Gateway Thursday Updates

[Ryan21mid]

I'll post what i can.
97 LM
128 Mods

LM Round 1:
TOP 10
Lanigan
Bloomquist
Casey Roberts
Tim Senic
Moyer JR
Chris Simpson
Jacob Magee
K Rob
Coulter
Stovall

Notables:
Feger 12
Babb 16
Hubbard 20
Shirley 32
Unzicker 40
ONeal 42
Moran 46
Sheppard 58
Pierce 74
Weaver 81

Mods up next

[Highside Hustler25]

Who said Bloomer can't get around a bullring?

[ptown]

Wonder what's the fast way around, top or bottom?

[Ryan21mid]

All around the bottom so far, startening to widen out a tad but gonna take a while to blow the crumbs all the way to the wall to see if the top is gonna come in.

[Slideways]

Way to go Casey Roberts!!

[Snake X3]

There won't be any Late Model races tonight...just qualifying. UGG

[zyoung25]

Bloomquist looked terrible his first lap. Even seemed to be fighting the car the 2nd lap, it was coming off the corner like no one else that I seen. I didn't get to see Lanigan run.

[golddirt]

Where is the other 175 cars? Kenny Wallace said 400 cars!!

[slmcrewchief99]

Hey Zac, what did they do after the supers timed in? Did they spend the last hour reworking the track? I see the mods are just now timing in. What's the scoop???...

[DarrellGoode]

How loud is it? Also How did Billy Moyer SR do? And Shirley is there? Didn't think he was coming?

[Snake X3]

Moyer Sr was a no show. Shirley is there.

[slmcrewchief99]

Moyer Sr. isn't there. Stayed home fighting the flu. Yes Shirley is there. 32nd fast in round 1.

[Bob Hubbard]

How many rounds left I wouldnt mind watching some on dod ...

[zyoung25]

It's not any louder than he sx events I've been too.

Shirley is driving a 53s car. Appears to be one of Erbs old rayburn cars.

After the first round of lates they watered the track and ran it in. There's a decent hole in 1&2, and small hole in 3....nothing these shouldn't be used to though.

They got 1 more round each of mods and lates, then I THINK they're running some mod heats.

Ben just announced Billy Sr is home sick, that's why he isn't here.

[Ryan21mid]

Almost halfway thru mods round 1. Then we do it Allllllll over again. Then mod heats and LCQ

[bullring]

Full round of late models plus a round and a half of mod qualifying left plus mod heats. My son works second shift. I told him he'll be home in time for mod heats.

[ptown]

Almost halfway thru mods round 1. Then we do it Allllllll over again. Then mod heats and LCQ


So that's almost 8 hours of qualifying? I wouldn't watch that if they came and picked me up let me in free and took me back home.

[zyoung25]

So that's almost 8 hours of qualifying? I wouldn't watch that if they came and picked me up let me in free and took me back home.

So sit at home with all your friends and be happy about life. Please shut the h€ll up. We don't need you're negativity in this thread.

[klemmabyna]

Ryan21mid: Thank you for the updates. don't be afraid to pass on the modified (go jesse sobbing!) info too!






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[3 wide]

I wouldn't set thru 8 hrs of qualifying if they paid me by the hour I got better things to do.

[klemmabyna]

a live timing and scoring link provided by Ryan21mid in another thread:

https://www.race-monitor.com/Live/Race/50416

[JCSullivan00]

It's kind of a disaster truthfully.

They can only qualify a hand full of cars, and then take a 15-20 minute break. I'm not sure if it's for ventilation issues or what, but this is going to take forever.

Are we going to have to throw a caution every 3 laps of a heat race and shut the cars off for 15 minutes.

[dirtdobber45]

Thanx for the updates fellas

[bullring]

Are these breaks for fumes or what?

[Ryan21mid]

Track is picking up speed as the mods are running. No black showing yet, still running middle-bottom. Just turned one over on the front stretch. About 20 cars left. Jeffery Ledford, Mullins, Droste, Bittle, Lee, Eilers, Black, Culp, Young, Harrison, Long, Kay Top 12.

[Highside Hustler25]

Yes, they are taking breaks for ventilation.
Moyer said the track was starting to see a little black off of turn 2.

[ptown]

Yes, they are taking breaks for ventilation.

That's not a good, what's going to happen when heats and features are ran.

[cjsracing]

lots of haters. I wish I would have been able to go down there. From the facebook live videos I've seen this afternoon it looks awesome.

