Tire "Cheating" and DQ's

[dirty-white-boy]

I seen where 2 NeSmith winners were DQ'd because their tires did not meet "benchmarks".

I just personally find it hard to believe that tire doping still goes on when they know they are going to test them. Maybe I am wrong. Seems really odd to me that these guys are so vocal to their innocence, similar to the Dream racers a couple years ago.

I also find it odd that in a sport where you can 'cheat up' bodies and such but these series spend big money to send samples to actual labs that test tires?

What made the tires not hit the benchmark? Show some transparency to everyone so we can better trust the system. What exactly was found in the tires?

Speaking of benchmarks, why do I as a fan have to pay top dollar to get into a track and then go pee in a port a john? Shouldn't those tracks be held to 'benchmarks' if the driver's tires are going to be held to 'benchmarks'? Asking for a friend!

[MI Dirt Fan]

I was looking for an article about something different last night for some info and came across one from March. Mark Whitener and Jeff Mathews were caught failed tire tests at Bubba Raceway park. It carries a 30 day suspension a fine and what else but it also said he had also previously been or is currently suspended indefinitely for the altercation incident. Guess I was confused.

[Hoosier]

It may be time to revive the 10 Worst Toilets list.

[Mindwalker]

Im thinking ole jd gonna get busted one of these days (probably this year) for them funny tars!

[dirty bert]

I know what you mean about the toilets I think some of the tracks trying to stretch that clean out dollar to get a couple extra nights before cleaning them out

[SLIDING SIDEWAYS]

Im thinking ole jd gonna get busted one of these days (probably this year) for them funny tars!


Just like the ones on your moped are too!😂🤣

[Clayton_Wetter]

Just like the ones on your moped are too!藍

Just like the ones on your Hoveround SS!!! Don't drive too close to the edge Slidie, you might "SLIDE" off!!! hahahahaa

https://aidesigngroup.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/hoveround.jpg?w=473

[SLIDING SIDEWAYS]

Just like the ones on your Hoveround SS!!! Don't drive too close to the edge Slidie, you might "SLIDE" off!!! hahahahaa

https://aidesigngroup.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/hoveround.jpg?w=473

You following me over?

[Centeroff]

No way that’s SS. Doesn’t have a dirt stained 39/49 tee shirt on. Have to get up pretty early to fool ole centeroff. His drivers cheat tires but not SS and his scooter. No way! He won the Haterade 100 and all 4 tires met benchmark spec

[a25rjr]

Just like the ones on your Hoveround SS!!! Don't drive too close to the edge Slidie, you might "SLIDE" off!!! hahahahaa

https://aidesigngroup.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/hoveround.jpg?w=473

I just realized 2 things...1) SS has a headful of white hair, and 2) even though I expected it, he has a male "partner"! :)

[SLIDING SIDEWAYS]

I just realized 2 things...1) SS has a headful of white hair, and 2) even though I expected it, he has a male "partner"! :)

You need to make an appt at lenscrafters if u are seeing 2 males there. Now u sounding like CHOAD!

[a25rjr]

You need to make an appt at lenscrafters if u are seeing 2 males there. Now u sounding like CHOAD!

Im like the Farmers ins slogan.....Ive seen a few things!

Nothing surprises me anymore!

[Swampy121]

Just like the ones on your Hoveround SS!!! Don't drive too close to the edge Slidie, you might "SLIDE" off!!! hahahahaa

https://aidesigngroup.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/hoveround.jpg?w=473

SS hanging out with Bernice and Joy now???

[a25rjr]

SS hanging out with Bernice and Joy now???

Word on the street is SS has a thing for those senior citizen pornos! :)

[Barbecueboy]

I seen where 2 NeSmith winners were DQ'd because their tires did not meet "benchmarks".

I just personally find it hard to believe that tire doping still goes on when they know they are going to test them. Maybe I am wrong. Seems really odd to me that these guys are so vocal to their innocence, similar to the Dream racers a couple years ago.

I also find it odd that in a sport where you can 'cheat up' bodies and such but these series spend big money to send samples to actual labs that test tires?

What made the tires not hit the benchmark? Show some transparency to everyone so we can better trust the system. What exactly was found in the tires?

