National Tours in 2017

[W2Racing09]

I just wanted to make a list of the drivers for each tour in 2017 that I will update over time. Right now this is just the 2016 Drivers minus the ones we know for sure are not planning to run the series at this point. Please post to let me know if you know for sure of a driver planning to run, or planning to drop off.

LOLMDS DRIVERS
0 - Scott Bloomquist (Sweet/Bloomquist) [House Car]
1 - Josh Richards (Rocket)
39 - Tim McCreadie (Longhorn) [House Car]
5 - Don O'Neal (Club 29)
28E - Dennis Erb Jr (Club 29)
15L - Darrell Lanigan (Club 29) [House Car]
1 - Earl Pearson Jr (Longhorn)
20 - Jimmy Owens (Rocket)
777 - Jared Landers (Sweet/Bloomquist)
75 - Colton Flinner (Rocket)
4 - Bob Gardner (Longhorn)
15 - Steve Francis (Capital)

LOLMDS Dropped from Tour
6 - Jonathan Davenport (Longhorn)
15F - Steve Francis (Black Diamond)
B5 - Brandon Sheppard (Rocket)

LOLMDS Possible Additions


World of Outlaws DRIVERS
1 - Brandon Sheppard (Rocket) [House Car]
25 - Shane Clanton (Capital) [House Car]
7 - Rick Eckert (Longhorn)
21JR - Billy Moyer Jr (Victory) [House Car]
18 - Eric Wells (Longhorn)
1* - Chub Frank (Victory)
3S - Brian Shirley (Longhorn)
99JR - Frank Heckenast (Capital)
14M - Morgan Bagley (Black Diamond)
91 - Tyler Erb (Rocket)
2C - Joey Coulter (Rocket)
99B - Boom Briggs (Victory)
18C - Chase Junghans (Capital)
93 - Donald Bradsher (Longhorn)
99 - Devin Moran (Rocket)
44 - Chris Madden (Longhorn)
1B - Brent Larson (N/A)

WoO Dropped from Tour
76 - Brandon Overton (Capital)
1 - Josh Richards (Rocket)
C9 - Steve Casebolt (Rocket)

WoO Possible Addition(s)
116 - Brandon Overton (Longhorn)
16 - Tyler Bruening (Capital)
22 - G.R Smith (Rocket)

[kazual]

This is not a this circuit is better than the other discussion. But would Dennis Erb consider WOO? UMP/WRG oriented and he may work within the tire regs better. That and qualifying format could benefit him with the top 8 redraw, he doesn't always seem to be a good time trial guy in Lucas events and often starts back half of his heat. WOO may be more travel miles but tend to think he would have more top 5 finishes there than in LOOLMS. Just a WAG.

[TUTY]

Looks about right.

[TheHeadHunter]

I don't really think you can say the WoO has more travel miles.. It really depends on who runs and where they are from..

[W2Racing09]

I just wanted to make a list of the drivers for each tour in 2017 that I will update over time. Right now this is just the 2016 Drivers minus the ones we know for sure are not planning to run the series at this point. Please post to let me know if you know for sure of a driver planning to run, or planning to drop off.

LOLMDS
0 - Scott Bloomquist
39 - Tim McCreadie
B5 - Brandon Sheppard
5 - Don O'Neal
28E - Dennis Erb Jr
15L - Darrell Lanigan
1 - Earl Pearson Jr
20 - Jimmy Owens
777 - Jared Landers
15F - Steve Francis
75 - Colton Flinner

Dropped from Tour
6 - Jonathan Davenport

World of Outlaws
1 - Josh Richards
25 - Shane Clanton
7 - Rick Eckert
21JR - Billy Moyer Jr
C9 - Steve Casebolt
18 - Eric Wells
1* - Chub Frank
3S - Brian Shirley
99JR - Frank Heckenast
14M - Morgan Bagley
91 - Tyler Erb
2C - Joey Coulter
99B - Boom Briggs
18C - Chase Junghans

Dropped from Tour
76 - Brandon Overton

There are a lot of WoO drivers I am concerned about. I have no inside info on any of it of course but how much longer are guys like Chub Frank and Boom Briggs going to stick it out on the WoO? What about drivers like Eckert, Bagley, and Coulter as well? I can see a lot of guys making a good amount of progress (Tyler Erb at start of season vs. Tyler Erb at end of season... Night and day. Also have seen Wells, Junghans, and Moyer Jr make huge gains this season).

For the LOLMDS I think that core of guys is pretty solid, although I obviously question whether Flinner will continue next season.

Thanks,
Jeff.

[W2Racing09]

I think the amount of travel miles is slowly closing, now with LOLMDS going up to Deer Creek for instance in addition to their Nebraska trip. I think if you are based South of the Mason-Dixon line the LOLMDS is a better option, and if you are located near the line, or North of it the WoO might be the better bet.

Thanks,
Jeff.

[Josh Bayko]

I don't think those lists will look the same after Florida. I don't expect major changes, but there will surely be some changes. Plus, both tours will pick up a RoY contender or two each, too.

[dalemcfan]

Is Overton for sure dropping off WoO or waiting to see where they are after SpeedWeeks? Has anyone heard if WoO is going to Screven to start their year again? When we were in Charlotte for the World Finals one of the guys I went with thought he heard the announcer say that WoO was starting their year at Volusia. Hope Screven gets some WoO races and that they are different weekends than when Lucas is at Golden Isles like it was last year.

[Bubstr]

I always thought that a certain amount was locked in to each series. That's what they do. The rest use a formula to suck them in to a series. First I call, run the flag up and see who salutes, are they up in the points after Speed weeks, then Do they have book on that series tracks. The last can be a deal breaker for even great drivers and teams. Someone has to have those set up notes. The last is, are they equipped to go. Good hauler, two cars, 3 motors and a pair and a spare of all parts. Then there is the biggest factor. Is the driver, crew and their support willing to go on the road. A lot think they are, until they taste the bologna sammiches, they eat, because everyone is too worn out to cook something good to eat.

[zyoung25]

I heard Donald Bradshear was looking to try the WoO next year.

[W2Racing09]

Is Overton for sure dropping off WoO or waiting to see where they are after SpeedWeeks? Has anyone heard if WoO is going to Screven to start their year again? When we were in Charlotte for the World Finals one of the guys I went with thought he heard the announcer say that WoO was starting their year at Volusia. Hope Screven gets some WoO races and that they are different weekends than when Lucas is at Golden Isles like it was last year.

I don't think they have ruled it out, but I would rather not list them if they are waiting until after Speedweeks to decide. I think a lot of drivers would stick around if they were doing good in points even if they had no chance at all. (For instance, if someone like Kyle Bronson was leading WoO LM points following Volusia I would bet he would be at Farmer City in March too)

Thanks,
Jeff.

[Bubstr]

This is not a this circuit is better than the other discussion. But would Dennis Erb consider WOO? UMP/WRG oriented and he may work within the tire regs better. That and qualifying format could benefit him with the top 8 redraw, he doesn't always seem to be a good time trial guy in Lucas events and often starts back half of his heat. WOO may be more travel miles but tend to think he would have more top 5 finishes there than in LOOLMS. Just a WAG.

Good guess, but I think we will see Erb stay in Lucas series, just because he is way better on East Bay track than Volutia Co. Lucas gives him a head start each year. He also has good notes on the Lucas tracks. I always thought of Erb as a Journeyman Racer. Works hard to get the job done and does nothing to hurt his chances. Not Flashy, just gets the job done.

[W2Racing09]

I heard Donald Bradshear was looking to try the WoO next year.

