unpopular racing opinion

[riddle28]

I posted this on my FB yesterday and had pretty good response, so i was interested to ask on here. Whats an unpopular racing opinion you have? Ive got many but i think there should be no weekly qualifying for any class

[Josh Bayko]

My unpopular opinion is that every short track racing class should be fuel injected.

[mcarter815]

FWD cars make for a terrible starter class.

[Bigdirtfan]

That a racing program shouldnt last longer then 3 1/2 hrs. Many seem to think its getting your moneys worth to sit until 2 in the morning

[bleedblue55]

[QUOTE=Bigdirtfan;2163475]That a racing program shouldnt last longer then 3 1/2 hrs. Many seem to think its getting your moneys worth to sit until 2 in the morning[/QUOTE
Exactly

[mcarter815]

Along with the overall length of the program, any intermission shouldn't last more than 20 minutes.

[flagone]

If your program is longer than 4 hours there shouldn't be an intermission ever.

[RiffRaf67]

I have a ton of them!! Where do I start?
I am anti-sanction and anti-provisional. I want to see the sanction regulars pack up and go home before the A.

No late model feature needs to be more than 50 laps. And no sprint car feature more than 30.

I don't care how late I stay at the track, the more classes, the better! Exactly right BDF: The longer I am there, the more bang for my buck I am getting. When I goto the track, I have "Gone Racing" and I will be home when I get home.
I can leave at any time, my car is just right out there if I get cold or bored or tired.

And DoD is a waste of money.

Winged Sprints are the best dirt race division. > Late Models.
I dont mind modifieds, sometimes they are the best show of the night.
Midgets suck. Just go-carts IMHO.
And I could go on and on....

[high groove19]

My unpopular opinion would be to have more 100 lap races. I love when you have comers and goers through out the coursr of a 100 lap race. Also I used to love the mandatory fuel stops at half way. But thats just me...

[dirt crow]

I have a ton of them!! Where do I start?
I am anti-sanction and anti-provisional. I want to see the sanction regulars pack up and go home before the A.

No late model feature needs to be more than 50 laps. And no sprint car feature more than 30.

I don't care how late I stay at the track, the more classes, the better! Exactly right BDF: The longer I am there, the more bang for my buck I am getting. When I goto the track, I have "Gone Racing" and I will be home when I get home.
I can leave at any time, my car is just right out there if I get cold or bored or tired.

And DoD is a waste of money.

Winged Sprints are the best dirt race division. > Late Models.
I dont mind modifieds, sometimes they are the best show of the night.
Midgets suck. Just go-carts IMHO.
And I could go on and on....

And that my friends, is the minoritys vote. ....Hope this guy is never the czar of racing.

[CageFaraday]

I dunno, most of my opinions are pretty popular, some not as much, but here goes:

1. That crate anything is boring, socialistic in nature and promotes lazy tech.
2. That the Rumley rule should be tossed.
3. That the new, "droop" rule is a move in the right direction.
4. A sportsman type class should never pay more than $500 to win, but last should still get $250, like Racesaver.
5. Limited Late Model should be "limited" to factory blocks and heads.
6. Newer design factory V8 engines should be legal to run.
7. That FC seats should NOT be mandatory or at the very least no mandatory sfi rating.
8. Cage heights should be raised a minimum of 2 inches.
9. Fewer classes, show goes no later than 11:00
10. Fuel injection, Coil packs and Turbos would help attract the younger generation.

[zach51]

I hate driver introductions

[Pennsboro23]

4 wide salute has gotten too popular and should only be held at a few events each year. I'm tired of going to a $3,000 to win late model special and having a 4 wide salute when the start of the feature is past 11:00.

[WisWildManFan]

Qualifying should not exist

[rc24]

They have ruined the 4 wide salute.

[nc mudcat]

1. That crate motors are the reason all super late model racing is suffering, and will eventually pass on.
2. That the Droop rule is worthless

[cmmg42]

Bring back the wedge cars
Make the so called crown jewel events unsanctioned
Rename Legit Speedway back to West Plains Motor Speedway & relocate the Show Me 100 back home

[RiffRaf67]

And that my friends, is the minoritys vote. ....Hope this guy is never the czar of racing.

