Any interest in a money fantasy league?

[dch191]

I've been tossing around the idea of possibly having a separate fantasy league with a money buy in and payouts. Curious if there would be any interest on here to do it. It would be a slightly different format than the current scoring system. My idea would be pick 10-15 of the bigger races left to run this year. Each round you would pick 5-6 drivers and your best 4 finishes that round will get scored with your worst being a tie breaker if needed. However, you would only be able to pick each driver 5 times. Only the headline race would count. Meaning at the World or Dream for example, only the 100 lap finale would count for points. The prelims would not count for anything except a tie breaker if needed. $10-20 entry each round with half the purse going to that rounds winners and the other half going to the championship purse with all money transfers being done thru paypal.

Like i said, this is just an idea I've had and just trying to see how much interest there would be. Let me know what you think and any suggestions you might have that might make it better than my proposal.

[SLIDING SIDEWAYS]

I got $ to lose! Lol

[Chris Thomason]

I'd participate too. Not a fan of limiting how many times a certain guy is picked though.

[dch191]

I'd participate too. Not a fan of limiting how many times a certain guy is picked though.

I’m open to doing it without a limit. The only reason I suggested a limit is to prevent the same guys getting picked every time. Not saying that would definitely happen, but putting a limit would prevent that and add another element of strategy.

[dch191]

Also what races would you all like to see in this mini series? Wouldn’t want any more than 15 races tops

[Chris Thomason]

Yes sir it would definitely bring a different thought process and new element to the picks. I appreciate the work you do on the normal pick threads even though I didn't get in this time. I'll participate in your money picks either way.

As for which races you might include ones that pay more than $20k. Dream, N/s, firecracker, dirt million, world 100, USA nats, silver dollar nats, topless, etc

[Centeroff]

I’m in either way but I will make a suggestion. Put a price on each driver based on the particular track and have a salary cap like draft kings. Actually maybe not, that seems like it would be extra time consuming

[Illtsate32]

I want the picks limit it brings strategy into it instead of your typical chalk betters betting Bloomer and Sheppard week after week... We can start with the Show Me...

[dch191]

The races that I had in mind were the show me, dream, world, USA nationals, topless, silver dollar, firecracker, north/south, pdc, dirt million, possibly Knoxville and possibly a couple more of the $20k+ shows.

Putting a price on each driver and a salary cap sounds good in theory but I’m not nearly knowledgeable enough to come up with a system that would make that work.

[HoosierDirtFan]

MAYBE PRICE DRIVERS LIKE THIS IN A TIER SYSTEM

EXAMPLE
FAIRBURY PDC - Maybe PIC 6 / 9 GUYS EACH WEEK AT THE $20K + TO WIN SHOWS

TOP TIER (NATIONALY REGINIZED NAME) AT SAID SHOW - $5
Scott Bloomquist, Chris Madden, Jimmy Mars

MID TIER (REGIONAL DRIVER) AT SAID SHOW - $3
Jason Feger, Ryan Unzicker, Tim Manville

LOCAL TIER (LOCAL DRIVER - MAYBE ONLY RACES A FEW TRACK) AT SAID SHOW - $1
Mike Spatola, Kevin Weaver, Steve Thorsten

[Centeroff]

I’m guessing PayPal is how we square up?

[Centeroff]

I agree with Hoosier. Your going to have to have more groups or there will be several ties. Maybe tiebreaker is how many laps winner leads during race. You will have to keep all picks hidden, a deadline 2-3 hours before race begins and then release all picks before the race starts.

[a25rjr]

QUOTE: I’m guessing PayPal is how we square up?

Should work for most of us....SS would want his loaded on his ebt card! :)

[Illtsate32]

Im not sure how you would do tie breakers for a single round winner..on average how many guys tie in the league we got now, im assuming quite a few...and if you put a picks limit you wouldnt need tiers or groups, choose anybody and everybody who ur heart desires, but choose wisely cause when there gone there gone...

[Dlmfan123]

There’s a group on Facebook that does it. Major league dirt racing. They do the whole lucas series and other “crown jewls” (20k+ races)

[dch191]

If someone else wanted to come up with a tier system and send it to me a week before each event, I would be ok with that but that would likely take more time than I would have for it.