I think a lot of regional guys see what racing on these tours has done for drivers like Moyer Jr, Tyler Erb and Brandon Overton over the past few seasons. Racing against the best of the best every week will help anyone's driving career. Bradshear is a clean driver (from what I've seen) whom I think would be a great addition to the series.

[PennDirt]

.... how much longer are guys like Chub Frank....


If his merch still has a cult-like following, it'd be hard to pass on that revenue. Doing laps around the homestead only would be quite the financial sacrifice. Without a doubt, he's one of the top merch movers in the industry and even with a stagnant win ratio over the last decade, it hasn't been a real death blow to his fan base.

Of course, the road can grow weary at anytime for anyone, so who's to say? He might be at that point. I'm hearing about part-time racing more and more all the time around these parts.

[bleedblue55]

Is Overton for sure dropping off WoO or waiting to see where they are after SpeedWeeks? Has anyone heard if WoO is going to Screven to start their year again? When we were in Charlotte for the World Finals one of the guys I went with thought he heard the announcer say that WoO was starting their year at Volusia. Hope Screven gets some WoO races and that they are different weekends than when Lucas is at Golden Isles like it was last year.
The Opening WOO race at Screven last year was not run the same week as Golden Isles. Screven was a week later and actually went up against East Bay. Josh Richards ran Golden Isles and East Bay thru the week before heading up to Screven for the weekend and then returning for Volusia. Screven and Golden Isles were on the same weekend in previous years as I would alternate between the two every year.

[flagone]

WoO opens at Screven Feb 17 & 18

[dalemcfan]

The Opening WOO race at Screven last year was not run the same week as Golden Isles. Screven was a week later and actually went up against East Bay. Josh Richards ran Golden Isles and East Bay thru the week before heading up to Screven for the weekend and then returning for Volusia. Screven and Golden Isles were on the same weekend in previous years as I would alternate between the two every year.

Yea I know. I'm glad they didnt run at Golden Isles and Screven on the same weekend last year. Per Kelley's post below WoO will be at Screven the weekend after Lucas is at Golden Isles.

[CrankedUp90]

If his merch still has a cult-like following, it'd be hard to pass on that revenue. Doing laps around the homestead only would be quite the financial sacrifice. Without a doubt, he's one of the top merch movers in the industry and even with a stagnant win ratio over the last decade, it hasn't been a real death blow to his fan base.

Of course, the road can grow weary at anytime for anyone, so who's to say? He might be at that point. I'm hearing about part-time racing more and more all the time around these parts.

He said at the WoO banquet that he was most likely going to give it one more shot in 2017, then slowly start backing down..

[PennDirt]

He said at the WoO banquet that he was most likely going to give it one more shot in 2017, then slowly start backing down..

Thanks for the Chub data. I hope he goes out screamin' !!

[W2Racing09]

Updated the list.

[dirtdobber45]

I thought Jared retired because of that neck injury?

[Ryan21mid]

Actually Ben said he doesn't know what the future holds just yet. Different reports from different doctors, goes to see the top specialist on this injury in 2 weeks which will give them a better outlook on if he thinks it's safe for Jared to get back in a car and when if so.

[W2Racing09]

Actually Ben said he doesn't know what the future holds just yet. Different reports from different doctors, goes to see the top specialist on this injury in 2 weeks which will give them a better outlook on if he thinks it's safe for Jared to get back in a car and when if so.

You are right, I went back and listened to it again. Ben definitely sounded optimistic but definitely didn't say he was racing again for sure. Apologies for the mistake.

I won't take him off the list unless it is for sure he isn't racing -- as if he does race I'm sure it will be with the LOLMDS.

Thanks,
Jeff.

[W2Racing09]

Updated to reflect the Rocket House car situation. Also removed Donald McIntosh from possible list for the WoO per DoD article. Also of note is Jared Landers has been cleared to race and will be back on the LOLMDS in 2017.

The LOLMDS could really use an additional driver or two to hop on board, they are definitely loaded with talent but not necessarily loaded with cars overall. Meanwhile the WoO does not have as much top shelf talent but has a pretty solid A-Main touring around the country by themselves if some of those possible drivers join up as well.

Currently left Josh Richards as possible for either tour as I believe it is probably a safe bet that he will be racing on one of them but nothing official released yet.

Thanks,
Jeff.

[Barbecueboy]

Josh is racing Lucas......

And it will finally put the speculation to rest on who is better than whom.

[W2Racing09]

Josh is racing Lucas......

And it will finally put the speculation to rest on who is better than whom.

I hope he does too -- there are a lot of LOLMDS races on my bucket list that I would like to check off next season. I don't want to put him on the LOLMDS list though until it is officially announced (I was hoping their plans would have been announced by now).

Thanks,
Jeff.

[Josh Bayko]

I hope he does too -- there are a lot of LOLMDS races on my bucket list that I would like to check off next season. I don't want to put him on the LOLMDS list though until it is officially announced (I was hoping their plans would have been announced by now).

Thanks,
Jeff.

I'd bet Richards' (and a few others) 2017 plans will be revealed at PRI.

[Stede Bonnet]

I heard Donald Bradshear was looking to try the WoO next year.

Probably just to spite GR Smith... Those 2 guys hate each other.

[Josh Bayko]

Per DoD, Bradsher is confirmed for the WoO in 2017.

[W2Racing09]

Per DoD, Bradsher is confirmed for the WoO in 2017.

Update made. Thanks Josh.

[Barbecueboy]

I hope he does too -- there are a lot of LOLMDS races on my bucket list that I would like to check off next season. I don't want to put him on the LOLMDS list though until it is officially announced (I was hoping their plans would have been announced by now).

Thanks,
Jeff.

Pencil him in.......he is going Lucas racing.

[K1ngCat]

Josh is racing Lucas......

And it will finally put the speculation to rest on who is better than whom.

Probably be at a disadvantage,not running these tracks yearly has to hurt some

[Senroc-Systems]

Not going to be an issue. Randall Edwards has the notebook on the entire tour, end then some. I think not enough credit goes to the crew chief/crew in these equations. At this moment, RE has one of the top resumes in the business. His Championships are at the highest level and they are many. His last stop before Best Motorsports was with Mark and Josh. These guys are up to the task, and they are absolutely loaded for bear with equipment, technology, driver talent, and Championship Mentality. IMO the trio of Best, RE and Josh wins the 2017 LOLMDS Championship, hands down. I'd be willing to bet, they're thinking the exact same thing.....

[Barbecueboy]

Not going to be an issue. Randall Edwards has the notebook on the entire tour, end then some. I think not enough credit goes to the crew chief/crew in these equations. At this moment, RE has one of the top resumes in the business. His Championships are at the highest level and they are many. His last stop before Best Motorsports was with Mark and Josh. These guys are up to the task, and they are absolutely loaded for bear with equipment, technology, driver talent, and Championship Mentality. IMO the trio of Best, RE and Josh wins the 2017 LOLMDS Championship, hands down. I'd be willing to bet, they're thinking the exact same thing.....

Yup..........

[zyoung25]

Is Dargie going to continue building engines for Best? Or is just bringing the Durham name with him?

[t3r3e3]

Yup..........

While Josh, crew, and owner might think that, and it would be warranted, they're still going to have to beat the 0. As in, beat the greatest driver to strap into a DLM, and who has comparable equipment and superior knowledge of the tracks. Also, Richards won't be running a series where his dad holds sway with the officials. And finally, there are a few guys who will readily return the favor of they're run into while getting passed (Bend your Steel, Landers, etc).


