Video of Schulte being an idiot

[MotoMatt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=3lhVlHiz_tE&app=desktopHere you go, the video speaks for itself. This guy should never be allowed in a car again.

[D. Tidrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=3lhVlHiz_tE&app=desktopHere you go, the video speaks for itself. This guy should never be allowed in a car again.The fans got their money's worth, that's for sure.

[skids]

What became of this incident? Was he charged with assault, reckless endangerment or anything else? Most definitely should never be allowed in a car again.

[00Hdmn]

I cant believe what I just watched.....that was flat out idiotic!!!

[SnakeX3]

It really puts the whole Roberts/Richards deal into perspective. What I just watched there was criminal.

[Highside Hustler25]

So 4m deleted the first thread on this subject????????????????:confused:????????????????

[ClampedUp]

That right there deserves both criminal and civil charges brought against that scumbag.
If this was a UMP sanctioned track WRG/UMP need to show some testicular fortitude and ban this idiot for life at every UMP sanctioned track along with any series races under the WRG ownership.
Also any track promoter worth their salt will ban this loose cannon for life before he hurts or kills someone because he showed he has zero regard for the safety and life of the other drivers and track workers.
Do the right thing WRG/UMP!!

[Pops15]

There was some incredibly poor judgement shown there, and it kept getting worse.
Schulte dumping Dauderman.
Then Dauderman trying to get out of his car while it was on the track. Dose he not remember the Kevin Ward incident?
Then Schulte ramming Dauderman's car while he was trying to climb out. Schulte didn't appear to have any regard for human life.
Then Dauderman approached the moving car of Schulte. Really? He must not have forgotten about what happened to Kevin Ward.
Then to prove what a dangerous idiot he is Schulte had to take another shot at Dauderman's car.

UMP needs to give Dauderman two weeks off for getting out of his car. He could use that time to watch the Kevin Ward video and think about how his own incident could have turned out very differently. If he had one foot on the ground there's a good chance he would have been run over by his own car.

Schulte? I agree with ClampedUp. WRG should ban him for life.

So will WRG/UMP do the right thing? Or will they too show poor judgement and do nothing or maybe just slap Schulte's wrist?

[B_K]

Now a little right hook does not seem so bad huh?

Been going to races all my life, that might have been the dumbest thing I've ever seen. How the driver of the 27 did not leave in cuffs is beyond me.

If you get six months for a punch, that should warrant something much stronger.

[WisWildManFan]

I don't know how that guy left without getting his @$$ kicked?

[B_K]

I don't know how that guy left without getting his @$$ kicked?

According to some on here, that's totally uncalled for. It's far better to settle it on track and maybe hurt someone or cost people thousands of dollars.

He needed a little right hook 101 himself. That's for sure.

[SnakeX3]

UMP needs to give Dauderman two weeks off for getting out of his car. He could use that time to watch the Kevin Ward video and think about how his own incident could have turned out very differently. I'm sure it was a heat of the moment thing and in a situation like that no one could be thinking clearly, but the sanctioning bodies need to beat it into the heads of all drivers, especially young drivers and local guys, how dangerous getting out of the car on the track can be. Although giving Dauderman time off is punishing the real victim, hopefully taking that action will make the drivers think twice.

[WisWildManFan]

According to some on here, that's totally uncalled for. It's far better to settle it on track and maybe hurt someone or cost people thousands of dollars.He needed a little right hook 101 himself. That's for sure.Just another example of this nation becoming pu$$ified.

[SnakeX3]

According to some on here, that's totally uncalled for. It's far better to settle it on track and maybe hurt someone or cost people thousands of dollars. He needed a little right hook 101 himself. That's for sure. I'm with you 100%. I hope the analogy doesn't get the thread shut down, but settling a score with your fists in the pits after a race is a far better option then using your car as a weapon on or off the track.

[WisWildManFan]

I'm with you 100%. I hope the analogy doesn't get the thread shut down, but settling a score with your fists in the pits after a race is a far better option then using your car as a weapon on or off the track.The nice part about it is usually won't cost anybody any $ either. A lot safer fist fighting then what was on that video. He must of had a police escort out of the track.

[racer67x]

I was expecting a little more than that after the last thread and the dude posting about how he tried to kill people and should be banned for life..
agreed that the guy in the pink car should have heard a little chin music.

[Kwd1253]

I was expecting a little more than that after the last thread and the dude posting about how he tried to kill people and should be banned for life..agreed that the guy in the pink car should have heard a little chin music.This, I thought would been worst how he going on about it. I thought he pushing car all over the track. But he pushed for 2 secs and the car rolled off into the infield. Not saying what he did was right but I seen hell of lot worst than that.

