Top 10 Rank 34
Top 10 % Rank 257
AVG Finish Rank 275
Average Race Competition Rank 44
Strength of Schedule Rank 32

Driver Bloomquist, Scott
aDLMr Rank 4
Total Earnings Rank 7
Average Earnings Rank 19
Features Rank 7
Wins Rank 21
W% Rank 60
Top 5's Rank 8
Top 5 % Rank 133
Top 10 Rank 8
Top 10 % Rank 238
AVG Finish Rank 331
Average Race Competition Rank 15
Strength of Schedule Rank 2

Driver Scott, Stormy
aDLMr Rank 18
Total Earnings Rank 22
Average Earnings Rank 81
Features Rank 2
Wins Rank N/A
W% Rank N/A
Top 5's Rank 14
Top 5 % Rank 179
Top 10 Rank 3
Top 10 % Rank 236
AVG Finish Rank 227
Average Race Competition Rank 56
Strength of Schedule Rank 14

Driver Moran, Devin
aDLMr Rank 22
Total Earnings Rank 25
Average Earnings Rank 47
Features Rank 31
Wins Rank N/A
W% Rank N/A
Top 5's Rank 31
Top 5 % Rank 177
Top 10 Rank 18
Top 10 % Rank 234
AVG Finish Rank 1
Average Race Competition Rank 30
Strength of Schedule Rank 28

[Kwd1253]

SDLM can you pm some info how the points system and how much points a driver can get for winning race and how sdlm ranking is different from other ranking sites. I do like your ranking a lil better than dod. They got driver that should dropped over the wkend but still hold there places. And some are ranked a lil high to me like randy they got him at# 7 when I believe he should be around #20.

[W2Racing09]

SDLM can you pm some info how the points system and how much points a driver can get for winning race and how sdlm ranking is different from other ranking sites. I do like your ranking a lil better than dod. They got driver that should dropped over the wkend but still hold there places. And some are ranked a lil high to me like randy they got him at# 7 when I believe he should be around #20.

ADLMR is completely fact based, DoD is straight up opinion based. The DoD rankings are horrible. For instance Clanton is still #1 even though he has been mediocre at best since Floirda. Lanigan, and Bloomquist ranked higher than many who had better Speedweeks and have raced more since Speedweeks. It is a popularity contest and note based on 2015 success.

[SDLM Rankings]

Kwd1253-- PM sent.

[SDLM Rankings]

W2Racing09-- Clanton is still #1 in the aDLMr Rankings also. The schedule has been sparse since FL. I expect to see some shake-up over the next few weeks.

[Kwd1253]

@ w2racing09 yeah dod ranking looks more like popularity, media and major sponsors poll ranking.
Kwd1253-- PM sent.Thanks sdlm.. It makes lot more since how adlm get there ranking. it is a ever far stats how drivers get there ranking. Still think weaver should be ranked higher ;)

[SFrancisFan15]

ADLMR is completely fact based, DoD is straight up opinion based. The DoD rankings are horrible. For instance Clanton is still #1 even though he has been mediocre at best since Floirda. Lanigan, and Bloomquist ranked higher than many who had better Speedweeks and have raced more since Speedweeks. It is a popularity contest and note based on 2015 success.

LOL!!! Jeff How many freaking races has Clanton ran since speedweeks!!??

Thanks,
Nick

[huskerdirt]

ADLMR is completely fact based, DoD is straight up opinion based. The DoD rankings are horrible. For instance Clanton is still #1 even though he has been mediocre at best since Floirda. Lanigan, and Bloomquist ranked higher than many who had better Speedweeks and have raced more since Speedweeks. It is a popularity contest and note based on 2015 success.

How can you say that DoD rankings are horrible when 8 of the top 10 are the same? Including who is number 1. Clanton has raced a grand total of 4 times since speedweeks, all local or regional shows because of rainouts. And he still has the most national tour wins among everybody.

Maybe you are just pissed because your boy, Richards is in 9th on DoD poll.

The weather has a lot to do with why there hasn't been much change at the top in BOTH polls.

[huskerdirt]

@ w2racing09 yeah dod ranking looks more like popularity, media and major sponsors poll ranking.Thanks sdlm..

Nope....... Not even close.

[SFrancisFan15]

How can you say that DoD rankings are horrible when 8 of the top 10 are the same? Including who is number 1. Clanton has raced a grand total of 4 times since speedweeks, all local or regional shows because of rainouts. And he still has the most national tour wins among everybody.

Maybe you are just pissed because your boy, Richards is in 9th on DoD poll.

The weather has a lot to do with why there hasn't been much change at the top in BOTH polls.

He won't admit it but anything that doesn't go Richards way or a post he isn't praised for will be a foolish post in ole Jeffrey's eyes.

[drano]

I am really surprised Richard's is in second.

[Highside Hustler25]

The schedule has been sparse since FL. I expect to see some shake-up over the next few weeks.

You must enjoy having to explain to everyone why their favorite racer is not ranked higher than another racer. Yer a glutton for punishment my friend. Keep up the good work.:cool:

How bout that Devin Moran:cool:

[W2Racing09]

He won't admit it but anything that doesn't go Richards way or a post he isn't praised for will be a foolish post in ole Jeffrey's eyes.

Right, because I wasn't a racing fan before I was a Josh Richards fan.