Speaking of benchmarks, why do I as a fan have to pay top dollar to get into a track and then go pee in a port a john? Shouldn't those tracks be held to 'benchmarks' if the driver's tires are going to be held to 'benchmarks'? Asking for a friend!

I think it's exciting finding out who won the race two weeks after the checkered flag has fallen.......don't you?

I wouldn't change a darn thing on the tire rule, it's flawless and makes perfect sense for open motor cars.......did I mention it's super exciting going to the event , watching the checkered flag wave over the guy that finished first and then have a lab tell us who the real winner was a couple weeks later.

I get giddy just thinking about it.....smmfh

[a25rjr]

I think it's exciting finding out who won the race two weeks after the checkered flag has fallen.......don't you?

I wouldn't change a darn thing on the tire rule, it's flawless and makes perfect sense for open motor cars.......did I mention it's super exciting going to the event , watching the checkered flag wave over the guy that finished first and then have a lab tell us who the real winner was a couple weeks later.

I get giddy just thinking about it.....smmfh

DLM racings needs a Big Bill France to run it!

[DV8]

Quote Originally Posted by Barbecueboy View Post
I think it's exciting finding out who won the race two weeks after the checkered flag has fallen.......don't you?

I wouldn't change a darn thing on the tire rule, it's flawless and makes perfect sense for open motor cars.......did I mention it's super exciting going to the event , watching the checkered flag wave over the guy that finished first and then have a lab tell us who the real winner was a couple weeks later.

I get giddy just thinking about it.....smmfh


How do you deal with the tire cheaters then? Just let it go? That work can’t be done in a dusty parking lot like an engine tear down.

[Barbecueboy]

Make them open like the motors is one way......there are other more complicated ways to do it, open tire rule would be the easiest though.

[bradc]

Everyone dopes tires right down to the mini stocks

[Barbecueboy]

Speaking of dope,The tire rule is a lot like the old marijuana laws ......almost un enforceable with any certainty , inefficient when they try to enforce it, and people are going to do it because the benefits outweigh the penalty.

Legalize and legislate it( talking about the tire treatment)........non smoker here btw.......just being pragmatic about it.

Open it up or get rid of the tire monopoly and special deals they have with certain series and drivers.

[DV8]

Well it is being enforced, you just don’t like waiting 2 weeks to hear the results. Also, a sweeping everyone does it isn’t true. It marginalizes the subject to say so.

Peace though. I mean it hasn’t been proven that a chemical that changes rubber on a molecular level is bad for you. Breathing in untreated rubber particles probably rates pretty high as bad for you as well.

[GRT62]

I seen where 2 NeSmith winners were DQ'd because their tires did not meet "benchmarks". I just personally find it hard to believe that tire doping still goes on when they know they are going to test them. Maybe I am wrong. Seems really odd to me that these guys are so vocal to their innocence, similar to the Dream racers a couple years ago. I also find it odd that in a sport where you can 'cheat up' bodies and such but these series spend big money to send samples to actual labs that test tires? What made the tires not hit the benchmark? Show some transparency to everyone so we can better trust the system. What exactly was found in the tires? Speaking of benchmarks, why do I as a fan have to pay top dollar to get into a track and then go pee in a port a john? Shouldn't those tracks be held to 'benchmarks' if the driver's tires are going to be held to 'benchmarks'? Asking for a friend! I feel that the labs should have to release what caused the tire not to meet the benchmark I believe that would bring more clarity to these results. And on body rules NE Smith has made me cut and 1/8 inch off the top of a spoiler side to get through tech. Also show up in tech with that Right door bowed in if you want you'll be laying in the dirt making it fit a straight edge before you get through tech.

[Josh Bayko]

Open tire, do whatever you want to em like karts is probably the best way to avoid the results two weeks later deal.

But we have a better chance of seeing God in the flesh than seeing anybody go to that rule. Tire deals have been a part of the sport for a long time and they're not ever going to go away. So what we have now is going to be the way testing is gonna work until somebody can come up with an instant test than can be done while the car is getting scaled or whatever.

