DoD Top 25

[W2Racing09]

I demand that the person who voted Scott Bloomquist as #1 on the Power Rankings no longer be contacted to vote in the Power Rankings. Not sure if they are looking at results from 2014 or something... but really.

For those who have not seen, Davenport is ranked #1 with 23 first place votes, and Bloomquist is ranked #2 with 1 first place vote.

Thanks,
Jeff.

[SLIDING SIDEWAYS]

Bloomer could have no wins and no top 5 but just cuz he shows up they still vote him # 1.

Like him or dislike him thats just how dlm racing is.

[W2Racing09]

Bloomer could have no wins and no top 5 but just cuz he shows up they still vote him # 1.

Like him or dislike him thats just how dlm racing is.

Even so, Bloomquist has never had a season like Davenport is having. You could take Bloomquist in the best year of his career and should still be cut and dry Davenport #1 and Bloomquist #2.

Thanks,
Jeff.

[Clayton_Wetter]

http://www.mugsysrapsheet.com/4blog/chyron-hannity-selective_outrage.jpg

[johnqpublic]

Can someone post the list? I would like to understand how Max Blair makes the top 25.

[W2Racing09]

Can someone post the list? I would like to understand how Max Blair makes the top 25.

The list does not really do much to explain why he is on the list. It just shows where they are on the list and how many votes they got. I would post it but I'm not entirely sure it wouldn't get deleted considering it is paid content from DoD.

Thanks,
Jef.f

[drano]

Even so, Bloomquist has never had a season like Davenport is having. You could take Bloomquist in the best year of his career and should still be cut and dry Davenport #1 and Bloomquist #2.

Thanks,
Jeff.

Really, Bloomquist has had many many seasons as good as Davenport you need to do a little research

[W2Racing09]

Really, Bloomquist has had many many seasons as good as Davenport you need to do a little research

Really? Bloomquist's best season is probably what... 2006? Judging from his stats page. A spectacular season where he won the Colossal 100 ($50k), the Dream ($100k), USA Nats ($40k), Topless ($45k) and the Mag 100 ($25k). Davenport has won the Dream ($100k), PDC ($26k), USA Nats ($50k), N/S 100 ($50k), Show Me ($30k), and Magnolia ($20k) and the season still has a ton of big events left (World, DTWC, Firecracker, Knoxville, etc). There have been seasons in which Bloomquist has won more races, but not Crown Jewel dominance like Davenport has had this season, and it isn't over yet.

Thanks,
Jeff.

[drano]

I agree there is many ways to judge one's year of dominance and I see yours is by "Crown Jewel's" but the career of dominance would have to go to Bloomquist the Rumleys have had a steller year no doubt and one that will go down in the record books but Scott has hand many years to match this one with wins Crown Jewels and championships

[UMPDream]

I demand that the person who voted Scott Bloomquist as #1 on the Power Rankings no longer be contacted to vote in the Power Rankings. Not sure if they are looking at results from 2014 or something... but really.

For those who have not seen, Davenport is ranked #1 with 23 first place votes, and Bloomquist is ranked #2 with 1 first place vote.

Thanks,
Jeff.

Question - If you take the $100k that was a result of 25lbs and flip it back to Scott, what are the earnings for this season for both?? Also, Scott has upped his game over the last few months so I can totally see how someone would give him a 1st place vote. They are looking at the Dream win as Scott winning the race. By years end you will see why that person gave him a first place vote.

[jog49]

Let's see.....Davenport was a legal weight and Bloomquist was not so what's all this "flipping back" BS?
While you are waiting.....here's your sign!

[Kwd1253]

Well if you go beinging of year to now jd #1 but dod does this every week. So, last week scott did better than jd.. so i can see why someone gave him a vote its week by week vote.. if its not about week by week ranking and goes by beginning of year to day. Then they shouldnt post a ranking every week. They should only do it once a mth, so dod needs clear that up. Or have wk to wk top 25, mth to mth top 25, year to end year top 25..

[SLIDING SIDEWAYS]

Jd's got bigger nads and holds pedal to floor

That right there deserves to be ranked #1

[Kwd1253]

But max being top 25 is bs, 95% of his wins are in crate. He only win in super ulms and 2 or 3 2nd place super wins????

[drano]

Jd's got bigger nads and holds pedal to floor

That right there deserves to be ranked #1

So you been checking them out have you.