I think Richards is likely no worse than second favorite to win it. That being said, he also isn't running a series that caters to his team or one where his chief competition on most nights contains two legitimate threats and a bunch of filler. The Lucas fields are far stouter than WoO. It will be tougher to win the title.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

Is Dargie going to continue building engines for Best? Or is just bringing the Durham name with him?

Senroc just said they had top notch equipment. I would say that puts Dargie out. Lol

[Senroc-Systems]

Is Dargie going to continue building engines for Best? Or is just bringing the Durham name with him?

I know that the reason Best got involved with Dargie in the first place is because Best's first driver (Jeff Babco(k ) was driving for Shane Halcomb, and they had Dargie Engines. They are relatively close to each other. I'm sure the decision will be up to Randall Edwards, as he's be given the authority to make those calls in the best interests of the team. But because this whole deal is in association with the Rocket House Car program I'm sure all relevant people are involved. My guess, they make the switch to Andy Durham Ford power. Like everything else, we'll know at PRI.

[zyoung25]

I knew they were close on the map, dargie being in Richmond, and the best shop being in st marys, and that makes it easier to get things done in a pinch. I don't recall them having much engine problems this past season either. I guess that question will be answered later in the week.

[t3r3e3]

I knew they were close on the map, dargie being in Richmond, and the best shop being in st marys, and that makes it easier to get things done in a pinch. I don't recall them having much engine problems this past season either. I guess that question will be answered later in the week.

The BPM cars never seemed to lack horses. The whole engine deal seems to be monkey see, monkey do on a certain level. There are longtime, established builders (Cornett, Clements, Pro Power etc) , guys with NASCAR ties ((not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)ens, Durham, Vic Hill), and lots of good regional shops churning out bullets. Seems if you have the dinero, you can get top notch wide bore stuff from more than a few builders. Having one of them right down the road (a la the Best/Dargie deal) is a pretty convenient deal.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

Anybody can build enough power these days. The trick is to build one that is driveable but doesnt get smoked off the corner.

[W2Racing09]

While Josh, crew, and owner might think that, and it would be warranted, they're still going to have to beat the 0. As in, beat the greatest driver to strap into a DLM, and who has comparable equipment and superior knowledge of the tracks. Also, Richards won't be running a series where his dad holds sway with the officials. And finally, there are a few guys who will readily return the favor of they're run into while getting passed (Bend your Steel, Landers, etc).


I think Richards is likely no worse than second favorite to win it. That being said, he also isn't running a series that caters to his team or one where his chief competition on most nights contains two legitimate threats and a bunch of filler. The Lucas fields are far stouter than WoO. It will be tougher to win the title.

How did the WoO cater to the Rocket team?

[Barbecueboy]

OH brother............

[W2Racing09]

OH brother............

It's a legit question -- I'm willing to consider the possibility if presented with a reasonable argument including evidence. I just have never seen any blatant favoritism in the WoO (or in LOLMDS which people occasionally accuse of catering to Bloomquist as well).

Thanks,
Jeff.

[Barbecueboy]

I repeat, oh brother.............smdh.

[W2Racing09]

I repeat, oh brother.............smdh.

Such a compelling argument.

Thanks,
Jeff.

[Barbecueboy]

Such a compelling argument.

Thanks,
Jeff.

As is the fact that you think someone needs to give compelling evidence so that YOU, the director of nasa can be convinced.

Here is one, but trust me it won't stay up long...........there was only one suspension that came from the incident at friendship although there were two seperate assaults....one from each side......yet only one suspension.

Guess which team or drivers team didn't get any reprimand?

Again, don't expect this to stay up long........read it quick.

[W2Racing09]

As is the fact that you think someone needs to give compelling evidence so that YOU, the director of nasa can be convinced.

Here is one, but trust me it won't stay up long...........there was only one suspension that came from the incident at friendship although there were two seperate assaults....one from each side......yet only one suspension.

Guess which team or drivers team didn't get any reprimand?

Again, don't expect this to stay up long........read it quick.

My understandings of the incident at Friendship.

Richards turns Roberts going down the backstretch.
Roberts punches Richards in the pit area.
Roberts is suspended.

I wasn't aware there was an additional assault? Was it a Rocket crew member(s)?

Thanks,
Jeff.

[Barbecueboy]

My understandings of the incident at Friendship.

Richards turns Roberts going down the backstretch.
Roberts punches Richards in the pit area.
Roberts is suspended.

I wasn't aware there was an additional assault? Was it a Rocket crew member(s)?

Thanks,
Jeff.

Just because YOU weren't aware didn't mean it didn't happen..........not sure in what capacity ( guessing enforcer), but yes.

No longer travels with them as I understand it...

[W2Racing09]

Just because YOU weren't aware didn't mean it didn't happen..........not sure in what capacity ( guessing enforcer), but yes.

No longer travels with them as I understand it...

I didn't say that it didn't happen, just that I wasn't aware. You always act like my posts are offensive toward you and what not but I was simply asking questions/responding to your posts and you seem to be getting upset about it or something.

That I guess qualifies as favoritism, although I think the tour would treat a Clanton/Eckert, etc. crew member in the same way. I don't think Richards got preferential treatment over another tour driver, but over a non tour driver I would call that pretty common on both tours in little ways like that. I absolutely agree that anyone who assaults anyone for any reason should be suspended.

[Barbecueboy]

I didn't say that it didn't happen, just that I wasn't aware. You always act like my posts are offensive toward you and what not but I was simply asking questions/responding to your posts and you seem to be getting upset about it or something.

That I guess qualifies as favoritism, although I think the tour would treat a Clanton/Eckert, etc. crew member in the same way. I don't think Richards got preferential treatment over another tour driver, but over a non tour driver I would call that pretty common on both tours in little ways like that. I absolutely agree that anyone who assaults anyone for any reason should be suspended.

Not upset in the least........ just because JEFF didn't know about something dlm related doesn't mean it didn't happen and it certainly doesn't mean that anyone owes you any kind of explanation because you weren't there or didn't know or were blinded by your stargazing glasses.

You asked how they were shown favoritism by woo......I gave you one example, that's all I did.

Not the first time that retaliatory incident has been stated or discussed on 4m.......mysteriously, they always disappear though.

Just like this one will.

[TackyTracker]

within reason I'll say Josh doesn't win Lucas hands down... what's your bet idea???

[Barbecueboy]

within reason I'll say Josh doesn't win Lucas hands down... what's your bet idea???

T mac gets on a roll and kicks both their as sses.........

[W2Racing09]

T mac gets on a roll and kicks both their as sses.........

Now that would be a surprise.

Thanks,
Jeff.

[PushinTheLimit]

Not that it's a surprise, but Josh Richards is confirmed to run Lucas Oil in 2017.

http://insidedirtracing.com/josh-richards-to-compete-in-lucas-oil-lmds-in-2017/

[dirtdobber45]

Not that it's a surprise, but Josh Richards is confirmed to run Lucas Oil in 2017.http://insidedirtracing.com/josh-richards-to-compete-in-lucas-oil-lmds-in-2017/Well thats cool. Its game on now

[W2Racing09]

Updated to show that your 2017 LOLMDS Champion Josh Richards is running the LOLMDS.

[dirtdobber45]

Wtfever Jeff...hes got some competition now.

[Barbecueboy]

Now that would be a surprise.

Thanks,
Jeff.

Only to you brother, only to you.........

[Barbecueboy]

Updated to show that your 2017 LOLMDS Champion Josh Richards is running the LOLMDS.

i heard that before somewhere.......I had it already penciled in.

[W2Racing09]

i heard that before somewhere.......I had it already penciled in.