I couldn't care less who is ranked where, but I don't put much stock in the DoD rankings. They certainly are a popularity contest and anyone who disputes that is incorrect. You are asking a bunch of people their opinion, that is why Bloomquist who has done almost nothing this season are ranked higher than drivers like EPJ and Richards who both have several wins on the National tours. He is only so high in the rankings because of how he ran at the end of 2014 and his name. If he were some regional driver with the same results he would be down in the 20s somewhere.

I don't think Richards has been the #1 driver in the country, but there certainly is a discussion for who #1 is. Not outright Shane Clanton with the results he has had running with local and regional fields.

Lastly, my name is Jeff not Jeffrey -- but I guess you were just trying to keep with the overlying theme of your posts(s) which are entirely ignorant and incorrect.

Thanks,
Jeff.

[W2Racing09]

Nope....... Not even close.

Please explain what it is then when you ask a bunch of people their opinion.

If you ask a bunch of people on here who the best driver in DLM history is you will get a bunch of answers mostly based on people's opinion. I will say Josh Richards, BBQ might say Casey Roberts, and a bunch might say Bloomquist, etc. But at the end of the day its all just opinions.

Thanks,
Jeff.

[huskerdirt]

Please explain what it is then when you ask a bunch of people their opinion.

Thanks,
Jeff.

Read what he wrote....... Driven by media, sponsors, and popularity......

If that was infact 100% true..... Then either ranking would not match up at all. Clanton wouldn't be #1 and Josh Richards wouldn't be 9th considering how much Rocket advertises on the site.

Both polls have one glaring describency between the two. Otherwise the polls pretty much match up..... 8 of 10 top ten match. Yet you bash one and not the other.

[drano]

Please explain what it is then when you ask a bunch of people their opinion.

If you ask a bunch of people on here who the best driver in DLM history is you will get a bunch of answers mostly based on people's opinion. I will say Josh Richards, BBQ might say Casey Roberts, and a bunch might say Bloomquist, etc. But at the end of the day its all just opinions.

Thanks,
Jeff.

One thing is for sure if you had a ranking it would be for sure a popularity poll.

[W2Racing09]

Read what he wrote....... Driven by media, sponsors, and popularity......

If that was infact 100% true..... Then either ranking would not match up at all. Clanton wouldn't be #1 and Josh Richards wouldn't be 9th considering how much Rocket advertises on the site.

Both polls have one glaring describency between the two. Otherwise the polls pretty much match up..... 8 of 10 top ten match. After that does it really matter?

You get on here and b!tch about a meaningless poll every week.

I have not bitched about the DoD poll? I just prefer this one as it is based on fact. I do think it is incorrect to list Josh Richards as 9th when he is one of only a select few with three national caliber wins in 2015. However if you look back to last year I preferred these rankings back then too.

[W2Racing09]

One thing is for sure if you had a ranking it would be for sure a popularity poll.

If any one person or group of people make a ranking it is based on popularity. There is no other way to cut it, if these drivers were to only ever compete with each other that would be one thing. But they don't so its impossible to know who would be ranked where. This ranking is the closest it gets to being even remotely

If I had to rank the top 10 it would look a little different. But again, it would just be based on my opinion. Does Josh Richards deserve to be above Moyer? Who knows they both did great in GA/FL and had a few wins. Bobby Pierce has one of the highest paying wins this season so far, how does that factor in? Should it be worth more than Richards' wins or Moyer's wins?

1. Shane Clanton (but not by much)
2. Jonathan Davenport
3. Josh Richards
4. Billy Moyer
5. Earl Pearson Jr.
6. Randy Weaver
7. Eddie Carrier Jr.
8. Darrel Lanigan
9. - 10. Scott Bloomquist? Casey Roberts? Bobby Pierce?

Thanks,
Jeff.

[huskerdirt]

I have not bitched about the DoD poll? I just prefer this one as it is based on fact. I do think it is incorrect to list Josh Richards as 9th when he is one of only a select few with three national caliber wins in 2015. However if you look back to last year I preferred these rankings back then too.

You stated DoDs rankings were HORRIBLE. Despite the top of both polls basically matching up. You also questioned why Clanton is still number 1...... Actually he is number one both polls. Oh wait according to you SDLMR are the only one that matters.

No true poll is ever based on FACTS. SDLMR uses a formula calculated by a human. DoDs is 30 different opinions and put out as one poll. The fact that are close to matching up despite the different criteria is an accomplishment. Don't ya think?

[huskerdirt]

If any one person or group of people make a ranking it is based on popularity. There is no other way to cut it, if these drivers were to only ever compete with each other that would be one thing. But they don't so its impossible to know who would be ranked where. This ranking is the closest it gets to being even remotely

If I had to rank the top 10 it would look a little different. But again, it would just be based on my opinion. Does Josh Richards deserve to be above Moyer? Who knows they both did great in GA/FL and had a few wins. Bobby Pierce has one of the highest paying wins this season so far, how does that factor in? Should it be worth more than Richards' wins or Moyer's wins?

1. Shane Clanton (but not by much)
2. Jonathan Davenport
3. Josh Richards
4. Billy Moyer
5. Earl Pearson Jr.
6. Randy Weaver
7. Eddie Carrier Jr.
8. Darrel Lanigan
9. - 10. Scott Bloomquist? Casey Roberts? Bobby Pierce?

Thanks,
Jeff.