[ride height]

This is sad but looks like its going to be a cluster. Theyll be there til the sun comes up at this rate.
I realize this is the first year and theres a learning curve, but so far its not looking promising for this to work out like everybody hoped. If they have to stop and let it ventilate that often, its likely to become more of a pain in the a$$ than fun for the racers.

[ptown]

Now they're repairing the fence.

[ride height]

Seets rolled it at the flagstand. Theres a video of it on youtube. Man thats a small track.

[*WEAVER*]

Where at? I was trying to find it, but didn't see anything.

[ride height]

I just typed in ...Gateway dirt on search bar. Scrolled down, and boom...there it was

[chupp n bloomer fan]

THEY ARE DOING ALL THE QUALIFYING TODAY. No one is forcing anyone to go or to watch it on PPV. Qualifying and mod heats today.

I'm buying it tomorrow on PPV, because I knew today was qualifying. So therefore I didn't purchase it today. Guess I missed where it was required to go all three days or to purchase all three days.:)

[chupp n bloomer fan]

Yes, they are taking breaks for ventilation.
Moyer said the track was starting to see a little black off of turn 2.That sucks for them. To plan out everything, but obviously you don't know how the ventilation will be until you get cars out there. Hopefully they can make some tweaks with airflow and get it better.

[rickybrown1952]

Didn't see the video of the flip

[*WEAVER*]

Here it is..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQ4Qp8x6Obg

[WisWildManFan]

Sure glad I didn't go down for today.

[loose_is_fast]

he was broke before hitting the wall

[ptown]

Here it is..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQ4Qp8x6Obg

WOW, no wall at all, just touch the barrier and start climbing. I see lots of this in their future.

[Highside Hustler25]

That sucks for them. To plan out everything, but obviously you don't know how the ventilation will be until you get cars out there. Hopefully they can make some tweaks with airflow and get it better.

It's not like it's the first time a indoor show had to take a break due to ventilation issues. No big deal really.

[WisWildManFan]

It's not like it's the first time a indoor show had to take a break due to ventilation issues. No big deal really. 5 hours for 1 round of qualifying for less than half of the expected entries is kind of a big deal

[WisWildManFan]

are they even going to be able to race?

[Snake X3]

Due to the lower than expected car count, there won't be any LM race tonight, just modified stuff.

[Ryan21mid]

They're only running 2 laps a piece in round 2. Everyone's lap times are a half second or more slower than the first round so I'm guessing most everyone will be using their first round time.

[WisWildManFan]

They're only running 2 laps a piece in round 2. Everyone's lap times are a half second or more slower than the first round so I'm guessing most everyone will be using their first round time. They don't average their two round positions?

[Ryan21mid]

No one is improving lap times, I questioned this format and it has indeed proven ineffective as the track has changed. Should've just split everyone into groups like normal.

[Ryan21mid]

They don't average their two round positions?

No, best time overall.

[WisWildManFan]

No, best time overall. They should just cancel round 2 of mod qualifying then.

[Ryan21mid]

I agree. LM R2 is now complete.
Top 10
Nick Hoffman @ 11.506 R1 Time was 11.087
Tanner English
Ray Cook
Michael Kloos
Schlenk
Jackson JR
Unzicker
Moyer JR
Chris Simpson

Bloomer 11th, Pierce 49th, Sheppard 54th

[Nasty55]

No, best time overall.

I thought the 3D of the track looked pretty cool but after seeing this track on Live TV it really isnt that impressive or is there something im missing about it Ryan?


They should just cancel round 2 of mod qualifying then.


Kind of my thoughts as well WWMF but they may be taking tonight and using it as a stepping stone for what they need to do for tomorrow and saturday as far as the ventilation goes and what not... How many mod's to start the mod feature and Late's to start their feature?

[bullring]

I was worried about not getting home from work in time to watch modified heats. Now I worried about staying awake until they start.

[Bubstr]

There was all kinds of questions about the format that still haven't been answered. Are we beginning to see why? If it was a best of two rounds and no track prep, in between, why run the second round? Draw for both rounds? No groups? No inverted order and average the times?

Something tells me, there will be straight up starts and short races. With a 1/5 mile track, ten laps is only two miles. That isn't very far to overcome two bad pill draws. Oh well the atmosphere is great.

[WisWildManFan]

better just cut the roof right off the top :)

[chupp n bloomer fan]

It's not like it's the first time a indoor show had to take a break due to ventilation issues. No big deal really.Hopefully not, but it can be. Not trying to be negative Nancy, but the CO2 sh!t is definitely nothing to mess with, and hinders the flow of the show.