Have no clue how this got DC banned?? I surely didn't complain... Multiple IDs?? IDK.
Yes, 100% truth!, you all are VERY lucky I am not Dirt Czar!
I'll keep you all here til 3am! LOL!

[One Man Gang]

What burns my @$$ like a red flame is when a guy stops or slows on the track and when they throw the caution he takes off like nothing was ever wrong. I wish tracks would start DQ'ing the ones that bring out intentional cautions.

I'm with y'all on the 4 wide salute and like Zach said on driver introductions. You just did introductions and told about them why have 4 wide salute you most likely cheered or booed them during the intro so what different are you doing during salute ?

Nothing worse that a lower support class taking a hour to run 10 laps because 15 mf'ers trying to see who can spin out the most

And finally the announcers who instead of just saying a prayer before the race decides to go into a rant about some political fiasco or want to down the government for 10 minutes and then preach a old fashion brush arbor Sunday morning sermon that makes me feel like I need baptized or hands laid on after he's done just hoping something don't come over me and fall off back of the bleachers hollering some foreign language flouncing around like fish out of water. The he(( with that everybody in the stands don't always agree with your thoughts or opinions or think the way you believe just say a few kind words and get the race started.

[153J]

And finally the announcers who instead of just saying a prayer before the race decides to go into a rant about some political fiasco or want to down the government for 10 minutes and then preach a old fashion brush arbor Sunday morning sermon that makes me feel like I need baptized or hands laid on after he's done just hoping something don't come over me and fall off back of the bleachers hollering some foreign language flouncing around like fish out of water. The he(( with that everybody in the stands don't always agree with your thoughts or opinions or think the way you believe just say a few kind words and get the race started.

made me laugh , agree tho

[Highside Hustler25]

Have no clue how this got DC banned?? I surely didn't complain... Multiple IDs?? IDK.
Yes, 100% truth!, you all are VERY lucky I am not Dirt Czar!
I'll keep you all here til 3am! LOL!

Undeserving of a ban for sure. Bring back the Crow !!!

My biggest peeve...Intentionally stopping on the track to bring out a caution. When will they ever change this rule?????

[Barbecueboy]

That tires are checked for anything other than being black and round........for any class.....ever.

[flagone]

I get where you are coming from with the 4 wide. A $3000 to win race for you might be old hat. But on the other hand there are many fans that have never seen it or that don't travel and may only see a touring series once a year. And for them it is special. It is neat. I know those fans still exist because I hear them talk about it all the time. And I know this because I was that fan as a kid. I saw traveling series come to my home track once or twice a year at best. So when they came they were rock stars for me. And whatever they did was cool. So try to see that through those eyes. And if you don't particularly like it then take the minute it takes to do it and look on your phone at this board.

I think we as fans have forgotten what it is to be a fan. If you come to my show and all you have to complain about is that we did a 4 wide salute then I am going to call that a successful night. Especially if I have provided you a well run show that isn't drug out and is entertaining.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

1) Sprint cars should have starters and be capable of getting themselves rolling.

2) Regular Saturday night shows should be pill draw/passing points in every class.

3) Late models should look like and have rule books like 2000 with spoilers removed and perhaps 10" wide tires.

4) All Hoosier bankrolled, Hoosier-only spec tire rules should be gone.

[Clayton_Wetter]

End the four wide bit.
Bring back more 100 lappers.
Cut and water the tracks better (Sitting in a dust filled grounds and getting covered with dirt at the top of a covered grandstands is unacceptable).
End the Crate Class totally and return these racing teams back to the late models, super streets, or Modifieds.
Don't run too many classes, that way you don't have to start racing in the afternoon to get done by midnight.
End front wheel drive classes totally.
Pay the Late Model class at least $1500 to win if not more.
Charge a dollar or two more to the general admission and add every penny it to the purses of all classes.

Oh and if you are a track interviewing the winner of the feature in every class and taking up over a half hour of time doing this, how about stopping it? No interviews after races except in specials events.

Oh and one more thing PLEEEEEZZZZZ!!!! Just play a good recording of the National Anthem and leave it at that!!! SO tired of having to endure someone singing it!!!! hahahahaaa

[Snake X3]

I hate driver introductions

I don't know how popular they are. I thought I was the only one that liked them. LOL

My most unpopular opinion is I hate redraws.