Why would you rank Randy Weaver ahead of guys that have national tour wins? Yes Randy has 4 REGIONAL wins. But has yet to even entered a show that pays 10k to win or more.

Why would Bobby Pierce be a candidate to be 10th despite not doing jack sh!t until this weekend?

Sounds like a POPULARITY vote to me.

[W2Racing09]

Why would you rank Randy Weaver ahead of guys that have national tour wins? Yes Randy has 4 REGIONAL wins. But has yet to even entered a show that pays 10k to win or more.

Why would Bobby Pierce be a candidate to be 10th despite not doing jack sh!t until this weekend?

Sounds like a POPULARITY vote to me.

IT IS A POPULARITY VOTE. THAT IS WHAT YOU GET WHEN YOU ASK FOR SOMEONES OPINION. I know I'm wrong because its just my opinion with no real facts or stats to back it up. My biggest problem with the DoD rankings was the placement of Lanigan and Bloomquist near the top of the poll when they have been mediocre at best.

Weaver raced against regional and national competition in some of his races. Pierce hasn't done much but this weekend he was dominant, which means a lot more than being mediocre like Bloomquist was for three weeks in GA/FL.

I am not a fan of Weaver (Not really a fan of anyone driving an LH chassis) or Pierce.

Thanks,
Jeff.

[drano]

Why are you so hung up on chassis brand's I guess if you are it is ok, just wondering.

[Barbecueboy]

Please explain what it is then when you ask a bunch of people their opinion.

If you ask a bunch of people on here who the best driver in DLM history is you will get a bunch of answers mostly based on people's opinion. I will say Josh Richards, BBQ might say Casey Roberts, and a bunch might say Bloomquist, etc. But at the end of the day its all just opinions.

Thanks,
Jeff.
Hey sport........you have absolutely no idea who I might or might not say is the best driver in dlm history.

Keep me out of your shinniston kool aid conversations please.

And as much as I'm a fan and a friend of Mr and Mrs Roberts , I wouldn't declare Casey the best driver ever in dlm history.

He is just the best driver I've seen recently dump somebody back for driving him dirty......in case you didn't notice ( ironically at the same track and almost the same spot) you can make an aggressive move and drive it in deep without running all over someone.

And win to boot!!!

And on top of all that, there was no need for a crew member beat down this time.


But just for the record, and to give you a reason to tell everyone your distinct point of view about how wrong I am ............purvis has my vote for the best ever up to this point.

But in 20 years from now, the majority of pundits will tell you bloomquist was the best ever..............and they will be correct.

[huskerdirt]

IT IS A POPULARITY VOTE. THAT IS WHAT YOU GET WHEN YOU ASK FOR SOMEONES OPINION. I know I'm wrong because its just my opinion with no real facts or stats to back it up. My biggest problem with the DoD rankings was the placement of Lanigan and Bloomquist near the top of the poll when they have been mediocre at best.

Weaver raced against regional and national competition in some of his races. Pierce hasn't done much but this weekend he was dominant, which means a lot more than being mediocre like Bloomquist was for three weeks in GA/FL.

I am not a fan of Weaver (Not really a fan of anyone driving an LH chassis) or Pierce.

Thanks,
Jeff.



Hey genius. SDLMR actually has Scott Bloomquist higher by about 2 spots than DoD. Lanigan has a whopping 4 spot difference between the two.

Furthermore..... In your opinion. Weaver is the 6th best driver in the country. Guess what DoD has him 7th. SDLMR has him 37th.

Which poll do you pefer again????

Lmao!!!!!

[Barbecueboy]

Why are you so hung up on chassis brand's I guess if you are it is ok, just wondering.

It's all part of the rocket secret handshake club

One must never like the chassis brand that the rocket house driver has to dik drive to win.

Just part of the culture.

[Kwd1253]

@ huskerdirt.. Only reason I said it looks like that from dod ranking. Is because first jimmy and Darrel havnt moved any spots. How can you reward them over billy who has 4-6 more races over ever top 10 driver in the nation. 2nd randy weaver ranked 7th "btw huge fan" but come on 3 first place wins jumps you that high "no way". Jonathan shouldn't be #2 best 4th or 5th. Yes has been running strong, looks like he going win but he doesn't finish strong as he starts a lot of times. adlm ranking is lil closer to the ranking to mine other than josh being number 2. I do have really question that one. Yes he has some good placing avgers. But he only has 9 races of this year vs others that raced 20-16 races.

[zyoung25]

Why are you so hung up on chassis brand's I guess if you are it is ok, just wondering.

I've never heard of a person being a fan or not being a fan of someone just because of the type of chassis they drive....just odd to me. I normally tend to pull for drivers because of their personality and driving style. Normally a driver will change chassis brands at sometime in their career anyway.

[goincircles]

Showing up often and performing well against top competition so that be the reason I see no Boggs or Schlenk correct ?

[Kwd1253]

I've never heard of a person being a fan or not being a fan of someone just because of the type of chassis they drive....just odd to me. I normally tend to pull for drivers because of their personality and driving style. Normally a driver will change chassis brands at sometime in their career anyway.I can tell you why are some people are like that. A chassis builder is like driver. If you like a chassis builder personality, how much they help drivers it goes a long way. Then if you put in the factor that it's coming out there home state brings in some pride. But I could be all wrong because I can careless myself who in what at end of the day.