[huskerdirt]

But max being top 25 is bs, 95% of his wins are in crate. He only win in super ulms and 2 or 3 2nd place super wins????

This I agree with.

[Josh Bayko]

But max being top 25 is bs, 95% of his wins are in crate. He only win in super ulms and 2 or 3 2nd place super wins????

He has won 13 super late model races so far this year, and over half of them are raised purse specials.

But, you're right, he has won a bunch of crate races too.

[153J]

the raised purse special at raceway7 max won on friday was over 8 other cars

[SLIDING SIDEWAYS]

So you been checking them out have you.

Ik that was coming after I posted it lol

I havent chkd them out or given a physical but i do know

[25drtrkr]

Jd's got bigger nads and holds pedal to floor

That right there deserves to be ranked #1

Surely you don't think that's all it takes to drive a dlm????

[Dirt Racing #1]

I do believe JD should have got all #1 votes. He is definetly having a better season then Bloomer. With that being said. Still have a lot of big races left. I believe Bloomquist has been running really good lately. He has a good chance to win a few more big races this year. . But I really cant see Bloomer over taking the #1 spot. Unless he just runs the table. Which is a little unrealistic.

[Dirt Racing #1]

Also, Bloomquist has a ton top of 5's in a lot of crown jewels through out his career. Its definetly not the same as a win. But he is up front often at the end. I am getting of the subject of this year. Sorry

[SLIDING SIDEWAYS]

Surely you don't think that's all it takes to drive a dlm????


Lol thats a good start for driver qualifications!

[Dirt Racing #1]

Lol thats a good start for driver qualifications!ImoAll dirt track drivers late model/ sprints/mods etc have a big pair. When you think what could wrong while racing.

[Car Biz]

Davenport definatly deserves to be #1

Just out of curiosity I wonder in the past 5 years heck 10 years
I bet bloomy has had almost as many 2nds as wins

[Highside Hustler25]

I would have to say ranking Blair ahead of the likes of ...

McCreadie
Carrier
Francis
Linville
Heckenast
Moran
Junghans

is unjustified.
I guess it's all about the wins.

If Blair ran the schedule the above mentioned guys ran, that win total would be a whole lot different.

Oh well, what are rankings anyway??

[Kwd1253]

He has won 13 super late model races so far this year, and over half of them are raised purse specials. But, you're right, he has won a bunch of crate races too.So the ones that dont say crate are super races?

[Josh Bayko]

So the ones that dont say crate are super races?

Yeah, most of them are. I'll admit the competition he's beating in the super isn't exactly the toughest out there, but his winning percentage against it is ridiculous. I'm not even a fan of him, but the kid is a definite wheelman, and he's only going to get better.

[MontanaMagic1619*]

You're right Hustler, all those rankings are subjective, and to only a handful of people at DOD, and IMO, they only rank these guys by what they have done lately instead of the total body of work for the whole year which I endorse

JD has already been the driver of the year with Clanton a close second in my humble opinion, the Blair kid is basically a crate driver and in the years ahead he could be a successful late model driver, but to rank him ahead of a slew of drivers that we all know are better this year is not what I endorse

[Kwd1253]

Yeah max having great year on the level of field running against "not downing him on that", its not easy get all them wins he has no matter what level the other driver are. But still couldnt give him top 25, when other drivers are racing the best every wkend.

[25drtrkr]

IMO, that poll is a total joke! I like Owens and Richards, but to put Owens ahead of Josh is ridiculous. Regional drivers ahead of national drivers??? I have very little faith in their pollsters! ( I think its ran by Democrats!)

[Bubstr]

DOD top 25 is a popularity contest that gets a few right, now and then. Now my rating system, wipes the slate clean after every race. Win the race, enjoy the 15 minutes of fame and your number 1 till the next race. At the end of the year, add up the money won, subtract the money spent and highest number wins.