I never said you were wrong, I just don't update things until they are announced. That is the easiest way to do it in my opinion. Otherwise I have decide which rumors are more credible than others, etc. For instance Donald McIntosh joining the WoO was a big rumor that never ended up occurring. I'm sure there were a bunch last year too - It's just easier to wait for announcements.

[oldfart50]

I never said you were wrong, I just don't update things until they are announced. That is the easiest way to do it in my opinion. Otherwise I have decide which rumors are more credible than others, etc. For instance Donald McIntosh joining the WoO was a big rumor that never ended up occurring. I'm sure there were a bunch last year too - It's just easier to wait for announcements. You shouldnt take it personal, BBQ isnt all there yet believes the World revolves around him. It isnt his fault really. When he started school and that short Bus showed up they told him only "special kids" got to ride it and now he really believes he is special. I guess he is in many ways...

[ReignMan23]

Why is oldfart not banned yet? Definitely sick of seeing his name on here

[Barbecueboy]

Why is oldfart not banned yet? Definitely sick of seeing his name on here

Because he adds so much quality conversation to the forum......

[Barbecueboy]

I never said you were wrong, I just don't update things until they are announced. That is the easiest way to do it in my opinion. Otherwise I have decide which rumors are more credible than others, etc. For instance Donald McIntosh joining the WoO was a big rumor that never ended up occurring. I'm sure there were a bunch last year too - It's just easier to wait for announcements.

Some announcements are made or talked about prior to them being made public..........I guess I'm just a good listener.

But I understand your concept.

[Barbecueboy]

You shouldnt take it personal, BBQ isnt all there yet believes the World revolves around him. It isnt his fault really. When he started school and that short Bus showed up they told him only "special kids" got to ride it and now he really believes he is special. I guess he is in many ways...

More quality posting from old fart........now making fun of and demeaning kids with special needs.

That's special of50.........good on you for getting to that basement level.

[oldfart50]

Why is oldfart not banned yet? Definitely sick of seeing his name on here You have five post? This wouldnt happen to be a new name is it?

[oldfart50]

More quality posting from old fart........now making fun of and demeaning kids with special needs. That's special of50.........good on you for getting to that basement level. Wait, I was discussing you. I guess you missed that. Poor feller...

[Barbecueboy]

Wait, I was discussing you. I guess you missed that. Poor feller...

Nope, I didn't miss it at all.......neither did any of the forums parents of truly special needs kids.

Way to go old fart 50, keep on yapping .........next time remove your foot from your mouth prior to speaking.

Joking around is one thing, making fun of or using a special needs child as part of a joke your trying to make is quite another.......if you can't see or comprehend that, looks like I'm not the feller that's poor.

[Nasty55]

Nope, I didn't miss it at all.......neither did any of the forums parents of truly special needs kids.

Way to go old fart 50, keep on yapping .........next time remove your foot from your mouth prior to speaking.

Joking around is one thing, making fun of or using a special needs child as part of a joke your trying to make is quite another.......if you can't see or comprehend that, looks like I'm not the feller that's poor.




I honestly dont think that he can help himself BBQ.... Everytime OF50 opens his piehole he steps in a pile of crap and ends up coming out smelling just like that pile of Crap!!

[Barbecueboy]

I honestly dont think that he can help himself BBQ.... Everytime OF50 opens his piehole he steps in a pile of crap and ends up coming out smelling just like that pile of Crap!!

Some people just get swallowed up by their surroundings and end up like the surroundings they are in............pile of crap you say?

[dirtdobber45]

Some people just get swallowed up by their surroundings and end up like the surroundings they are in............pile of crap you say?More like his a$$ has swallowed his head

[Barbecueboy]

More like his a$$ has swallowed his head

Cool, so he is a human tripod ?

[plunks7]

Fellas don't you think ReignMan23 is covering his own A S S (oldfart50)?

[Ryan21mid]

Dirt Racing Media just posted that Twarog and Casebolt have split and Devin Moran will take over and run the WoO tour in 2017. Nothing official yet though.

[slmcrewchief99]

No, It said, the 2 have split AND the RUMOR is Devin Moran as the driver and run WoO.

[ReignMan23]

Fellas don't you think ReignMan23 is covering his own A S S (oldfart50)?Say what now?! Read his posts, then read mine. 0 similarities what so ever unless he's a bloomer fan. But back to the topic. Do we have any young guns that will be joining either series? I know for awhile there were a couple under 18 years of age(Pierce, Red(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)). Any newbies coming up from crates to race with the big dogs?And being from Iowa, what's going to happen to Ryan Gustin? Heard he lost his ride from Gressel.

[Barbecueboy]

Fellas don't you think ReignMan23 is covering his own A S S (oldfart50)?

That's classic........

[Ryan21mid]

No, It said, the 2 have split AND the RUMOR is Devin Moran as the driver and run WoO.

Same difference, it's all just RUMORS until it comes from the horses mouth.

[W2Racing09]

Updated the original post with chassis for each driver as well as added/removed several drivers as a result of PRI Announcements.

[plunks7]

Say what now?! Read his posts, then read mine. 0 similarities what so ever unless he's a bloomer fan. But back to the topic. Do we have any young guns that will be joining either series? I know for awhile there were a couple under 18 years of age(Pierce, Red(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)). Any newbies coming up from crates to race with the big dogs?And being from Iowa, what's going to happen to Ryan Gustin? Heard he lost his ride from Gressel.

USMTS is what I have heard. Tyler Bruenning Might try for ROTY with WOO as already posted.

[plunks7]

Updated the original post with chassis for each driver as well as added/removed several drivers as a result of PRI Announcements.

Have you heard if Jake Oneal will be running or Don Oneals son running either series? Just asking.

[HoosierDirtFan]

Per Dirt On Dirt
After talking with Brandon Sheppard Peoria, Illinois driver Bob Gardner planning an assault on the Lucas Oil Late Model Dirt Series. Bob plans on entering the first 14 events and evaluating the rest of he year after that.

[W2Racing09]

Have you heard if Jake Oneal will be running or Don Oneals son running either series? Just asking.

I have heard/read rumors online about Hudson O'Neal, but given his relative inexperience in an SLM I would be surprised if his father wants him out running a big series yet. Personally I think he would do just as well as several of the drivers on either series. I've heard nothing about Jake O'Neal but he would be an excellent addition to either series as well.

Thanks,
Jeff.

[W2Racing09]

Per Dirt On Dirt
After talking with Brandon Sheppard Peoria, Illinois driver Bob Gardner planning an assault on the Lucas Oil Late Model Dirt Series. Bob plans on entering the first 14 events and evaluating the rest of he year after that.

I have marked Gardner as running the LOLMDS despite his plans to reevaluate after 14 events. I think without saying it many driver reevaluate after so many shows, if they had an awful start they might just drop off mid season after initially planning to run the whole thing (Chase Junghans last year, Darrell Lanigan in 2015, etc)

Thanks,
Jeff.

[plunks7]

I have heard/read rumors online about Hudson O'Neal, but given his relative inexperience in an SLM I would be surprised if his father wants him out running a big series yet. Personally I think he would do just as well as several of the drivers on either series. I've heard nothing about Jake O'Neal but he would be an excellent addition to either series as well.

Thanks,
Jeff.

Thank you for your quick reply back Jeff.

[bleedblue55]

I have marked Gardner as running the LOLMDS despite his plans to reevaluate after 14 events. I think without saying it many driver reevaluate after so many shows, if they had an awful start they might just drop off mid season after initially planning to run the whole thing (Chase Junghans last year, Darrell Lanigan in 2015, etc)

Thanks,
Jeff.

With all due respect to Chase Junghans, he was dealing with a whole lot more than racing results last year.

