Series points

[Centeroff]

What is the difference in the way that Woo scores compared to Lucas?

[Kwd1253]

World of Outlaws Craftsman Late Model Series
2018 Points
Place Points Place Points
1st 150 16th 118
2nd 146 17th 116
3rd 144 18th 114
4th 142 19th 112
5th 140 20th 110
6th 138 21st 108
7th 136 22nd 106
8th 134 23rd 104
9th 132 24th 102
10th 130 25th 100
11th 128 26th 100
12th 126 27th 100
13th 124 28th 100
14th 122 29th 100
15th 120 30th 100
A. Last Chance Showdown Qualifier Point Distribution: First car of any Last Chance Showdown Qualifier that doesn’t transfer to
the A Feature will receive 90 points. Points will drop 2 points per position for the remainder of the Last Chance Showdown
finish position to minimum of 60 points.
B. In the rare situation that the last starter in the feature event earns 90 or less points, the first car of any B-main qualifier that
does not transfer to the event will receive two less points than last place in the feature event.
C. 60 (show-up) points will be awarded to all members in good standing, who attempt to qualify a car, but fails to qualify for the
feature event.
D. If a race is cancelled and rescheduled and a member in good standing is unable to return due to extenuating circumstances,
then that member may be awarded (60) show-up points if they were present and prepared to race on the original date.
E. If a race is cancelled after racing activities have started due to inclement weather 60 ‘show up’ points will be awarded to each
driver in attendance.
F. In the event of a tie that occurs during the season, the driver that placed highest in the most recent completed event will be
listed ahead in the overall Championship Point Standings.
G. In the event that a tie should occur in the final Championship Point Standings at the end of the season, the tie will be broken
using the following tiebreakers in order; Most feature wins, most second place finishes, most third place finishes, etc.…, until
the tie is broken. In the event that the tie remains unbroken by finishes the tiebreaker will result to qualifying results from time
trial in the same manner.

[Kwd1253]

Vs lucas

Earning Points
A.) ​Every driver receives fifty (50) “participant points”, as long as they pay an entry fee and compete in (at
least) Time Trials, Heat Race, or a B-Main.
B.) Overall Fast Qualifier will receive ten (10) points for setting fast time per an event in both Groups A
and B.
C.) B-main Points will be awarded as follows to B-main non-transfers:
1st 70 14th 25
2nd 65 15th 25
3rd 60 16th 25
4th 55 17th 25
5th 50 18th 25
6th 45 19th 25
7th 40 20th 25
8th 35 21st 25
9th 30 22nd 25
10th 25 23rd 25
11th 25 24th 25
12th 25 25th 25
13th 25 26th 25
D.) To receive B-main points, driver must start B-main event.
E.) Points and/or Fast Time Provisional transfers receive only feature points.
F.) Promoter’s Option does not receive A-main points and will be awarded B-main points based on
B-main finish.
G.) A-main Points will be awarded as follows:
1st 200 14th 110
2nd 180 15th 105
3rd 170 16th 100
4th 160 17th 95
5th 155 18th 90
6th 150 19th 85
7th 145 20th 80
8th 140 21st 75
9th 135 22nd 75
10th 130 23rd 75
11th 125 24th 75
12th 120 25th 75
13th 115 26th 75
8.2 Hardship Points
A.) ​Hardship points (75 points) can be earned and continues a driver’s perfect attendance in the event of
a hardship. The hardship points are only available for those drivers with perfect attendance. The peers of
the driver who have perfect attendance by a closed vote award hardship points. The series will not vote
unless a tie breaker is needed. This will be handled by the series contacting the perfect attendance
drivers to vote on the hardship. If a driver races at an event during this hardship event the driver will forfeit
all hardship points. If a driver who receives hardship points decides to drop from the series he will forfeit
his hardship points.

[Kwd1253]

I don't really know which point break is better. Woo keeps point closers together, 1st is the only one gets little extra points. 1st gets 4 points over 2nd, the 2nd down its 2 point drop from finishing position to position.