[chathamracefan]

I'm watching on ppv tonight and going tomorrow and Saturday. I think this thing has potential. Some bugs to work out but they might be onto something. I know I'm gonna have fun this weekend regardless

[TackyTracker]

remember back when eldora would get 200 cars and after they qualified the LM non-qual was just getting started way after midnight... of course that's been a long time ago but these guys are trying to do the best they can I think..

[REM1187]

(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word) why do you all have to be whiny lil bitches. There is late model and modified racing in Dec enjoy it and quit being lil bitches

[Ryan21mid]

I thought the 3D of the track looked pretty cool but after seeing this track on Live TV it really isnt that impressive or is there something im missing about it Ryan?




Kind of my thoughts as well WWMF but they may be taking tonight and using it as a stepping stone for what they need to do for tomorrow and saturday as far as the ventilation goes and what not... How many mod's to start the mod feature and Late's to start their feature?

It's not terrible, probably the best with what they had to work with. Only issues I see are the surface is just real crumby and would race better if it would clean up, more banking would probably help but not sure how much more they could get in it, and the infield tires are an issue.

[Nasty55]

It's not terrible, probably the best with what they had to work with. Only issues I see are the surface is just real crumby and would race better if it would clean up, more banking would probably help but not sure how much more they could get in it, and the infield tires are an issue.



Yeah Ryan thats a couple of the things that i noticed was the crumbling effect of the surface and the Banking... But if my memory serves me correctly That dirt that they are using requires alot of water to not only make the track stay together but also make it racey.... I may be wrong and it wouldnt be the first time but when we have went and watched SuperCross that same dirt made for a good quality race track that was bad fukn fast for the Bikes but then again the weight to tire Ratio is much much different here than with the Bikes...

[Centeroff]

Anybody wanna take a guess what the actual track size is if you run the bottom around the tires? I'm gonna say 1/7 mile. Late models may hit 65mph at the end of the straight away. If you get a good spot, your the man in the catbird seat. Gonna be so tough to pass. I'm for once a fan of the cushion this week. If the top doesn't come to life and get some speed up there, I'm afraid it's gonna be a snoozer fellas. On a good note, were racing in the Midwest in the middle of December. The corners are over 60' wide so from a fan perspective we need a cushion to come to life. For all who is there and traveling there, be safe and enjoy. St Louis is a rough city so don't make the wrong turn. Lock all car doors and park your car where it's in the open. Boogidy boogidy boogidy, let's go racing boys!

[WisWildManFan]

choo choo leaving the station

[FourDeepInTheFluff]

Really should scratch the qualifying next time. Cap it at 75 entries in each class, pill draw for heats, start at 3 p.m. Farm the track every 3 or 4 races depending on how delays need to be scheduled for ventilation. Just those things alone will help this deal tremendously.

[Highside Hustler25]

Anybody wanna take a guess what the actual track size is if you run the bottom around the tires? I'm gonna say 1/7 mile. Late models may hit 65mph at the end of the straight away. If you get a good spot, your the man in the catbird seat. Gonna be so tough to pass. I'm for once a fan of the cushion this week. If the top doesn't come to life and get some speed up there, I'm afraid it's gonna be a snoozer fellas. On a good note, were racing in the Midwest in the middle of December. The corners are over 60' wide so from a fan perspective we need a cushion to come to life. For all who is there and traveling there, be safe and enjoy. St Louis is a rough city so don't make the wrong turn. Lock all car doors and park your car where it's in the open. Boogidy boogidy boogidy, let's go racing boys!

You're probably pretty close on the track size. They compared it to Macon but considering Lanigans fast time was only 4 tenths off Moyers Macon track record tells me something. Moyer ran around 10.2 on a high banked and tacky Macon track. Lanigan was only 4 tenths slower with literally no banking and a very lose surface. That tells me Gateway has to be somewhat shorter in distance.
They got around pretty good in qualifying. 12 car heat races should be a sight to see.

[Bob Hubbard]

I fell asleep last nite after I logged on to watch .... Got up at 530 this am and it looks like thet DVR it for me .... Kinda nice of them to repeat the show for us while i drink my morning caffine ....