[huskerdirt]

@ huskerdirt.. Only reason I said it looks like that from dod ranking. Is because first jimmy and Darrel havnt moved any spots. How can you reward them over billy who has 4-6 more races over ever top 10 driver in the nation. 2nd randy weaver ranked 7th "btw huge fan" but come on 3 first place wins jumps you that high "no way". Jonathan shouldn't be #2 best 4th or 5th. Yes has been running strong, looks like he going win but he doesn't finish strong as he starts a lot of times. adlm ranking is lil closer to the ranking to mine other than josh being number 2. I do have really question that one. Yes he has some good placing avgers. But he only has 9 races of this year vs others that raced 20-16 races.

First off..... What have Jimmy and Darrell done to earn to move up spots in the poll? Number of starts since Speedweeks--- Jimmy 2. Darrell 0. Billy Moyer 2. Moyers 2 starts were very less than impressive. In your unbiased opinion, How does automatically qualify for Moyer to jump ahead of those guys. Also look at the point difference between those 3, it's 25 points total. That's not very much when 25-30 people are giving there opinion every week. Points go 25 for 1st, 25 for 2nd.....

Randy Weaver should not be ranked that high. I will agree on that, but tell me how his ranking is sponsor driven when none of his major backers ever appear on DoDs homepage? Now Weaver had a chance to prove his staying power this weekend at the KoC.

Davenport might not be the 2nd best driver in the country. But please state a case for someone that OBVIOUSLY is so far in 2015? Davenport is the leader in Lucas points and 2 series wins.


It amazes how some of you try to pick apart a poll after a month rainouts and a weekend with just regional races.

[Kwd1253]

Well only reason I jumped billy over Darrel and jimmy because they almost raced every race since tucson. Billy,jimmy,Darrel have just about same avg. Not by much. Plus he has raced 4 more races then them two that the only reason I put him over them. On superman only reason I didn't factor is point lead of now is because of speed week points. Half the races where not point nights and them nights he did very poor but point nights he was on his (not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word). But that whole other topic there. I see where you coming from tho. No body is setting world on fire on paper on finishes other than Shane if you look at his. But like you said huskerdirt it is early, hopefully it gets better in next two mths. If not, I see a lot of people going at it on here. I could see a few getting ban over it in the near future lol.

[drano]

Several driver's have 3 or 4 chassis in their shop at one time and will switch back and forth during the year so I guess if you are more of a chassis fan than driver you only pull for them when they are running the chassis you like?

[plunks7]

Well only reason I jumped billy over Darrel and jimmy because they almost raced every race since tucson. Billy,jimmy,Darrel have just about same avg. Not by much. Plus he has raced 4 more races then them two that the only reason I put him over them. On superman only reason I didn't factor is point lead of now is because of speed week points. Half the races where not point nights and them nights he did very poor but point nights he was on his (not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word). But that whole other topic there. I see where you coming from tho. No body is setting world on fire on paper on finishes other than Shane if you look at his. But like you said huskerdirt it is early, hopefully it gets better in next two mths. If not, I see a lot of people going at it on here. I could see a few getting ban over it in the near future lol.

I could care less about the rankings. I have my own system. Its who I like (system) to me.!!! :)

[W2Racing09]

Hey sport........you have absolutely no idea who I might or might not say is the best driver in dlm history.

Keep me out of your shinniston kool aid conversations please.

And as much as I'm a fan and a friend of Mr and Mrs Roberts , I wouldn't declare Casey the best driver ever in dlm history.

He is just the best driver I've seen recently dump somebody back for driving him dirty......in case you didn't notice ( ironically at the same track and almost the same spot) you can make an aggressive move and drive it in deep without running all over someone.

And win to boot!!!

And on top of all that, there was no need for a crew member beat down this time.


But just for the record, and to give you a reason to tell everyone your distinct point of view about how wrong I am ............purvis has my vote for the best ever up to this point.

But in 20 years from now, the majority of pundits will tell you bloomquist was the best ever..............and they will be correct.

Obviously that was a tongue in cheek comment. I don't think either one of us would say Josh Richards or Casey Roberts is the best driver in DLM history. Maybe that will be different in 10-20 years but as of now Richards has not done a fraction of what Bloomquist, or Moyer has done in their career. Casey Roberts is a great regional driver but I have a lot more respect for you than to actually think that you consider him the best driver to ever strap into a DLM.

I don't have a vote on the best ever because I know almost nothing about DLM history before 2000 (I never even went to a dirt track race until 2012). I'm sure there were some good drivers back in the day.

Thanks,
Jeff.

[W2Racing09]

Several driver's have 3 or 4 chassis in their shop at one time and will switch back and forth during the year so I guess if you are more of a chassis fan than driver you only pull for them when they are running the chassis you like?

I see regional and local guys doing that a lot more than national guys. I prefer the cars coming out of this area to the cars coming from the Carolina's, or Kentucky, or Tennessee, or wherever else. I pull for Rocket cars first and foremost, and if there are none of those then I'll root for MBH (there is always an MBH around here).

[W2Racing09]

Hey genius. SDLMR actually has Scott Bloomquist higher by about 2 spots than DoD. Lanigan has a whopping 4 spot difference between the two.

Furthermore..... In your opinion. Weaver is the 6th best driver in the country. Guess what DoD has him 7th. SDLMR has him 37th.

Which poll do you pefer again????

Lmao!!!!!

