What if ??

[JimmyOinthe20fan]

This post is a What If Scenario, not Rumor!! I have been thinking about this scenario playing out, and what would happen if two of Late Models Crown Jewel events had major races scheduled against them from the fallout of the current lawsuit.. What happens if the lawsuit is not settled within the next six months, and with it being in Federal Court that is a very good possibility, and Lucas decides to schedule two big events up against the Dream and World next year, That would take 10-12 of the biggest names in Dirt Late Model away from the Dream and World, plus the other regional racers who would have decide where to race at that weekend. Both car counts would be down, fans ultimately loose, but what would the impact on Dirt Late Model racing five years from now from this scenario? Lucas already has the majority of the crown jewels events on their schedule now? Could this ultimately be the end for one of the two major sanctioning bodies in dirt late model racing as we know it today? Which one survives? Personally I would hate to see this happen, I think having two series touring the country allows more fans and sponsors to be a part of something that is fun and exciting, especially when local driver's have the opportunity to compete against the best drivers, and finish ahead of them. Earl was a pioneer and visionary for all of us who enjoy Dirt Late Model racing, and he started and promoted his Dream, hopefully it will continue for all to enjoy!!

[Pennsboro23]

I don't think the Lucas series would be that stupid.

[#FALSuperman]

Judging by the crowd I seen at Eldora this weekend, they would survive any attempt by LUCAS trying to schedule a head to head big money event. It's the World 100...people will always fill the stands for the Super Bowl of dirt track racing.

[MI Dirt Fan]

As long as there is enough distance between Eldora and said track they could easily do it.

[W2Racing09]

If you look at this from the other side there might be an issue. Would guys like Davenport, O'Neal, Lanigan, etc. want to skip the World and Dream? I doubt it. Something like this would probably influence a lot of drivers decision on what series to run, or whether to run any series at all.

Thanks,
Jeff.

[#FALSuperman]

If you look at this from the other side there might be an issue. Would guys like Davenport, O'Neal, Lanigan, etc. want to skip the World and Dream? I doubt it. Something like this would probably influence a lot of drivers decision on what series to run, or whether to run any series at all. Thanks,Jeff.Exactly...same reason someone like Pierce will never join WOO series. It would come at the expense of having to give up one of their favorite tracks ever (Florence Speedway N/S 100).

[BTExpress]

I could be way off base here, but I do not think the LOLMS wants the WoO series to go away. As has been discussed on here many times, there is a need and desire to have two separate national touring series. I know many of you would love to see the Lucas series become like the WoO Sprint Car series where they run 80 to 90 races a year and criss cross the country, but I don't think either the LOLMS or WoO wants that to happen. There is not enough resources or sponsorship money for perhaps only a handful of teams countrywide to run that type of grueling schedule. Both organizations seem to be happy with the amount of races each currently conducts and they seem to get along as is.

[MI Dirt Fan]

Is there a or any for that matter, LM series out west? Obviously no National one of course. Or are they not so popular.

[BloomerHarvickFan]

I enjoy multiple series. Back in the 90's, living in the South, we mainly went to HAT races, but you'd have the occasional STARS race in our neck of the woods, like at Atomic or Cherokee. It was fun to see a different crop of really good drivers, although like today there was some cross over. it was funny back then though because STARS had that nose, that looked odd compared to what most HAT guys were running. And also, the roof had to extend all the way to the right side, and HAT roofs would generally stop just past the driver.

[Josh Bayko]

I could be way off base here, but I do not think the LOLMS wants the WoO series to go away. As has been discussed on here many times, there is a need and desire to have two separate national touring series. I know many of you would love to see the Lucas series become like the WoO Sprint Car series where they run 80 to 90 races a year and criss cross the country, but I don't think either the LOLMS or WoO wants that to happen. There is not enough resources or sponsorship money for perhaps only a handful of teams countrywide to run that type of grueling schedule. Both organizations seem to be happy with the amount of races each currently conducts and they seem to get along as is.