[Kwd1253]

Hustler it give us some thite talk about. Also tells us they was smoking good chit at the voting. Maybe thid how scott got one vote lol....voter 1" voter 2, bro you put scott #1". Voter 2 "(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word), i did meant JD #1". Voter 15 "you going change that?". Voter 2 " no!". Voter 15 "why not". Voter 2 " Im too high to change it, i so got the munchs right now!". Voter 20 " me too bro, lets hurry up pick last top 25". Voter 9 " i got a good one lol, MAX BLAIR!!!". All voters " lol, haha, that sounds good to me, lets go munch some where" Voter 2 "SHOTGUN!!! bill on voter 6"..... It had go like that in there vote meeting

[SLIDING SIDEWAYS]

Hustler it give us some thite talk about. Also tells us they was smoking good chit at the voting. Maybe thid how scott got one vote lol....voter 1" voter 2, bro you put scott #1". Voter 2 "(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word), i did meant JD #1". Voter 15 "you going change that?". Voter 2 " no!". Voter 15 "why not". Voter 2 " Im too high to change it, i so got the munchs right now!". Voter 20 " me too bro, lets hurry up pick last top 25". Voter 9 " i got a good one lol, MAX BLAIR!!!". All voters " lol, haha, that sounds good to me, lets go munch some where" Voter 2 "SHOTGUN!!! bill on voter 6"..... It had go like that in there vote meeting



Lmao! thats funny there kwd. Good job now go smoke more lol

[klemmabyna]

don't have DoD to look at the rankings, but doesn't matter. I am aware of a few who do have votes and am not impressed by the credentials/requirements. that being said, any voter who has bloomquist at #1 doesn't deserve a vote. and creates a credibility issue for the rankings.

jmo.

[Okfine]

You're right Hustler, all those rankings are subjective, and to only a handful of people at DOD, and IMO, they only rank these guys by what they have done lately instead of the total body of work for the whole year which I endorse

JD has already been the driver of the year with Clanton a close second in my humble opinion, the Blair kid is basically a crate driver and in the years ahead he could be a successful late model driver, but to rank him ahead of a slew of drivers that we all know are better this year is not what I endorse

Dude, it's like when you post I hear the angels singing in approval in the background.

Your posts make so much sense, are well thought out and you clearly have the knowledge.

Thanks for all that you share with this site.

[W2Racing09]

There should be a contest every year for 4m to vote for a forum representative to get a vote on the DoD rankings (and maybe with it a free sub to DoD). I would vote MontanaMagic for sure. I agree Okfine, his posts are always on point.

[Kwd1253]

Lmao! thats funny there kwd. Good job now go smoke more lolSh!t, okfine needs share the goods he is the one that hearing angels singing to him as he reads post lol...

[Pennsboro23]

Jared Hawkins should be in the top 25.

[drano]

Sh!t, okfine needs share the goods he is the one that hearing angels singing to him as he reads post lol...

Black crows maybe

[MontanaMagic1619*]

Dam OKfine, angels singing, I hardly think so, but I appreciate where you're comin from, I just dig this sport, and I wouldn't usually comment on these so called rankings because I think they've been ( different ) all year, for lack of a better adjective. Makes me wonder sometimes if these people take the "whole " country in account when they do these rankings; it reminds me of a few years ago when they ranked the best state in the country for DLM racing. In my opinion there's at least a dozen or so states that are about the same when it comes to popularity of this sport. You could say that Pa, Ohio, Ill, Ia, Mo, Wisc, Tenn, Ky, SC, NC, Ga, Va, and even WVa ( and yes, and that's for my old beloved Pennsboro ) as states that support dirt late model racing, to me, you CANNOT pick just one, and that's the point I'm making about the top 25 in the country, just be thankful we got a race to go to in this country.

[Josh Bayko]

Jared Hawkins should be in the top 25.

I agree. If Blair is on it, then Hawkins should be too.

[Highside Hustler25]

You're right Hustler, all those rankings are subjective, and to only a handful of people at DOD, and IMO, they only rank these guys by what they have done lately instead of the total body of work for the whole year which I endorse

JD has already been the driver of the year with Clanton a close second in my humble opinion, the Blair kid is basically a crate driver and in the years ahead he could be a successful late model driver, but to rank him ahead of a slew of drivers that we all know are better this year is not what I endorse

I believe DOD brought on board some new voters this year Montana. Maybe that's why these rankings seem little strange.

Lanigan ahead of Eckert and Chub have me scratchin my head along with Owens in the 3 spot. Clearly Richards and Clanton especially, are having a better year than Jimmy.
I would also have McDowell ranked higher than 16th. He doesn't run weekly, but every big race he enters, He's a contender.

