Bloomquist and McDowell, Juggernaut in the making or Titans United!?

[Aces&Eights]

From the on track performance and the post race it sounds like the making of a Super-Powerhouse. McDowell was pivotal back in early 00's in bringing Larry Shaw back from the brink and I think pairing with Sweet/Bloomquist/Zero with the McDowell's may be a Performance Tempest of Epic and Legendary Proportions... Instead of a Clash of the Titans, it Titan's United. Should be something to see. Davenports misfortune continues, Lanigan continues to struggle and it just seems nobody right now has any momentum to compare with Team Zero. Love him or hate him the dude knows how to get it done, time and again.

[drano]

Agree. I believe this is a great paring and going to be a good year for McDowell, has already been a good year for Bloomquist.

[b1eagle]

This means that Team 0 will be in the World 100 and McDowell is good there.

[formercrewguy]

Wasn't Dale in a Warrior at the Dream? He was stout there also.

[Aces&Eights]

Wasn't Dale in a Warrior at the Dream? He was stout there also.

If memory serves, Mcdowell got the Zero in the off season, but didn't debut it till this weekend. He also debuted a new engine package, a Clements. He'd been using ECR power the last several years since he and his brother work for RCR, no idea why the change... The car looked flawless, not a single misplaced tire the whole way. This is a lethal combination.

[Dirt Racing #1]

Dale is top notch driver. Really like to see Dale stick with the bloomer chassis for several years.

[GRT24]

If memory serves, Mcdowell got the Zero in the off season, but didn't debut it till this weekend. He also debuted a new engine package, a Clements. He'd been using ECR power the last several years since he and his brother work for RCR, no idea why the change... The car looked flawless, not a single misplaced tire the whole way. This is a lethal combination.

Yea because he was or still is driving for Team Dillion Racing. Did they split or are they still involved. I was told Richard Childress is very fond of Dale. Dale also helps a lot of drivers in RCRs driver development program and a few race at Boyd's that Dale runs quite a bit.

[B_K]

Dale with that combo of car and motor is going to be a problem for a lot of folks.

[dirtdobber45]

Wasn't Dale in a Warrior at the Dream? He was stout there also.Yes and they (team Dillon) still have the Warrior and a couple of other different chassis in their stable... they like to have variety lol

[toyracer]

Was he on GW's or Penske's? Anybody know?

[titbaby115]

They just got the car about 3 weeks ago and got it put together tried to get it done for the dream but it didn't work out did not want rush it and something not be right but anyway it's good so far.

[SLIDING SIDEWAYS]

If memory serves, Mcdowell got the Zero in the off season, but didn't debut it till this weekend. He also debuted a new engine package, a Clements. He'd been using ECR power the last several years since he and his brother work for RCR, no idea why the change... The car looked flawless, not a single misplaced tire the whole way. This is a lethal combination.



Its all nascar politics. Mark martin, childress

[drano]

Don't forget the Labonte.

[MI Dirt Fan]

If you listen to some of the latest interviews with Mark Martin he says he has no desire to ever be involved in anyway with NASCAR ever again. When he drove the pace car at Charlotte for the 600 that was the first time he had been to a NASCAR track since his last race nor had any contact with any NASCAR officials since. He doesn't have much contact with current drivers/owners or past drivers/owners.

[dirtdobber45]

If you listen to some of the latest interviews with Mark Martin he says he has no desire to ever be involved in anyway with NASCAR ever again. When he drove the pace car at Charlotte for the 600 that was the first time he had been to a NASCAR track since his last race nor had any contact with any NASCAR officials since. He doesn't have much contact with current drivers/owners or past drivers/owners.When he says hes walking away he really means it lol

[chupp n bloomer fan]

Don't forget the Labonte.That doesn't count lol.

[chupp n bloomer fan]

If memory serves, Mcdowell got the Zero in the off season, but didn't debut it till this weekend. He also debuted a new engine package, a Clements. He'd been using ECR power the last several years since he and his brother work for RCR, no idea why the change... The car looked flawless, not a single misplaced tire the whole way. This is a lethal combination.He didn't get it then, as one of the last posters said, before The Dream is when he got it, and so it wasn't up to snuff.

[chupp n bloomer fan]

I think it's very beneficial to both. Shane and Dale are very smart and low key, the polar opposite of Scott. So it should be a good combo as far as a different perspective. We shall see if they can get along well enough for it to survive. And they drive very similar.

Though, look a few years back, the Bloomer cars were the hot ticket, and then, when he decided he needed to get back to his own program, poof, done. So we shall see. Do I think Dale and Shane are a great asset, he!! yes. The most respected people he has ever had in his cars too.