I agree. The leadership at Lucas, and the leadership at WRG understand the sport is big enough for them both to exist and make money. They don't throw barbs at each other or anything, they each do their thing and don't really seem to care what the other does.

[Bubstr]

Here is a what if scenario. What if Lucas oil did that and all the World 100 fans turn against them for ruining their favorite race and Black listed the series and drivers that didn't run the World. When you start playing hardball. Everyone plays hardball.

[Cardirt0]

Nothing too be gained by doing this so it will not happen.........

[BloomerHarvickFan]

I wouldn't mind seeing the Sanctions get together to make all of these crown jewels dual-sanction points races. On top of all the prestige of winning a crown jewel, everyone would be there (not just the World) and both series pay points!!!!
This would give the fans the biggest shows possible, also, make the Crown Jewels really that, AND, you'd get ALL the big names going head to head, without scheduling conflicts.

Show Me 100, Dream, World, USA Nats, Knoxville Nats, Firecracker 100, N/S 100, etc....

[W2Racing09]

I wouldn't mind seeing the Sanctions get together to make all of these crown jewels dual-sanction points races. On top of all the prestige of winning a crown jewel, everyone would be there (not just the World) and both series pay points!!!!
This would give the fans the biggest shows possible, also, make the Crown Jewels really that, AND, you'd get ALL the big names going head to head, without scheduling conflicts.

Show Me 100, Dream, World, USA Nats, Knoxville Nats, Firecracker 100, N/S 100, etc....

That would be great, but I think the biggest roadblock there would be the amount of provisional spots they would have to give out. If they didn't give out provisionals then the drivers would complain because it would hurt them big time in points if they didn't qualify, and that is after all one of the benefits of signing on to run the whole season. I think it would take away from the World to see 34 cars starting because of provisionals or something.

[Barbecueboy]

Here is a what if scenario. What if Lucas oil did that and all the World 100 fans turn against them for ruining their favorite race and Black listed the series and drivers that didn't run the World. When you start playing hardball. Everyone plays hardball.

I don't think you are giving the world 100 fans much credit..........most of them are true race fans and will be looking to go to the best race.

And if it's not the world 100 anymore, then those fans will be elsewhere.


But who is anybody kidding? after this last world show there will be nobody stupid enough to try and schedule on top of something like that, especially since the playing field was so squarely leveled with the new tire deal and the show was a rousing success by almost all accounts.

I like the co sanctioning idea on the Crown Jewels and am just amazed when somebody throws an idea around like that , the same boo birds as always immediately start chirping about why it won't work instead of why it will.

[stewart fan]

Provisionals are like welfare,it should be the fastest cars start the feature!

[Centeroff]

I think it would work from a promotion point. 108 cars and only 10 truly believe they stand a chance to win. Have a 20k$ race somewhere in the south and you could pull 50 cars. I always wondered why someone hasn't done that. They should pay 100k minimum at the world. Maybe make it a champions only race. Say you have had to won a race that paid at least 10k to get in. Make it an open tire rule so we have the comers and goers. Maybe add an extra 25 laps and draw for the top 10 positions. They could make the world a better race in many ways

[Centeroff]

One last thing. The dream and the DTWC are the most prestigious races of the year. These teams and drivers work their a$ses off all year long and imo 49k isn't enough to the winner. 100k races will bring the best out of you

[old fan]

Provisionals are like welfare,it should be the fastest cars start the feature! it was the highest 2 in points next question qhen you time trail 2 nights in row how that work out

[old fan]

One last thing. The dream and the DTWC are the most prestigious races of the year. These teams and drivers work their a$ses off all year long and imo 49k isn't enough to the winner. 100k races will bring the best out of you then pay off the extra money next question it could pay 2 bucks they are going for the globes but of course you wouldn't understand that one

[a25rjr]

I think it would work from a promotion point. 108 cars and only 10 truly believe they stand a chance to win. Have a 20k$ race somewhere in the south and you could pull 50 cars. I always wondered why someone hasn't done that. They should pay 100k minimum at the world. Maybe make it a champions only race. Say you have had to won a race that paid at least 10k to get in. Make it an open tire rule so we have the comers and goers. Maybe add an extra 25 laps and draw for the top 10 positions. They could make the world a better race in many ways

Yessssss..........deep South that is..........Eastbay 50k to win! :)

[old fan]

like that is going happen , leave the world 100 alone

[a25rjr]

like that is going happen , leave the world 100 alone

It would be a perfect place to have it, this time of the year! Plenty of beaches and casinos, maybe catch a Bucs game!