Alright,

Please explain why Darrel Lanigan, Jimmy Owens, and Scott Bloomquist are all listed above Josh Richards, and Owens and Lanigan are listed ahead of Moyer.

Those four spots you are talking about are four of the most important spots on the poll, you yourself said anything past 10th is pointless.

With that said, I'm not talking about just this weeks version of the poll. Apparently you have a horrible memory because I was on here talking about this ranking last year too. If Josh Richards was locked into first every week and the rest were being ranked from 2-25 I would still be critical of the DoD poll. I may have posted this time without looking at the poll, but either way by the end of the year if those drivers are ranked higher it will be because they deserve to be there not just because they have had spectacular careers in DLM racing -- that's great but it does nothing to prove how good they are this season. If we are going by history then every year Montreal should be ranked #1 in the NHL and the Steelers should be ranked #1 in the NFL, etc.

Thanks,
Jeff.

[W2Racing09]

No jeffypoo we all know you a fan of the "wonderturd" oops I mean "goldenturd" oops again dam typos.... I really meant to say your very own personal tonsil tester josh " Jeffy is my nuthugger " Richards ... There we go I finally got it right!! Jeffy dude you argue with more people on here than what I do and thats alot..... I know opinions are like (not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)s and everybody has one but man your opinions sometimes are way out there... These rankings you talk of that you would compile are nothing more than a popularity contest as a couple others have already stated so come up with something new ol boy!!

Did you mean to quote that post? Because you pretty much repeated exactly what I said. Aside from the jokes that you probably spent all night trying to come up with.

My top 10 was an opinion, that is all it is and all it will ever be. My opinion is based on my perception of who the best drivers are. Its the same with the DoD poll, or anyone else who gives their opinion. It is useless.

That is how this whole deal started, the DoD poll is useless because it is just a bunch of opinions. This poll is more useful because it has a criteria it uses to determine who falls where. There are reasons behind why someone is in a spot other than just that people like that person or he did good last year.

Thanks,
Jeff.

[Nasty55]

Did you mean to quote that post? Because you pretty much repeated exactly what I said. Aside from the jokes that you probably spent all night trying to come up with.

My top 10 was an opinion, that is all it is and all it will ever be. My opinion is based on my perception of who the best drivers are. Its the same with the DoD poll, or anyone else who gives their opinion. It is useless.

That is how this whole deal started, the DoD poll is useless because it is just a bunch of opinions. This poll is more useful because it has a criteria it uses to determine who falls where. There are reasons behind why someone is in a spot other than just that people like that person or he did good last year.

Thanks,
Jeff.



Actually Jeffrey... You are a joke in itself!! You seem to try and clown everyone else but yet you can't stand it when someone steps back into you!! I've sat back and watched you run your mouth to different ones on here about various different things and I think that most will agree that your full of yourself and full of poo as well.... You can have some decent debates but they most generally end up in an argument of some sort or you hugging on josh Richards nutz!! Now don't get me wrong I don't blame a guy for praising his favorite driver but 90% of your posts end up talking about that kid and how great you seem to think him and his bottle rocket chassis is!! Rocket=good chassis Jeffrey=nuthugger!! COMPRENDE!!

[Nasty55]

Now Jeffrey I'm done on this thread if you want to continue this little debate go on over to the tailgate section.....

[W2Racing09]

Actually Jeffrey... You are a joke in itself!! You seem to try and clown everyone else but yet you can't stand it when someone steps back into you!! I've sat back and watched you run your mouth to different ones on here about various different things and I think that most will agree that your full of yourself and full of poo as well.... You can have some decent debates but they most generally end up in an argument of some sort or you hugging on josh Richards nutz!! Now don't get me wrong I don't blame a guy for praising his favorite driver but 90% of your posts end up talking about that kid and how great you seem to think him and his bottle rocket chassis is!! Rocket=good chassis Jeffrey=nuthugger!! COMPRENDE!!

Fair enough, if that is what you want to think go for it. I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince you otherwise, after all the education system tried for 12 years to teach you grammar and you still seem to think half of the words in English language end in an exclamation point. Not to mention that I don't really care at all what you think.

[W2Racing09]

Now Jeffrey I'm done on this thread if you want to continue this little debate go on over to the tailgate section.....

If this is what passes for a debate I'm glad I don't pay any attention to that section.

Thanks,
Jeff.

[Barbecueboy]

But wait, there is more...........if you order today we will send you two( not one), but two one sided opinions!!

Taxes, shipping and mishandling information fees included.

[Bubstr]

The ranking list, I'd like to see is a dollars % per race average. I really don't care who they ran against or how much the race paid. When you step away from the table, it's how many dollars you have in the pocket and good hands don't mean anything. That makes the playing field even for those talented drivers that don't follow a series. For those that don't agree, make a glory list. A good example coming up is the Commonwealth vs Lucas and Woo. Va. payout is bigger than Woo and Lucas, but all regional drivers. Then there is the Hell Tour. Mostly regional but lots of money, or MLRA, Cornbelt Clash, Mars, Alms, Ultimate, Spring Nationals, Southern Nationals plus the weekly LM shows. The money spends the same no matter who raced and lower purses would lower percentages, but add to total for guys that raced big and small shows. The way I see it, is at the end of the day, a trophy is nice but being able to race the next day is more important.

Which would you want? A guy that raced 10 times and won average was 5k or a guy that raced 10 times and won a 10k show for a 1k average.