[dirtcrazy4u]

Let's start a hr after the posted start time. We, the paying fan don't mind waiting between races until your so called officials get the next race lined up. I love using your restrooms and enjoying the fresh smell of troffs with stagnant p in them. Your snack bar food is so good. Yea right, remember that line to the restroom ? It's for the only toilet not stuffed with napkins because you only buy the best TP.

[zach51]

Bloomer and Pierce should have the option to start every 100 lap race from the tail to win, double or nothin'

[Clayton_Wetter]

Have no clue how this got DC banned?? I surely didn't complain... Multiple IDs?? IDK.
Yes, 100% truth!, you all are VERY lucky I am not Dirt Czar!
I'll keep you all here til 3am! LOL!


Good question. What did dirt crow do???

[Clayton_Wetter]

Let's start a hr after the posted start time. We, the paying fan don't mind waiting between races until your so called officials get the next race lined up. I love using your restrooms and enjoying the fresh smell of troffs with stagnant p in them. Your snack bar food is so good. Yea right, remember that line to the restroom ? It's for the only toilet not stuffed with napkins because you only buy the best TP.

Sounds like you have issues!!!!! hahahhhahaaaa

[golddirt]

One word, PROVISIONALS. race your way in or go home I don't care who you are.

[KAOS]

Blowing (not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word) up before a race is way overdone.

[chupp n bloomer fan]

Undeserving of a ban for sure. Bring back the Crow !!!

My biggest peeve...Intentionally stopping on the track to bring out a caution. When will they ever change this rule?????He very possibly could have been warned about swearing, and swore in another thread. Be my only guess.

[westlingracing]

I agree on the no time trials for weekly shows.
I'd also add only one or two provisional at specials. I raced at Lucas Oil Speedway for an alphabet soup race like 10 years ago that had 9 provisionals! Those 9 were not added but actually eliminated cars that had finished 2nd in the heat races. Haven't raced a show like that since, and never will again!

[rickybrown1952]

Absolutely not ever have passing points but rather have Qualifing for big events like ump summer natlonals,woo or Lucas oil series 4 heats or more have heat winners 4,5 or six heats the winner of each heat runs a dash for cash $300 goes to winner that sets your 1st and 2nd or with 6 heats 1st 2nd and 3rd rows.

[427c.i.]

One unassisted spin in the consi and you're done.
1 lap penalty for intentionally bringing out the caution.
Feature class on the track by 9 pm on a weekday show.

[rickybrown1952]

One unassisted spin in the consi and you're done.1 lap penalty for intentionally bringing out the caution.Feature class on the track by 9 pm on a weekday show.Ok 427 c. i. I totally agree especially Lap penalty for purposely causing a caution

[Krooser]

Four cylinders are a great way to get millennials interested in racing.

All heat races should pay four spots.

Quit writing rules requiring everyone to run a Chevy.

Let the crates merge with the supers, qualify everyone like WoO does and let the slow cars run the b main.

Get the bodies back to the early 2000's.

Bring back trophy girls.

You're not in the racing business you are in the entertainment business.

[pfd60]

I agree 100% stop qualifying and most of the extreme cost of motors will go away. That will also add more supers to your weekly shows.

[a25rjr]

If you are a ppv provider, START ON THE TIME you post! If its because of track prep, your paid announcers should be able to fill in the gap!

Im tired of thinking its my computer and hit refresh 1,000 times!

[zyoung25]

20k to win on anything more than 50 laps.

Stop with 50 lap 3k to win races, i believe those races should be 25-30 laps max.

Bring back more 100 lappers.

[Mud Packer]

Three things:

1-Start the show at the published time. If you can't start on time how will you ever be finished at a decent hour?

2)Announcers-PLEASE give starting lineups during down times. How many shows have we all attended when the heat race is over and dead silence. Then as the cars come out for the next heat race, the announcer starts giving the lineup.

3)I don't need to hear the next wannabe contestant on "The Voice or American Idol" trying to impress with their version of the National Anthem. Sing it like it was written in the beginning.