Come to think of it, whoever develops that instant tire test will probably end up a pretty wealthy person. It would have all sorts of uses in motorsports and beyond.

[Barbecueboy]

Correct , it is being enforced .......and then we wait for the results and to hear who really won.

Exciting , huh?

And everybody wonders why big time racing is in trouble??

To even have a tire rule sux, especially when it's the tire people that don't want it to go away the most.

[A ron]

Problem is they only check the top 2 or 3.

[mcarter815]

Correct , it is being enforced .......and then we wait for the results and to hear who really won.

Exciting , huh?

And everybody wonders why big time racing is in trouble??

To even have a tire rule sux, especially when it's the tire people that don't want it to go away the most.

I don't think that is why big time racing is in trouble.

[Barbecueboy]

I don't think that is why big time racing is in trouble.

It's not the only reason for sure.........greed and unfettered power have a lot to do with it also.

But wait there's more.....( insert Ron pepiel voice here)expenses, payout,expenses, etc.

It can all go away and I would be sad to see it go( big time dlm racing) because there are a lot of folks doing the right things and trying to better the sport.....but, I wouldn't be sad enough to quit going to a racetrack and watching 18 camaros racing it out in the pure stock division either.

I like racing in general

[Clayton_Wetter]

You following me over?

Sure!!! You go first, though. hahahahahaaa

[Clayton_Wetter]

I just realized 2 things...1) SS has a headful of white hair, and 2) even though I expected it, he has a male "partner"! :)

And he's also wearing his Prosthetic head too!!!! :):)

[mopar92]

There isn’t a good answer on the tires. Do not make it open. Go look at what the Kart racers spend on tires. How about solid lab results and be up front about the chemicals. If you get popped, you are banned for life. Do it right. Rich racers cost the average racer a lot of money trying to keep up with the cheating. It’s ridiculous.

[Barbecueboy]

What about the tire company in charge having tires that are race ready???

Run them or put it on the trailer??

Other than money, Why is that so hard?.....oh yeah, the money.

[Illtsate32]

I feel that the labs should have to release what caused the tire not to meet the benchmark I believe that would bring more clarity to these results. And on body rules NE Smith has made me cut and 1/8 inch off the top of a spoiler side to get through tech. Also show up in tech with that Right door bowed in if you want you'll be laying in the dirt making it fit a straight edge before you get through tech.

Good Job NE Smith! I absolutely hate how these guys are twisting on their bodies they look horrible...that door thing looks moronic its bad enough its only knee high behind the rf and about shoulder high at the rear quarter...straight body lines and rake limits!

[Centeroff]

You should have the option to choose any compound tire you want and cut/groove/sipe/needle if you want. It’s only going to make the racing better. At least you will have more passing due to comers and goers. When everyone is on the same tires it limits the passing because the best car usually starts up front and leads every lap. Scott making the so called illegal tire change and gave up 6th to start 26th and it backfired and cost him 6-10 spots. It’s not and advantage it’s a guess and even the best misread the track and make wrong decisions. Also the locals have a better shot because they race the conditions week in and week out. They don’t have many advantages but knowing what tires to run is one of them. Could anyone disagree that the racing would be better on an open tire rule? Seriously?

[mopar92]

Two more busted down in Georgia. As for finding out the winner 2 weeks later? The fans aren’t spending tens of thousands of dollars to race legally. Hate to say it but that’s how I feel as a racer. What’s right is right.

[Illtsate32]

Hoosier needs to put something in the rubber where it changes color if another chemical compound is mixed with it..other than that series are doing the best they can to police it, but ya they should disclose what they find in the tests

[Centeroff]

ILST no way that would work. Too expensive and too many different chemicals to test for. They will find a way around it no matter what. When my son races go karts they had a pump around and the way that worked was the sucked all the fuel out of every tank and put it in a big jug, shook it up and pumped it back into the tanks. So if one person was cheating everyone was. Somebody always had a small squeeze bottol of propolene no matter where you went

[Hoosier]

Dylan Knowles posts:
May 3 at 5:46pm
As many of you will hear or see Senoia raceway took tire samples two weeks ago. They did not meet the benchmark neither did Cory Compton’s. Both sets of tires were purchased from Clint Smith on Thursday before a practice at the track. Mine were mounted and grooved Friday night and ran Saturday. There was no chemical put on these tires unless it came off the track. I pride my self on doing stuff the right way. If I have to cheat to win I will just get out run. I hate this for my team and I but mainly for my team because of their hard work all year. We will bounce back and prove we are not cheating tires!