[huskerdirt]

Alright,

Please explain why Darrel Lanigan, Jimmy Owens, and Scott Bloomquist are all listed above Josh Richards, and Owens and Lanigan are listed ahead of Moyer.

Those four spots you are talking about are four of the most important spots on the poll, you yourself said anything past 10th is pointless.

With that said, I'm not talking about just this weeks version of the poll. Apparently you have a horrible memory because I was on here talking about this ranking last year too. If Josh Richards was locked into first every week and the rest were being ranked from 2-25 I would still be critical of the DoD poll. I may have posted this time without looking at the poll, but either way by the end of the year if those drivers are ranked higher it will be because they deserve to be there not just because they have had spectacular careers in DLM racing -- that's great but it does nothing to prove how good they are this season. If we are going by history then every year Montreal should be ranked #1 in the NHL and the Steelers should be ranked #1 in the NFL, etc.

Thanks,
Jeff.

You are the first person to mention past history regarding the poll. If past history had any barring on this poll. Scott Bloomquist would be #1 and Billy Moyer would be #2. We can probably slot in Jeff Purvis at #3. You are right, you've been crictial of DoDs poll in the past. Maybe some people have had enough. Of course you didn't do yourself any favors by not even looking at this weeks poll.


How can positions 4-9 be the most the important spots in the polls? I thought number 1 would be at the top followed by 2 and so on. Clanton went from unranked to #1 in a span 2.5 weeks. So quit acting like somebody is getting a screw job in April after a month of rainouts.

So you want me to explain why Jimmy and Darrell are ahead of Billy? Did you look at margin between those 3??? It's 25 points. That's not very many. Those 3 have made a combined 4 starts between since speedweeks. IMO, that's not a very good sample size.

None of the top ten changed last week, btw. So why is it a problem now?

As far as Richards dropping. He was 5th after speedweeks, he goes to Brownstown and Atomic. Two guys ranked behind him won features, so that probably dropped him alittle. Does it really matter in March/April where he is ranked? Step back and think about that. Ohio State fans weren't b!tching about the football rankings in September.

Look at point margins between 4-9. It's very small and few votes either could jump a guy a few spots. Did you ever look at that?

Jeffery....... I don't get how you can say one poll is useless and the other is spot on when the top guys are ranked at the top in both polls. You gave your opinion about a top ten, which didn't even come close to matching up what the other two polls have. Then chastised a opinion poll.... What did you expect?

Before next weeks DoD poll.... I suggest you do a little research on the poll. Examine past polls and see how/what caused them to move. Then look at the actual margins between positions. Since you have time to get on here and criticized a poll. You have time to probably do that.

[W2Racing09]

You are the first person to mention past history regarding the poll. If past history had any barring on this poll. Scott Bloomquist would be #1 and Billy Moyer would be #2. We can probably slot in Jeff Purvis at #3. You are right, you've been crictial of DoDs poll in the past. Maybe some people have had enough. Of course you didn't do yourself any favors by not even looking at this weeks poll.


So you want me to explain why Jimmy and Darrell are ahead of Billy? Did you look at margin between those 3??? It's 25 points. That's not very many. Those 3 have made a combined 4 starts between since speedweeks. IMO, that's not a very good sample size.

None of the top ten changed last week, btw. So why is it a problem now?

As far as Richards dropping. He was 5th after speedweeks, he goes to Brownstown and Atomic. Two guys ranked behind him won features, so that probably dropped him alittle. Does it really matter in March/April where he is ranked? Step back and think about that. Ohio State fans weren't b!tching about the football rankings in September.

Look at point margins between 4-9. It's very small and few votes either could jump a guy a few spots. Did you ever look at that?

Jeffery....... I don't get how you can say one poll is useless and the other is spot on when the top guys are ranked at the top in both polls. You gave your opinion about a top ten, which didn't even come close to matching up what the other two polls have. Then chastised a opinion poll.... What did you expect?

Before next weeks DoD poll.... I suggest you do a little research on the poll. Examine past polls and see how/what caused them to move. Then look at the actual margins between positions. Since you have time to get on here and criticized a poll. You have time to probably do that.

You are exactly right, a few votes (points) is a huge swing in the DoD poll. My point exactly, it is opinion based. Just like my (incorrect) top ten list is.

The only reason I say this one (ADLMR) is better is because when someone questions something there are statistics to back it up. With the DoD poll the only statistics as you pointed out are that people voted this way or that way.

If you make a top 10 list, and I make a top 10 list and BBQ makes a top 10 list they all have one thing in common with the DoD poll. They are all opinion based. As far as ADLMR goes opinion does not play into the ranking at all, it is stat based. As you said the statistical categories are selected by a human, but I think we can all agree that the statistics used are the ones we could consider most important in determining who the #1 driver in the country is.

Thanks,
Jeff.

[W2Racing09]

The ranking list, I'd like to see is a dollars % per race average. I really don't care who they ran against or how much the race paid. When you step away from the table, it's how many dollars you have in the pocket and good hands don't mean anything. That makes the playing field even for those talented drivers that don't follow a series. For those that don't agree, make a glory list. A good example coming up is the Commonwealth vs Lucas and Woo. Va. payout is bigger than Woo and Lucas, but all regional drivers. Then there is the Hell Tour. Mostly regional but lots of money, or MLRA, Cornbelt Clash, Mars, Alms, Ultimate, Spring Nationals, Southern Nationals plus the weekly LM shows. The money spends the same no matter who raced and lower purses would lower percentages, but add to total for guys that raced big and small shows. The way I see it, is at the end of the day, a trophy is nice but being able to race the next day is more important.