[Dirtfan04]

4 wide salute has gotten too popular and should only be held at a few events each year. I'm tired of going to a $3,000 to win late model special and having a 4 wide salute when the start of the feature is past 11:00.

The four wide salute along with long drawn out driver intros have run their course for sure.

[weatherman85]

Tracks should race 3 weeks per month instead of every week.

Limited late model engines should be all steel and smaller c.c. Size.

All heat races, including late models should immediately end if three cautions come out.

Bring back late 90s early 2000s bodies.

Ban double decker trailers.

No backup cars allowed

Never more than two provisionals and they should always be reserved for the top two in time trials that didn’t make the feature regardless of series regular or not.

[bill39]

no provisionals no more than 3 classes on week night 4 on sat no crate anything headline class feature should be on track by 10:30pm.. esp touring series that bring in the occasional fan

[Hoosier]

Qualifying should not exist

YES yes yes

[Hoosier]

[QUOTE=Bigdirtfan;2163475]That a racing program shouldnt last longer then 3 1/2 hrs. Many seem to think its getting your moneys worth to sit until 2 in the morning[/QUOTE
Exactly

Nothing good happens after 11:00

[Hoosier]

Winged Sprints are the best dirt race division.

Since that secret meeting when they made the "no touching" rule, winged sprints have gone seriously down hill

[Hoosier]

End the four wide bit.
Bring back more 100 lappers.
Cut and water the tracks better (Sitting in a dust filled grounds and getting covered with dirt at the top of a covered grandstands is unacceptable).
End the Crate Class totally and return these racing teams back to the late models, super streets, or Modifieds.
Don't run too many classes, that way you don't have to start racing in the afternoon to get done by midnight.
End front wheel drive classes totally.
Pay the Late Model class at least $1500 to win if not more.
Charge a dollar or two more to the general admission and add every penny it to the purses of all classes.

Oh and if you are a track interviewing the winner of the feature in every class and taking up over a half hour of time doing this, how about stopping it? No interviews after races except in specials events.

Oh and one more thing PLEEEEEZZZZZ!!!! Just play a good recording of the National Anthem and leave it at that!!! SO tired of having to endure someone singing it!!!! hahahahaaa

Seven pretty good ideas. Others not so good.

[Hoosier]

Three things:

1-Start the show at the published time. If you can't start on time how will you ever be finished at a decent hour?

2)Announcers-PLEASE give starting lineups during down times. How many shows have we all attended when the heat race is over and dead silence. Then as the cars come out for the next heat race, the announcer starts giving the lineup.

3)I don't need to hear the next wannabe contestant on "The Voice or American Idol" trying to impress with their version of the National Anthem. Sing it like it was written in the beginning.

Three good ideas

[champion24]

For those of us who are night owls, A LOT of good things happen after 11!! I agree with the majority of these things. My biggest issue is with too many classes! Less classes lead to more timely shows! And the cars shouldn't look the same! Some racers are drawn to a class by competition, but many run from it and change classes!!

[formercrewguy]

1. Scales should be installed at all snack bar windows, and if the red light comes on, you should not be allowed to order cheese nachos or pork sammies.
2. Alcoholic beverages should be served in the pits. Drivers are encouraged to bring your own bottles of Fireball to drivers meetings.
3. The Hoosier trailer should smell like a guided tour of a Dow chemical plant.
4. All lie detector tests will be conducted by a representative of the Clinton Foundation.
5. Impact guns are banned. All teams must use a 4-way.
6. The water truck will participate in all main events. Starting position determined by pill draw.
7. All track announcers must have a blood alcohol level of .2 or higher and be of Cajun descent.
8. All slide jobs must include some wall contact, or it will be deemed illegal.
9. Programs that go past 2am must include free breakfast.
10. All cars that stop on the track then miraculously restart after the yellow has come out, must bolt on 200lbs of ballast before returning to the race.

[Chris Thomason]

I too am a crate hater. With the realization that those cars are not going anywhere I've began to hate the separation of the crate engines into classes. No reason to run a 602 and 604 class on top of a "crate" class. Throw 525's in there too. Run them all in 1 class and regulate with tires, weight, or spoiler.

I enjoy street stocks and mini mod/super pony nearly as much as slm.

I like to attend the 72 hours of Phenix City, for some stupid reason.