[Bubstr]

For years, anytime the 17m rolled into any track, they where a contender. no matter what kind of car they had. I don't look for that to change because he is running a Bloomquist car. I will admit that winning right out of the box, has to be good for confidence, but how much confidence does a Dale MCdowel need? He has talent and experience.

[Tireguy17]

I've been wondering for the last year-plus why the Sweet-Bloomquist chassis hasn't taken off on the national scene. This may be the beginning if Dale and Jared continue running up front with Scott. The late model world needs parity on the chassis side. Everyone running to Longhorns, Disco cars, and now Victory isn't good for things.

[drano]

I feel Bloomquist will keep enough cars out there to keep them on the map and when he retires he will really start building more chassis, that's just my thought on it.

[70satomic]

I always thought shane was a very smart crew chief maybe he needed something to work with

[Josh Bayko]

Dale McDowell is always fast, regardless of what chassis/engine he runs. He's extraordinarily smooth and consistent behind the wheel. His brother might be the best crew chief in dirt late model racing.

[Josh Bayko]

I've been wondering for the last year-plus why the Sweet-Bloomquist chassis hasn't taken off on the national scene. This may be the beginning if Dale and Jared continue running up front with Scott. The late model world needs parity on the chassis side. Everyone running to Longhorns, Disco cars, and now Victory isn't good for things.

There's more parity than ever. And people aren't running to Disco cars anymore, they're running away from them.

[dirty bert]

I always thought shane was a very smart crew chief maybe he needed something to work withTalk about a unbeatable team ,put Shane an Scott working together they'd put all other builders out of business

[MI Dirt Fan]

Lanigan hasn't shown anything since the Show-Me.

[plunks7]

Lanigan hasn't shown anything since the Show-Me.

That's just fine. No problem with that on this end.

[MI Dirt Fan]

Guys on here were jumping on board after that win and nothing since

[dalemcfan]

If memory serves, Mcdowell got the Zero in the off season, but didn't debut it till this weekend. He also debuted a new engine package, a Clements. He'd been using ECR power the last several years since he and his brother work for RCR, no idea why the change... The car looked flawless, not a single misplaced tire the whole way. This is a lethal combination.

He was running a Clements at Volusia back in Feb also. At least it had Clements valve covers on it and not ECR valve covers like the other engines I have seen him run the last few years.

[zyoung25]

I feel Bloomquist will keep enough cars out there to keep them on the map and when he retires he will really start building more chassis, that's just my thought on it.

This is how I feel too. Scott was at his best a few years ago when he had a few of his old cars out. Once they got to be the hot item was when he kinda seemed to struggle, to Bloomquist standards anyway. Being tied up building and fixing race cars, and then also trying to stay on top of this world isn't the easiest thing to do, and I think he found that out a few years back. I don't see Scott producing this car at the rate he did the old ones for that reason.

[cutman]

Interesting Twitter response from Chris Ferguson on the subject, stating cars aren't exactly for sale to anyone and both Scott and Sweet aren't in it to be selling a volume of cars.

[Aces&Eights]

I've been wondering for the last year-plus why the Sweet-Bloomquist chassis hasn't taken off on the national scene. This may be the beginning if Dale and Jared continue running up front with Scott. The late model world needs parity on the chassis side. Everyone running to Longhorns, Disco cars, and now Victory isn't good for things.

I could NOT disagree with you more. Parity killed nascar, parity killed iroc. Variety is the spice of life and Spurs development. Keep your parity. I think people who lack creativity push for everyone to be the same, a Millenial trait.

[chopter]

It would be fun if nascar opened up the rear suspension rules

[dirtdobber45]

One reasons you dont see that many is that Scott doesnt want everybody to have one, it takes an act of the all mighty and alot of cash

[Dirt Racing #1]

He made money several years back on selling his chassis. At one point there was several guys driving a bloomer chassis. Eric Jacobson, Jimmy Owens, Brady Smith, John Blakenship. Just to name a few.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

I could NOT disagree with you more. Parity killed nascar, parity killed iroc. Variety is the spice of life and Spurs development. Keep your parity. I think people who lack creativity push for everyone to be the same, a Millenial trait.

I don't think parity is the problem. The rules that were meant to create it is. When everything is mandated, it just gets boring. Parity when people are doing their own thing, is good, IMO.

[Bubstr]

I don't blame Scott for not selling to anyone. Good racers with good crew and a good car gets good feed back. Less than hat just eats time and energy, because your giving and not getting anything in return.

You see it all the time, where guys don't buy from someone because they don't get enough help. Could it be that some are bottomless pits of help wanted and have nothing to contribute. Scott cuts this off right at the bud.