[plunks7]

Thursday time trials (official)

Driver (car no.), hometown, time
1.Darrell Lanigan (29), Union, Ky., 10.687
2.Scott Bloomquist (0), Mooresburg, Tenn., 10.889
3.Casey Roberts (101), Toccoa, Ga., 10.905
4.Tim Senic (S2), Elkins, W.Va., 10.923
5.Billy Moyer Jr. (21jr), Batesville, Ark., 10.932
6.Chris Simpson (32), Oxford, Iowa, 10.968
7.Jacob Magee (10M), Caney, Kan., 10.992
8.Kent Robinson (7r), Bloomington, Ind., 11.004
9.Joey Coulter (49c), Miami Beach, Fla., 11.013
10.Jesse Stovall (00), Billings, Mo., 11.035
11.Chad Zobrist (78), Highland, Ill., 11.039
12.Jason Feger (25), Bloomington, Ill., 11.040
13.Ray Cook (53), Brasstown, N.C., 11.041
14.Bob Gardner (4G), East Peoria, Ill., 11.048
15.Daryn Klein (10), Fairview Heights, Ill., 11.054
16.Shannon Babb (18), Moweaqua, Ill., 11.064
17.Justin Kay (15k), Wheatland, Iowa, 11.065
18.Nick Hoffman (2), Mooresville, N.C., 11.087
19.Michael Kloos (6k), Trenton, Ill., 11.100
20.Austin Hubbard (11), Seaford, Del., 11.115
21.Scott Bell (45), East Prairie, Mo., 11.127
22.Rusty Schlenk (24HR), Weston, Ohio, 11.133
23.Tony Jackson Jr. (26R), Lebanon, Mo., 11.138
24.Matt Bailey (52), Highland, Ill., 11.151
25.Matt Santel (17x), New Memphis, Ill., 11.154
26.Shannon Scott (4X), Henryetta, Ohio, 11.181
27.Dustin Griffin (20), Camp Point, Ill., 11.184
28.Doug Glessner (17G), Boswell, Pa., 11.185
29.Spencer Diercks (29), Davenport, Iowa, 11.203
30.Mike Schulte (27m), Summerfield, Ill., 11.247
31.Gordy Gundaker (11G), St. Charles, Mo., 11.261
32.Brian Shirley (53S), Chatham, Ill., 11.287
33.Scott Ward (37), Watertown, S.D., 11.295
34.Greg Kimmons (27K), Pleasant Plains, Ill., 11.297
35.Mike Spatola (89), Manhattan, Ill., 11.300
36.Cole Swibold (98S), Fairview, Ill., 11.308
37.Scott Lewis (99), Henderson, Colo., 11.312
38.Steve Thorsten (7T), Milford, Ill., 11.327
39.Tanner English (33), Benton, Ky., 11.331
40.Ryan Unzicker (24), El Paso, Ill., 11.338
41.Rob Toland (39), Davenport, Iowa, 11.340
42.Don O’Neal (5), Martinsville, Ind., 11.347
43.Rodney Melvin (53M), Benton, Ill., 11.354
44.Scott Fitzpatrick (24F), Wheatland, Iowa, 11.377
45.Jeff Herzog (11H), Herculaneum, Mo., 11.399
46.Devin Moran (99m), Dresden, Ohio, 11.405
47.Brant Kehrer (92), New Memphis, Ill., 11.409
48.Austin Rettig (94), Sikeston, Mo., 11.416
49.Jeff Roth (14R), Bentonville, Ark., 11.428
50.Payton Looney (15X), Republic, Mo., 11.439
51.Jason Perry (27), Payson, Ill., 11.440
52.Jason Suhre (4S), Highland, Ill., 11.446
53.Russ Ogletree (88r), Salem, Ala., 11.463
54.Caleb Ashby (61), Cunningham, Tenn., 11.486
55.Hunter Rasdon (R5), Jonesboro, Ark., 11.487
56.Rick Salter (1S), Aviston, Ill., 11.506
57.Jimmy Sharpe Jr. (26jr), Vidalia, Ga., 11.529
58.Brandon Sheppard (B5), New Berlin, Ill., 11.534
59.Charles LaPlant (3C), East Prairie, Mo., 11.561
60.Randy Timms (5T), Wheatland, Okla., 11.573
61.Zach McMillan (14Z), Gladewater, Texas, 11.575
62.Timothy Culp (c8), Prattsville, Ark., 11.596
63.Mark Voigt (30V), Marine, Ill., 11.614
64.Kolby Vandenbergh (15V), Ashland, Ill., 11.627
65.Jeremy Sneed (24S), Bluford, Ill., 11.628
66.Derek Fetter (32F), Troy, Mo., 11.647
67.Matt Taylor (44), Springfield, Ill., 11.675
68.Austin Theiss (7D), Hockley, Texas, 11.682
69.Jay Elliott (00E), Phenix City, Ala., 11.686
70.Chris Fetter (15F), Troy, Mo., 11.688
71.David Payne (7), Ward, Ark., 11.704
72.Michael Luna (18L), Baxter, Tenn., 11.710
73.Jason Zobrist (87), Highland, Ill., 11.729
74.Bobby Pierce (32), Oakwood, Ill., 11.753
75.Harrison Hall (99J), Circleville, Ohio, 11.818
76.Casey Montague (01), Trey, Ill., 11.832
77.Bryan Collins (11Z), Elsberry, Mo., 11.854
78.Samuel Tolley (8JR), Butler, Ind., 11.906
79.Robbie Bauman (30JR), Fairview, Ill., 11.943
80.Mike Hammerle (16H), St. Charles, Mo., 11.952
81.Kevin Weaver (B12), Gibson City, Ill., 11.964
82.Dan Jacober (22), Highland, Ill., 11.981
83.T.J. Markham (21M), Sycamore, Ill., 11.985
84.Justin Russell (0X), Henley, Mo., 12.016
85.Reid Millard (14X), Jefferson City, Mo., 12.073
86.Jon Driskill (88), Centertown, Mo., 12.084
87.Cody Holtkamp (23), Holts Summit, Mo., 12.110
88.Ricky Mardis (2M), West Lafayette, Ohio, 12.152
89.Chris Geisen (51x), Cottage Hills, Ill., 12.166
90.Jim Gray (1G), Lynchburg, Tenn., 12.166
91.Michael Walker (64), Lewisburg, Tenn., 12.190
92.Nick Davis (92), Delmas, Del., 12.357
93.Steve Beach (10S), Eldon, Mo., 12.386
94.Kevin Palmer (12), Woodbine, Md., 12.454
95.Brandon Tibaldi (17), Almo, Ky., 12.509
96.Brian Mullins (47), Cincinnati, Ohio, 12.988
97.Dustin Reese (13R), East Grove, Ill., 13.063