One possible solution to a tie breaker would be your best 4 drivers count and you pick 4-6 drivers each round and rank them in the order you want them to be used as a tie breaker. The odds of multiple people picking the same drivers and putting them in the same order I would think are extremely unlikely.

[TackyTracker]

the vote to go sports betting has got some people talking IC...

I'd be in

[SLIDING SIDEWAYS]

If someone else wanted to come up with a tier system and send it to me a week before each event, I would be ok with that but that would likely take more time than I would have for it.

One possible solution to a tie breaker would be your best 4 drivers count and you pick 4-6 drivers each round and rank them in the order you want them to be used as a tie breaker. The odds of multiple people picking the same drivers and putting them in the same order I would think are extremely unlikely.

The big question is..... do you have time to do this dch?

[maddenfan]

Yes I'm in

[dch191]

The big question is..... do you have time to do this dch?

I should have the time to do this. That’s why I limited the rounds I would do to 10 or so so that it wouldn’t be to much added work. With that said, I’m not 100% that I’ll start this mini league just yet. I’m just trying to gauge interest right now.

[Pennsboro23]

I would be interested. It would be cool to do it like DFS. Like a $50,000 salary limit and each driver costs a certain amount.

[Kromulous]

I'm in, but keep the costs down.

[dch191]

I think the best way to do the entry is do it per pick. Either do it $1-3 per pick or put drivers in different tiers that have a different value. That way you can pick as many or as few as you want per round but regardless of how many drivers you take, only your best 4 count each round and once you pick a driver 5 times then that’s it for him. This way you can spend as much or as little as you want and still have a chance at winning.

[Mantis]

You could count me in.


the vote to go sports betting has got some people talking IC...

Yep.....I've always thought betting at the track like they do the ponies would be a great idea. Not sure how it would work but maybe it's something some tracks should look at.

[Chris Thomason]

Maybe we all just have to meet at the tracks, point to who we like, and hold up our dollars like homeboys do at the drag races??

[Illtsate32]

dch with all due respect I would just simplify this..pick any 5 drivers, top 4 finishing drivers points count, tie breaker is 5th driver. If they have same driver split the weekly purse...and only top 4 points drivers get counted as a usage the 5th driver dont get charged a usage...5 uses per driver for the season...

[Pennsboro23]

dch with all due respect I would just simplify this..pick any 5 drivers, top 4 finishing drivers points count, tie breaker is 5th driver. If they have same driver split the weekly purse...and only top 4 points drivers get counted as a usage the 5th driver dont get charged a usage...5 uses per driver for the season...

There would be way too many ties...if you could pick any 5 drivers most of the lineups would look the same. Bloomer, Richards, Davenport would be chalk every week on the Lucas tour, same with Sheppard, Madden, Marlar on WoO.

[Illtsate32]

Not with the picks limit..unless you have no interest in winning the overall points, it would be foolish to use up all the A-list drivers at once, you may win one week or two but thats about it...

[Pennsboro23]

Not with the picks limit..unless you have no interest in winning the overall points, it would be foolish to use up all the A-list drivers at once, you may win one week or two but thats about it...

How hard would it be to monitor a picks limit for every single person that plays for an entire season with multiple drivers?

Not that my opinion matters, but the best way to do it would be like DFS (Draftkings and fanduel). Let's say 6 roster spots, have a $50,000 salary cap. Each week the pricing changes on drivers, for instance Scott Bloomquist at Eldora would be the most expensive driver. Have it to where not every would have to pick Bloomer at his best tracks if you kept his price tag high enough.

[Illtsate32]

How hard would it be to monitor a picks limit for every single person that plays for an entire season with multiple drivers?

Not that my opinion matters, but the best way to do it would be like DFS (Draftkings and fanduel). Let's say 6 roster spots, have a $50,000 salary cap. Each week the pricing changes on drivers, for instance Scott Bloomquist at Eldora would be the most expensive driver. Have it to where not every would have to pick Bloomer at his best tracks if you kept his price tag high enough.

Ur right it would be a task Penn..if somebody could figure out the drivers salaries like dk that would be best I agree I just want some strategy involed. I dont like that 98 percent of the participants have Bloomer n Sheppard week after week after week, in a salary cap JD and them two should be sky high so their 5-6 picks would be locals lol...

[Illtsate32]

Salary cap would be a lot of figuring when you get to the middle of the pack to the lower tier drivers..wonder how dk does it they prob got some kind of software to calculate it to make it where you are always like a 100 bucks short of having the driver you want for ur final spot...

