When are 2017 lucas rules going to come out?

[mod10p]

Just wondering when they are going to come out, it's getting pretty late.

[Drop Shock]

3 weeks until the first race and the rules aren't even finalized, what a joke.
The one rule that really makes me scratch my head is the wheel cover rule. Keyser is selling the rivet on nuts for $5 and the bolts themselves for $7. Lets just say most guys have 50 plus wheels. 3 per wheel 5 x 150 = 750 and 7 x 150 = 1,050. That's $1800 for wheel covers!!!!

[MI Dirt Fan]

3 weeks until the first race and the rules aren't even finalized, what a joke.
The one rule that really makes me scratch my head is the wheel cover rule. Keyser is selling the rivet on nuts for $5 and the bolts themselves for $7. Lets just say most guys have 50 plus wheels, 5 x 50= 250 and 7 x 50 = 350. That's $600 and a lot of tedious work.

Or clamps to bolt weight to the axle tubes. I thought that was a no no?

[billetbirdcage]

I was told they had been contacting racers that they thought was going and explaining the rules to them and told them they would be out in writing in 3 or 4 days. That was around the 6th, so I figured by the next weekend they would be out for sure but that didn't happen. The hold up is the rear end weight rules, they keep flip flopping on what they are going to do and how it will be checked. They may have changed their minds again because what they was telling the racers on the 6th was moronic or I should say badly done.

[tsand]

I know they are getting heat for the new saftey rules. Souther Allstars and carolina clash was contacted about adopting the new rules and we're told they wound't adopt them. Regional series can't afford to turn away cars because of the new rules

[tiger]

3 weeks until the first race and the rules aren't even finalized, what a joke.
The one rule that really makes me scratch my head is the wheel cover rule. Keyser is selling the rivet on nuts for $5 and the bolts themselves for $7. Lets just say most guys have 50 plus wheels. 3 per wheel 5 x 150 = 750 and 7 x 150 = 1,050. That's $1800 for wheel covers!!!!

Even if you have 50 wheels you're not going to have 50 wheel covers. Maybe 8...

[formercrewguy]

I looked at most of the cars at the Wild West Shootout.....most had the screw on covers already. I know we did.

[racerb12]

All top teams have 4 wheel cover on must of the time

[Drop Shock]

Even if you have 50 wheels you're not going to have 50 wheel covers. Maybe 8...

I realize that, but you still all gonna have to get all the pop in nuts. You're gonna have to get new wheelcovers and bolts throughout the year. It's just pointless and something that was not given much thought. Also i heard weld was pissed because they make the same wheel rings for late models and sprint cars and now each cars require different wheel covers

[Krooser]

50 wheels?

[Josh Bayko]

50 wheels?

Nobody carries that many wheels, and even in the off chance that somebody might have 50 wheels laying around, they're not going to have anywhere near all of them covered. Folks here really tend to not know how things work.

[flagone]

It is not pointless at all.

There were more than 40 claims filed in 2016 related to wheel covers striking spectators / officials / crews. Any one of those could have been very serious and even life threatening. Dzus fasteners become worn easily and are not an efficient means to hold something in place with that amount of centrifugal forces and flexion happening. So it was either outlaw them altogether or find a more secure means of fastening.

And WoO Sprints required the bolt on cover in 2016. The same cover/bead ring would be acceptable in the LM rules as well.

tsand as far as regional series not turning cars away - that may be the case THIS YEAR - but lets see how that goes for 2018.

[cjsracing]

Drop shock I am just using standard body bolts and clips for my wheel covers, way cheaper than what Keyser is selling.

Like this https://www.amazon.com/Body-Bolt-Kit-Clips-10pk/dp/B00D9560JS but only the 5/16" version


And I don't want to get in a pissing match flagone, but 40 reported instances out of how many thousands of races last year seems like an immaterial amount.

[RayCook53fan]

It is not pointless at all.

There were more than 40 claims filed in 2016 related to wheel covers striking spectators / officials / crews. Any one of those could have been very serious and even life threatening. Dzus fasteners become worn easily and are not an efficient means to hold something in place with that amount of centrifugal forces and flexion happening. So it was either outlaw them altogether or find a more secure means of fastening.

And WoO Sprints required the bolt on cover in 2016. The same cover/bead ring would be acceptable in the LM rules as well.

tsand as far as regional series not turning cars away - that may be the case THIS YEAR - but lets see how that goes for 2018.



I love it when Kelley comes in to a thread and makes all the keyboard "experts" look stupid.

[flagone]

cjsracing I don't want to do that either. But I am going to have to put it in different terms.

In 2016 more than 40 people were hit by a projectile with sharp edges and had serious enough an injury that they filed an insurance claim (which means they went to seek medical treatment). If that is inconsequential I guess I must just be crazy. The spectators are generally protected by some type of barrier. Either a fence or a wall or both. To say that there were enough instances of these things coming off happening that more than 40 times it was able to bypass / get through these protective barriers to me (and to insurance companies that allow race tracks to be open) is alarming. Not to mention the numbers of unnecessary debris yellows created when these things come off on the race track.