[Snake X3]

Not sure if anyone else has seen/heard this yet, but during DoD's 3rd PRI video it was mentioned that Chris Madden is considering a WoO run.

WoO is doing a great job rebranding itself as a young guns series, but if Madden does follow the tour that is a big upgrade to the experienced talent on the tour too. Add to that having Rick Eschelman handling the announcing again, they've gotten my interest back. Should be a great season.

[Pennsboro23]

Not sure if anyone else has seen/heard this yet, but during DoD's 3rd PRI video it was mentioned that Chris Madden is considering a WoO run.

WoO is doing a great job rebranding itself as a young guns series, but if Madden does follow the tour that is a big upgrade to the experienced talent on the tour too. Add to that having Rick Eschelman handling the announcing again, they've gotten my interest back. Should be a great season.

I agree, while the talent pool might not be as good as Lucas. I think the WoO series could be a lot more interesting next year. I love the diverse group of drivers, also a lot of them are up and coming young drivers who have a chance at winning some races with Richards leaving the tour. I can see 5-6 drivers winning 3-4 races on tour next year. (Clanton, Sheppard, Moyer Jr, Moran, Shirley, Eckert, and Madded/Overton if they run). Also wouldn't be surprised to see Eric Wells win a few races.

[Snake X3]

I agree, while the talent pool might not be as good as Lucas. I think the WoO series could be a lot more interesting next year. I love the diverse group of drivers, also a lot of them are up and coming young drivers who have a chance at winning some races with Richards leaving the tour. I can see 5-6 drivers winning 3-4 races on tour next year. (Clanton, Sheppard, Moyer Jr, Moran, Shirley, Eckert, and Madded/Overton if they run). Also wouldn't be surprised to see Eric Wells win a few races.

That's is what I am really hoping for. As a whole no one can complain about the competition level in the sport, but unless a few of the Lucas teams step up their compete level, WoO may have the more interesting point battle with or without Madden. Actually with the departure of JD and B-Shep, I think Lucas could use Madden more than WoO. Having Madden on a national tour will be good for the sport no matter which tour he choses.

[W2Racing09]

That's is what I am really hoping for. As a whole no one can complain about the competition level in the sport, but unless a few of the Lucas teams step up their compete level, WoO may have the more interesting point battle with or without Madden. Actually with the departure of JD and B-Shep, I think Lucas could use Madden more than WoO. Having Madden on a national tour will be good for the sport no matter which tour he choses.

I definitely don't think that LOLMDS needs Madden more than WoO. Without Madden the WoO has no real top shelf drivers.

Obviously DoD isn't the gospel on driver rankings, but I think most people would have a pretty close list.

The final top 10 list of 2016 looked like this:
1. Richards
2. Bloomquist
3. Pierce
4. Erb
5. Madden
6. McCreadie
T. McDowell
8. Clanton
9. Davenport
T. Sheppard

Not counting Madden it currently looks like this:

Top 5: WoO: 0, LOLMDS: 3
Top 10: WoO: 2, LOLMDS: 4

With Madden it would look like this:

Top 5: WoO: 1, LOLMDS: 3
Top 10: WoO: 3, LOLMDS: 4

I think Madden would be a great replacement for Richards on the WoO and it would definitely add some top level talent to the WoO which at this point is needed (I think many of the young drivers on the WoO will develop into top level talent over the next few years but I'm not expecting Tyler Erb, Moyer Jr, etc. to win several Crown Jewels in 2017 like Madden and Richards are capable of doing)

Thanks,
Jeff.

[Snake X3]

I definitely don't think that LOLMDS needs Madden more than WoO. Without Madden the WoO has no real top shelf drivers.


LOL...even when we agree, we disagree. I hear what you're saying. My point was that WoO has a very competitive series without Madden. I think Clanton wins the title but IMO B-Shep in the Rocket House car as well as Shirley could make it interesting. But the bigger point is WoO seems to be unofficially branding itself as a Young Guns tour. You add Madden to the mix and there will be less wins for the younger drivers, which...at least from my perspective, I'd be interested in seeing.

On the other hand, Lucas loses JD and B-Shep. They got Richards back. They still could really use another driver of Madden's caliber to fill that void. The series would be great even without him, but I wouldn't mind seeing him go toe to toe with the best and take JDs spot as the rep from the Southern region of the country.

[W2Racing09]

LOL...even when we agree, we disagree. I hear what you're saying. My point was that WoO has a very competitive series without Madden. I think Clanton wins the title but IMO B-Shep in the Rocket House car as well as Shirley could make it interesting. But the bigger point is WoO seems to be unofficially branding itself as a Young Guns tour. You add Madden to the mix and there will be less wins for the younger drivers, which...at least from my perspective, I'd be interested in seeing.

On the other hand, Lucas loses JD and B-Shep. They got Richards back. They still could really use another driver of Madden's caliber to fill that void. The series would be great even without him, but I wouldn't mind seeing him go toe to toe with the best and take JDs spot as the rep from the Southern region of the country.

I don't think branding themselves as the young guns tour was the goal, I think they are just working with the hand that they have currently.

The current WoO roster as it is would definitely be entertaining. But I don't think they have a draw type of drivers. Fans go to see guys like Owens, Richards, Bloomquist, Pierce, Davenport, Madden, etc. I think Tyler Erb and Eric Wells are awesome drivers, but they don't have the same level of drawing power. In order to continue booking big races I think the WoO will definitely need to bring a big name or two to the tour. They should be courting Pierce as well, I think the WoO would have the edge on LOLMDS if they had Pierce and Madden but as it stands they lost their biggest name and added some depth (Sheppard is a nice pickup, but he probably becomes the second best WoO driver currently behind Clanton) in exchange. In 5 years if we look back I bet we will look at the 2017 WoO roster and think it was one of the strongest ever, but I don't think it is going to sell more tickets in 2017 unfortunately. I'll be there whenever they are nearby for sure, I would just like to see a lot of other fans there too.

Thanks,
Jeff.

[plunks7]

My friends and I will be going to more WOO shows this year because Josh is not racing with them. We all agree Clanton is not a shoe in to Win the WOO title by a long shot. Equal playing field now.

[Snake X3]

I don't think branding themselves as the young guns tour was the goal, I think they are just working with the hand that they have currently.

The current WoO roster as it is would definitely be entertaining. But I don't think they have a draw type of drivers.

I have to agree with you on both items. I wasn't even thinking about the draw factor. Sure, I would be more likely to go see a WoO race if the younger guys has a real chance to win each week, but I know I don't think the way most fans do.

I also agree that Bobby Pierce would be the best addition to the series even if it ended up with him stinking up the show. I'd love to see a series with Pierce, Sheppard, Moran, Overton, Erb, The New Deal and Moyer Jr running for points each week. But again, that's just me.

[zach51]

I'm just not sure what is in it for Pierce to run a national tour other than just to shut up the haters. He can run 2-3 nights a week for 5,000 within a short drive from the house, and still hit all the big races he wants. Can't see him passing some 5k to win cherry picking (call it what you want) to go run against the Lucas Oil guys on the other side of the country and run 5th-8th some nights. I dunno, just my opinion. Same thing with Madden really, but he's more series ready I think.

[W2Racing09]

I'm just not sure what is in it for Pierce to run a national tour other than just to shut up the haters. He can run 2-3 nights a week for 5,000 within a short drive from the house, and still hit all the big races he wants. Can't see him passing some 5k to win cherry picking (call it what you want) to go run against the Lucas Oil guys on the other side of the country and run 5th-8th some nights. I dunno, just my opinion. Same thing with Madden really, but he's more series ready I think.