A possible name could be.......Support the Zero 100!

If the plaintiffs win and WRG closes, it could very well happen! If the judge finds the defendants actions, egregious, the settlement could be a whole lot more than 16.5 mil!

[Centeroff]

Old fan fuk the globe. Where I come from, if it don't make dollars$$ it don't make sense! Pay these guys what they are worth. Even the best and top teams struggle financially while the track owners and promoters get rich! It's not right

[MI Dirt Fan]

It would have to be in the South. If you go west then you run into the Super Nationals the weekend of the World. I don't think they would have to schedule against both events but atleast maybe one.

[jensenracing18]

Old fan fuk the globe. Where I come from, if it don't make dollars$$ it don't make sense! Pay these guys what they are worth. Even the best and top teams struggle financially while the track owners and promoters get rich! It's not rightIf your in it for the money your in the wrong sport go play golf or something ... The world 100 could pay 10k and still have 100 cars show up.. It's tradition there isn't a super late model driver that doesn't want to set in victory lane with that globe.. Fuk the globe? What kind of dirt late model fan are you.. Sure they could jump the purse up to whatever they want but why break earls tradition of raising the purse by 1k every year..

[old fan]

don't mind center off he has no clue he goes to sycamore

[old fan]

It would have to be in the South. If you go west then you run into the Super Nationals the weekend of the World. I don't think they would have to schedule against both events but atleast maybe one. what the hw11 does the super nationals have to with the world 100 or any other crown jewel do you really have a clue

[old fan]

it s all about the globes , and everybody wants to rule the world seen it on a shirt lol

[Barbecueboy]

it s all about the globes , and everybody wants to rule the world seen it on a shirt lol

Have you ever seen anybody standing beside you for a long time that had on a shirt that said" I'm with stupid" and an arrow ---->

[Centeroff]

What you don't know dip $hit, DTWC hands out a globe also. If they paid 10k at the world that would be a slap in the face and I promise there would be a new winner because none of the top dogs would be there. The problem is the promoters think what you think, we can pay these guys less and they will still show. Won't be long before the guys do the math and figure tony probably makes 2-300k that weekend in pure profit and they will strike that race. The last man to finish any Lucas or WOO series should receive minimum 2500$. These guys sacrifice many days and nights away from their loved ones and deserve more. Plain and simple

[old fan]

You can t fix stupid subscribe to dod

[Barbecueboy]

You can t fix stupid subscribe to dod

You actually edited this???

And it still came out like this???

Uhhboy!

[jensenracing18]

What you don't know dip $hit, DTWC hands out a globe also. If they paid 10k at the world that would be a slap in the face and I promise there would be a new winner because none of the top dogs would be there. The problem is the promoters think what you think, we can pay these guys less and they will still show. Won't be long before the guys do the math and figure tony probably makes 2-300k that weekend in pure profit and they will strike that race. The last man to finish any Lucas or WOO series should receive minimum 2500$. These guys sacrifice many days and nights away from their loved ones and deserve more. Plain and simple Goes both ways... If the tracks don't make a profit the racers will eventually not have a place to race anyways... should all the improvements, operating cost, wages, payouts etc. just come out of track owners/promoters pockets without any return just because they love the sport...guarantee their wouldn't be many tracks open with that business model.. don't get me wrong Im not saying they don't deserve to make the money with all the work and time they put in to follow a tour or run on a national level but in the end when they made that choice to do that I don't think it was a get rich quick career move FYI Eldora paid out $389,800 over last weekend not a lot of tracks matching that $