[Illtsate32]

my theory was like the pee in the pool theory if you uses something it would light up like luminol, hoosier prob doesnt care enough to spend $ to do that, they prob dont care at all, ya any solution seems to bring more cons than pros...

[Barbecueboy]

what a joke .........when it's all over, the bs tire fiasco will be one of the main contributing factors.

Bring on the pure stocks, and the real racing.

[Barbecueboy]

According to the 4 m experts, there is no possible way tires could pick up something from racing on the track that would cause them to test hot, or that the lab could make a mistake, or that the tire mfg. could make a mistake on the benchmark, or that the officials could be wrong,etc. .....no way.

Just stupid .....all of it.

[Josh Bayko]

what a joke .........when it's all over, the bs tire fiasco will be one of the main contributing factors.

Bring on the pure stocks, and the real racing.

Pure stocks got guys that juicing too. It’s not like the problem is just going to go away.

[Mindwalker]

The biggest problem is there are those allowed to get away with it. Are they paying off someone or is it just favoritism?

[chupp n bloomer fan]

Yeah, I’d bet on that Penn-Ohio series you got some juicers. Them are some tough hot rods. You see Sharon is going to have a $10k stock race? Bet it’d be a hell of a race.

[Josh Bayko]

Yeah, those Penn Ohio cars are no joke. There are lots of them that somehow get on the bars. I willl say they DQd a guy last year for some trick front suspension, though.

Yeah, the 10k show should be cool. I kinda feel bad for some guys that will be traveling i for it with an actual street stock, though. They’ll be severely outmatched.

[chupp n bloomer fan]

Most definitely. The stocks at Sharon long ago went beyond stock cars. Personally, Rick Prosser from back in the day, and Dillinger. Of course it’s the same down here where I live now. Hell, neither Sharon nor Atomic run them anymore weekly.

[Barbecueboy]

Thanks for proving my point......I know some of them juice.

But I've never ever ever walked away from a pure stock event, seen the winner cross the finish line only to be told 2 weeks later that he didn't actually win.

Not once, ever........

No reason in the world open motor cars should be any different.....none.

And please spare me the " it's for their own good" argument( not you personally)......racing and all the products that go into making cars go fast are inherently dangerous.

The tire crap is just stupid.

[Barbecueboy]

The biggest problem is there are those allowed to get away with it. Are they paying off someone or is it just favoritism?

I have my own opinion ,What do you think boss???

[SLIDING SIDEWAYS]

The biggest problem is there are those allowed to get away with it. Are they paying off someone or is it just favoritism?

Sounds like ur refering to jd in ur post

[Josh Bayko]

Thanks for proving my point......I know some of them juice.

But I've never ever ever walked away from a pure stock event, seen the winner cross the finish line only to be told 2 weeks later that he didn't actually win.

Not once, ever........

No reason in the world open motor cars should be any different.....none.

And please spare me the " it's for their own good" argument( not you personally)......racing and all the products that go into making cars go fast are inherently dangerous.

The tire crap is just stupid.

Oh, I don’t disagree get the whole thing is stupid at this point. Yeah, there are health risks involved with treating tires, but if we based all rules on health risks, we’d be watching guys ride BMX bikes with training wheels go in circles.

It’s clearly a tire company thing, but I get why they’re so against tire treating. They’re protecting their business. If it was my business, I’d do the same, and I’m pretty sure you would too.

As soon as somebody can develop an instant test, we’re stuck with what we’re stuck with it’s way less than ideal. If I was a chemist, I’d definitely be working on such a test. I’d be a very wealthy man once I got it right.

[Mindwalker]

I have my own opinion ,What do you think boss???

Yep... Its the way its been for ever. Cheating is only cheating if you don't kiss a..