[Pennsboro23]

Salary cap would be a lot of figuring when you get to the middle of the pack to the lower tier drivers..wonder how dk does it they prob got some kind of software to calculate it to make it where you are always like a 100 bucks short of having the driver you want for ur final spot...

A lot of their pricing has to do with matchups, and where the games are played. Take MLB for example, Coors field is known as the best hitters park in baseball. When you have a team playing in Coors field, (take the Washington Nationals and Bryce Harper for example), he would cost an ungodly amount to where you are forced to jam in lower salary players with him.

You could do the same with racing. Like I mentioned earlier, Bloomer is obviously very good at Eldora, you could make him ($15,000 for example), which would leave $35,000 left for salary on 5 other drivers. You would then be forced to make some sacrifices, (Rusty Schlenk for $5,000 or Tyler Carpenter for $6,500). Say the following week, they're racing at Tyler County, you could make Josh Richards the most expensive and obviously find value picks with some of the locals that run there or use middle tier guys like Jared Hawkins, Dennis Erb, Mason Zeigler, etc. That would force people to not use the very most high profiled drivers every week. Those are just examples, it wouldn't be too hard to do IMO. Most of us know who runs the best at certain tracks. Driver history at each track would factor into pricing.

[dch191]

Keeping track of how many times each person picks a driver wouldn’t be that difficult. If it was a year long thing then it might be a bit more difficult, but this would be around 10-15 races

Doing something like draft kings would be an awesome idea but I wouldn’t even know where to begin in regards to placing values on drivers

[dch191]

also I'm not expecting as many people to participate in this league as the free one we currently have. I'm hoping that putting the entry at $10-20 per round will keep entries down to 20-30 a race and make it much more manageable than the 50+ in the free one

[Illtsate32]

An example but would really depend on where they are at...

JD $12,500
Bloomer $12,400
BShepp $12,100
Madden $11,000
Richards $10,800
Mc Dowell $10,100
T-Mac $10,000
Overton $9,800
Marler $9,500
Moran $8,700
Pierce $8,500
Pearson $8,300
Clanton $8,100
Eckert $8,000
D Oneal $8,000
D Erb $7,800
Lanigan $7,800
Junghans $7,400
H Oneal $7,400
T Erb $7,200
Satterlee $7,200
Fergy $7,100
Weiss (this weekend) $7,100
Mars $7,000
BMJ $6,900
Breazeale $6,500
Bronson $6,400
Culp $6,200
Sclenk $5,000
Carder Miller $4,600...
You get the idea lol

[Illtsate32]

Yes dch I agree I think the limit to 5 picks is the easiest way and will involve strategy where you cant just pick the best guys every week...

[dch191]

We'll start this money league next weekend for the Show-Me. Friday I'll make a thread with all the final details and rules. One last thing that I would like to bring up before it gets started is would there be any backlash if I were to join in on the fun as well? The way we'll do the picks is when you pay your fee for a particular round, you'll put your picks as a message on paypal to keep it private until a few hours before the race. In order to keep things transparent on my end and assure that everything is on the up and up, I'd be willing to make my picks public on the picks thread each round. That way theres no questions about me having the advantage of seeing who everyone else picks before i decide who my drivers are

[george w]

I'm down, count me in.

[Pennsboro23]

An example but would really depend on where they are at...

JD $12,500
Bloomer $12,400
BShepp $12,100
Madden $11,000
Richards $10,800
Mc Dowell $10,100
T-Mac $10,000
Overton $9,800
Marler $9,500
Moran $8,700
Pierce $8,500
Pearson $8,300
Clanton $8,100
Eckert $8,000
D Oneal $8,000
D Erb $7,800
Lanigan $7,800
Junghans $7,400
H Oneal $7,400
T Erb $7,200
Satterlee $7,200
Fergy $7,100
Weiss (this weekend) $7,100
Mars $7,000
BMJ $6,900
Breazeale $6,500
Bronson $6,400
Culp $6,200
Sclenk $5,000
Carder Miller $4,600...
You get the idea lol

That's pretty good.

[baalmond@gmail.com]

Look up stldtr fantasy league on Facebook. Follows mostly Lucas. $5 per week or $100 for year, and pays $25 to the winner. Really simple rules, just need some more to play.