[old fan]

You actually edited this???And it still came out like this???Uhhboy!thats subscribe To dirt on dirt.com for you dummy that even paid 2500 to start non touring event plus 4 tem k to win races

[W2Racing09]

What you don't know dip $hit, DTWC hands out a globe also. If they paid 10k at the world that would be a slap in the face and I promise there would be a new winner because none of the top dogs would be there. The problem is the promoters think what you think, we can pay these guys less and they will still show. Won't be long before the guys do the math and figure tony probably makes 2-300k that weekend in pure profit and they will strike that race. The last man to finish any Lucas or WOO series should receive minimum 2500$. These guys sacrifice many days and nights away from their loved ones and deserve more. Plain and simple

At the WoO Selinsgrove event they paid $8000 to win, and $600 to start. The total purse came in right around $35k.

If they had to pay $2500 to start (which is more than they paid for 4th place) the total purse would have to be at a minimum $67200. Do you know what that means? It means there is $35k less up for grabs in SLM racing because that race would get canned no questions asked. Then drivers like Tyler Erb and Billy Moyer jr who drove all the way to PA for the $20k to win Lernerville race would be going home after that race, rather than sticking around and running another night (where BMJ pocketed $8000+).

You really need to look at the balance sheet of some of these tracks, I agree Eldora could pay a little more, but they pay out quite a bit now too. Some of these tracks hosting WoO or LOLMDS races are probably about as close to breaking even as it gets. It's not their fault the cost of SLM racing has become some ridiculous, the tracks pay out for the most part what they can and the drivers will run there until the cost of racing gets too high and they quit. The track can't take a loss just because Mark Richards or Labonte wants to charge twice as much for a chassis as they cost 10 years ago.

Thanks,
Jeff.

[W2Racing09]

You actually edited this???

And it still came out like this???

Uhhboy!

I can't imagine anything he ever posted could be improved upon by clicking edit and giving him more time to add to or change whatever he wrote the first time. It is just going to get progressively worse and worse the more time he has to "work on it".

Thanks,
Jeff.

[MI Dirt Fan]

The only thing he changed was it said did not dod

[old fan]

Which means what?

[MI Dirt Fan]

Which means what?

Monumental break through here.

[old fan]

What does it mean?

[AndyB]

When the Dream has 73 & 84 cars the last 2 years and the World 100 has 108 & 106 the last 2 events, Its pretty evident more drivers feel the prestige of the World 100 means more.

[MI Dirt Fan]

When the Dream has 73 & 84 cars the last 2 years and the World 100 has 108 & 106 the last 2 events, Its pretty evident more drivers feel the prestige of the World 100 means more.

I'd say its partially because during the Dream there is other tracks and series that are running points races. When the World rolls around alot of those are done for the year.

[BloomerHarvickFan]

I think it'd be interesting to see over the course of 5 yrs, how many DIFFERENT drivers make these big car count races. If you have the same 20 drivers, with a few add-ons, are you any better off with a 100 cars showing up than you are 40 of the best? If the same 50-60 cars go home every year, is it anything special? I know the times I've been to the World and Dream it was aggravating with so many cars out there who you knew had NO chance at making the field.

[Barbecueboy]

Which means what?

Guessing it's the same thing the Drs and teachers said right after they tested you cognitively for the first time????

[a25rjr]

Which means what?

HEY....Look what he found.......Shift key and a punctuation key.....I thought his computer came without them! lol

[MI Dirt Fan]

HEY....Look what he found.......Shift key and a punctuation key.....I thought his computer came without them! lol

Almost wondering if someone hacked his account.

[a25rjr]

Almost wondering if someone hacked his account.

Guard at the nuthouse??? :)

[MI Dirt Fan]

His fingers are slipping from the butter on the popcorn they give out at the auto parts store. Causes him to use correct punctuation.