Either way, I still enjoy everything DOD does for the sport even tho the rankings have me wondering, who did the voting:confused:

DOD's Top 25

JD
Bloomer
Owens
Clanton
Richards
Moyer
Weaver
Ferguson
Babb
Marlar
Stovall
Erb
Pearson
BShep
Roberts
McDowell
Landers
Feger:cool:
Moyer Jr.
Lanigan
Oneal
Frank
Pierce
Eckert
Blair

[MUD MAESTRO]

Remember a few years ago DOD ranked Brian Birkhofer in the top 10 in one of their early polls. Heck, he never ran a race and still was voted high in their poll. Had to laugh, I guess DOD felt Birky didnt have any bad outtings so lets rank him for what is does in the future.

BTW Which state was picked by DOD as best state for DLM racing? Must have missed that one.

[huskerdirt]

30 different opinions.... 30 different sets of eyes...... 30 different sets of criteria.

[onlyfacts]

This poll is meaningless... It has no rhyme or reason. When it first started it was fairly accurate with only a few voters. Now it has clearly become nothing more than a popularity poll.An idea for DOD for a poll that would put drivers in an order that would make since would be off of money won...1 point for every dollar won. Maybe DOD could hire Montana to put that together for them for a poll that would have some creditability.

[MontanaMagic1619*]

I appreciate your comment onlyfacts, but I don't think DOD would want me to do anything for them, they have their own little clique, and I don't think I'd fit in, besides, I got a lot of friends on here that I love supplying information to that keeps me happy.

And Maestro, the state was Illinois, which I have no problem with, but my point was there's other states that are just as big on dirt late model racing as the Land of Lincoln. And isn't DOD based out of Illinois......hmmm :)

[Okfine]

Dam OKfine, angels singing, I hardly think so, but I appreciate where you're comin from, I just dig this sport, and I wouldn't usually comment on these so called rankings because I think they've been ( different ) all year, for lack of a better adjective. Makes me wonder sometimes if these people take the "whole " country in account when they do these rankings; it reminds me of a few years ago when they ranked the best state in the country for DLM racing. In my opinion there's at least a dozen or so states that are about the same when it comes to popularity of this sport. You could say that Pa, Ohio, Ill, Ia, Mo, Wisc, Tenn, Ky, SC, NC, Ga, Va, and even WVa ( and yes, and that's for my old beloved Pennsboro ) as states that support dirt late model racing, to me, you CANNOT pick just one, and that's the point I'm making about the top 25 in the country, just be thankful we got a race to go to in this country.

Clearly not a literal term with the " angels singing" comment, but just the point of all of this back and forth( much of it complete BS) and then you come rolling in here with great facts, great insight and even greater information.

Every single time.

[Okfine]

Sh!t, okfine needs share the goods he is the one that hearing angels singing to him as he reads post lol...

Only Montanas posts..........most of the time I'm hearing Aerosmith......" Same old song and dance"

Look at the good side though, at least I'm not hearing" voices" as do many of 4ms finest.

Just sayin.

[SDLM Rankings]

In my humble opinion; if I were still doing the American DLM Rankings I could easily end this debate. My rankings were very objective...

[Okfine]

In my humble opinion; if I were still doing the American DLM Rankings I could easily end this debate. My rankings were very objective...
Yahtzee!!!!!!!!

[waaac77]

In the World, Dream, DTWC, USA Nats and the N/S alone Bloomer has 18 second place finishes over the years. Pretty impressive but to me the standings should be for this year alone. Bloomer illegally won the Dream so the fact that he won then got DQd should carry no weight whatsoever. He finished 28th in that race or whatever last place is because his car wasn't within the rules like everyone elses. These rankings on DoD are kind of cool but when they start adding guys who don't even race against the big guys how can you rank them? That's like some D2 football team getting in the AP top 25, makes no sense! To rank the best just look at what happens at Eldora, Florence, Cedar Lake and Portsmouth and how they finish. If you don't show up to any of those races you shouldn't be included plain and simple.

[Nasty55]

In my humble opinion; if I were still doing the American DLM Rankings I could easily end this debate. My rankings were very objective...



You sir were very fair and spot on with your rankings that's for sure. I wish either you or Montana would start doing some again.

[Kwd1253]

Only Montanas posts..........most of the time I'm hearing Aerosmith......" Same old song and dance"Look at the good side though, at least I'm not hearing" voices" as do many of 4ms finest.Just sayin.Haha yeah you right about that....
In my humble opinion; if I were still doing the American DLM Rankings I could easily end this debate. My rankings were very objective...Wish you would start posting them, yours was much better and closer than dod. Yours made hell of lot more since specially in on the point system. Where do you have blair sitting at? Im sure in crates he in top 10 or 5, but super i dont see him in your top 25.