More money, provisional to some of the biggest races, access to more and higher profile sponsors, and probably most importantly for someone trying to make it to the next level of racing (NASCAR) is the exposure. I think it would be decidedly harder to land a big time financial backer, or be noticed by a NASCAR team if on the average Saturday night you are running for $3k at some little track in the Midwest. At least the LOLMDS and WoO shows get National Exposure for every race through DoD, and lots of other racing news outlets, etc. Another thing to gain would be business for the family company, there is a reason why all of the House Cars run a National tour. People in PA don't even see any Pierce chassis at all that often, let alone one winning all the time. If he wants to sell more chassis outside of the Midwest they will eventually need to start racing often in other areas as well. Just my .02 on the matter.

Thanks,
Jeff.

[zach51]

If he was worried about exposure to Nascar he would have not skipped the World Finals to sit at home. Sorry.

[W2Racing09]

If he was worried about exposure to Nascar he would have not skipped the World Finals to sit at home. Sorry.

"Sorry."?

I was responding to your post which I thought was the purpose of this board. No need to act so dismissive, especially since you addressed just one of my points.

So you are of the opinion that Bobby Pierce is not trying to make his way into NASCAR? I agree Charlotte probably would help in that pursuit, but its not like going to the World Finals is a requirement if you are trying to get exposure. Some races provide more bang for your buck (Eldora, DTWC, and other Crown Jewels) in terms of the earnings from the race and the exposure you receive. Especially since most of NASCAR (and its owners, and drivers) is out of town the weekend of the World Finals (I believe they were in Martinsville). Points racing makes it more profitable to drive all the way across the country to a $12k to win race (since you have a pretty good shot at picking up an additional $60-$100k at the end of the season for your troubles -- especially if you are Bobby Pierce).

Thanks,
Jeff.

[zach51]

I think we are on the same page. You claim there is value for him running a national series in regards to Nascar aspirations, maybe so. He should have raced at Charlotte. You act like nobody knows who he his. Everybody in Nascar that would be looking for somebody like him knows who he is. The problem is, Nascar is turning into Indycar, if you don't bring a sponsor with you, you ain't gonna have a ride. I doubt Champion is going to do 30 million per year to sponsor a car full time. Any truck race he has ran other than Eldora, he has stunk. And obviously he can wheel any type of car, that is not even a discussion anymore. He can drive. We all know that.

To answer your questions: Is Bobby trying to get to nascar? Probably, who isn't? But is that his top priority? Nah I don't think so.

Is the World Finals a requirement? No, but if you are trying to swing your D*ck in front of Nascar people, yes it probably is.

I'd argue that if he was full time on a tour, he would not be as well exposed as he already is. Darrell Lanigan was hot stuff until he moved to Lucas and got railroaded. Speaking of Lanigan, he also didn't work out on asphalt.

[W2Racing09]

I think we are on the same page. You claim there is value for him running a national series in regards to Nascar aspirations, maybe so. He should have raced at Charlotte. You act like nobody knows who he his. Everybody in Nascar that would be looking for somebody like him knows who he is. The problem is, Nascar is turning into Indycar, if you don't bring a sponsor with you, you ain't gonna have a ride. I doubt Champion is going to do 30 million per year to sponsor a car full time. Any truck race he has ran other than Eldora, he has stunk. And obviously he can wheel any type of car, that is not even a discussion anymore. He can drive. We all know that.

To answer your questions: Is Bobby trying to get to nascar? Probably, who isn't? But is that his top priority? Nah I don't think so.

Is the World Finals a requirement? No, but if you are trying to swing your D*ck in front of Nascar people, yes it probably is.

I'd argue that if he was full time on a tour, he would not be as well exposed as he already is. Darrell Lanigan was hot stuff until he moved to Lucas and got railroaded. Speaking of Lanigan, he also didn't work out on asphalt.

If Bobby Pierce considers himself to be only as good as Darrell Lanigan was last season then he probably should just stick to running regionally -- I agree. However, I think Bobby could jump on the WoO (even potentially running against Madden week to week) and be a shoe in for a top 2 spot and probably the favorite over Madden, Sheppard and Clanton to win the whole thing. That is a pretty big boost in exposure over winning the The Hell Tour, or UMP National Championship which are only well known in the Midwest or by hardcore fans who are going to know about most of this stuff anyway.

One of the biggest reasons to run on tour would be selling more cars in more areas, if NASCAR isn't the primary goal then helping his family make more money probably has to be -- or at least is pretty close to the top. I see Capital cars gaining traction here in PA, despite being located in GA. I see Club 29 cars around quite a bit too, located in KY. I see Longhorn cars all over the place they are from NC. I rarely see new Pierce cars anywhere around the Mid Atlantic -- the difference, all those others chassis have House Cars running Nationally and getting all of that attention. I would be surprised if the same can't be said for most regions. Winning the World 100, and N/S will certainly help sell some cars all over -- but not as much as weekly drivers watching Pierce run away with races and setting track records against the best drivers in the country on their home track would.

I don't see how it makes sense for Pierce to continuously toil away racing in the Midwest for the rest of his career. He is at the top of what he can do racing in the Midwest already, there is nowhere to go but down as far as that goes since he has already done everything that can be done. Winning an LOLMDS or WoO championship should be the next logical thing to scratch off the list.

Thanks,
Jeff.

[Ryan21mid]

I'm not sure selling a bunch of cars is their goal. And unless the quality increases the idea of it is pointless anyway. I've heard some bad stories about the Pierce cars and with several drivers jumping in them and right back out the past few years solidifies that. I think Bobby is just a fearless wheelman and he'd be fast in anything you put him in. I don't think he could jump on the WoO tour and be a shoe in for the title but I'd say a top 5 contender. He has had success outside of the midwest, yes, but its been spotty. That being said, I do think he is ready for the next step, and a new challenge. Hopefully the money comes along to allow him to progress.

[Ryan21mid]

And I'm not throwing blows at Bobby or the cars. But there's no way at this point in time that they can consistently outperform that Rocket 1 Team with Sheppy at the helm, or Clanton's Capital Championship winning team.

[zach51]

I agree with most everything you said there Jeff, I just don't know if he would be as good on a tour as we think. He'd definitely have to alter his checkers or wreckers mentality. He'd have to learn that some nights 10th may be as good as you are and you have to be OK with that and not blow apart your equipment trying to get one or two extra spots. He does have good results on the Summernationals, but I think being young and wired up most definitely help him out. On a national tour where your veterans have weeks to massage their setups instead of putting new quarter panels on the car, we have yet to see if they can hang. But again, he has made it plenty obvious he can drop in and twirl the top cars in the country from time to time, but could he on a regular basis? I hope so, but who knows.

[W2Racing09]

I agree with most everything you said there Jeff, I just don't know if he would be as good on a tour as we think. He'd definitely have to alter his checkers or wreckers mentality. He'd have to learn that some nights 10th may be as good as you are and you have to be OK with that and not blow apart your equipment trying to get one or two extra spots. He does have good results on the Summernationals, but I think being young and wired up most definitely help him out. On a national tour where your veterans have weeks to massage their setups instead of putting new quarter panels on the car, we have yet to see if they can hang. But again, he has made it plenty obvious he can drop in and twirl the top cars in the country from time to time, but could he on a regular basis? I hope so, but who knows.

Well, lets hope then that someday we will get to find the answer to all of these questions if he jumps on one of the tours. I do agree, maybe I am overvaluing his performance a bit in saying that he is a shoe-in for the top 2. Maybe I'm just being extra-optimistic today.