[Clayton_Wetter]

Here is a what if scenario. What if Lucas oil did that and all the World 100 fans turn against them for ruining their favorite race and Black listed the series and drivers that didn't run the World. When you start playing hardball. Everyone plays hardball.

Beanings can work both ways.

[Clayton_Wetter]

The only thing he changed was it said did not dod

Too bad it didn't say DUD!!!!

[Centeroff]

What is the entry fee for both the dream and world 100?

[old fan]

Too bad it didn't say DUD!!!! no the dud would be you crying about track prep day and night get alife

[fastford]

I think it'd be interesting to see over the course of 5 yrs, how many DIFFERENT drivers make these big car count races. If you have the same 20 drivers, with a few add-ons, are you any better off with a 100 cars showing up than you are 40 of the best? If the same 50-60 cars go home every year, is it anything special? I know the times I've been to the World and Dream it was aggravating with so many cars out there who you knew had NO chance at making the field.

its special to those 50 or 60 drivers , plus the people that came with those drivers adds up to a pretty good hunk of change,$$$$$$

[old fan]

I think it'd be interesting to see over the course of 5 yrs, how many DIFFERENT drivers make these big car count races. If you have the same 20 drivers, with a few add-ons, are you any better off with a 100 cars showing up than you are 40 of the best? If the same 50-60 cars go home every year, is it anything special? I know the times I've been to the World and Dream it was aggravating with so many cars out there who you knew had NO chance at making the field.but they tried and that's what counts

[dirtMAN007]

You guys think bloomer has enough pull with the Lucas gang that he could sway them to consider this scenario if it is not settled by next years world ? Just asking ?

[jensenracing18]

What is the entry fee for both the dream and world 100? early entry was $150 and that included the 3 day driver pit pass, I believe it was $200 at the gate

[old fan]

You guys think bloomer has enough pull with the Lucas gang that he could sway them to consider this scenario if it is not settled by next years world ? Just asking ? what lucas quist would run Eldora yeah that would happen not

[Barbecueboy]

what lucas quist would run Eldora yeah that would happen not

LIZZY Borden took an axe.......to the English language.^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[Stede Bonnet]

I think if it was an apples to apples payout and format, did it somewhere in the South, it could work. I'm sure some Lucas regulars would be in Ohio, but if given enough time and put on a well run show, anythings possible. However I doubt they'd do it because it would be an uphill battle in the beginning for sure. But Lucas has TV and could make it lucrative if they wanted. Will it happen, no. I also don't see any fallout from the lawsuit effecting anything next year. Most of the accused are Lucas regulars or interlopers and the lawsuit is against WRG/Eldora, not Lucas. I lost a little respect for BShepp backing out, I think the WRG intimidation got to him and he folded his hand too soon. JMO

[Cardirt0]

I'd say its partially because during the Dream there is other tracks and series that are running points races. When the World rolls around alot of those are done for the year.

I would say it because a lot more cars are close too Big E.. And it a longer drive to Knoxville...

[Cardirt0]

HEY....Look what he found.......Shift key and a punctuation key.....I thought his computer came without them! lol

I think hes Sick hes made 15 or so posts too day .. You can read them, you can under stand them, and they add too the Post...So dont say something bad too him and maybe he will keep it up...

[MI Dirt Fan]

I think hes Sick hes made 15 or so posts too day .. You can read them, you can under stand them, and they add too the Post...So dont say something bad too him and maybe he will keep it up...
15? Chit he's pushing almost 30. And to go with his 4,000+ not one of them logical.

[Cardirt0]

15? Chit he's pushing almost 30. And to go with his 4,000+ not one of them logical.

The thing is when he ant being a Dip $hit his post ant so bad.. So lets HOPE...

[old fan]

I ' doing good at pulling your chain lol

[Cardirt0]

I ' doing good at pulling your chain lol

Will you ant so bad when you add too a post,, I hope you keep it up,, if you think you pulling my Chain keep pulling it cause the place is a lot better this way ... Then you being a Dip$hit...

[old fan]

you mean like that michigan fans that acts that way all the time