[Highside Hustler25]

In my humble opinion; if I were still doing the American DLM Rankings I could easily end this debate. My rankings were very objective...

Your rankings were a good read:)




the big question is...






Where is Devon Moran ranked:D

[25drtrkr]

In my humble opinion; if I were still doing the American DLM Rankings I could easily end this debate. My rankings were very objective...

I always felt your poll was more fair and objective!.......You would be welcomed back, anytime!

[drano]

Do we even need a ranking I mean if you keep up with racing you pretty much know how things are running and who is winning the most.

[BerckFan]

Do we even need a ranking I mean if you keep up with racing you pretty much know how things are running and who is winning the most.

Sure we need the rankings, we have three pages of proof right here! ;) Keeps people talking....

The rankings are't easy, I get that, but there has to be some bias in place in this weeks poll (which there shouldn't be) I don't have a problem with ranking Blair (I wouldn't have) but it's fine, I do see an issue with Owens being 3rd and Bloomquist getting a first place vote, that seems asinine considering all that Davenport has done. Be interesting to see how long that voter sticks with that vote IF Bloomquist doesn't win and Davenport or Richards does.

[RiffRaf67]

Dont need no rankings thingys, we are gonna settle this the old fashioned way here in 17 days:
The A-Main starting line up at the World100 will be the top 25 (30) late models in the country.

[Bubstr]

These ranking do create interest. I think we all can agree that, they are not exactly accurate and mostly for bragging rights. I have a problem with the criteria for the rankings, for some. If a regional driver races 5 times for $5k and wins, did he make less money than a national driver that won a $20k race? (for math impaired, he did not) He sometimes works harder for the $3k win, than a 10k win. It would be interesting to see a list, that gave a point for a dollar on all pay days over $2k, even if it was a 2k to start race. Even make it 1k, that's about break even point for fuel to get there on average. Then have a list for crates and one for limited LM, because they don't run together usually.

[Clayton_Wetter]

Jd's got bigger nads and holds pedal to floor

That right there deserves to be ranked #1

http://images.sodahead.com/polls/003243387/548628241_345593008_Youre_Kidding_Right_answer_3_x large_answer_3_xlarge.jpeg

[SDLM Rankings]

These ranking do create interest. I think we all can agree that, they are not exactly accurate and mostly for bragging rights. I have a problem with the criteria for the rankings, for some. If a regional driver races 5 times for $5k and wins, did he make less money than a national driver that won a $20k race? (for math impaired, he did not) He sometimes works harder for the $3k win, than a 10k win. It would be interesting to see a list, that gave a point for a dollar on all pay days over $2k, even if it was a 2k to start race. Even make it 1k, that's about break even point for fuel to get there on average. Then have a list for crates and one for limited LM, because they don't run together usually.
The aDLMr did exactly what you prescribed above, but more. I did not account for local shows because gathering those stats would be extremely time consuming plus a lot tracks are terrible at publishing results (some series are too). I decided to stop the aDLMr because it was fairly time consuming, and even though I really enjoy DLM racing, I could no longer justify the time I spent doing it without getting any sort compensation or adrenaline rush.


DoD claims to have statistician extraordinaire. He likely a good dude, but his in-depth stats are often just scratching the surface. If their stat man is as good as they claim he is then he should create a ranking system that is superior to their current Top 25. DoD is great website, however some of their weekly articles could use some overhauling and a real ranking with some hardcore stats could be the answer.

[BerckFan]

The aDLMr did exactly what you prescribed above, but more. I did not account for local shows because gathering those stats would be extremely time consuming plus a lot tracks are terrible at publishing results (some series are too). I decided to stop the aDLMr because it was fairly time consuming, and even though I really enjoy DLM racing, I could no longer justify the time I spent doing it without getting any sort compensation or adrenaline rush.


DoD claims to have statistician extraordinaire. He likely a good dude, but his in-depth stats are often just scratching the surface. If their stat man is as good as they claim he is then he should create a ranking system that is superior to their current Top 25. DoD is great website, however some of their weekly articles could use some overhauling and a real ranking with some hardcore stats could be the answer.

