new 602 class opening up

[dirty white boy]

New Division for 311 Speedway
2018 Rules
Pro602 Late Models
Chassis
1-Must follow Fastrak Rules
2-Chassis built prior to 2014
Body
1-Must follow Fastrak Rules
2-8" Spoiler max
3-No 12" side braces
4-No Mirrors
5-All cars must start with body parts in place
Suspension
1-No super light hubs
2-No oil fill hubs
3-No Bump Stops
Rear End
1-No low-drag rear ends
2-No gun drilled axles
3-No light weight hubs
Transmission
1-Bert or Brinn permitted
2-No low-drag
3-No lightweight
Driveline
1-Steel, Aluminum, Carbon Fiber permitted
Shocks
1-Any oil or sealed gas shock
2-No Adjustable Gas Pressure
3-Spilt Valve Shock permitted
4-Steel or Aluminum
5-No Canister remote or externally adjustable permitted
6-One working shock per wheel, except left front rear shock ok.
Shock Claim Rule
1-$150.00 per shock, does not include hardware
Carburetor
1-Holley 650 CFM
2-1" spacer plate max
3-2 gasket max, (thin)
4-$500.00 Claim Rule
Engine
1-602 GM, must meet all factory specs.
2-Engine must be factory sealed or sealed by a certified builder
3-All accessories must be front mounted, (power steering pump and fuel pump)
4-$3,500.00 Claim Rule on Engine, doesn't include accessories
Headers
1-No Tri-Ys
2-No stainless
3-Must use a economy header
4-No Beyea HEADERS allowed
5-$300.00 Claim Rule
Fuel
1-Pump Gas Only
2-No oxygenated fuels or oxygen producing additives added to fuel
Tires
1-FT-200/400
Weight
1-2,400 lbs after race
2-25 lbs for a full containment seat
3-25 lbs for a head or neck restraint
4-Using both weights breaks you must weigh 2,350 lbs after race
CLAIM RULES
Engine $3,500.00
Carburetor $500.00
Headers $300.00
Shock $150.00 per shock
Anytime a racer wins more than 3 races in a row, that racer has a choice of missing a week or moving up.
Look over these Rules, these Rules are intended to cut cost, 311 Speedway makes them along with Dr TJ Hicks, Michael Tesh and Fastrak. Thank you for racing 311 Speedway.



thoughts on these rules and any thing else that comes to mind???

[billetbirdcage]

New Division for 311 Speedway
2018 Rules
Pro602 Late Models
Chassis
1-Must follow Fastrak Rules
2-Chassis built prior to 2014
Body
1-Must follow Fastrak Rules
2-8" Spoiler max
3-No 12" side braces
4-No Mirrors
5-All cars must start with body parts in place
Suspension
1-No super light hubs
2-No oil fill hubs
3-No Bump Stops
Rear End
1-No low-drag rear ends
2-No gun drilled axles
3-No light weight hubs
Transmission
1-Bert or Brinn permitted
2-No low-drag
3-No lightweight
Driveline
1-Steel, Aluminum, Carbon Fiber permitted
Shocks
1-Any oil or sealed gas shock
2-No Adjustable Gas Pressure
3-Spilt Valve Shock permitted
4-Steel or Aluminum
5-No Canister remote or externally adjustable permitted
6-One working shock per wheel, except left front rear shock ok.
Shock Claim Rule
1-$150.00 per shock, does not include hardware
Carburetor
1-Holley 650 CFM
2-1" spacer plate max
3-2 gasket max, (thin)
4-$500.00 Claim Rule
Engine
1-602 GM, must meet all factory specs.
2-Engine must be factory sealed or sealed by a certified builder
3-All accessories must be front mounted, (power steering pump and fuel pump)
4-$3,500.00 Claim Rule on Engine, doesn't include accessories
Headers
1-No Tri-Ys
2-No stainless
3-Must use a economy header
4-No Beyea HEADERS allowed
5-$300.00 Claim Rule
Fuel
1-Pump Gas Only
2-No oxygenated fuels or oxygen producing additives added to fuel
Tires
1-FT-200/400
Weight
1-2,400 lbs after race
2-25 lbs for a full containment seat
3-25 lbs for a head or neck restraint
4-Using both weights breaks you must weigh 2,350 lbs after race
CLAIM RULES
Engine $3,500.00
Carburetor $500.00
Headers $300.00
Shock $150.00 per shock
Anytime a racer wins more than 3 races in a row, that racer has a choice of missing a week or moving up.
Look over these Rules, these Rules are intended to cut cost, 311 Speedway makes them along with Dr TJ Hicks, Michael Tesh and Fastrak. Thank you for racing 311 Speedway.