[Bubstr]

From what I'm reading, some think Midwest regional racing is second class racing. If you deduct the travel expense, most would be ahead dollar wise to race regionally in the Mid West. It's not easy pickings, but there is a lot of money up for grabs. There are more 5k and 10k races just during Hell tour than most areas have all year.Six a week for a month. This does not include The other sanctions and unsanctioned races. Then the tours come threw for more money Why do you suppose Moyer, Mars and Birky came back to regional racing, just to name a few?

[Highside Hustler25]

More money, provisional to some of the biggest races, access to more and higher profile sponsors, and probably most importantly for someone trying to make it to the next level of racing (NASCAR) is the exposure. I think it would be decidedly harder to land a big time financial backer, or be noticed by a NASCAR team if on the average Saturday night you are running for $3k at some little track in the Midwest. At least the LOLMDS and WoO shows get National Exposure for every race through DoD, and lots of other racing news outlets, etc. Another thing to gain would be business for the family company, there is a reason why all of the House Cars run a National tour. People in PA don't even see any Pierce chassis at all that often, let alone one winning all the time. If he wants to sell more chassis outside of the Midwest they will eventually need to start racing often in other areas as well. Just my .02 on the matter.

Thanks,
Jeff.

As successful as Bobby has been, you don't see many guys in a Pierce chassis around here the way you would expect. Not sure why. Their have been a lot of guys try them but few stick with them. Unzicker and Weaver have hung on and Rich Bell ran very well in one last year but with the success Bobby has had, you would think more guys around Illinois would be wheeling one. Don't know the answer.

If Pierce were to run one of the top series, he'd be a threat every night. His only problem might be consistency.

[W2Racing09]

I just wanted to make a list of the drivers for each tour in 2017 that I will update over time. Right now this is just the 2016 Drivers minus the ones we know for sure are not planning to run the series at this point. Please post to let me know if you know for sure of a driver planning to run, or planning to drop off.

LOLMDS DRIVERS
0 - Scott Bloomquist (Sweet/Bloomquist) [House Car]
1 - Josh Richards (Rocket)
39 - Tim McCreadie (Longhorn) [House Car]
5 - Don O'Neal (Club 29)
28E - Dennis Erb Jr (Club 29)
15L - Darrell Lanigan (Club 29) [House Car]
1 - Earl Pearson Jr (Longhorn)
20 - Jimmy Owens (Rocket)
777 - Jared Landers (Sweet/Bloomquist)
75 - Colton Flinner (Rocket)
4 - Bob Gardner (Longhorn)

LOLMDS Dropped from Tour
6 - Jonathan Davenport (Longhorn)
15F - Steve Francis (Black Diamond)
B5 - Brandon Sheppard (Rocket)

LOLMDS Possible Additions
15F - Steve Francis (Capital)

World of Outlaws DRIVERS
1 - Brandon Sheppard (Rocket) [House Car]
25 - Shane Clanton (Capital) [House Car]
7 - Rick Eckert (Longhorn)
21JR - Billy Moyer Jr (Victory) [House Car]
18 - Eric Wells (Longhorn)
1* - Chub Frank (Victory)
3S - Brian Shirley (Longhorn)
99JR - Frank Heckenast (Capital)
14M - Morgan Bagley (Black Diamond)
91 - Tyler Erb (Rocket)
2C - Joey Coulter (Rocket)
99B - Boom Briggs (Victory)
18C - Chase Junghans (Capital)
93 - Donald Bradsher (Longhorn)
99 - Devin Moran (Rocket)
44 - Chris Madden (Longhorn)

WoO Dropped from Tour
76 - Brandon Overton (Capital)
1 - Josh Richards (Rocket)
C9 - Steve Casebolt (Rocket)

WoO Possible Addition(s)
116 - Brandon Overton (Longhorn)
16 - Tyler Bruening (Capital)
22 - G.R Smith (Rocket)
15F - Steve Francis (Capital)

Moved Chris Madden from WoO Possible Additions to World of Outlaws DRIVERS.

Thanks,
Jeff.

[Snake X3]

RE: Pierce on tour - I'd much rather see Pierce run WoO than Lucas...and I say that as a Lucas fan. I'm already much more interested in WoO than ever, but if they had Clanton, Sheppard, Madden and Pierce running each week plus all of the others? That would make for some good shows and take the series up another notch.

I don't know if it makes sense for him to run a tour though. Maybe running a tour would be impossible for him with his father running the chassis biz or maybe he just doesn't want to be out on the road. I'm sure they're smart enough to decide what works best for them. There is plenty of money out there to run a schedule like he has in the past and he ran most of the bigger races as it is.

RE: NASCAR - I think any driver would like the chance to run NASCAR, Indy Car of F1 but I don't know if that's Bobby's ultimate goal. I'd like someone to ask him. Like Zach51 said, NASCAR is like the top open wheel divisions now...no sponsorship = no ride. Would running the World Finals help him get more attention from NASCAR types? Maybe, but unless they have sponsors it doesn't do him much good. Getting a ride with a non-charter team wouldn't allow him to showcase his talents and there are tons of asphalt drivers that are even younger than he is that are already playing the NASCAR game. Pierce is 20 now. In Today's NASCAR time will pass him by pretty quickly. It ain't like it used to be when guys wouldn't get a chance until they were in their late 20s or older. The only older rookies you see now are the ones that are buying their rides.

RE: Pierce chassis - Could Pierce handle servicing as many customers as some of the bigger builders? Much like with the Moyers, to grow the business and be successful as a larger chassis builder I'd think it would require Bob stay at the shop to service customers and Bobby being out there giving his dad the info to do that. Even without running a national tour Bob is on the road with Bobby all the time. I think he'd be hard pressed to keep pace. I'm only guessing. I don't know how big their operation is. I would think part of the reason there aren't more drivers in a Pierce chassis is they aren't ready for production on that scale.

[Highside Hustler25]

It really makes no sense in Bobby running a National tour unless he picks up a MAJOR sponsor. Their is just to many big paying shows around Central Illinois to pass up. He made a lot of money in 2016 without traveling to far.
Bobby took home $150 G in wins alone just racing around home. That's not counting the 100G he won at the World and N/S. Also not counting 11 - 2nd place finishes. That's really good money for not running a tour. I'd guess they pocketed close to 300 G's running pretty much regional with some crown jewels thrown in the mix.
Again, a major sponsor could change all of that.

[PushinTheLimit]

I'm surprised Pierce doesn't already have a major sponsor on his car.

[Josh Bayko]

I'm surprised Pierce doesn't already have a major sponsor on his car.

Major sponsors aren't particularly common in DLM racing.

[PushinTheLimit]

I agree, but with his age, ability and connections... just surprised a big one hasn't come calling him yet.

[Josh Bayko]

I agree, but with his age, ability and connections... just surprised a big one hasn't come calling him yet.

Regional racers aren't going to be high on a potential sponsor's list of drivers to sponsor. Bobby is fantastic, but he's regional. He isn't going to be in front of nearly as many eyes as, say, Josh Richards or Brandon Sheppard.

[Pennsboro23]

There's a rumor going around my area now of a driver that's going to be taking his talents to Lucas next year. I don't want to say much more than that until I get confirmation that it's true. If it is, I can't wait to see it. He's been deserving of a big time ride and run a national series.

[Josh Bayko]

There's a rumor going around my area now of a driver that's going to be taking his talents to Lucas next year. I don't want to say much more than that until I get confirmation that it's true. If it is, I can't wait to see it. He's been deserving of a big time ride and run a national series.

Jared Hawkins in the Hudkins ride?