I agree with some factual info being added as part of the criteria, or a the very least some specific guidlines/criteria for the voters to follow. With that said, imo the human element still needs to be a part of any poll.

[Dirtfan04]

I agree with some factual info being added as part of the criteria, or a the very least some specific guidlines/criteria for the voters to follow. With that said, imo the human element still needs to be a part of any poll.

oooooops!!! Better reconsider that one voters opinion following the results of last nights race in PPMS. He might have been smarter than everyone.

[Dirt Racing #1]

Bloomquist needs to win a lot more races this season. To be able take over #1I am Bloomer fan. JD for sure deserves ranked #1. right now

[Dirtfan04]

Not necessarily, the poll is about who is best each week, not averaged over the entire year. That's why they re-vote every week. Otherwise they would just have one poll at the end of the season. I'm not saying one driver is definitely a clear cut #1 over the other, but I would say that the competition is now much tighter given the results of the last 3 races. Certainly don't think its applicable to indicate that someone who doesn't think that JD is #1 at this particular point in time should be fired given the recent results.

[Dirt Racing #1]

Not necessarily, the poll is about who is best each week, not averaged over the entire year. That's why they re-vote every week. Otherwise they would just have one poll at the end of the season. I'm not saying one driver is definitely a clear cut #1 over the other, but I would say that the competition is now much tighter given the results of the last 3 races. Certainly don't think its applicable to indicate that someone who doesn't think that JD is #1 at this particular point in time should be fired given the recent results.did't know it went week by week. But still even ifbloomquist keeps winning and JD runs top 3 regularly. Going to be hard put bloomer above Jd. Unless bloomer wins all of crown jewels remaining

[Flathead]

I think the bottom line is the DoD staff is mainly just some armchair racers like us with just a little more computer savvy. They had Moyer Jr. in the top 25 after he got his feelings hurt and quit (retired). Moyer Sr. can take a few weeks off and still be on the top 25. Either way they do a good job and I think their website is good for the sport. It's money well spent in my opinion.

[Pennsboro23]

Not necessarily, the poll is about who is best each week, not averaged over the entire year. That's why they re-vote every week. Otherwise they would just have one poll at the end of the season. I'm not saying one driver is definitely a clear cut #1 over the other, but I would say that the competition is now much tighter given the results of the last 3 races. Certainly don't think its applicable to indicate that someone who doesn't think that JD is #1 at this particular point in time should be fired given the recent results.

To my knowledge, the poll isn't about week to week. It's a reflection of what you have done the entire year. Just like a college football or basketball poll.

[COKEandaSMILE]

To my knowledge, the poll isn't about week to week. It's a reflection of what you have done the entire year. Just like a college football or basketball poll.

If you pay attention to how quickly a driver can jump up in the standings aftera good run or two you may have a different opinion.

To go along with your college football theory,,,,,, never would the number 2 team beat the no.1 team twice, in consecutive weeks no less and retain the number 1 spot.

[BerckFan]

It's definately an interesting debate, if ya really want to throw a wrench into it, run the poll like the World Golf Rankings runs theirs. Instead of debating whether Bloomquist should be ranked 1st over Davenport, we would be debating Daveport over Bloomquist, and theirs a possibility Davenport wouldn't even be ranked in the top 5 yet as those rankings go back something like 2 years, but are weighted to majors and recent results I believe. If I remember correctly, it took what seemed like forever to knock Tiger off the #1 spot like 5 years ago.

[Kwd1253]

Well berck that why i dont watch golf, that ranking sucks. You might as well have bcs late model poll over that.

[BerckFan]

Never said it was a great way of doing it, but it obviously works for them. There are similarities between golf and racing that can be applied here. Pro Tours (2-3 major ones in golf)/WoO & Lucas, lesser known regional tours, majors/crown jewels, exemptions/provisionals etc., and instances of golfers/drivers competing at the same time in different places throughout the year. Just spitballin, not everything's gonna be gold. :)

[Pennsboro23]

If you pay attention to how quickly a driver can jump up in the standings aftera good run or two you may have a different opinion.

To go along with your college football theory,,,,,, never would the number 2 team beat the no.1 team twice, in consecutive weeks no less and retain the number 1 spot.

The number 1 has beat the number 2 numerous times this year. Therefor he stays at number 1. If it went week by week, Scott would be number 1 this week, but he's not. Davenport holds on to number 1 because of the season he has had to this point. Think about it.