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[plunks7]

Gateway heat lineups, time trial results

December 15, 2016, 9:49 pm


ST. LOUIS, Mo. — Thursday’s preliminary time trials for the VP Racing Fuels Gateway Dirt Nationals presented by Karl Performance setting Friday’s heat race lineups at The Dome at America's Center:

Friday’s heat race lineups

(Eight laps - winners transfer; 2nd-5th to B-mains; 6th-8th to C-mains; 9th-13th to D-mains)
First heat
Row 1: Darrell Lanigan, Joey Coulter
Row 2: Justin Kay, Matt Santel
Row 3: Scott Ward, Rob Toland
Row 4: Jeff Roth, Jimmy Sharpe Jr.
Row 5: Jeremy Sneed, Jason Zobrist
Row 6: Kevin Weaver, Jim Gray
Row 7: Dustin Reese
Second heat
Row 1: Scott Bloomquist, Jesse Stovall
Row 2: Nick Hoffman, Shannon Scott
Row 3: Greg Kimmons, Don O'Neal
Row 4: Payton Looney, Brandon Sheppard
Row 5: Derek Fetter, Bobby Pierce
Row 6: Dan Jacober, Chris Geisen
Third heat
Row 1: Casey Roberts, Chad Zobrist
Row 2: Michael Kloos, Dustin Griffin
Row 3: Mike Spatola, Rodney Melvin
Row 4: Jason Perry, Charles LaPlant
Row 5: Matt Taylor, Harrison Hall
Row 6: T.J. Markham, Michael Walker
Fourth heat
Row 1: Tim Senic, Jason Feger
Row 2: Austin Hubbard, Doug Glessner
Row 3: Cole Swibold, Scott Fitzpatrick
Row 4: Jason Suhre, Randy Timms
Row 5: Austin Theiss, Casey Montague
Row 6: Justin Russell, Nick Davis
Fifth heat
Row 1: Billy Moyer Jr., Ray Cook
Row 2: Scott Bell, Spencer Diercks
Row 3: Scott Lewis, Jeff Herzog
Row 4: Russ Ogletree, Zach McMillan
Row 5: Jay Elliott, Bryan Collins
Row 6: Reid Millard, Steve Beach
Sixth heat
Row 1: Chris Simpson, Bob Gardner
Row 2: Rusty Schlenk, Mike Schulte
Row 3: Steve Thorsten, Devin Moran
Row 4: Caleb Ashby, Timothy Culp
Row 5: Chris Fetter, Samuel Tolley
Row 6: Jon Driskill, Kevin Palmer
Seventh heat
Row 1: Jacob Magee, Daryn Klein
Row 2: Tony Jackson Jr., Gordy Gundaker
Row 3: Tanner English, Brant Kehrer
Row 4: Hunter Rasdon, Mark Voigt
Row 5: David Payne, Robbie Bauman
Row 6: Cody Holtkamp, Brandon Tibaldi
Eighth heat
Row 1: Kent Robinson, Shannon Babb
Row 2: Matt Bailey, Brian Shirley
Row 3: Ryan Unzicker, Austin Rettig
Row 4: Rick Salter, Kolby Vandenbergh
Row 5: Michael Luna, Mike Hammerle
Row 6: Ricky Mardis, Brian Mullins

[Goodwrench]

The ventilation issues can be corrected. They just need a controls contractor in there to override OA and exhaust dampers. No big deal, you would think this would already be in place.