Which would you want? A guy that raced 10 times and won average was 5k or a guy that raced 10 times and won a 10k show for a 1k average.

I'm pretty sure there is a statistic that they have posted occasionally on this site that shows total dollars. Maybe he could pull that again.

Thanks,
Jeff.

[Barbecueboy]

You are the first person to mention past history regarding the poll. If past history had any barring on this poll. Scott Bloomquist would be #1 and Billy Moyer would be #2. We can probably slot in Jeff Purvis at #3. You are right, you've been crictial of DoDs poll in the past. Maybe some people have had enough. Of course you didn't do yourself any favors by not even looking at this weeks poll.


So you want me to explain why Jimmy and Darrell are ahead of Billy? Did you look at margin between those 3??? It's 25 points. That's not very many. Those 3 have made a combined 4 starts between since speedweeks. IMO, that's not a very good sample size.

None of the top ten changed last week, btw. So why is it a problem now?

As far as Richards dropping. He was 5th after speedweeks, he goes to Brownstown and Atomic. Two guys ranked behind him won features, so that probably dropped him alittle. Does it really matter in March/April where he is ranked? Step back and think about that. Ohio State fans weren't b!tching about the football rankings in September.

Look at point margins between 4-9. It's very small and few votes either could jump a guy a few spots. Did you ever look at that?

Jeffery....... I don't get how you can say one poll is useless and the other is spot on when the top guys are ranked at the top in both polls. You gave your opinion about a top ten, which didn't even come close to matching up what the other two polls have. Then chastised a opinion poll.... What did you expect?

Before next weeks DoD poll.... I suggest you do a little research on the poll. Examine past polls and see how/what caused them to move. Then look at the actual margins between positions. Since you have time to get on here and criticized a poll. You have time to probably do that.


Husker IN THE HOUSE!!!!!

Nicely done.

[W2Racing09]

You are the first person to mention past history regarding the poll. If past history had any barring on this poll. Scott Bloomquist would be #1 and Billy Moyer would be #2. We can probably slot in Jeff Purvis at #3. You are right, you've been crictial of DoDs poll in the past. Maybe some people have had enough. Of course you didn't do yourself any favors by not even looking at this weeks poll.


How can positions 4-9 be the most the important spots in the polls? I thought number 1 would be at the top followed by 2 and so on. Clanton went from unranked to #1 in a span 2.5 weeks. So quit acting like somebody is getting a screw job in April after a month of rainouts.

So you want me to explain why Jimmy and Darrell are ahead of Billy? Did you look at margin between those 3??? It's 25 points. That's not very many. Those 3 have made a combined 4 starts between since speedweeks. IMO, that's not a very good sample size.

None of the top ten changed last week, btw. So why is it a problem now?

As far as Richards dropping. He was 5th after speedweeks, he goes to Brownstown and Atomic. Two guys ranked behind him won features, so that probably dropped him alittle. Does it really matter in March/April where he is ranked? Step back and think about that. Ohio State fans weren't b!tching about the football rankings in September.

Look at point margins between 4-9. It's very small and few votes either could jump a guy a few spots. Did you ever look at that?

Jeffery....... I don't get how you can say one poll is useless and the other is spot on when the top guys are ranked at the top in both polls. You gave your opinion about a top ten, which didn't even come close to matching up what the other two polls have. Then chastised a opinion poll.... What did you expect?

Before next weeks DoD poll.... I suggest you do a little research on the poll. Examine past polls and see how/what caused them to move. Then look at the actual margins between positions. Since you have time to get on here and criticized a poll. You have time to probably do that.

I do have to give you props though, you were the first person in this thread to correctly spell my name.

Thanks,
Jeff.

[Barbecueboy]

Since we are talking polls here...........I would like to get a feeling on what has been the most egregious slider/dive bomb dik driving move of the year so far in 2015.

And while we are at it, let's also start a poll on who has executed the best ( non dik)slide move of the year to win a race .

Here is a hint............it won't be the same driver.

[W2Racing09]

Since we are talking polls here...........I would like to get a feeling on what has been the most egregious slider/dive bomb dik driving move of the year so far in 2015.

And while we are at it, let's also start a poll on who has executed the best ( non dik)slide move of the year to win a race .

Can we also add a poll for the driver who could have potentially injured the most people by running into a car at the scales?

Seriously though, this topic isn't even about Casey Roberts vs. Josh Richards and I didn't even mention it once. Not sure where this came from BBQ.

Thanks,
Jeff.

[Nasty55]

Before next weeks DoD poll.... I suggest you do a little research on the poll. Examine past polls and see how/what caused them to move. Then look at the actual margins between positions. Since you have time to get on here and criticized a poll. You have time to probably do that.


Husker he can't do it and he won't do it because he will let that over inflated ego of his get in the way. Just sayin

[W2Racing09]

he won't do it

The very first correct statement you've ever made on 4m.

I'm not going to examine anything, the only thing I'll make sure to do next time is look at both polls before posting.

Thanks,
Jeff.

[Nasty55]

The very first correct statement you've ever made on 4m.