[Bubstr]

Just thinking, I'm led to believe this deal between Dale and Scott was made last year at the Knoxville nationals. Both had to be feeling a little used up by Davenport by that time. I wonder if they would have made the deal today? Scott has been doing well, when he shows up on time and Dale hasn't been doing bad at all. Davenport found some rips in his cape. Well a little bad luck can change the complexion of a season. Come to think of it, a little good luck could make a world beater out of any one of 10 to 15 drivers.

[Dirt Racing #1]

I can see Bloomer selling a lot of the bloomer/sweet chassises once he retires. He will have more time. To be able help out.

[Tireguy17]

When I made the comment that I was surprised there aren't more S-B cars out on the national scene, I didn't mean the number that it used to be with Wells, Owens, Eckert, Smith, Madden, etc. I just figured there would be more than Jared and Scott by now, and like people have suggested, maybe that's what Scott wants.

[Kromulous]

He already tried manufacturing chassis at his place, and selling cars / chassis etc. There were alot of guys with Bloomquist chassis, and winning alot too, Owens etc.

What happened? he got slow on the track, not enough time to do both. Running a chassis buisness and racing to win is to much. So this year, as he said at the end of last year was, i am re-focusing on my stuff and my racing.

Now he has brought Randy Sweet into the picture to handle the manufacturing of the chassis. Which means he can do the R&D pass it on to Sweet to incorp it into the Chassis.

Adding McDowell is genius.

[Dirt Racing #1]

He already tried manufacturing chassis at his place, and selling cars / chassis etc. There were alot of guys with Bloomquist chassis, and winning alot too, Owens etc.What happened? he got slow on the track, not enough time to do both. Running a chassis buisness and racing to win is to much. So this year, as he said at the end of last year was, i am re-focusing on my stuff and my racing.Now he has brought Randy Sweet into the picture to handle the manufacturing of the chassis. Which means he can do the R&D pass it on to Sweet to incorp it into the Chassis.Adding McDowell is genius.I agree with you

[Aces&Eights]

I don't think parity is the problem. The rules that were meant to create it is. When everything is mandated, it just gets boring. Parity when people are doing their own thing, is good, IMO.

I think we agree, but isn't "parity" everybody having to do the same thing? Kinda like income equality=socialism.

[Aces&Eights]

He already tried manufacturing chassis at his place, and selling cars / chassis etc. There were alot of guys with Bloomquist chassis, and winning alot too, Owens etc.

What happened? he got slow on the track, not enough time to do both. Running a chassis buisness and racing to win is to much. So this year, as he said at the end of last year was, i am re-focusing on my stuff and my racing.

Now he has brought Randy Sweet into the picture to handle the manufacturing of the chassis. Which means he can do the R&D pass it on to Sweet to incorp it into the Chassis.

Adding McDowell is genius.He brought Randy in for engineering on the suspension... Randy don't build cars.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

I think we agree, but isn't "parity" everybody having to do the same thing? Kinda like income equality=socialism.

Parity just means they are even. Like around 2000 when you could win a touring race with a 4 link or swingarm.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

He brought Randy in for engineering on the suspension... Randy don't build cars.

Pretty sure Scott don't build the cars anymore.

[Aces&Eights]

Pretty sure Scott don't build the cars anymore.

I stand corrected, if "MasterSbilt_Racer" says Scott doesn't build cars anymore then I believe it. He's never steered me wrong before and usually knows what he's talking about.

[Josh Bayko]

Pretty sure Scott don't build the cars anymore.

Didn't he not even really build the original Team Zero cars? Wasn't it the Brucebilt guy who actually built the cars?

[Kromulous]

I thought the first 3 or 4 cars he built, after he hired that guy, and they built the cars at Bloomquists place there in TN. Now i wonder where there being built, i am guessing at Sweet's place.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

Didn't he not even really build the original Team Zero cars? Wasn't it the Brucebilt guy who actually built the cars?

True. He was the fab guy/welder.

[Aces&Eights]

Didn't he not even really build the original Team Zero cars? Wasn't it the Brucebilt guy who actually built the cars?

The first Bloomquist cars were built at Warrior to his specifications, then he moved production in house, at his own shop and collaborated on his first front end with the guy who started FAST chassis, who also had worked at Warrior, but I forget his name.

[Dirt Racing #1]

I know for a fact. Bloomquist did have his cars built in his shop. When I went there several years back. They was working on building one. Not sure if he still has them built at his shop still?

[MI Dirt Fan]

I wonder how many cars someone like him has personally had for himself over the years.