[Bubstr]

Eight 12 car heats, only 8 laps and one car moves to the feature? Why not just take them from times and save the vent problems, to some extent. A mile and a half race will be over by the time they get spread out to race. The last Mod race rolled off at 3.11 AM this morning. That is just too late, with out dancing girls and alcohol involved. That would be better than shortening the feature, which is just 8 miles long now. Most of us go farther than that, to get to the grocery store. Most 20k races are 100 laps. I sure hope I'm wrong, but this format doesn't seem like a fan friendly one. It should be interesting to see, how many cars the winner passes to win the Feature. This isn't whine, it's constructive criticism. Who likes a time trial to checkers fast track?

[chupp n bloomer fan]

(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word) why do you all have to be whiny lil bitches. There is late model and modified racing in Dec enjoy it and quit being lil bitchesOn an opinionated racing site/forum, b!tching about people b!tching, gotcha.

[Mantis]

Fell asleep prior to the Mod heats......how was the track for racing?

[ptown]

Fell asleep prior to the Mod heats......how was the track for racing?

One lane bottom follow the leader.

[Mantis]

Ugh....I was afraid of that.

Thanks.

[ptown]

Ugh....I was afraid of that.

Thanks.

I only watched one race, it was live streamed in ray bollinger facebook page, it's still on there for those that want to watch, lots of yellows.

[CIRF]

That sucks for them. To plan out everything, but obviously you don't know how the ventilation will be until you get cars out there. Hopefully they can make some tweaks with airflow and get it better.

cnbf, the same situation with carbon monoxide presented itself last year at the Indy Invitational. I was afraid the CO problem might rear it's ugly head at St. Louis, as well! Could be another very long night. If they're having CO problems just with qualifying one can only imagine how bad it could possibly be when they get 10 or 12 cars racing all at once. Hope they get it figured out for tonight.

We might be a very late arrival (or a very early Saturday morning arrival) at our rooms over at Du Quoin.

[cjp0354]

Anybody know what time they let spectators into the dome yesterday???

Stop b!tching!! We're racing in December. Life is good!

[CIRF]

Stop b!tching!! We're racing in December. Life is good!

Nothing not to love about racing in December and January but when you have the St Louis health department periodically halting the racing action due to high carbon monoxide levels life becomes not so good.

[MI Dirt Fan]

Stop b!tching!! We're racing in December. Life is good!

Alot of tracks race in December

[zach51]

Seems like something like this would work better at a stadium like in Dallas or Arizona (of course in AZ you could just race outside in December), but a stadium that had a retractable roof you could crack at times and endzones that you could crack or leave open. I doubt Jerry Jones would ever let it happen, but if the right money came along probably. They usually do Supercross/Monster Jam/Bullriding back to back weekends in February/March so that they only have to haul the dirt in and out 1 time. Talk about an event this would be at a venue where you didn't have to worry about ventilation. You'd have 1,000 modifieds show up for that thing lol. Good thing about Dallas/Atlanta is that you can get a direct flight in there from nearly any spot in the free world.

[cjp0354]

Alot of tracks race in December


Not 2.5 hours from my home they don't. I went to the disaster in Indy and didn't think twice about buying tickets for St. Louis the day they went on sale. I'm not at work and I can see and smell a race car on the track. Life is good.

[Wells Racing Photos]

Anybody know what time they let spectators into the dome yesterday???

Stop b!tching!! We're racing in December. Life is good!

I saw 2 or 2:30, don't really remember which one...

[cjp0354]

I saw 2 or 2:30, don't really remember which one...

Thanks Wells.

[CIRF]

Not 2.5 hours from my home they don't. I went to the disaster in Indy and didn't think twice about buying tickets for St. Louis the day they went on sale. I'm not at work and I can see and smell a race car on the track. Life is good.