So what I will say in rebuttal to your comment is compared to the money you already spend to race, the amount it will cost you to be compliant with a safer wheel cover fastener will be inconsequential. In fact it may even save you some money in the long run by not having to replace all the ones you lose when they come off on the track.

[cjsracing]

flagone, thanks. That was a fair and thought out response.

[Stede Bonnet]

So over all of this...(good-bye)
Time to go "Wingless" sprint racing I do believe. Better racing, 1/10th the headaches and expense.
Drop in a racesaver 305 or LS 5.3, set to blocks, top off with alky and away we go. Y'all have fun.

[acetone]

I know they are getting heat for the new saftey rules. Souther Allstars and carolina clash was contacted about adopting the new rules and we're told they wound't adopt them. Regional series can't afford to turn away cars because of the new rules

ray cooks racing series requires the hanns device, on board fire system. and a few other things. we are super low budget and just happy to make the field. if we can be in compliance with the safety rules, I'm sure these other drivers and teams can. 300,000 dollar car hauler, but they buy a ten dollar helmet.

[MI Dirt Fan]

And I don't want to get in a pissing match flagone, but 40 reported instances out of how many thousands of races last year seems like an immaterial amount.

Is this number officially posted somewhere?

[davis2902]

Why not just eliminate the metal wheel cover period? Make teams use plastic or a nylon cover.

[slmcrewchief99]

All it takes is ONE person getting hurt and immaterial goes out the window. It should be all of our responsibility when we go through that pit gate to take every precaution we can to keep EVERYONE safe. We have about 40 wheels we have to change over. So what if it costs a few hundred bucks. If it keeps us from possibly taking a life, then that little amount of money means very little. FWIW. I hate the dam duetz's on the wheels anyway. Some wheels the covers are to tight and some are too loose. At least now I feel like I can get them tight on a consistent basis.

[MBR Performance]

This responsibility needs to fall onto the tracks to provide proper fencing to protect the spectators.

[JKing]

This responsibility needs to fall onto the tracks to provide proper fencing to protect the spectators.

I've watched a wheel cover come off a car and clear a 70' tall light pole. Exactly what fencing are you suggesting to protect against that?

[MI Dirt Fan]

I've watched a wheel cover come off a car and clear a 70' tall light pole. Exactly what fencing are you suggesting to protect against that?

Saw a broken break rotor do that as well. Most tracks do or should have a sign at each entrance warning them the possibility of flying debris.

[Drop Shock]

Nobody carries that many wheels, and even in the off chance that somebody might have 50 wheels laying around, they're not going to have anywhere near all of them covered. Folks here really tend to not know how things work.

The initial bulletin said they had to be 5/16 bolts, so was it changed to 1/4 inch bolts? I just don't think the bolt deal is smart because they stick out further and are more likely to be sheerd off due to conatact, you also can get one cross threaded easily and still cause the cover to come off. Also a lot of guys run plastic covers so they're more likely to pull through. I think these rules came from a good place but were definitely not written with the local and regional racers in mind, and are lacking some common sense

[chupp n bloomer fan]

Saw a broken break rotor do that as well. Most tracks do or should have a sign at each entrance warning them the possibility of flying debris.Correct. And if you can take a simple step to eliminate the hazard, do it. Them deus wheel covers blow d!ck, and usually you got two in correctly and one probably not.

I mean, wadda you think will happen when that thing clears a fence, metal or plastic, and hits you in your head. The chances of you dying are better than you living.

[chupp n bloomer fan]

I've watched a wheel cover come off a car and clear a 70' tall light pole. Exactly what fencing are you suggesting to protect against that?Exactly Josh.

[chupp n bloomer fan]

It is not pointless at all.

There were more than 40 claims filed in 2016 related to wheel covers striking spectators / officials / crews. Any one of those could have been very serious and even life threatening. Dzus fasteners become worn easily and are not an efficient means to hold something in place with that amount of centrifugal forces and flexion happening. So it was either outlaw them altogether or find a more secure means of fastening.

And WoO Sprints required the bolt on cover in 2016. The same cover/bead ring would be acceptable in the LM rules as well.

tsand as far as regional series not turning cars away - that may be the case THIS YEAR - but lets see how that goes for 2018.


cjsracing I don't want to do that either. But I am going to have to put it in different terms.

In 2016 more than 40 people were hit by a projectile with sharp edges and had serious enough an injury that they filed an insurance claim (which means they went to seek medical treatment). If that is inconsequential I guess I must just be crazy. The spectators are generally protected by some type of barrier. Either a fence or a wall or both. To say that there were enough instances of these things coming off happening that more than 40 times it was able to bypass / get through these protective barriers to me (and to insurance companies that allow race tracks to be open) is alarming. Not to mention the numbers of unnecessary debris yellows created when these things come off on the race track.

So what I will say in rebuttal to your comment is compared to the money you already spend to race, the amount it will cost you to be compliant with a safer wheel cover fastener will be inconsequential. In fact it may even save you some money in the long run by not having to replace all the ones you lose when they come off on the track.Well said Kelley.