Bobby Pierce at the Knoxville Late Model Nationals?

[klemmabyna]

It has it on his schedule. Must have finally gotten a motor to handle it! hopes he shows up so my dad finally gets to see what I've been telling him about.

[pkracer]

Has been on his schedule the last 2 or 3 years and he ends up skipping it to run for UMP points.

[pierceFAN]

Has been on his schedule the last 2 or 3 years and he ends up skipping it to run for UMP points.

That's not been the reason

[pkracer]

What is the reason? Motor?

[pierceFAN]

Yes...no use going out there being under powered...thats one track for sure you need all the HP you can get

[NormP]

Although I'm starting to think it would take a miracle for Francis to win anywhere these days, I'd like to see him and Tim Logan blow the dust off the old Russell Baker big block and stick it in the car for Knoxville. Or Eldora next month.

[Cardirt0]

Yes...no use going out there being under powered...thats one track for sure you need all the HP you can get

If you dont have a big motor you dont have a change ....

[CRK]

Yes...no use going out there being under powered...thats one track for sure you need all the HP you can getShouldn't need much more than what they take to eldora should they? They run there a lot.

[Bubstr]

Knoxville will use more power than Eldora. It's bigger and a little more banking and a lot more traction. Some I hear are running just shy o 500 inches. If you don't run big inches, you run high RPMs.

[MUD MAESTRO]

HP is just part of the equation to win at Knoxville. The racing surface changes so much during the 100 laps, chassis set up, tire selection and just plain luck is important as well. Maybe the most demanding and challenging race the drivers face.

[plunks7]

You better bring more than 1 power plant. The year Moyer won all 3 nights. He changed motors every night.

[pierceFAN]

They bought a big motor a couple years ago..big $$$....but heck it blew up every time the ran it...about 3 or 4 times

[Cardirt0]

They bought a big motor a couple years ago..big $$$....but heck it blew up every time the ran it...about 3 or 4 times

Then you find someone else to do your motors.. If they keep blowing up they are doing something wrong.....Have done a lot of drag motors in my younger days and sometimes, Its the little things that keep the motor running......I may just take setting the rev limit 200rpm less to keep the motor going ...Big motor tracks the cam can hurt the motor .. Need a cam with more mid power then high rpm power..Set your power range at 6000 rpm and use less gear..Power out of turns...Its a Art....as much as driving.. Driver needs too learn not to Hurt the Motor.....

[george w]

Knoxville will use more power than Eldora. It's bigger and a little more banking and a lot more traction. Some I hear are running just shy o 500 inches. If you don't run big inches, you run high RPMs.I cant remember a time that Knoxville carried more banking then big E

[RRRKKK]

There is no way Knoxville has more banking that Eldora, It is almost flat. The track is black and sticky. You need horsepower if it locks down you will torture your motor. I am told it is Des Moines river bottom ground.

[vande07]

I cant remember a time that Knoxville carried more banking then big E

maybe when they were both flat (when was that, when they were fields??

Knoxville only has 8 degrees of banking, Eldora has what, 20 something....

[MotoMatt]

Agree, it is less banking, but they are still very different tracks.

Knoxville is a big, wide, more round/D shaped track that is 1/2 mile on the inside of the track. It's tough on motors, like Eldora, but in a different way. Knoxville, you can't have enough power, where Eldora will dry out and end up not using motors up, if Knoxville prepares the track like they often do, it is a grippy surface at the end of the night just like it was at the beginning.

[TALON75]

You only need motor to qualify fast at Knoxville, track slows down pretty good after that where all out power isn't needed. We qualified 1st in our group and 3rd overall on the first night last year. Not saying we have a "small" motor, although it was just 430 wide bore, not the big ci that some think you need. Also, qualifying well actual hurts more than it helps.

[Bubstr]

The over all banking average seems higher at Knoxville. How early it starts and late it finishes. One thing for sure, you can hear the difference in the engines, between the two. At times they never lift or feather more at Knoxville than Eldora. It just uses more of the power you have for longer at Knoxville. Eldora will test a engine, but Knoxville is a harder test. It's always been that way. Both have their challenges, just a little different from each other.

[Cardirt0]

Wet over dry takes a lot more HP,,, Knox is wet compared to the Big E...
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Dennis Erb told me that he Loves and Hates Knox.. Said It kills his motors,,, If you go with a motor with a lot of laps there is a good change you take it home in a Box...If you find the right Cam too Gear Its great... If not It may just Blow....Dennis like to over rev his motors and Knox is not the Place to over Rev....

[Bubstr]

I can't ever remembering Knoxville being flat. It may look flatter than it is from the stands , but never flat and I've been going there, off and on since 1962, the second Kville nationals. It wasn't just sprint cars then. It was run what you brung. If you park yourself in either corner and look. There is more banking than you think. One thing is for sure, There is no track that is better prepped for racing, day in and day out. If you have speed and talent, the track won't keep you from going to the front. They invented well prepped track. It may have been flat back in 1895 or there about, when they ran the first auto race there. Over the years, the only time you will see a less than stellar track is when there is just too much rain to deal with. It gets too fast and at times hurts cars, with the berm, that can run all the way down the straights. There are a lot of similarities to Falls apart from size, as far as progression of the fast line goes. Two Three and four wide are common also. It has similarities with Eldora also, as sliders are very common.

[Bforwarned]

Screw all this motor talk. Either put your big boy panties on and come race or don't. Pretty simple. I know there are ALOT of Midwest fans of Bobby Pierce that would love to see him race. The decision is up to them.

[pierceFAN]

It's not big boy panties...its big boy motors...big difference...Bobby has to carry his balls in a wheelbarrow

[NormP]

All this motor talk is a lot more interesting than 90% of the whining that goes on at 4m.