[Kwd1253]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=3lhVlHiz_tE&app=desktopHere you go, the video speaks for itself. This guy should never be allowed in a car again.I like how you taking up for dauderman! Dauderman is just as big of a idiotic as schulte. He try race hard and dirt after the 1st lap Bulldoging his way through. Then after schulte spun him he trying fly out the car like he going try to confront schulte or even fight him only reason you get out car that fast if its not on fire. Only thing I got say is "Get it how you Live and Race!".

[superdirt]

The only way this ridiculous behavior is going to stop is to have criminal charges pressed, AND then a conviction.

The incident at Challenger did have charges pressed, and some how that driver got out of it despite all the witnesses AND the incident being on video. Unfortunately, crooked lawyers can get criminals out of crimes.

[chupp n bloomer fan]

What a moron. Dude got inside of you on a bullring, and instead of giving him a car width as you should, you try to keep him pinched off. So he does as he should and keeps his nose in there. Then Schulte brakes and punts him and takes out a few other cars. I'd ban that 27 for a year from any track whatsoever. Dauderman guy or whatever his name is should get two weeks, he tried to get out of his car on the track. Mostly a dumb incident, but it coulda been way worse.

[Clayton_Wetter]

What kind of a human being would sit in a car after having that crap going on?? I don't blame him one bit for needing to take care of business.

And that Schulte should be banned from racing period for at least one year.

[MotoMatt]

I like how you taking up for dauderman! Dauderman is just as big of a idiotic as schulte. He try race hard and dirt after the 1st lap Bulldoging his way through. Then after schulte spun him he trying fly out the car like he going try to confront schulte or even fight him only reason you get out car that fast if its not on fire. Only thing I got say is "Get it how you Live and Race!".I never said what the Dauderman guy did was right, he should be punished for getting out, but that other guy should be banned for life for using his car as a weapon. I am glad all went home alive, that was too close and the sport doesn't need that sort of press at all.

[25drtrkr]

What a moron. Dude got inside of you on a bullring, and instead of giving him a car width as you should, you try to keep him pinched off. So he does as he should and keeps his nose in there. Then Schulte brakes and punts him and takes out a few other cars. I'd ban that 27 for a year from any track whatsoever. Dauderman guy or whatever his name is should get two weeks, he tried to get out of his car on the track. Mostly a dumb incident, but it coulda been way worse.

My sentiments exactly....^^^^^^^^!

[NormP]

Keep in mind you're dealing with dirt track drivers. Not exactly the sharpest knives in the drawer.

[JK4745]

I can't blame Dauderman for getting out of his car. He got blatantly taken out and in the heat of the moment emotions take over. Now Shulte on the other hand at the least should be suspended for the rest of the season at the track the incident took place.

[JK4745]

If your emotions have never taken over and you're a driver, the passion for racing evidently isn't there. I also raced for a few years and you know when you're intentionally wrecked and emotions do over ride common sense. Why are you calling Daudermab a moron? He got out of his car in the heat of the moment, was it the right thing to do no but as I said emotions get the best of you when your passionate about racing.

[Kwd1253]

Ban for life is lil harsh going over board on that rest of the season would get his mind right if not then ban for 2-3yrs. Is mike schulte a regular at Highland speedway and belle-chair, bobby dauderman regular at belle-chair? Is that alex schulte car in the infield?

[Kwd1253]

If your emotions have never taken over and you're a driver, the passion for racing evidently isn't there. I also raced for a few years and you know when you're intentionally wrecked and emotions do over ride common sense. Why are you calling Daudermab a moron? He got out of his car in the heat of the moment, was it the right thing to do no but as I said emotions get the best of you when your passionate about racing.Do you know the history between this two?

[Matt49]

Dauberman getting out of his car can be classified as a boneheaded and/or heat of the moment thing.
But what Schulte did was by for the most idiotic malicious behavior I have ever seen at a race track. He would have left that track in a police car or an ambulance if I was running that place.
If you're a fan of our sport and you aren't enraged by this type of behavior, you need to seek mental help.

[Highside Hustler25]

No, he shouldn't have gotten out of his car, but in defense, all cars on the track had come to a stop.

You spin a guy out, then intentionally use your car as a weapon and ram another car during a yellow? If UMP does not suspend him, something is wrong. And the track should do the same even tho they are UMP sanctioned and he won't be able to compete there if UMP does the right thing.

