DTWC Payout Does it need to be 100k to 20k for 2nd?

[dirty-white-boy]

Does there really need to be an 80k different between 1st and 2nd? Is it really going to draw more cars? Is the racing really going to be any better? Spread that payout back thru the field for running a hard 100 laps of racing! 100k to win and 2k to start is a joke!


37th Annual Rhino Ag Dirt Track World Championship - Presented by Optima Batteries Event Purse: 1. $100,000, 2. $20,000 3. $10,000, 4. $7,000 5. $5,000, 6. $3,500, 7. $3,200, 8. $3,000, 9. $2,800, 10. $2,500, 11. $2,450, 12. $2,400, 13. $2,350, 14. $2,300, 15. $2,250, 16. $2,200, 17. $2,150, 18. $2,100, 19. $2,075, 20. $2,060, 21. $2,050, 22. $2,040, 23. $2,030, 24. $2,020, 25. $2,010, 26. $2,000

[71PRPFan]

A 1000$ difference between 8th and last.... there's the problem

[Josh Bayko]

All they did with the purse is double the win money. Nothing else changed, and the DTWC has always been Dolly Parton dollars.

[dirty-white-boy]

but why??? Makes zero sense!

[Josh Bayko]

but why??? Makes zero sense!

Because lots of cars and fans will show up, and Carl Short will make lots of money. Racing is a business, not a charity.

[dirty-white-boy]

Because lots of cars and fans will show up, and Carl Short will make lots of money. Racing is a business, not a charity.

it is a business. So by doubling the amount to win we should have 140 (79 last year) cars and 5000 more customers at the front gate by your theory then, correct?

[TackyTracker]

it was still a huge event when paying $50k.. I do think more should be spread out but 100k to win to close out season is a big win..

[zyoung25]

100k to win looks good to a casual fan, its like "oh yea 100k to win, I bet theyll get ton cars for that." But in reality, 50k to win and 30k for 2nd and a better pay from 2nd on back would bring the cars. Just as Josh said, it brings in more people thinking there will be more cars. Which was the case last year.

To me, I think it's pathetic for a race with this much prestige, but yet pays so poorly.

Before anyone gets bent out of shape, I already knew the dream basically had the same payout. That has all been changed.

[RW57]

Same problem everywhere just not big shows at the local tracks it's the same deal winner gets 1500 for late model 2nd gets 700 and you can guess how bad from there on back 700 will barely buy 4 tires. These promoter s need to wake up and take care of the guys that run 8th 9th etc without them you have no show. Up untill 3 years ago they were still racing for same purse as when I quit in 1985 in a 7500$ car not a 100 grand car like now you do the math who's making  it sure ain't racers I want to add this was in a car I built myself engine and all.

[Clayton_Wetter]

There are not very many drivers that are going to get a big piece of the pie, so putting the money back into the rest of the field instead of first will get you no more cars.

[RW57]

But if the guys back in the field out coming you have no field I think more cars would show if there was a chance of at least covering some of the expense Big $$$$$ are always gonna win no matter what.

[Bubstr]

I think, it's more about not loosing any more cars, from going belly up from fuel and tire bills.

[Josh Bayko]

There are not very many drivers that are going to get a big piece of the pie, so putting the money back into the rest of the field instead of first will get you no more cars.

Plus it’s very late in the season. There are lots of guys that have already shut it down for the year.

[Josh Bayko]

it is a business. So by doubling the amount to win we should have 140 (79 last year) cars and 5000 more customers at the front gate by your theory then, correct?

I’m not saying that at all, I was just saying that’s why the purse is the way it is, and has been for years.

[TUTY]

I don't like it either. Take that $50,000 and put it somewhere else. How about $30,000 for second and $20,000 for third and add $20,000 to the rest of the field.

[NWPA]

You lease somewhere and run your own race and pay what you want if it bothers you that much.

[TUTY]

You'll see with car counts going down.

[RW57]

NWPA apparently you have never owned a race car and have no idea of the expense of running one.Instead of being a smart ass try to help figure out an answer to the problem because if it ain't figured out soon late model racing as we know it is done.

[Tireguy17]

He could have taken that $50k he put on winning and paid every position $2k more. $52k to win and $4k to start looks ALOT better to the racers than this payoff!

[Phatdaddy]

These are all great ideas. Kinda wish DLM racing had a national weakly podcast where we could get Carl's/Tony's/or the drivers insight on issues like these.

[over4T]

The Million show at Eldora paid $50,000 for second...talk about a drop off. We racers b!tch about the top heavy purses but we still show up even when we don't stand much chance of breaking even so maybe it's our own faults.

