Rule changes must be considered carefully

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If either or both of the two national Late Model series make any rule changes, they have a lot to consider before doing so.

[Josh Bayko]

If the Lucas series were to change the rules and WoO/UMP did not, it could be very detrimental to Lucas (and vice versa). I could see that happening, too. Davenport runs the Lucas series, those are the guys whining the loudest.

[Bubstr]

If changing the rules was c;ear cut right thing to do, they would have done it at the PIR show. They dn't change them because they know, their, save money reason was weak at best. They don't have the guts to outlaw most of the things that really add up to big costs. They think they can afford to piss off one race team, but not all the established vendors.

If a rule goes threw, that excludes one teams technology, who would try to develop any new tech, costly or not? If you can't build a better mouse trap, why play the game? It will dumb down DLM racing as a whole. The real costs will be to get that expensive .010 second out of a overly restricted car, just like NASCAR. The racing would more than likly suffer also, with all cars the same cookie cutter cars, limiting any passing.

Why not just go back to truck arm suspension, no gas shocks, production blocks and heads, and one harder than Superman's knee cap tire.

[hucktyson]

It's hypoticritical that all of you clowns loved it when they took away bloomers shocks ... If bloomer was allowed to keep his shocks davensnort would have been racing for second with his left rear . If your going to let snort run the left rear then let bloomer run his shocks. There's 50 million combinations available with a standard 4 link suspensions and no need for anything beyond that

[SLIDING SIDEWAYS]

It's hypoticritical that all of you clowns loved it when they took away bloomers shocks ... If bloomer was allowed to keep his shocks davensnort would have been racing for second with his left rear . If your going to let snort run the left rear then let bloomer run his shocks. There's 50 million combinations available with a standard 4 link suspensions and no need for anything beyond that

Your a clown!

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

It's hypoticritical that all of you clowns loved it when they took away bloomers shocks ... If bloomer was allowed to keep his shocks davensnort would have been racing for second with his left rear . If your going to let snort run the left rear then let bloomer run his shocks. There's 50 million combinations available with a standard 4 link suspensions and no need for anything beyond that

Bloomers deal was an extremely expensive bolt-on, that the average guy couldn't build. No comparison at all. Aithough, I believe Rumley deal would have been a cheap way to gain on that inerter and make it less of an advantage.

And bloomer wouldn't still be dominating. All the cars would just cost that 18k more.

[Barbecueboy]

Your an a ss clown!

There ya go.......fixed it for you.

And yes........he is.

[hucktyson]

If we're not going to allow inerters why don't we just go back to off the shelf Monroe truck shocks and multi stack leaf rears with steel wheels ???? It's your same stupid argument . You guys fighting for advanced technology act like if the device stays legal your going to go lap davensnort with his own set up. The local guy has a much better chance of staying competitive if you limit things like they have discussed

[SLIDING SIDEWAYS]

Bloomers deal was an extremely expensive bolt-on, that the average guy couldn't build. No comparison at all. Aithough, I believe Rumley deal would have been a cheap way to gain on that inerter and make it less of an advantage.

And bloomer wouldn't still be dominating. All the cars would just cost that 18k more.

There you go! Thank you!

[SLIDING SIDEWAYS]

There ya go.......fixed it for you.

And yes........he is.


Thank you too BBQ!

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

If we're not going to allow inerters why don't we just go back to off the shelf Monroe truck shocks and multi stack leaf rears with steel wheels ???? It's your same stupid argument . You guys fighting for advanced technology act like if the device stays legal your going to go lap davensnort with his own set up. The local guy has a much better chance of staying competitive if you limit things like they have discussed

Rumleys device is not advanced technology. And inerters have very limited use in motorsports. We should avoid extremely expensive gadgets. We should not stifle creativity. I was looking forward to this season more than any ever. All the stuff people were trying was very interesting to me.

Your last line does not apply to me personally at all. I made gains this year simply making something that I knew would produce the same visual effects of the Rumley device. I hadn't even see pictures of it yet.

[Kwd1253]

It's hypoticritical that all of you clowns loved it when they took away bloomers shocks ... If bloomer was allowed to keep his shocks davensnort would have been racing for second with his left rear . If your going to let snort run the left rear then let bloomer run his shocks. There's 50 million combinations available with a standard 4 link suspensions and no need for anything beyond thatWell if you do that let scott have his 15-18k, they wouldnt stop there. Someone would do more tec stuff to it and run it up to 20k. The say Rumley started to add his gadget on it run it up more 22-25k. I think lucas and woo are doing so far not it turn in to nascrap. What local wkend racer can will be able buy that, top founded regional driver would have problems buying that. How much is the over head to maintain it or rebuild the system. But if lucas and woo really worry about cost of racing for wkend racers and regional drivers? I think they should talk all regional tours promotion go to limited motor, if you got a top engine builder it only run 15-20k and you can buy 2 of price of top end open motor. If you want run against nation tour or crown jewel, when they go to a track you know you can run with or beat them. You buy one top end open motor or build one. Or simple everyone go to a limited motor package that not going cost you 30-45k to buy one. But I don't ever won't see super late models go nascrap way.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

Its funny when the guys who are used to just buying speed get upset when it is all sold out!

[Kromulous]

Bloomquist's use of an inerter was creative, not his fault its so expensive. He races for a living, supporting his family, and retirement, he has to look for the best fix and easiest to implement and win.

Rumley device is creative as well, does it need banned? i don't know, if, and its a big dam if, Lucas is concerned about costs of DLM racing they may be inclined too ban it. Although i don't think it would be that expensive to produce.