[Matt49]

I don't even know how anybody can compare what Dauderman did and what Schulte did in this video. Yes getting out of the car was stupid but Dauderman only endangers one person by doing that and it is himself. Intentionally pushing a car with someone trying to get out of it and then pushing it again with nobody in it endangered everybody on the race track. STUPID STUPID STUPID. I saw on the track's FB page that they have given the information to UMP and are awaiting a decision. Why can't they stand up and make their own decision about him racing at their track?

[Kwd1253]

Dauberman getting out of his car can be classified as a boneheaded and/or heat of the moment thing. But what Schulte did was by for the most idiotic malicious behavior I have ever seen at a race track. He would have left that track in a police car or an ambulance if I was running that place. If you're a fan of our sport and you aren't enraged by this type of behavior, you need to seek mental help.Well you haven't seen much then... sorry say that, like I said earlier "get it how you live and race" you race hard and dirty pushing someone out your way to get by on the 2nd lap. You going have a long night with that person you done it too, yes that is racing. He didnt try to pass him clean and sometimes that driver might not take it lightly to beat up and damage your car so early in a race. Dauderman try to be the bull and he got the horns turn on him. If what mike did makes you that enrage you need help. 1st it didn't happen to you 2nd that was not your equipment 3rd no one got hurt. Are sure you should be fan if you get enraged over that. I dint agree with neither one them specially mike. Why don't you investigate why did mike get so heated to do that. Them two been racing against each other for while. A man doesn't snap like that from hard racing, need look at their pass history at belle-chair and highland.

[plunks7]

I agree with everything everybody has posted. But I was blown away on how that car steered without anybody in it. Without hitting anything or anyone!! D a m n what a set up. Must be a Bloomquist chassis. :) :)

[klemmabyna]

thanks for posting the video.

incidents like this is what brings lawyers to a race track. next thing a track can't make enough to cover insurance premiums and the gates close. yes, that kind of stuff will sell a couple more tickets in the short term, but it won't cover liability costs.

the guy getting out of the car deserves a short break from racing. the other guy...well he should take up demo derbies, cause he shouldn't race again.

jmo

[Highside Hustler25]

Well you haven't seen much then... sorry say that, like I said earlier "get it how you live and race" you race hard and dirty pushing someone out your way to get by on the 2nd lap. You going have a long night with that person you done it too, yes that is racing. He didnt try to pass him clean and sometimes that driver might not take it lightly to beat up and damage your car so early in a race. Dauderman try to be the bull and he got the horns turn on him. If what mike did makes you that enrage you need help. 1st it didn't happen to you 2nd that was not your equipment 3rd no one got hurt. Are sure you should be fan if you get enraged over that. I dint agree with neither one them specially mike. Why don't you investigate why did mike get so heated to do that. Them two been racing against each other for while. A man doesn't snap like that from hard racing, need look at their pass history at belle-chair and highland.

You usually agree with your views but am totally confused by your visions that Dauderman passed him dirty? Maybe in the past but not this time. Shulte was holding up more guys than Dauderman. I see passes like that all the time on 1/4 mile tracks. Don't give a guy like Dennis Erb that much room underneath. He'll stick it in there and pass you every time. That was not a dirty move. He was faster, got inside, and made the pass. If the was some sheet metal rubbing, that's dirt racing brother:)

[Matt49]

Well you haven't seen much then... sorry say that, like I said earlier "get it how you live and race" you race hard and dirty pushing someone out your way to get by on the 2nd lap. You going have a long night with that person you done it too, yes that is racing. He didnt try to pass him clean and sometimes that driver might not take it lightly to beat up and damage your car so early in a race. Dauderman try to be the bull and he got the horns turn on him. If what mike did makes you that enrage you need help. 1st it didn't happen to you 2nd that was not your equipment 3rd no one got hurt. Are sure you should be fan if you get enraged over that. I dint agree with neither one them specially mike. Why don't you investigate why did mike get so heated to do that. Them two been racing against each other for while. A man doesn't snap like that from hard racing, need look at their pass history at belle-chair and highland.

No amount of past history justifies this kind of behavior. And you need glasses. Dauderman was completely under Schulte coming down the front stretch and Schulte leaned on him the entire time about putting him into the first yuke tire. Nobody had a damaged race car until Schulte tried to use his a forklift and then there were FOUR torn-up race cars so it is pretty obvious who in this equation has zero respect for other people's equipment.
And then you with your "no one got hurt" comment. Are you absolutely crazy? You have to be pretty stupid to push a race car with nobody at the wheel with a bunch of official standing around the infield. But by all means continue to try to justify this moron. You must be related to him or something because nobody with any sense whatsoever doesn't think this deserves at least a one year ban from racing.
It enrages me for two reasons:
1) I don't like the attention nonsense like this brings to our sport. NOTHING good comes from this.
2) Blatant disregard for the safety of the track workers and other drivers is idiotic and malicious.