[fryefan]

The over all banking average seems higher at Knoxville. How early it starts and late it finishes. One thing for sure, you can hear the difference in the engines, between the two. At times they never lift or feather more at Knoxville than Eldora. It just uses more of the power you have for longer at Knoxville. Eldora will test a engine, but Knoxville is a harder test. It's always been that way. Both have their challenges, just a little different from each other.

Knoxville has no where near as much banking (average or overall) as Eldora. It is not even close.

[old fan]

that what he is saying the longer straights then slights lifts then hammer down the straights will kill a motor that's why tri city in ILL is a 3/8 ths instead of the 1/2 and 1/4

[Cardirt0]

balls in a wheelbarrow ... I am going to be nice to night...And not say what I was going to say ... LOL When you 2 getting marred... I can see the LOVE......

[427c.i.]

It's not big boy panties...its big boy motors...big difference...Bobby has to carry his balls in a wheelbarrow

https://youtu.be/HSt4QepLbN0

[Centeroff]

Motors are overrated in a way. Notice the two best right now both run Andy Durham power plants. Yes, he makes big hp but more importantly his engines stay together. You need the big hp like someone said earlier, when the track is heavy because it really binds the car up and you need the hp to get off the corner. Maybe on a track like Syracuse you need a that monster that usually sits in a corner most of the time. I know for a fact that several of the top drivers mostly run less that 400 cubic inches. Hell Marlor won the hillbilly on a Steele motor one year. Gotta get the car working first. You will see a lot of 358-410 inch motors at Portsmouth in October. You can always tell when the qualify who has what. The small motors turn a lot more rpms and the big motors turn around 69-7400. I'd say the most common engine as far as cubic inches go is around a 430.

[miso_ohio]

Eldora is way more banked then Knoxville and that is not saying Knoxville isn't banked it is. As pointed out in this thread Knoxville is larger and also way more tacky then Eldora . I have walked on that track after the last night of the Nationals and the surface wanted to suck my mandals off it still had so much grip, that black dirt/gumbo or whatever you want to call it is something else. Outside of a fluke WOO late model show at Eldora many years ago after a ton of rain came down right before the race Eldora is dry and slicked off after a race.

It takes a lot more motor to break a car free on a tacky surface then a slicked off one which is why everybody is talking about how Knoxville needs a big motor. I don't know how much more motor/gearing you would need at Knoxville but I imagine it would be a bit more. Don't get me wrong both tracks require a big motor I just think you would want to put a little more HP into those tires at Knoxville.

I got a week to kill for vacation and was contemplating heading to Edlora for the world this year, since I have not been back to Eldora for quite a few years. This thread has got me thinking now that maybe I should head back to Knoxville instead, the couple of Nationals I have been too have had truly outstanding racing every night.

[Cardirt0]

Eldora is way more banked then Knoxville and that is not saying Knoxville isn't banked it is. As pointed out in this thread Knoxville is larger and also way more tacky then Eldora . I have walked on that track after the last night of the Nationals and the surface wanted to suck my mandals off it still had so much grip, that black dirt/gumbo or whatever you want to call it is something else. Outside of a fluke WOO late model show at Eldora many years ago after a ton of rain came down right before the race Eldora is dry and slicked off after a race.

It takes a lot more motor to break a car free on a tacky surface then a slicked off one which is why everybody is talking about how Knoxville needs a big motor. I don't know how much more motor/gearing you would need at Knoxville but I imagine it would be a bit more. Don't get me wrong both tracks require a big motor I just think you would want to put a little more HP into those tires at Knoxville.

I got a week to kill for vacation and was contemplating heading to Edlora for the world this year, since I have not been back to Eldora for quite a few years. This thread has got me thinking now that maybe I should head back to Knoxville instead, the couple of Nationals I have been too have had truly outstanding racing every night.

If I had one race a year of the 2 I go back to,,,, It be the one at Knoxville..

[birky time]

Cardirt0 is Knoxville closer for you then Eldora?

[MotoMatt]

No questions, Knoxville for me, especially after all the dust problems at Eldora. It hasn't rained out that way all summer, the crops aren't growing and the track has got to be dry as a popcorn fart.

[MotoMatt]

No questions, Knoxville for me, especially after all the dust problems at Eldora. It hasn't rained out that way all summer, the crops aren't growing and the track has got to be dry as a popcorn fart.

And for those nay sayers who think a smaller motor is enough there, have you ever been there? It's pretty painful to watch the guys with the little motors slinging 9000 rpm's trying to keep up with no forward drive on that giant track. If you walk the cushion all the way around it's more like 5/8 mile around that place, it's a freaking giant of a track.

[speedemon3b]

I guess I'm lucky they changed the date of Knoxville as i will be taking in both

[JMDraceHD98]

Agree with others, if I had only one race to attend in a year it would be Knoxville hands down. And I've been all over the country to tracks. It's truly an experience not like any other.

[Cardirt0]

Cardirt0 is Knoxville closer for you then Eldora?

Knoxville 317 miles
Eldora 219 miles
from my front door

[D. Tidrow]

Knoxville 317 milesEldora 219 milesfrom my front doorLooks about right, what now? What's his point cardirt0?

[Cardirt0]

Looks about right, what now? What's his point cardirt0?

Mr D. I dont know Both are to far for me now so . But he asked so I an..Have not been to ether in 6 years or after I got sick....

[D. Tidrow]

Mr D. I dont know Both are to far for me now so . But he asked so I an..Have not been to ether in 6 years or after I got sick....I agreed with you buddy, you were right in your assessment in the first post. My first race after my first deployment I met you at farmer city. Just was helping you out.