Lucas award 1st-3rd, 1st gets 20 points over 2nd, 2nd gets 10 points over 3rd, 3rd gets 10 points over 4th. From there it a 5 point drop for finishing position to position.

Lucas gives fast time overall in qualifying 10 points.

[#FALSuperman]

I mean, when there is only a 50 point difference between first and last place, something is little flawed in the WOO system. Just my opinion, of course. In Lucas there is a 50 point difference between first and sixth place. Another example of a series that is a bit inferior trying to make their series more relevant by keeping the points race "closer" by the looks on paper. A guy only 75 points out could never take the lead from the top spot, even if they finished first and the points leader finished last. Still, by the casual fan, it does make WOO look more competitive.

[BloomerHarvickFan]

Lucas gives fast time overall in qualifying 10 points.

it's actually fast time in each group. Meaning 2 drivers get a 10 point bonus per race, unless of course they don't have 2 groups.

[Kwd1253]

it's actually fast time in each group. Meaning 2 drivers get a 10 point bonus per race, unless of course they don't have 2 groups.

Hmm didn’t know that, that seems to more fair. thanks for correcting me on that.

[BloomerHarvickFan]

Yeah. I didn't know it until last year when the points were so tight. They were discussing it at one of the TV races.
It does seem fair.

[TerryM]

I mean, when there is only a 50 point difference between first and last place, something is little flawed in the WOO system. Just my opinion, of course. In Lucas there is a 50 point difference between first and sixth place. Another example of a series that is a bit inferior trying to make their series more relevant by keeping the points race "closer" by the looks on paper. A guy only 75 points out could never take the lead from the top spot, even if they finished first and the points leader finished last. Still, by the casual fan, it does make WOO look more competitive.
I'd actually prefer something between the two. WoO scores it too tight, in my opinion, and Lucas scores it too spaced out. Each spot should mean more than it currently does in WoO, and having a bad night or two shouldn't hurt a driver as much as it does in the Lucas series.

[Planetzer0]

Ive always liked how Knoxville does their points. 100 points for the winner and then 3 points down the line.

[Centeroff]

Much easier to make up ground in WOO format it seems

[Zonks32x]

Much easier to make up ground in WOO format it seems

It's actually easier to gain ground and/or lose a points lead in Lucas.

A 10th place night in Lucas nets you 130 points, while the leader nets 200. So the guy in 10th loses 35% of points compared to the winner, or if you're the winner, you gain 35% more points on the points leader if he finishes 10th.

A 10th in WoO also nets the driver 130, but the winner receives 150. The guy in 10th only loses or gains 13.3% of points, depending on which side of the equation he's on.

In very basic math terms.....finishing 10th affects a driver's points standing 2.5 times more in Lucas than it does in WoO. This is why the Lucas title normally takes longer to clinch and there's more movement in the standings.

WoO point standings are tighter on paper, but fewer drivers are actually "in" the hunt.

Barring calamity or suspension, anyone 120+ points back in WoO is already out of title contention. In Lucas, 120 points can be made up in one weekend.

[TerryM]

It's actually easier to gain ground and/or lose a points lead in Lucas.

A 10th place night in Lucas nets you 130 points, while the leader nets 200. So the guy in 10th loses 35% of points compared to the winner, or if you're the winner, you gain 35% more points on the points leader if he finishes 10th.

A 10th in WoO also nets the driver 130, but the winner receives 150. The guy in 10th only loses or gains 13.3% of points, depending on which side of the equation he's on.

In very basic math terms.....finishing 10th affects a driver's points standing 2.5 times more in Lucas than it does in WoO. This is why the Lucas title normally takes longer to clinch and there's more movement in the standings.

WoO point standings are tighter on paper, but fewer drivers are actually "in" the hunt.

Barring calamity or suspension, anyone 120+ points back in WoO is already out of title contention. In Lucas, 120 points can be made up in one weekend.
Thank you!