[fenders27]

That reminds me of Tyler Walker. What was he thinking ? Man makes a good move to the inside and you don't like it?

[HoosierDirtFan]

VIDEO PART 2 OF THE ACCIDENT OFF OF THE STLRACING.COM forum website
Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFxS6ieK_Mo

[Highside Hustler25]

I don't see the big deal here! They had to push the car off the track anyway!! Jeez..

Have you ever tried to climb out of a Late Model, not alone with someone smacking into you while your part way out? Guarantee Shulte had a perfect view of him part way out when he struck the car.

[nuff said]

It still amazes me that a post calling Schulte an idiot stays up this long,but if it was,say....a house car driver it would if gone ''poof'' a long time ago.

[Highside Hustler25]

Ya ain't supposed to get out of you car, especially when it's being removed from the track!

Can't argue with that. Still doesn't condone what Shulte did.

[Kwd1253]

You usually agree with your views but am totally confused by your visions that Dauderman passed him dirty? Maybe in the past but not this time. Shulte was holding up more guys than Dauderman. I see passes like that all the time on 1/4 mile tracks. Don't give a guy like Dennis Erb that much room underneath. He'll stick it in there and pass you every time. That was not a dirty move. He was faster, got inside, and made the pass. If the was some sheet metal rubbing, that's dirt racing brother:)Well I did go over board saying dirty lol, I don't mind rubbing and hard racing long as your not trying take some them out. It wasn't dirty pass, he rubbed and nogged him out the way. not nothing I would wreck some for unless we been having it out. I dont see a pass like that make driver snap like that. MotoMatt and some others saying ban him for life, like the are regulars at highland and belle . If you don't know 100% the story you shouldnt say ban him for life or call one a idoit or moron. I group on dirt track see way worst from two rivals. What happen between them in the heat, dash, last month or last season. listen to crowd they was cheering like dauderman had that coming, only very few boo. Some people on here saying ban him for life need full story and facts before saying that. If you do then it means your not fan of mike or fan of bobby . Let's say this, if this was josh and casey at charlotte and josh started rubbing all over or spin casey. Then casey does what mike did, it be really hard me to not disagree to it. Since I know the history between them two.

[taylor2727]

Raced him for a couple of years now and it always ends with him hitting someone under yellow/red week in week out 6 races in at highland and been 5 altercations under caution involving him so where does the problem lie?

[Highside Hustler25]

No, but he did try to help move the show along. Ya gotta gi'em that.

Is there a rule saying one race car can't push another one off the track to help in clean up?

It was amazing how the car found it's way thru the infield without hitting anything. If one didn't know, they would think someone was in the car steering. Like someone else said, darn good setup. Who's the crew chief?

[Kwd1253]

VIDEO PART 2 OF THE ACCIDENT OFF OF THE STLRACING.COM forum websiteLink: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFxS6ieK_MoWhat you think dauderman said to him. he didn't look that mad Most drivers would of try to jump inside of the car lol.
Since he caused this wreck I think all he was doing was trying to move the night along by pushing the car of the track! What's wrong with that?That right trying make up for two bad dee with a good one.

[25drtrkr]

Is this the same Dauderman that ran the infamous Dynoman14 Crate engine?

[chupp n bloomer fan]

Well you haven't seen much then... sorry say that, like I said earlier "get it how you live and race" you race hard and dirty pushing someone out your way to get by on the 2nd lap. You going have a long night with that person you done it too, yes that is racing. He didnt try to pass him clean and sometimes that driver might not take it lightly to beat up and damage your car so early in a race. Dauderman try to be the bull and he got the horns turn on him. If what mike did makes you that enrage you need help. 1st it didn't happen to you 2nd that was not your equipment 3rd no one got hurt. Are sure you should be fan if you get enraged over that. I dint agree with neither one them specially mike. Why don't you investigate why did mike get so heated to do that. Them two been racing against each other for while. A man doesn't snap like that from hard racing, need look at their pass history at belle-chair and highland.I'm with Matt and HH on this one. That's a bullring, the guy is underneath you. You couldn't hold it down, so he got under you. You then try to run him into uke tires, and when that don't work, you brake and then turn him crashing other cars. And then the rest is just fukin dumb beyond comprehension. There is no way to justify this BS.

Pull up the video from 08' at Belle Clair. It took Korte awhile to pass him, no sooner did he pass him, this fukwad turned him too.