[COKEandaSMILE]

That's a fair point, I'm not disputing the top 2 in the ranking.

The college football theory was thrown into the conversation. Under that form, how often does the next seed down defeat the upper seed and still keep its ranking???? That's all I'm getting at.

And again,,,, I have no problem with the dod order, it's s conversation piece, and apparently it's working.

[25drtrkr]

I don't give much credence to this poll. How do you put 5 regional drivers in the top 10? I would think the top 10 should all be national tour drivers. Then they have Erb, 6th in points and 1 Lucas win, in front of Epj who is 4th in points and 4 wins. I don't see any continuity.

I would like to see their scoring system they use.......but from what I see, they don't have one!

[huskerdirt]

I don't give much credence to this poll. How do you put 5 regional drivers in the top 10? I would think the top 10 should all be national tour drivers. Then they have Erb, 6th in points and 1 Lucas win, in front of Epj who is 4th in points and 4 wins. I don't see any continuity.

I would like to see their scoring system they use.......but from what I see, they don't have one!

There really isn't a scoring system..... It's an opinion poll..... 30 different ones. After they are all tabulated, this is what it spits out. They get 25 points for a first place vote, 24 for 2nd, 23 for 3rd and so on. It's no different than the college football/basketball polls. The issue is that everybody has a little different criteria on how they vote. Some probably wipe it clean after each week and others measure it over a season.

At this point there is no disputing who should be number 1. After that we could debate every spot all the way through the poll.

[25drtrkr]

There really isn't a scoring system..... It's an opinion poll..... 30 different ones. After they are all tabulated, this is what it spits out. They get 25 points for a first place vote, 24 for 2nd, 23 for 3rd and so on. It's no different than the college football/basketball polls. The issue is that everybody has a little different criteria on how they vote. Some probably wipe it clean after each week and others measure it over a season.

At this point there is no disputing who should be number 1. After that we could debate every spot all the way through the poll.

That's the problem.....not using any stats to form an opinion!

You know what they say about......opinions! LOL

[huskerdirt]

That's the problem.....not using any stats to form an opinion!

You know what they say about......opinions! LOL

Yes..... Lol. That's why this is being discussed on here.

You don't have to peel the onion back to far to find out who is voting in the poll. Whether they are all using the same data or not.... The human element usually is the deciding factor on where they end up in the poll.

[hausman]

I make every Fantasy Late Model Pock based on DOD - and I'm in 1st again. Thanks DOD!

[hausman]

There's no debate - Davenport is #1 and Bloomquist is catching him as of today. If Bloomy wins The World and Knoxville then he's back to #1 regardless of where JD finishes. 3 - Owens duh… 4 - Richards; 5 - put them in hat…

[LMPunk]

Owens ahead of Clanton is kind of a head-scratcher for me. Clanton's got a pile of wins so far while Jimmy's got one more win than me since January.

[hausman]

Its where they are now not where they were - I love Clanton but he lost his mojo sometime in July.

[zyoung25]

At this time.....I would put Marlar in that 5 spot. He won and straight up beat bloomer at the pond a few weeks ago and has ran inside the top 5 just about every race since switching cars. Take away those flat tars he's had, he would've been there already I'd say. I don't know where he's even at on the list as of now.

[LMPunk]

Its where they are now not where they were - I love Clanton but he lost his mojo sometime in July.

Or Richards found his.

[hausman]

Agree with Marler thought! Can't wait for all these boys to saddle them up in Eldora!

[huskerdirt]

I don't understand how Owens could be #3 win 1 national tour win and be ahead of 2 guys that have a combined 19 national wins.

Perhaps alittle bias in the opinion poll.

[hausman]

Wonder if we can figure out how they each did in races where they all competed…OR - I'll bet on Owens in every race where they are in the same race..

[lb_sa]

Moyer has been running very strong lately as well.

I'd put Owens behind JD, Bloomer, Clanton, Richards, Moyer, and Marlar. Maybe even Weaver.

[hausman]

I will take that bet Sir!

[BerckFan]

Its where they are now not where they were - I love Clanton but he lost his mojo sometime in July.

Just curious hausman, and don't take this wrong, but, who says its where they are now and not where they were? I guarantee there are voters in this poll that vote on their season long accomplishments.

And if Clanton indeed does win WoO points, is that not worth something in the poll? Eventhough that's a season long acconplishment? Just sayin...:)