I was at the Indy fiasco too, and it was a fairly significant monetary commitment to attend that deal. The sting of what it cost is still fresh enough to definitely make one think twice. Not because we can't afford it, but because we just don't want to be screwed again so soon. LOL!!

Ya' can't see or smell (maybe you can smell, LOL!!) a race car on the track when they shut down the action due to high CO levels. Waiting interminably for the air to clear is not most peoples idea of life being good but of course that's all in the eye of the beholder.

We'll be seeing and smelling race cars on a dirt track Saturday night without interruption due to high CO levels but it won't be at St. Louis.

[cjp0354]

I was at the Indy fiasco too, and it was a fairly significant monetary commitment to attend that deal. The sting of what it cost is still fresh enough to definitely make one think twice. Not because we can't afford it, but because we just don't want to be screwed again so soon. LOL!!

Ya' can't see or smell (maybe you can smell, LOL!!) a race car on the track when they shut down the action due to high CO levels. Waiting interminably for the air to clear is not most peoples idea of life being good but of course that's all in the eye of the beholder.

We'll be seeing and smelling race cars on a dirt track Saturday night without interruption due to high CO levels but it won't be at St. Louis.

I can't imagine there being delays at an open wheel event. It's not like you have to push start all of them or deal with a flip ever other race. Those things are death traps. That being said if this St Louis thing wasn't happening, I would be sitting right next to you. I just want to watch racing. And I hate the negativity of this sport.

[pkracer]

Racing was over at 2:30

[WisWildManFan]

Heat 7 and 8 last night were side by side. They watered after heat 2.

[CIRF]

I can't imagine there being delays at an open wheel event. It's not like you have to push start all of them or deal with a flip ever other race.I can. Delays happen all the time at open wheel events but that isn't what's being discussed here. We're talking delays from high CO levels due to inadequate ventilation. With that being said, if the track and sanction have their $hit together there is little to no delay from push starting so for the most part that's a moot point, anyway. But again, that's not what the discussion is about.
Those things are death traps.Hmmmm. I seem to recall a fatality involving a dirt late model just about 3 months ago. They're all death traps when things go very wrong, wouldn't you say?

That being said if this St Louis thing wasn't happening, I would be sitting right next to you. I just want to watch racing. And I hate the negativity of this sport.I hate the negativity, as well.

One of the numerous reasons the event at Indy was such a disaster is because there was no anticipation of the racing repeatedly being temporarily halted due to the Indy health dept. monitoring the CO levels and finding them to be higher than safe parameters.

However, with the memory of Indy, and the hole in my wallet, of the biggest debacle in dirt racing since they put dirt on Rockford Speedway fresh in our minds we'll opt for what very rarely is a bad show. If it's a bad show I'll be front and center to say so, with feeling!

[calverton]

Right sure you will midget brain

[calverton]

heat 7 and 8 last night were side by side. They watered after heat 2. they should 've watered it and left it alone

[CIRF]

There was a perverton sighting near the Dome last night. Someone got some video! Here it is!!


http://www.megalook.ru/callhim.php?namee=perverton

[cjp0354]

I can. Delays happen all the time at open wheel events but that isn't what's being discussed here. We're talking delays from high CO levels due to inadequate ventilation. With that being said, if the track and sanction have their $hit together there is little to no delay from push starting so for the most part that's a moot point, anyway. But again, that's not what the discussion is about. Hmmmm. I seem to recall a fatality involving a dirt late model just about 3 months ago. They're all death traps when things go very wrong, wouldn't you say?
I hate the negativity, as well.

One of the numerous reasons the event at Indy was such a disaster is because there was no anticipation of the racing repeatedly being temporarily halted due to the Indy health dept. monitoring the CO levels and finding them to be higher than safe parameters.

However, with the memory of Indy, and the hole in my wallet, of the biggest debacle in dirt racing since they put dirt on Rockford Speedway fresh in our minds we'll opt for what very rarely is a bad show. If it's a bad show I'll be front and center to say so, with feeling!

You cant say that open wheeled cars are as safe as a late model. I would say on average 5 people die a year in those things. And very few die in late models. And the ones that don't die are left in a wheel chair. The things I am saying are true. Think of the stars alone that are dead or can't walk. Lefler, Shane hmeil(spelling), swindel, Clausen. That's just a few note able ones. That one year I think maybe 2013 like 6 or 7 people died in them.

Wow I just reread that and I sound like a uneducated child. Too lazy to correct. I think you'll get my point

[WisWildManFan]

How can u complain with comped tix?