[chupp n bloomer fan]

It still amazes me that a post calling Schulte an idiot stays up this long,but if it was,say....a house car driver it would if gone ''poof'' a long time ago.You're going to compare a guy turning someone to a guy using his car as a dozer with people all around? And he was in the wrong for turning the guy, but then got all pi$$ed because he is a full blown IDIOT. Sorry, no comparison. And can we let that one go, we've done rehashed it a million times. Richards was wrong, he got a knuckle sandwich.

[Kwd1253]

Raced him for a couple of years now and it always ends with him hitting someone under yellow/red week in week out 6 races in at highland and been 5 altercations under caution involving him so where does the problem lie?Wow thanks Taylor be wanting to hear his pass history. ump let this go every time, their at more at fault than anyone how acts in car. He should be ban from racing any motor sports for 1-2 years. Then if that don't get his act clean then ban him for life. But have ump is biggest problem with this. A driver can go crazy on a track but if he punchs someone he gets suspended for 6 mths lol that sounds reasonable

[Kwd1253]

You're going to compare a guy turning someone to a guy using his car as a dozer with people all around? And he was in the wrong for turning the guy, but then got all pi$$ed because he is a full blown IDIOT. Sorry, no comparison. And can we let that one go, we've done rehashed it a million times. Richards was wrong, he got a knuckle sandwich.He might be one, but sounds like the track owner and ump are the biggest problem letting him act like idoit. Can't blame him for doing if you know you can get away with it.

[ClampedUp]

Well I did go over board saying dirty lol, I don't mind rubbing and hard racing long as your not trying take some them out. It wasn't dirty pass, he rubbed and nogged him out the way. not nothing I would wreck some for unless we been having it out. I dont see a pass like that make driver snap like that. MotoMatt and some others saying ban him for life, like the are regulars at highland and belle . If you don't know 100% the story you shouldnt say ban him for life or call one a idoit or moron. I group on dirt track see way worst from two rivals. What happen between them in the heat, dash, last month or last season. listen to crowd they was cheering like dauderman had that coming, only very few boo. Some people on here saying ban him for life need full story and facts before saying that. If you do then it means your not fan of mike or fan of bobby . Let's say this, if this was josh and casey at charlotte and josh started rubbing all over or spin casey. Then casey does what mike did, it be really hard me to not disagree to it. Since I know the history between them two.

Had the idiot knocked that driver out of his car and pushed it over top of him would you still be singing your same tune???
How about when that moron decided to plow into the car and push it and it ran over top of one of the many track workers there would you still be sticking up for the fool???
There is absolutely no room in motorsports for this kind of garbage.
Garbage being both the act and the person doing it!!

[nuff said]

c n b fan, I am not comparing anything about the two incidents..The mods take down anything negative toward Richards in record time,but someone else can be called an IDIOT over and over again and it stays up.That is the point I was trying to make.Sorry if I confused you.Idiotic move by Schulte under caution,but if you rough me up passing me like that whether it's on a bullring or half mile,I'm turning you around as soon as I get the chance.

[Kwd1253]

Had the idiot knocked that driver out of his car and pushed it over top of him would you still be singing your same tune???How about when that moron decided to plow into the car and push it and it ran over top of one of the many track workers there would you still be sticking up for the fool???There is absolutely no room in motorsports for this kind of garbage. Garbage being both the act and the person doing it!!Well that's the what IF'S, if I hit the power ball tonight I'll be rich... well I have said i don't agree to it. But there are times I have seen this type stuff happen and person had it coming. I didn't how mike gets away with it every time. So who is really to blame for actions to continue like this?

[plunks7]

Did the driver of the car being pushed get fined or suspended? That's how it works don't it?

He had to pay the other driver tow monies. :)

[Waldo]

Give him a 101, BUT DADDY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Kwd1253]

said it before UMP is a joke. Suspensions like rules are enforced by who it is. If someone gets run over rest assured they will be run over with Hoosier's LM 20 30s or 40s, past that UMP could care lessSo your saying if casey slap josh in the face with Hoosier's LM 20 30s or 40s he wouldn't have got suspended. Makes since to me.

[Highside Hustler25]

He had to pay the other driver tow monies. :)

Now that's good stuff:DDo you do a late show or just one per night:)

[SnakeX3]

I see passes like that all the time on 1/4 mile tracks. Don't give a guy like Dennis Erb that much room underneath. He'll stick it in there and pass you every time. That was not a dirty move. He was faster, got inside, and made the pass. If the was some sheet metal rubbing, that's dirt racing brother:) That was my take on it. I thought it was a great piece of driving to make that pass. I didn't think there was anything dirty about it in the least.