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

Jared Hawkins in the Hudkins ride?

They will do good if all Lucas shows are at Tyler.

[Pennsboro23]

They will do good if all Lucas shows are at Tyler.

Lol, Jared's good mostly everywhere he goes. Look how well he ran last year at Lawrenceburg and Ponderosa, before mechanical problems. First time ever seeing those tracks and was mixing it up with the leaders.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

Lol, Jared's good mostly everywhere he goes. Look how well he ran last year at Lawrenceburg and Ponderosa, before mechanical problems. First time ever seeing those tracks and was mixing it up with the leaders.
Not a knock on the driver. There is something sub par about the team.

[W2Racing09]

Not a knock on the driver. There is something sub par about the team.

Are they running new or mostly new equipment? I was having a convo with someone at Tyler last season and they were talking about the team and how they had been running some older Bloomquist cars. I seem to remember an article about them acquiring one of the Sweet/Bloomquist cars though so I'm not really sure what to believe. All I know is trying to run a National tour with cars from 2011 or 2012 is probably not going to work well unfortunately when most of the guys are putting new stuff together again even during the season to replace the new stuff they started the season with.

Thanks,
Jeff.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

Are they running new or mostly new equipment? I was having a convo with someone at Tyler last season and they were talking about the team and how they had been running some older Bloomquist cars. I seem to remember an article about them acquiring one of the Sweet/Bloomquist cars though so I'm not really sure what to believe. All I know is trying to run a National tour with cars from 2011 or 2012 is probably not going to work well unfortunately when most of the guys are putting new stuff together again even during the season to replace the new stuff they started the season with.

Thanks,
Jeff.
All I know is they have Bloomquist cars, brand name engines, and a shiny hauler. And several decent drivers couldn't outrun local yokels.

[Pennsboro23]

This is all I'm going to say. It is NOT the Hudkins ride.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

This is all I'm going to say. It is NOT the Hudkins ride.

I agree. It has to be a human element.

[Pennsboro23]

I agree. It has to be a human element.

No, I'm saying it won't be the Hudkins ride on tour.

[bleedblue55]

No, I'm saying it won't be the Hudkins ride on tour.

I know who's ride it is. Top notch equipment. Hope it all works out.

[Pennsboro23]

I know who's ride it is. Top notch equipment. Hope it all works out.

Agreed, he's deserving IMO. Jared and Josh Richards are best friends, he should be able to help Jared a lot on tour.

[Duke100]

What about that Jameson dude? He was running good on one of the Lucas races I saw on TV. Where does he run at?

[bleedblue55]

Agreed, he's deserving IMO. Jared and Josh Richards are best friends, he should be able to help Jared a lot on tour.

Don't think this owner had XR1's last year, not sure about 2017. Knowing Josh will help, having an owner who knows the ropes will too.

[W2Racing09]

What about that Jameson dude? He was running good on one of the Lucas races I saw on TV. Where does he run at?

Jason Jameson? He races at Florence Speedway. He works (or at least used to work) for Club 29/DLR. He was supposed to run for RoY in 2015 on the WoO but that got shelved by DLR after one start at Screven in February.

Thanks,
Jeff.

[Josh Bayko]

All I know is they have Bloomquist cars, brand name engines, and a shiny hauler. And several decent drivers couldn't outrun local yokels.

Hauler wasn't even theirs if I recall. It was Benedum's.

[Josh Bayko]

This is all I'm going to say. It is NOT the Hudkins ride.

That's good then. Jared has always been at his best and most consistent in Rockets.

[zyoung25]

Hauler wasn't even theirs if I recall. It was Benedum's.

Mikes hauler is red. They had the same hauler when Paul drove the car earlier in the year. Unless Mike has 2 haulers.


All I know is they have Bloomquist cars, brand name engines, and a shiny hauler. And several decent drivers couldn't outrun local yokels.

Those cars are Maddens old s/b cars, custom engines, and I don't know where the hauler came from. It seemed they just had weird stuff break. Rocker arms at n/s, and he completely nuked a radiator under caution at Lawrenceburg, something I've never seen before.

[Pennsboro23]

Hauler wasn't even theirs if I recall. It was Benedum's.

I believe they bought it off Benedum at the beginning of last year when Wilmoth was driving.

[Josh Bayko]

Mikes hauler is red. They had the same hauler when Paul drove the car earlier in the year. Unless Mike has 2 haulers.

Mike had a blue hauler in 2015 and prior.

[cutman]

Jason Jameson? He races at Florence Speedway. He works (or at least used to work) for Club 29/DLR. He was supposed to run for RoY in 2015 on the WoO but that got shelved by DLR after one start at Screven in February.

Thanks,
Jeff.

Someone would have to have a lot $ they were willing to spend/waste to put him on tour for a whole year

[GEAR_HEAD]

Mikes hauler is red. They had the same hauler when Paul drove the car earlier in the year. Unless Mike has 2 haulers.



Those cars are Maddens old s/b cars, custom engines, and I don't know where the hauler came from. It seemed they just had weird stuff break. Rocker arms at n/s, and he completely nuked a radiator under caution at Lawrenceburg, something I've never seen before.

Mike's hauler hasn't been red in years. He bought Ernie Davis' blue hauler and cars a few years ago. He made a deal with Hudkins to let him use it.

[swarner69]

just watched the race from down under and i believe the announcer said Francis is running the World of Outlaws. if true that makes 17 following the tour not much room for the locals

[swarner69]

just watched the race from down under and i believe the announcer said Francis is running the World of Outlaws. if true that makes 17 following the tour not much room for the locals

steve francis motorsports has corrected me on facebook that they are not following WoO

[chupp n bloomer fan]

What about that Jameson dude? He was running good on one of the Lucas races I saw on TV. Where does he run at?It would take probably six cars at least to keep him on tour. There's a lot more people who would be a better fit than him. He can drive, but is along the lines of Scott James.

[Duke100]

Jason Jameson? He races at Florence Speedway. He works (or at least used to work) for Club 29/DLR. He was supposed to run for RoY in 2015 on the WoO but that got shelved by DLR after one start at Screven in February.Thanks,Jeff.Must have been a bad race or a bad deal. Do you know what happened?

[cutman]

It would take probably six cars at least to keep him on tour. There's a lot more people who would be a better fit than him. He can drive, but is along the lines of Scott James.

Lol, Scott at least has tour victories and a runner up championship run. Jameson wouldn't come close to that with six cars at his disposal.

[calverton]

you have to run it a couple years to make judgment geesh

[70satomic]

Who all miss's the HAV-A-TAMPA days where you didn't have to drive cross country to see 5 of the series race's

[calverton]

That would be called a regional series

[HoosierDirtFan]

ADD #1B Brent Larson to the 2017 World Of Outlaws Late Model Series Rookie Chase.

[W2Racing09]

ADD #1B Brent Larson to the 2017 World Of Outlaws Late Model Series Rookie Chase.

Updated - Thanks.

Does anyone know what kind of chassis he runs?

[zyoung25]

Larson ran a xr1 last season. That would be my guess.

[schlieperfan9]

Larson ran a xr1 last season. That would be my guess.

He ran a Rocket part of the season, not a XR1. It was Jordan Yaggys old car. He later had a Club29 and now he will be driving a Longhorn. I know he is going to GA/FL to race but no official word on the World of Outlaw rookie of the Year deal. I would think Arnie Ranta will decide if and when that might happen. Larson needs seat time and has a great opportunity to make something happen with Arnie.

[Pennsboro23]

Looks like the Jared Hawkins to Lucas deal might be over. He still might drive for this car owner but looks to be more of a regional deal if anything.