He probly reads the forum for his daily funnies.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

I know for a fact. Bloomquist did have his cars built in his shop. When I went there several years back. They was working on building one. Not sure if he still has them built at his shop still?

I don't think anyone here contradicted that.

[Dirt Racing #1]

I don't think anyone here contradicted that.I know. I will try to find out. Where he has them built at now. My buddy is a pretty good source.

[Josh Bayko]

I wonder how many cars someone like him has personally had for himself over the years.

He probly reads the forum for his daily funnies.

I remember reading an article about Scott where he talked about how stiff his cars were and that he tended to race them for a while. I'd bet he has less personal cars than people think.

[fastford]

The first Bloomquist cars were built at Warrior to his specifications, then he moved production in house, at his own shop and collaborated on his first front end with the guy who started FAST chassis, who also had worked at Warrior, but I forget his name.

those FAST chassis were the lightest chassis ive ever seen, they were fast in the slick, but they seemed a little unsafe to me.....

[titbaby115]

They are built at his shop that is where Dale car was built to he has his on part-time wielder so it is in-house.

[BTExpress]

I always wondered how many cars the top drivers, Bloomquist, Davenport, Richards, etc went through in a season? I just assumed they started the year with two brand new ones and unless they had a major crash which junked a chassis, they got two new ones again at the beginning of the following year. I know the top sprint car guys go through at least three or four cars a season.... Top late model teams....not so sure?

[stevo]

Don't think Dale's would be a Sweet/ Bloomquist as it was not built in Mich,it was built here in Tn at Bloomquist.

[plunks7]

At the beginning of the Year a picture was shown of Josh Richards with 6 cars in his shop.

[Snake X3]

I always wondered how many cars the top drivers, Bloomquist, Davenport, Richards, etc went through in a season? I just assumed they started the year with two brand new ones and unless they had a major crash which junked a chassis, they got two new ones again at the beginning of the following year. I know the top sprint car guys go through at least three or four cars a season.... Top late model teams....not so sure?

In interviews Scott has said he had 3 cars. He might have more, but for sure had 3.

[zyoung25]

From hearing Scott talk, he has one from last year, and they have built two this year.

Anyone ever heard of his own personal cars being sold, and then passed around?

[MI Dirt Fan]

I always wondered how many cars the top drivers, Bloomquist, Davenport, Richards, etc went through in a season? I just assumed they started the year with two brand new ones and unless they had a major crash which junked a chassis, they got two new ones again at the beginning of the following year. I know the top sprint car guys go through at least three or four cars a season.... Top late model teams....not so sure?

WoO Sprint guys must have 4-5 and maybe a 6th one just the chassis. You ever look at their schedules? They run like 70-80 events a year. And they roll easier and flex more. I seen a video they carry 2 complete cars, a bare chassis and parts to build one along with 3-4 motors.

[Aces&Eights]

Don't think Dale's would be a Sweet/ Bloomquist as it was not built in Mich,it was built here in Tn at Bloomquist.

Sweet/Bloomquist is all there is now, regardless of where its built. The Sweet part comes from Randy "Sweet" designing the frontend. Some on here are saying production was moved to Randy's shop, I had not heard that before hearing it here and I'm still not exactly sure on where they are built anymore. I do remember hearing Scott say that part of the reason for their collaboration was to prepare for the release of a chassis for "Public" consumption, instead of the boutique platform he's been offering.

As to how many cars Scott has personally I'm pretty sure its probably around 3 and he gets several seasons from a car. Unlike the NASA cars and many others that are built to flex like a spaghetti noodle. Bloomquist has always adhered to running a stiffer chassis that focuses on using the springs as the springs, and not the car. How Novel is that? I agree with this approach, its just not mainstream.

[Kromulous]

Plus he is generally a clean driver and don't bang people around to pass or win. Which adds life to a race car substantially.

[Aces&Eights]

Plus he is generally a clean driver and don't bang people around to pass or win. Which adds life to a race car substantially.

You got that right. LOL

[MI Dirt Fan]

The question wasn't how many cars they have now. The question was I wonder how many they have had since they started racing throughout the years.

[nuff said]

McDowell won last night at Wythe in the Southern Nationals opener.

[dirtdobber45]

At the beginning of the Year a picture was shown of Josh Richards with 6 cars in his shop.Might have two(primary and backup) for a half mile track, two for quarter mile, and two for the other tracks(a third, three eights mile etc)

[Josh Bayko]

The question wasn't how many cars they have now. The question was I wonder how many they have had since they started racing throughout the years.

That's gotta be in the hundreds for somebody like Bloomquist, Frank or Moyer.