[JK4745]

No I don't know the past history between those two, but I don't care what past issues they've had with each other NOBODY should do what Shulte did for any reason. Hp I still say in the heat of the moment emotions take over. In my opinion a fist fight is way better than what happened in that video.

[PennDirt]

I still say in the heat of the moment emotions take over.

So true.

Sadly, suspensions or post-bannings couldn't have saved two tracks in western Pa. when two separate incidents of this unthinkable nature took place, similarly. Luckily, Highland is in the position to administer possible prevention -- and without much consequence.

It just sucks some of these occurrences fall under the 'too late' category. I'm sure no driver lines up thinking "I'll be the guy that gets this place closed for good." I would have never thought I'd live to see two tracks have this outcome, either.

[Clayton_Wetter]

I agree on TCB but just not attacking a moving racecar.

Some things at races are amazing like seeing a dog on a track wall at Richmond, KY. :D

And here it is!!!!:) I was there that night.

http://www.4m.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=53932&d=1432007496

[Clayton_Wetter]

VIDEO PART 2 OF THE ACCIDENT OFF OF THE STLRACING.COM forum website
Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFxS6ieK_Mo

Keep the sequels coming!!!! With the big Court Room finally!!!!

[swartzman]

That would have been one time I the nk I would not have stopped my dad from get ng his gun out.. Lol

[chupp n bloomer fan]

c n b fan, I am not comparing anything about the two incidents..The mods take down anything negative toward Richards in record time,but someone else can be called an IDIOT over and over again and it stays up.That is the point I was trying to make.Sorry if I confused you.Idiotic move by Schulte under caution,but if you rough me up passing me like that whether it's on a bullring or half mile,I'm turning you around as soon as I get the chance.He didn't rough him up lol. He got under him fair n square and the guy tried everything he could to run him off the track. And when that wasn't successful, he punted him and crapped his brains out. And he was an idiot, so he deserves it over and over. Richards pulled a dirty racing move, nothing about this was racing, it was idiotic. Do I agree they censor others more, of course, they give this site money.

Wasn't confused, you made an analogy that wasn't very good, but you cleared it up.

[superdirt]

So true.

Sadly, suspensions or post-bannings couldn't have saved two tracks in western Pa. when two separate incidents of this unthinkable nature took place, similarly. Luckily, Highland is in the position to administer possible prevention -- and without much consequence.

It just sucks some of these occurrences fall under the 'too late' category. I'm sure no driver lines up thinking "I'll be the guy that gets this place closed for good." I would have never thought I'd live to see two tracks have this outcome, either.

You are right. Challenger had a no-tolerance policy for this. Drivers were DQ'd for barely bumping each other under caution when they were upset. And what happened there still happened. It is a shame that the one that ended up closing Challenger did not go to jail for a period of time. That would have set precedence. If you would ram a car on the street and hit a bystander, you would go to jail. I don't know why some drivers think it is ok on a race track under non-racing conditions?! The jury in the Challenger case was WRONG!

[Chadly329]

I agree that the #27 should be punished severely, but the #18 should be punished also for getting out of the car. Even so, if I were in the #27 car I would've punted the #18 too, he was racing like a joker, the way he roughed his way in between the #27 car and the tires was unforgivable. Some retaliation was needed just not to that extent.

[klemmabyna]

Ironic?

http://highlandspeedway.com/2015/05/racing-is-on-for-may-16-2015/

Racing is on for May 16, 2015

The track looks good and weather forecast is dry for tonight. So come out and see some hot racing in all classes. We have Grapperhaus Night of Destruction tonight with our annual roll over contest. Added to the Grapperhaus Night of Destruction is the Smash a Car. No age limits – everyone can come and pick up a sledge hammer to hit a car. Blow off some stream and take off your frustration by demolishing a car. This event will be held before the races in front of the ticket booth.

It is also the second night of bicycle giveaway for Scott Credit Union JR Fan Club members. All children under 13 can sign up free for the Scott Credit Union JR Fan Club tonight and could ride off with a new bicycle.

Come out to the Highland Speedway tonight for a great evening!! They will be great racing, great giveaways, and a great special event.

[Kwd1253]

So the great special event was schulte and dauderman then

[stewart fan]

This is not an over 1 night it has built up over 4 years dauderman like rooting on people on the bottom to get by he had schultes back tires off the ground at Belleville a month ago what mike did was totally wrong but dauderman didnt want mike to get out of the car either he would have got his ass kicked I assure you of that.