Or, reach deeeeep in you pocket 😏

[Barbecueboy]

Well, there are really only two.....and one of them does 90 percent or more of the business.

Think you've identified the monopoly that doesn't want to get better at what they do so they just crush everyone else , push for the ban on treating the product they put out to be a better product for the racer and rest on their own antiquated and uber profitable laurels.

Why don't they just make a better tire that does what these racers want them to do??

Oh yeah, that's right.......profit at the top and the unwillingness to be more innovative.

It's stupid, and the emperor isn't wearing any clothes.

4m Fix the quote button issue please.

[Josh Bayko]

Well, there are really only two.....and one of them does 90 percent or more of the business.

Think you've identified the monopoly that doesn't want to get better at what they do so they just crush everyone else , push for the ban on treating the product they put out to be a better product for the racer and rest on their own antiquated and uber profitable laurels.

Why don't they just make a better tire that does what these racers want them to do??

Oh yeah, that's right.......profit at the top and the unwillingness to be more innovative.

It's stupid, and the emperor isn't wearing any clothes.

4m Fix the quote button issue please.

The problem with developing a tire that does what the racers want is that different avers want different things out of them. There’s already a huge pile of compounds, and increasing that pile isn’t really going to help anybody.

Tire rules are here to stay, whether we like it or not. A few sanctions let you run tires from either brand, but certain compounds within that brand. I feel that’s probably the best way to go about it. Keeps the tire inventory down for the racers.

Even if racers did have the ability to get a tire that does exactly what they want it to, there’s still going to be guys that treat their tires. It’s just the reality of things.


It’s why I keep saying the only way anybody will ever curb the “problem” is an instant test. Like a little device that you shove the sample in and it gives a go/no go reading within a couple minutes. You could do it between the scales and victory lane. That way you’ll know the winner before you leave the track. It’s kind of amazing to me such a device doesn’t already exist, considering the level of technology we have achieved in society. I mean, I’m pretty sure it would have numerous applications beyond motorsports.

[GRT62]

If the lab never catches anyone cheating why would you even need to have them lab tested? I will always doubt the lab until they start producing a list of what chemicals were in or not in the tire for it to not meet the benchmark.

[Barbecueboy]

Or go open tire rule ......allowing the tire company to dictate , mandate and propagate the tire rule is like allowing the dealers to write the drug laws.

Just sayin

[Clayton_Wetter]

Well, there are really only two.....and one of them does 90 percent or more of the business.

Think you've identified the monopoly that doesn't want to get better at what they do so they just crush everyone else , push for the ban on treating the product they put out to be a better product for the racer and rest on their own antiquated and uber profitable laurels.

Why don't they just make a better tire that does what these racers want them to do??

Oh yeah, that's right.......profit at the top and the unwillingness to be more innovative.

It's stupid, and the emperor isn't wearing any clothes.

4m Fix the quote button issue please.

Apply Sweet Baby Ray's BBQ sauce to the entire tire and plastic wrap it for one week. Store the tires in a warm damp place!!!! Wait until race day to unwrap.

https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/e74da0c7-f745-4d11-891d-1771bd3dcef6_1.daa45a6e1acfc04a15cada210a80c446.jp eg?odnHeight=450&odnWidth=450&odnBg=FFFFFF

http://genaw.com/lowcarb/food_photos/smoky_barbecue_sauce.jpg

[Barbecueboy]

Apply Sweet Baby Ray's BBQ sauce to the entire tire and plastic wrap it for one week. Store the tires in a warm damp place!!!! Wait until race day to unwrap.

https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/e74da0c7-f745-4d11-891d-1771bd3dcef6_1.daa45a6e1acfc04a15cada210a80c446.jp eg?odnHeight=450&odnWidth=450&odnBg=FFFFFF

http://genaw.com/lowcarb/food_photos/smoky_barbecue_sauce.jpg

That might be all that stuff is good for.......it sure as heck isn't needed on good BBQ or ribs cooked properly.....doesn't meet the benchmark for good que....at all.

And I don't need to wait 2 weeks to tell you who the winner would be if you used it.

[Clayton_Wetter]

The grocery store??? :) As far as that BBQ sauce goes, I've never tasted it.