There should be a full bodied truck class.

More of us should appreciate the sport compact class. I'm not talking weekly fwd, skate board wannabe drivers with junk cars and the windows beat out. I'm talkin sport compact racecars like they run at the 12k$ race at screven. Never seen them in person but I believe it would be entertaining.

I also wish there was a class with 112" wheel base, unlimited cubic inch and power train. No power adders. 70 series radial tire. Would that be fun?

[CageFaraday]

1. Scales should be installed at all snack bar windows, and if the red light comes on, you should not be allowed to order cheese nachos or pork sammies.
2. Alcoholic beverages should be served in the pits. Drivers are encouraged to bring your own bottles of Fireball to drivers meetings.
3. The Hoosier trailer should smell like a guided tour of a Dow chemical plant.
4. All lie detector tests will be conducted by a representative of the Clinton Foundation.
5. Impact guns are banned. All teams must use a 4-way.
6. The water truck will participate in all main events. Starting position determined by pill draw.
7. All track announcers must have a blood alcohol level of .2 or higher and be of Cajun descent.
8. All slide jobs must include some wall contact, or it will be deemed illegal.
9. Programs that go past 2am must include free breakfast.
10. All cars that stop on the track then miraculously restart after the yellow has come out, must bolt on 200lbs of ballast before returning to the race.

I'm nominating you for promoter of the year!

[Clayton_Wetter]

1. Scales should be installed at all snack bar windows, and if the red light comes on, you should not be allowed to order cheese nachos or pork sammies.
2. Alcoholic beverages should be served in the pits. Drivers are encouraged to bring your own bottles of Fireball to drivers meetings.
3. The Hoosier trailer should smell like a guided tour of a Dow chemical plant.
4. All lie detector tests will be conducted by a representative of the Clinton Foundation.
5. Impact guns are banned. All teams must use a 4-way.
6. The water truck will participate in all main events. Starting position determined by pill draw.
7. All track announcers must have a blood alcohol level of .2 or higher and be of Cajun descent.
8. All slide jobs must include some wall contact, or it will be deemed illegal.
9. Programs that go past 2am must include free breakfast.
10. All cars that stop on the track then miraculously restart after the yellow has come out, must bolt on 200lbs of ballast before returning to the race.

Your first rule should only apply to fans that FAIL a weight limit when crossing the scales installed at the concessions exit!!!! hahahahahaaa

Kratom should also be a new concession stand item!!! :)

[turnleftandgasit]

Ban all beer and liquor sales at race tracks.

[Snake X3]

End Lucky Dogs. They are ridiculous for dirt racing.

[powerslide]

My unpopular opinion would be to have more 100 lap races. I love when you have comers and goers through out the coursr of a 100 lap race. Also I used to love the mandatory fuel stops at half way. But thats just me...

If they would allow more than one tire choice where a guy could "Gamble" you would see it in shorter races as well. I said that when they started all the 1 tire to rule them all rules.

[jlacey]

4 wide salute has gotten too popular and should only be held at a few events each year. I'm tired of going to a $3,000 to win late model special and having a 4 wide salute when the start of the feature is past 11:00.

Yes! Especially when you only have enough cars for 3 rows of 4 wide

[Clayton_Wetter]

[QUOTE=bleedblue55;2163478]

Nothing good happens after 11:00

That's what she said!!!

[Scott Boesel]

A Late model special with 5 or 6 support classes drives me crazy

[Mike]

Stop charging extra to get in when you add $50 to a support class

Stop having qualifying races where the winner gets a provisional to a future race at a totally different track.

No qualifying for a weekly show.

Get rid of the #ModernDayWedge ....get rid of the giant elephant ears fix the noses, smaller spoiler, smaller bodies

Stop letting things slide in tech

Stop the tire monopoly

Stop making classes of similar cars to "fix" a problem instead of addressing the actual problem(s)

[TerryM]

A four-wide salute takes maybe 30 seconds to do. Does that really bother people? I agree it shouldn't be done for all events, but t's not that big a deal to me.

Now driver introductions, that needs to be done away with at most events. And some tracks/announcers drag it out to a ridiculously long time. Total waste of time.