[Matt49]

Aggravated assault and battery with a motor vehicle, a class 4 felony is what they charge you with if you did that on a street in Illinois but on a race track there it's called being a passionate racer. What a state!

It's only aggravated assault if the vehicle actually strikes somebody (thank God it didn't). But there is enough evidence there for a pretty solid charge of wanton endangerment or whatever they call it in Illinois when you knowingly and purposefully put the safety of people around you in imminent danger.
It's no different than walking into the grocery store and shooting a gun aimlessly and NOT hitting anyone. It's a crime and he should be charged so that a jury can sort it out.

[Matt49]

HP...thanks for clearing that up. I'm pretty sure in Indiana you actually have to strike someone for it to be assault and then "vehicular assault" falls under the "aggravated assault" along with any other assault with a weapon. Regardless, we agree this guy needs to be charged with something. How it's worded is of no consequence to me.

Taking a swing at somebody and pushing an out of control car around innocent bystanders are two very different things in my opinion. With the latter being much more irresponsible and reckless.

[ride height]

Ive been to this place once back in the 90's. Its "hillbilly factor" was low. The people running the place were nice ands its clean for an old fairgrounds type joint. Obviously somebody needs some anger management appointments. I race and i know the intensity level can get high. Ive been guilty of a good temper release myself, but holy crap, hes lucky he didnt really hurt someone. He needs a time out for a couple years. Totally out of bounds.

[Highside Hustler25]

Even so, if I were in the #27 car I would've punted the #18 too, he was racing like a joker, the way he roughed his way in between the #27 car and the tires was unforgivable.

and with that mindset, if you raced a late model, you'd be a back marker

[plunks7]

Ive been to this place once back in the 90's. Its "hillbilly factor" was low. The people running the place were nice ands its clean for an old fairgrounds type joint. Obviously somebody needs some anger management appointments. I race and i know the intensity level can get high. Ive been guilty of a good temper release myself, but holy crap, hes lucky he didnt really hurt someone. He needs a time out for a couple years. Totally out of bounds.

They don't always work. Like I have stated before. My anger management classes P I S S me off.:)

[chupp n bloomer fan]

and with that mindset, if you raced a late model, you'd be a back markerExactly. Small track like that, that 18 didn't do a dam thing wrong. He was under the guy, he has the line, don't try and run him into the uke tires etc. If you don't like how he passed you, pass him the same way back if you're fast enough. Not completely sh!t your brains out.

[Waldo]

There is no law or rule in the country that say's you can't wreck or punt someone under green flag conditions. Everyone who drives a racecar should know and understand this. Wait to the race is under green and then no holds bars.

[Waldo]

Yes you may get a black flag, but wait, I will slap you on the wrist for that!!!!!!!!!!

[ride height]

Obviously both parties were completely overcome with blind anger. Who rams a car with somebody half hanging out of it.? Who gets out of a car on the track with the Tony Stewart cluster fresh in our minds? Truth is if somebody were to get seriously hurt, you can bet your last buck after the lawyers had their way, this track would have been another in a string of track closings. Blind anger makes people do REALLY stupid things. The person who pushed the empty car around wrecklessly for sure needs a major vacation from racing. The guy who got out of his car on the track needs punished too. You just cant do that anymore.

[Waldo]

Go back and reread my post, I clearly said Green Flag Condition's. Maybe his brakes went out, get my drift.

[Waldo]

Here is what i'm saying.
27 spinning out 18 ok just a racing deal. Under GREEN
27 ramming car under CAUTION unacceptable
18 getting out of car under CAUTION unacceptable

[klemmabyna]

plunks7: "They don't always work. Like I have stated before. My anger management classes P I S S me off."

thank you for that!!! same as I thought for myself, as well as when tony stewart and the busch brothers had to enroll. at this point in my life i'm not sure anyone can fix my stupid. especially considering my negative opinion concerning "coun$eling".

[plunks7]

That was just a small bull ring pass....no crime. then another car was going to pass him that way too until he punted the 18. The BS all started with the punt. I still say as a driver if you have to punt people or jump out of your car and chase cars on foot cause you got punted, scraped up or pushed a little you need to take your car to a car show and sit in a lawn chair in front of it.

I watched Birky chase Landers on foot one year at I-80.

[plunks7]

How many of you would have had him arrested for this?

Since ya can't beat the the sht out of people like this anymore, I would have!

Bullsh!t.... I would have thrown my teeth in the air. And my pit crew guys know to catch them. As they know I'm going in swinging. Don't ask questions just start swinging.