Lucas would could save the costs of the above combined by simply banning wide bore engines.

[hucktyson]

You can't ban spread bores now , just make them add 50lb ahead of the radiator ... Lol

[Josh Bayko]

Bloomquist's use of an inerter was creative, not his fault its so expensive. He races for a living, supporting his family, and retirement, he has to look for the best fix and easiest to implement and win.

Rumley device is creative as well, does it need banned? i don't know, if, and its a big dam if, Lucas is concerned about costs of DLM racing they may be inclined too ban it. Although i don't think it would be that expensive to produce.

Lucas would could save the costs of the above combined by simply banning wide bore engines.

Considering they're all running all spread bore stuff now, banning it would require everybody to completely scrap their engine program in favor of a new one. That would be the most expensive thing they could do.

[FlatTire]

Playing devils advocate here......if everybody had a rumley device there would be no advantage, Just more money spent. So in the end all you did was drive up the cost to compete. The same can be said for soft tires, expensive shocks, and widebore motors

[let-r-eat]

Who thinks any of these rules sanctioning bodies or sponsors of are interested in making racing cheaper for the weekend racer?

These series's are owned by people who sell parts, and lots of them.

My take is that they will outlaw anything that they don't have the right to sell themselves.

[Highside Hustler25]

If changing the rules was c;ear cut right thing to do, they would have done it at the PIR show. They dn't change them because they know, their, save money reason was weak at best. They don't have the guts to outlaw most of the things that really add up to big costs. They think they can afford to piss off one race team, but not all the established vendors.

Gotta agree. If something was gonna be done, it would of been set in stone at the trade show.

They need to just let this Rumley/Davenport thing play itself out. A year from now we'll be talkin about someone else's hot streak. Comparable to JD's? No way, but someone else will get a edge and get on a roll. It has historically played out that way and will continue into the future.

[Josh Bayko]

The Lucas rules are official. The new suspension rules more or less restrict you to a straight 4 link and that's it. They have also added a provision that they can outlaw anything they want if you manage to come up with a new mousetrap within their very strict rules. It's garbage.

If WoO/UMP are smart, they leave their rules alone.

[profab00]

Lucas was the bigger fish on the rules. Not sure UMP ever techs other than weight and most of the smaller tours are following the lead of lolm

[profab00]

And I agree 100% with Mastersbilt on this one

[davis2902]

The Lucas rules are official. The new suspension rules more or less restrict you to a straight 4 link and that's it. They have also added a provision that they can outlaw anything they want if you manage to come up with a new mousetrap within their very strict rules. It's garbage.

If WoO/UMP are smart, they leave their rules alone.

What's truly funny is that according to the NEW LOLMDS rules you HAVE TO run the LR spring behind the rear end. So if you literally put your 4-bar setup on the car as run in mid 90's you would be illegal. If its about money put the spring in front on 1 shock. Series directors want to keep the NARSCAR engineers out but they are acting like NASCAR directors in the process. This is the stupidest rule change ever.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

Playing devils advocate here......if everybody had a rumley device there would be no advantage, Just more money spent. So in the end all you did was drive up the cost to compete. The same can be said for soft tires, expensive shocks, and widebore motors
There are no additional shocks. A couple bump stops. Really no cost to speak of. Cheaper than going from leaf to 4 bar.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

What's truly funny is that according to the NEW LOLMDS rules you HAVE TO run the LR spring behind the rear end. So if you literally put your 4-bar setup on the car as run in mid 90's you would be illegal. If its about money put the spring in front on 1 shock. Series directors want to keep the NARSCAR engineers out but they are acting like NASCAR directors in the process. This is the stupidest rule change ever.

No kidding! A current Pierce car is not legal. A 3 link is not legal. This is comical!

[latemodel86]

Forgive me, I am behind and trying to catch back up onto the Late Model tech and latest innovations after being out of it for some time, but I have a few questions about what I've seen in this thread and one or two others.
A. What does a Pierce Race Car have on the LR, or anywhere else that is different than a "standard" late model or 4 link setup?
B. What was different about Bloomquist's shocks that were confiscated earlier this year? I don't recall hearing about that but do remember a picture or two of his car at the end of the 2014 season that seemed to have had the look or attitude in his car that Davenport had this year in his car. I remember someone telling me that it was something with his shocks, but they did not know what.

Thanks for info
P.S. Sorry to change the subject.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

Forgive me, I am behind and trying to catch back up onto the Late Model tech and latest innovations after being out of it for some time, but I have a few questions about what I've seen in this thread and one or two others.
A. What does a Pierce Race Car have on the LR, or anywhere else that is different than a "standard" late model or 4 link setup?
B. What was different about Bloomquist's shocks that were confiscated earlier this year? I don't recall hearing about that but do remember a picture or two of his car at the end of the 2014 season that seemed to have had the look or attitude in his car that Davenport had this year in his car. I remember someone telling me that it was something with his shocks, but they did not know what.

Thanks for info
P.S. Sorry to change the subject.

The rules say your shocks must attach to the birdcage. A lower tech way would be to connect directly to the axle. I have seen that on Bobby Pierces car.

Bloomer had j dampers or inerters that have been outlawed in several forms of racing. They react to shaft acceleration, not speed as most shocks do. They cost more than my engine apiece.

[zeroracing]

Also inerters can be computer controlled, they are electrical devices, they would be the equivalent of a traction control for the suspension movement, one could outfit the car with sensors and make a full active suspension if they wanted to.