[CIRF]

You cant say that open wheeled cars are as safe as a late model. I would say on average 5 people die a year in those things. And very few die in late models. And the ones that don't die are left in a wheel chair. The things I am saying are true. Think of the stars alone that are dead or can't walk. Lefler, Shane hmeil(spelling), swindel, Clausen. That's just a few note able ones. That one year I think maybe 2013 like 6 or 7 people died in them.

Wow I just reread that and I sound like a uneducated child. Too lazy to correct. I think you'll get my pointAs I said, just 3 months ago. I really wouldn't test fate too much by saying very few. That can change in the blink of an eye and personally I don't like to tempt fate when the distinct possibility exists every time the green flag flies.

Never said they were any safer or even as safe as a late model. However, of all the guys you mentioned only Bryan was killed in a midget. That IS what we're comparing here, aren't we?

In reference to the other guys you make light of, they were casualties of the bigger open wheel cars. The power to weight ratio of a full on 410 is far wider than a dirt late. In most cases they're somewhat faster and reaction times need to be quicker. Thus the possibility of injury is more acute. Just a matter of physics. Jack Hewitt is on record as saying it takes a better driver to successfully wheel an open wheel car as opposed to a late model or modified. He won races in 4 divisions of the open wheel cars and also in late models. Some guys are cut out for it and some aren't. If ya' wanna' dispute that take it up with Jack!! LOL!!

5 people a year on average? What proof do you have that that is the case or are you merely speculating again.


How can u complain with comped tix?Show me where I've complained about anything but Indy and Kemper. I've only made the point that given the track record of the indoor racing we've attended, when given a choice of a near sure thing as opposed to previously untried venues inside sports complex domes in highly populated urban areas we'll opt for the near sure thing on Saturday night. The only way they were able to keep racing at Kemper throughout the evening is when they opened all the doors. Problem was temperatures were in the teens and the wind was blowing. They might as well have been racing outside. I know, I was there. It is looking increasingly like the unacceptable CO situation will be 3 for 3 unless they can find a solution over night. Let's hope they do, I'm going to be there tonight! LOL!

[zyoung25]

Seems like something like this would work better at a stadium like in Dallas or Arizona (of course in AZ you could just race outside in December), but a stadium that had a retractable roof you could crack at times and endzones that you could crack or leave open. I doubt Jerry Jones would ever let it happen, but if the right money came along probably. They usually do Supercross/Monster Jam/Bullriding back to back weekends in February/March so that they only have to haul the dirt in and out 1 time. Talk about an event this would be at a venue where you didn't have to worry about ventilation. You'd have 1,000 modifieds show up for that thing lol. Good thing about Dallas/Atlanta is that you can get a direct flight in there from nearly any spot in the free world.

Those stadiums you mention are being used, the goergia dome is set to be tore down.

[WisWildManFan]

Racing getting much better as night is going on tonight. Hats off!

[zyoung25]

Racing getting much better as night is going on tonight. Hats off!

Agreed. Hopefully everyone will shut up that aren't here. I'm sick of hearing whining. Let us enjoy our show, and give updates to the ones that wish they could be here.

[calverton]

as i said, just 3 months ago. I really wouldn't test fate too much by saying very few. That can change in the blink of an eye and personally i don't like to tempt fate when the distinct possibility exists every time the green flag flies.never said they were any safer or even as safe as a late model. However, of all the guys you mentioned only bryan was killed in a midget. That is what we're comparing here, aren't we?in reference to the other guys you make light of, they were casualties of the bigger open wheel cars. The power to weight ratio of a full on 410 is far wider than a dirt late. In most cases they're somewhat faster and reaction times need to be quicker. Thus the possibility of injury is more acute. Just a matter of physics. Jack hewitt is on record as saying it takes a better driver to successfully wheel an open wheel car as opposed to a late model or modified. He won races in 4 divisions of the open wheel cars and also in late models. Some guys are cut out for it and some aren't. If ya' wanna' dispute that take it up with jack!! Lol!!5 people a year on average? What proof do you have that that is the case or are you merely speculating again.show me where i've complained about anything but indy and kemper. I've only made the point that given the track record of the indoor racing we've attended, when given a choice of a near sure thing as opposed to previously untried venues inside sports complex domes in highly populated urban areas we'll opt for the near sure thing on saturday night. The only way they were able to keep racing at kemper throughout the evening is when they opened all the doors. Problem was temperatures were in the teens and the wind was blowing. They might as well have been racing outside. I know, i was there. It is looking increasingly like the unacceptable co situation will be 3 for 3 unless they can find a solution over night. Let's hope they do, i'm going to be there tonight! Lol!and midget brain it was race of the year