[Kwd1253]

I watched Birky chase Landers on foot one year at I-80.Lol I remember that 2013, that was just a racing deal really..I had to go look it up, here the link for the full race on dod https://www.dirtondirt.com/video.php?watch=5119&year=2013#vid it happens around the 10:30 mark. That was some really good racing that night Gustin made a really hard charge that night from 34th

[plunks7]

Throw your teeth in the air???? You a grandpa or an ex hockey player???Whichever the case, I'm with you.........no sheriff needed.

Yes and I don't have any grand children.

[plunks7]

Anger management din't help you, meds made you worse! Ya ever try pissing on an electric fence? It has worked wonders for me!!! :)

I haven't tried that yet. But that might be the answer the Psychiatrist is looking for.

[Clayton_Wetter]

why do you folks excuse guys getting out of cars on the track?

Because it's a nanny state rule made by a bunch of gung ho people who love to feel important by making a new law every time they can get an opportunity too.

Many people still feel that personal responsibility is something a grown person has a right to. We don't need to be cradled to ours graves with new laws. Personal responsibility and freedoms are most important.

You want a new rule passed every time something happens then where do we wind up eventually?

Maybe some time a car gets hit or catches on fire and a poor sheeple had to sit in his race car and get injured or killed over that? Then what do you do?

Can a person even smoke a cigarette in the pits these days? lol

[IZZOJR16]

i agree with the overwhelming popular opinion on here. UMP should ban Schultes for a year and driver of the 18 car a couple of weeks.

[Clayton_Wetter]

Remember the days of the flagman walking on the track to wave the checker on qualifying or hot laps? I do cause I am old. It was all part of the show until a flag man got hit by a race car and got his body smashed through the roll cages of not one but two cars. This happen where I grew up in Michigan as a kid. The home of Ed Howe Tri City Motor Speedway around 1970 or 71
Dewey Retman was the driver of one car and a guy named Ruwlesky or something like that the other car that hit and killed the assistant flagman. They were running 6 cylinders I am pretty sure. I know that one driver quit driving that day and another driver I helped work on his stuff with his kids, who got me into racing, one of the toughest old guys you ever met, was so shaken up. I never forgot what it looked like afterwards. I vowed to never get out of a car on the track unless I was on fire, been on my lid twice wrecked a few dozen times or so but never on fire. Been about 45 years ago and NEVER got out of a wrecked car. By the way Dewey Retman was one of the greatest drivers I have ever seen.

I remember a flagman or two being on the track. And also seen a flag stand get knocked down too.

[SnakeX3]

Lol I remember that 2013, that was just a racing deal really..I had to go look it up, here the link for the full race on dod https://www.dirtondirt.com/video.php?watch=5119&year=2013#vid it happens around the 10:30 mark. OMG! That Birky interview afterwards was as good as the Owens interview at Knoxville last year. Thanks for the link. Watching the entire race.

[Highside Hustler25]

I watched Birky chase Landers on foot one year at I-80.

I watched a tow truck chase Birky one year at LaSalle

[plunks7]

Birky must have been on the track Team in High School. Either that or he must have been in trouble a lot!!!!

[Nasty55]

Birky must have been on the track Team in High School. Either that or he must have been in trouble a lot!!!!



Fukn Birky can run like a striped azzed ape thats for dammed sure lol...

[Nasty55]

Ok ive watched this video several times now and from what ive seen sure the 18 cars leaned hard on the 27 car coming out of what I'm assuming to be turn 4 and down the front stretch and then down the back straight the 27 car goes into stupid mode and thinks he should punt the 18 and ends up taking out a couple of other cars in the process which is BS... My take on the whole situation is that when the 18 car unbuckled and decided he was going to get out he automatically put himself into harms way not the 27.... Sure the 27 shouldn't of hit the 18 after the fact and yes it was criminal and dangerous and both drivers need suspended.... Dauderman not sure I spelled it right... For 30 days for getting out of his car and Shultz automatically 1 yr if not 2 for using his car as a weapon of destruction.... If UMP and these other sanctioning body's would grow a set and impose these infractions on everyone not just a few select people based on who they are and what they contribute to the sport then maybe just maybe some of these things wouldn't happen and these $$$$$$$$ High $$$$$$$ race cars wouldn't get torn up and people wouldn't get hurt.... Just some of my thoughts on this whole issue at hand...

[hygty]

yeah Schulte did wrong but I would be pissed to Dauderman was trying to pass him him on the apron on the front straight ,highlands facebook page they will post when UMP gives a ruling , its shame all this talk about the incident when they had a good weekly car count and a guy coming out of the semi almost winning , they both should get the same suspension