[swartzman]

I know Sammy S. told me when I asked him that very question was new frame every 10 races. then it was time for a chassis..

[Necrosis]

I know Sammy S. told me when I asked him that very question was new frame every 10 races. then it was time for a chassis..Maybe in Sprint stuff, but a good LM frame can easily go 100+ races if your driver isn't an idiot, and you have a good shock program.

[Aces&Eights]

Maybe in Sprint stuff, but a good LM frame can easily go 100+ races if your driver isn't an idiot, and you have a good shock program.

Not on the Lucas/WoO tours they won't. Local Yokal might, but he's running against other tired frames too.

[Necrosis]

Not on the Lucas/WoO tours they won't. Local Yokal might, but he's running against other tired frames too.It's not common, but there is one particular car out there that would surprise you if you knew how old it is. Especially if you knew how much it has won.

[Aces&Eights]

It's not common, but there is one particular car out there that would surprise you if you knew how old it is. Especially if you knew how much it has won.

So why not share who has this "one" exceptional car?

[MI Dirt Fan]

Some cars just have that "feel"

[fastford]

i think ronnie johnson did have a frame built back in the late 90s and is still competitive.

[Aces&Eights]

i think ronnie johnson did have a frame built back in the late 90s and is still competitive.

That's the Warrior car, but he hasn't run that car in maybe 2+ seasons... 90's cars were built stiffer than anything that's been built since 05', with the exception of Team Zero cars.

@Necrosis. Still waiting to hear who has magic car that will surprise me...

[Necrosis]

That's the Warrior car, but he hasn't run that car in maybe 2+ seasons... 90's cars were built stiffer than anything that's been built since 05', with the exception of Team Zero cars.@Necrosis. Still waiting to hear who has magic car that will surprise me...You answered your own question.

[Kromulous]

What was the name of the car Bloomquist had with the aero tubing, older Warrior car he built in thier shop i thought. Rumored that he won a over a million with it, over the course of like 10 years. Sounds like a bit much, but probably a pretty good penny thou.

[Necrosis]

And I wasn't talking about the Warrior, btw.

[Sambo]

What was the name of the car Bloomquist had with the aero tubing, older Warrior car he built in thier shop i thought. Rumored that he won a over a million with it, over the course of like 10 years. Sounds like a bit much, but probably a pretty good penny thou.

Airplane.....

[Aces&Eights]

What was the name of the car Bloomquist had with the aero tubing, older Warrior car he built in thier shop i thought. Rumored that he won a over a million with it, over the course of like 10 years. Sounds like a bit much, but probably a pretty good penny thou.

The 1995 Barry Wright Bloomquist drove won $515,000 in one year...
https://twitter.com/dsksleepy
I think the Warrior with the Ob-Round tubing was called, "Black Magic", but I'm not 100% on that.

[MI Dirt Fan]

Same as this one?

[Aces&Eights]

Same as this one?

Yes that's the Wright car, but I think Lance Wright posted on Twitter it was actually $515,000 in stead of a million. I think the confusion came because the series yearly purse was $1.1 million that year.

[Slideitinsideways]

Money maker was the name of the (BW)car he won over $1,000,000 with.. Airplane was a great car also (warrior) and made over a million in its life too. It was over 7 yr old before he stopped racing it and was the 2000 Hav-a-tamp championship car.

[Slideitinsideways]

And there wasn't really anything special about the tubing,it was a cap over the tubing and was only on the exposed bars around (not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)pit. Not some exotic tubing like everyone thought.

[dirtdobber45]

The first one (or two) was built at Warrior so he build his jig. I remember back in the 90s when he went with Warrior that one of Goddards crew told me that it was just like a Matersbilt but some of the braces were changed around...I remember an interview with Scott talking about how he would do that to all the chassis back in the day

[a25rjr]

The first one (or two) was built at Warrior so he build his jig. I remember back in the 90s when he went with Warrior that one of Goddards crew told me that it was just like a Matersbilt but some of the braces were changed around...I remember an interview with Scott talking about how he would do that to all the chassis back in the day

If you went to the Warrior shop back then, Bloomers "Black Magic" cars were built on a different jig.

[dirtdobber45]

If you went to the Warrior shop back then, Bloomers "Black Magic" cars were built on a different jig.I believe your right

[a25rjr]

I believe your right

Epj was driving Warriors at the time for Marvin Harris, so I saw my fair share at their shop.

[Slideitinsideways]

If you went to the Warrior shop back then, Bloomers "Black Magic" cars were built on a different jig.You are correct. Scott took his jig home after the breakup.. followed by Bruce some time later. Not Really Warrior cars,just used there shop to build his cars.