thoughts on these rules and any thing else that comes to mind???

No dog in this fight but some suggestions:

1. Not sure how your going to enforce or determine the year of the car, what about an updated chassis to 2018 but is a 2014?

2. Define superlite hubs? remember most likely participants are going to be buying used cars so whatever is semi standard on a super now should be allowed so they don't have to buy more stuff

3. Define low drag rear ends? 8" ring gear stuff or just something with low drag seals also. refer to later part of #2

4. Many used cars are going to have gun drilled axles, how about no exotic material here instead

5. Define light or low drag trans? Maybe only gen 1 berts, brinns, and etc.

6. Shocks - clear up sealed or oil shock, sounds like you can use a take apart oil shock but if gas needs to be sealed

Just some things off the top of my head

[billetbirdcage]

Forgot the biggie to me! Nothing was listed as a tire rule?

Put the cars on a hard tire or even narrower tire, so it's not 5hp go cart racing. less then 400HP on a big softer tire doesn't make for that great of racing most of the time.

[dirty white boy]

tire rules, there pretty much a hot mess to...

Left front, right front and left rear can be Hoosier spec 1350, American racer pro2, Hoosier ft200 or crate USA 21....no grooving, regrooving or siping permitted And no steer tires........right rear must be Hoosier spec 1600, American racer pro3, Hoosier ft400 or crate USA 55....grooving and siping permitted on right rear only.....buffing is permitted on all tires but absolutely no soaking....tires are subject to be checked at anytime! This will allow any cars that want to run to be competitive, no matter which tires they have, without making them buy a certain tire

billetBC sposed be standerd plan jane bert/brinn/falcon trans non ball spline. you right on chassis year and updates sure gonna be a hot topic in tech shed! no 8 inch light weight low inertia parts,..just your basic Q/C ! shocks sposed be basic afco blues, i need a crash corse on shocks for dummys for i can discuss them cause i just really dont know...DWB

[MLR19]

As far as the shock issue, Bilstein has a sealed crate specific shock available,I believe they are in the $135 range. Going to a spec shock would eliminate a lot of tech headaches. 10 different valving s available, so if you bought all 10 you would have $1350 in shocks. You can spend more than that on 1 double adjustable shock in today's market.

Here is a link with info. http://www.stlracing.com/community/index.php?threads/the-135-bilstein-spec-shocks-now-available-to-everyone.186997/

[fastford]

looks like a good market for a 2 stage right front spring to me.........

[hipower17]

sounds good if they tech it right

[dirty white boy]

fastford,..2 stage spring what the no bumpstop rule is about i believe! MRL19 another track close by got a late mod sportsman class with every body on same un touched shock, cant remember brand but 100 dollers to buy 100 bucks to clam,..east lincoln speedway other side of mooresville, looking at that class to! hipower17 ant nothing good if tech ant right!

[fastford]

i kind of figured that DWB , but there is a lot of difference between a 2 stage and a bump stop , the only way to have a class like this is to remove all the grey areas in the rules to begin with , because most races are won inside those grey areas .......

[dirty white boy]

you right,..i like gray areas, only way under budgeted teams have a chance! rules cloudy as can be,..tech really ant happening less a protest,..tire sample dose happen biggest thing really! can ride hour and half farther but its same song n dance! limited funds will no doubt keep me at home track mostly...i like following rules but wanta keep up, see how things look come march!