[Pennsboro23]

A four-wide salute takes maybe 30 seconds to do. Does that really bother people? I agree it shouldn't be done for all events, but t's not that big a deal to me.

Now driver introductions, that needs to be done away with at most events. And some tracks/announcers drag it out to a ridiculously long time. Total waste of time.

It's not about the time. The 4 wide salute use to be something you would only see at the biggest races, and when you saw it, it was awesome. Now, almost every race is doing it and it's not as unique as it once was.

[CageFaraday]

Stop charging extra to get in when you add $50 to a support class

Stop having qualifying races where the winner gets a provisional to a future race at a totally different track.

No qualifying for a weekly show.

Get rid of the #ModernDayWedge ....get rid of the giant elephant ears fix the noses, smaller spoiler, smaller bodies

Stop letting things slide in tech

Stop the tire monopoly

Stop making classes of similar cars to "fix" a problem instead of addressing the actual problem(s)

All great 100% good points.

[RiffRaf67]

1. Scales should be installed at all snack bar windows, and if the red light comes on, you should not be allowed to order cheese nachos or pork sammies.
2. Alcoholic beverages should be served in the pits. Drivers are encouraged to bring your own bottles of Fireball to drivers meetings.
3. The Hoosier trailer should smell like a guided tour of a Dow chemical plant.
4. All lie detector tests will be conducted by a representative of the Clinton Foundation.
5. Impact guns are banned. All teams must use a 4-way.
6. The water truck will participate in all main events. Starting position determined by pill draw.
7. All track announcers must have a blood alcohol level of .2 or higher and be of Cajun descent.
8. All slide jobs must include some wall contact, or it will be deemed illegal.
9. Programs that go past 2am must include free breakfast.
10. All cars that stop on the track then miraculously restart after the yellow has come out, must bolt on 200lbs of ballast before returning to the race.

Say hello to my assistant Dirt Czar! Bravo!

[Barbecueboy]

1. Scales should be installed at all snack bar windows, and if the red light comes on, you should not be allowed to order cheese nachos or pork sammies.
2. Alcoholic beverages should be served in the pits. Drivers are encouraged to bring your own bottles of Fireball to drivers meetings.
3. The Hoosier trailer should smell like a guided tour of a Dow chemical plant.
4. All lie detector tests will be conducted by a representative of the Clinton Foundation.
5. Impact guns are banned. All teams must use a 4-way.
6. The water truck will participate in all main events. Starting position determined by pill draw.
7. All track announcers must have a blood alcohol level of .2 or higher and be of Cajun descent.
8. All slide jobs must include some wall contact, or it will be deemed illegal.
9. Programs that go past 2am must include free breakfast.
10. All cars that stop on the track then miraculously restart after the yellow has come out, must bolt on 200lbs of ballast before returning to the race.


7,8 and 9 are epic.......I support them fully.

[Dlmfan123]

Six wide at Pittsburgh was awesome and the 4 wide at Charlotte was great

[old_wedge_nut]

7,8 and 9 are epic.......I support them fully. All seriousness aside, #9 would be a good PR move on bad nights. At least using standard concession stand food.

[TackyTracker]

run the LM feature 1st

[Krooser]

Just say no to dry slick race tracks...

Banning beer sales would mean the end to many tracks as that is a main source of income for many tracks. My beer sales equaled my back gate most nights...

[Clayton_Wetter]

Just say no to dry slick race tracks...

Banning beer sales would mean the end to many tracks as that is a main source of income for many tracks. My beer sales equaled my back gate most nights...

Promoter of the year!!!!

[i like racing]

This isn't all that relevant to late models but the IMCA claim rule was good the way it was a few years ago before they made it so you had to be at that track every night of the season in order to claim. Should have kept it at 3 nights in a row and I would be fine with making them show up the week after the claim as well

[jr29]

Just say no to dry slick race tracks...

Banning beer sales would mean the end to many tracks as that is a main source of income for many tracks. My beer sales equaled my back gate most nights...

I think tracks in my are would benefit if they sold alcohol or at least allowed it in coolers.

[Clayton_Wetter]

I don't like motor claim rules in any class. It penalizes a driver and crew whether they were legal or not.
And too many are trigger happy and take advantage of this dumb rule.