I'm not going to examine anything, the only thing I'll make sure to do next time is look at both polls before posting.

Thanks,
Jeff.


Yeah ok Ricky Bobby... Its your story tell it how you want.

[Kwd1253]

I do have to give you props though, you were the first person in this thread to correctly spell my name.Thanks,Jeff.Jeffery so that how back woods hillbilly rednecks spell Jeffery ;) jk... husker husker dirty dirty huskerdirt can you pm where I can get all the info how dod ranking works? I can't find it on dod maybe I'm just blind as Ray Charles tho!

[W2Racing09]

Jeffery so that how back woods hillbilly rednecks spell Jeffery ;) jk... husker husker dirty dirty huskerdirt can you pm where I can get all the info how dod ranking works? I can't find it on dod maybe I'm just blind as Ray Charles tho!

From my understanding it works like this,

They email a bunch of people in the media and people involved with racing to give their opinion on who the top 25 drivers in the country are. I think that when they send the ranking in it is listed in this format.

1st place - 25 points
2nd place - 24 points
3rd place - 23 points
.....
25th place - 1 point

Then they add up the responses of all 25 people, and the driver with the most points is ranked #1, and the driver with the 2nd most points is ranked #2, etc.

Thanks,
Jeff.

[W2Racing09]

Yeah ok Ricky Bobby... Its your story tell it how you want.

Exactly.

Thanks,
Jeff.

[Barbecueboy]

Can we also add a poll for the driver who could have potentially injured the most people by running into a car at the scales?

Seriously though, this topic isn't even about Casey Roberts vs. Josh Richards and I didn't even mention it once. Not sure where this came from BBQ.

Thanks,
Jeff.

Why , whatever do you mean????

It's just a poll of folks opinions............I never once mentioned anything about either of those drivers except to ask you to keep me out of the rocket kool aid parties when you insinuated that I may think Casey might be the best dlm driver in the country.

If I didn't know better, I might think you have a man crush on somebody...........

Now.........since it's just a poll and really has no scientific backup, I would like to know who thinks which moves was just a dik move and which move was executed to perfection.

Aw, and what the heck.........it's just an opinion.

[Barbecueboy]

Exactly.

Thanks,
Jeff.

And don't forget when you tell it how you want to tell it, make sure you get the absolute last word in.

Or it doesn't count.

[W2Racing09]

Why , whatever do you mean????

It's just a poll of folks opinions............I never once mentioned anything about either of those drivers except to ask you to keep me out of the rocket kool aid parties when you insinuated that I may think Casey might be the best dlm driver in the country.

If I didn't know better, I might think you have a man crush on somebody...........

Now.........since it's just a poll and really has no scientific backup, I would like to know who thinks which moves was just a dik move and which move was executed to perfection.

Aw, and what the heck.........it's just an opinion.

Well, each one resulted in a check being deposited into the winners bank account so I'm sure both drivers are happy with the results that their sliders produced.

Thanks,
Jeff.

[W2Racing09]

And don't forget when you tell it how you want to tell it, make sure you get the absolute last word in.

Or it doesn't count.

Exactly,

Thanks,
Jeff.

[Nasty55]

Exactly,

Thanks,
Jeff.


Man you sure are an arrogant one now are ya jeffypoo? Oh wait I'll answer that for ya....
Exactly.
Thanks,
jeffypoo

[W2Racing09]

Man you sure are an arrogant one now are ya jeffypoo? Oh wait I'll answer that for ya....
Exactly.
Thanks,
jeffypoo

Here I always thought it was questionable when a grown man kept coming up with pet names for another grown man. I guess it just shows that you care.

Thanks,
Jeff.

[Nasty55]

Here I always thought it was questionable when a grown man kept coming up with pet names for another grown man. I guess it just shows that you care.

Thanks,
Jeff.

Yep I sure care jeff... I care for you about as much as a turd being flushed!

[W2Racing09]

Yep I sure care jeff... I care for you about as much as a turd being flushed!

Rest assured the feeling is mutual.

Thanks,
Jeff.

[Barbecueboy]

Well, each one resulted in a check being deposited into the winners bank account so I'm sure both drivers are happy with the results that their sliders produced.

Thanks,
Jeff.

Who are you talking about......I've mentioned no names at all????

[W2Racing09]

Who are you talking about......I've mentioned no names at all????

I'm going to assume you are not talking about Kyle Hardy and Walker Arthur. That leaves Richards and Roberts, and Roberts and Smith. Unless there was some other crazy slide job dive bomb pass you are referring to.

[Barbecueboy]

I'm going to assume you are not talking about Kyle Hardy and Walker Arthur. That leaves Richards and Roberts, and Roberts and Smith. Unless there was some other crazy slide job dive bomb pass you are referring to.

With me,you should never assume Jeff........

I'm sure there have been some great clean incredible passes like the Roberts pass on smith at other tracks too......

But , to your point............probably none as crazy dive bombsh dirty as the Richards mugging of Roberts or the hardy cheap shot of Arthur.
I'm glad we finally agree on that.

I really would like to know if anybody has seen any better than the Roberts /Smith complete car control pass or any worse than the " use your competitor as a guard rail" method that Roberts and hardy used.

It's a poll remember, I'm just looking for some opinions of what other people have seen this year........polls are useless anyway.

Just taking a break from fishing today and wanted to provoke some good conversation.