[TUTY]

It just makes me wonder how many cars show up if the purse was $30,000 To Win, 20,000,15,000,12,500,10,000,9000,8000,7000,6500,60 00,5500,5000,4750,4500,4250,4000,3900,
3800,3700,3600, $3500 To Start?

[Josh Bayko]

It just makes me wonder how many cars show up if the purse was $30,000 To Win, 20,000,15,000,12,500,10,000,9000,8000,7000,6500,60 00,5500,5000,4750,4500,4250,4000,3900,
3800,3700,3600, $3500 To Start?


Roughly the same amount of cars would show.

[waaac77]

You people on here amaze me. We been posting about spreading payouts more evenly for years and everyone says if we don't racing is going to be gone. Ok. So you think posting messages on a forum is going to help initiate the change we need? That's the same crap we hear in politics everyday. If you have a problem with payouts or anything and you post your answer to these problems then why don't you try to contact the right people and take action? I highly doubt they're circling the message boards to see what the idiots think. Social media is losing its credibility with fake news. No one cares what's said on here and it certainly ain't gonna envoke change.
I like the top heavy payouts because I want to see a battle for the win. What I don't want to see if drivers turning laps just to finish and collect a participation check. These racing teams know they're going to spend a ton of money each year and it's up to them to make it work.
I'm sure there's ways to get more for the little guy but I don't see changing the payouts as a resolution. You gotta work on the cost to get out there first so the little guy can compete. Cost to run and maintain a DLM is a lot. I'd say that would be step 1 to improving the sport but no one seems to want to do that.

[zyoung25]

The Million show at Eldora paid $50,000 for second...talk about a drop off. We racers b!tch about the top heavy purses but we still show up even when we don't stand much chance of breaking even so maybe it's our own faults.

The million was earls dream, and it was going to be a one shot deal. Do we really think earl made a cool mill that weekend? I bet if he had sold one more hot dog, he would've broke even.

[TUTY]

It's all just conversation and opinion.

[Illtsate32]

I think it would be cool to make it 75,000 take the other 25k and spread it back through the field..but make it pay 5 k to make the race...Someone could possibly win the biggest purse of their career just by making the show and I think that could draw more cars...

[TS FAN]

The million was earls dream, and it was going to be a one shot deal. Do we really think earl made a cool mill that weekend? I bet if he had sold one more hot dog, he would've broke even.

Strawberry King helped finance that event. Not to take anything away from Earl. I remember being worried about late race restarts but it never came to pass. Donnie won and bought the car he won in and put it in his backyard according to his wife.

[hucktyson]

The guys who have a shot of running top 10 will all be there. Paying more doesn't get cars. It's been proven 10,000 times. The current body and car rules allow the pros to put 900hp to the ground. That is the problem not if the race pays 2k or 4K to start. How does getting more cars there who won't make the show anyway improve the situation for YOU ?? I don't get it , PRP is the best party and the best cars in the county will be there .. yet you find a reason to complain...

[Clayton_Wetter]

I think it would be cool to make it 75,000 take the other 25k and spread it back through the field..but make it pay 5 k to make the race...Someone could possibly win the biggest purse of their career just by making the show and I think that could draw more cars...

It would take a lot more than $25K to pay $5K to start.

[Duke100]

The million was earls dream, and it was going to be a one shot deal. Do we really think earl made a cool mill that weekend? I bet if he had sold one more hot dog, he would've broke even.He might have. If I remember right it was about $80 or $100 for a 2 day pit pass. Top heavy purses look better on the poster advertisements, and it gets the top drivers to your race. That's who the fans want to see.

[dirty-white-boy]

These are all great ideas. Kinda wish DLM racing had a national weakly podcast where we could get Carl's/Tony's/or the drivers insight on issues like these.

We kind of do now with Late Model Live but they dont want to tackle the hard questions or hurt anyone's feelings .....

[Bob Hubbard]

I sure wish I could watch this race on live on DoD .... I would hope someday the people in charge of this hot dog stand would get there act together ....

[grumfan]

I sure wish I could watch this race on live on DoD .... I would hope someday the people in charge of this hot dog stand would get there act together ....

My guess is that Carl has looked at his revenue options both with and without streaming. Apparently he feels he's better off staying old school and not streaming. The Hillbilly wasn't streamed either.

[Bob Hubbard]

That sucks for me .... I just cant drive 2 hours each way & still work ... Move the race to a different track .... The sport should grow with the technology we have today ....

[jog49]

A lot of you seem overly concerned about NOT winning! Why not make it winner take all?