Mt.Rushmore of Latemodels. VOTE

[ride height]

Please give your 4 nominees. Ill go first... the order you list them has no meaning. Just pick 4. Doesnt even have to be a driver.

1. Purvis
2. Bloomquist
3. Moyer
4. CJ

Can we keep this fun without a $hitstorm? You know...like adults. Comments are fine, but can we please keep it from getting personal with each other, lets see how many peeps we can get to participate.

[Bigdirtfan]

1.Earl 2.Bloomquist 3.Moyer 4.Moran

[cjp0354]

Bloomquist Moyer Baltes Rayburn

[CIRF]

Purvis, Moyer, Moran, Bloomy

[B_K]

Drivers
Purvis
Moore
Moyer
Bloomquist

Non-Driver
Rayburn (realize he drove as well)
Baltes
Smawley
BJ Parker

[pierceFAN]

Howe... Baltes...cj...bloomquist

[No_Weak_Links]

SS vote.....JD, Leeroy, Kevin, Cousin Joe. 😂

[ride height]

keep em coming. Just tell us your mind. Go for it. Earl is undisputed dirt royalty, but he was a kingpin in other types of dirt racing too.

[a25rjr]

SS vote.....JD, Leeroy, Kevin, Cousin Joe. 

That's funny and probly true!

But really.....Bloomer, Moyer, Purvis, Baltes!

[zyoung25]

Bloomer Moyer Moran Baltes

[ride height]

Zero is solidly in there. So far. Which isnt a shock. Anybody who follows this sport and goes to a race that says he isnt glad Zero pulled in the gate is a total liar. I dont like the skulls and dark type schtick he sells but I like to see him wheel it.

[Raceready]

Moyer, Moran, Larry Moore, Freddy Smith

[SLIDING SIDEWAYS]

I will respect your thread

[TTS_JF]

Bloomquist, Moyer, Freddy Smith, 4th spot is between Purvis, Moran, etc.

[dirtyboy]

Charlie Swartz
Larry Moore
Jeff Purvis
Billy Moyer

[dirt junkie]

Bloomer
Moyer
Purvis
Moran
....and if there’s a Statue of Liberty it would be Earl Baltes

[Clayton_Wetter]

I will respect your thread

Far out!!!!! :)

[Kwd1253]

blackie, centeroff, s.s. And me of course lol

Bloomquist, Moyer, Moore, Freddy smith

[Centeroff]

I can only think of 2. Bloomquist and all the rest of em

[Bradley]

Larry Moore, Freddy Smith, Billy Moyer, Scott Bloomquist...... The list could go on and on.... Purvis,Moran,L.Phillips,B.Simmons,M.Duvall....etc. etc.

[racincowboy02]

Duvall Freddie Smith Bloomquist Moyer Buck Simmons Moran Babb

[One Man Gang]

Scott Bloomquist
Larry Moore
Jeff Purvis
Ronnie Johnson

[bleedsbluer2]

This really depends on the era of racing years ago the dirt late models was like your support classes now with racing over the time era and race technology my 4 would be bloomquist,moyer,owens ,black jack boggs with Davenport and pierce standing at the bottom of the mountain wondering where they will add them in few years

[racincowboy02]

Bleed you make a very good point and i agree with you

If you had to chose 4 drivers from all the eras that you have seen which would be your order just curious to see what you think

[MI Dirt Fan]

Mark Richards, Scott Bloomquist, CJ Rayburn, Billy Moyer

[dirtdobber45]

Bloomquist... CJ.... Earl.... Hoosier tires. Because dirt track racing would NOT be where it is today if it hadnt been for these people(s)

[TerryM]

Three drivers are clearly in:

Scott Bloomquist
Billy Moyer
Donnie Moran

One non-driver is the clear choice for #1:

Earl Baltes

The fifth spot could be debated forever.

[kidrock]

Purvis, Moyer, Moran, Bloomy

Spot on, this is my picks as well.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

Bloomquist
Moyer
Baltes
Memmer

[Kwd1253]

I can only think of 2. Bloomquist and all the rest of em

I’m taking your face off since you didn’t vote for me lol 😂

[old_wedge_nut]

Purvis may be the best I've ever seen, but in my opinion I don't think he raced dirt long enough to knock some of these others out of the top 4.

[Mindwalker]

My personal Mt Rushmore would look like this...

Jo Fabrizius, Arnie Gardner, Bob Kelly and Dennis Erb Sr.

[jlacey]

Bloomquist, Moyer, Purvis, Boggs

[Pennsboro23]

Bloomquist, Moyer, Purvis, Moran, Boggs

[willardboy]

My 4 drivers may be a little different........... I've only been following dirt track racing for the last 8-10 years but the 4 drivers that stand out to me are: BLOOMQUIST, RICHARDS, DAVENPORT AND SHEPPARD

[MI Dirt Fan]

Thoughts on Bob Pierce?

[EagleDirt]

Bloomquist
Moyer
Freddy Smith
Moran

[Mindwalker]

Thoughts on Bob Pierce?

Ask CardirtO 😂

[Planetzer0]

Thoughts on Bob Pierce?Never won a major race at Eldora. Not even in the top 15 in my opinion. Actually I would put Bobby Pierce ahead of him already.

[flagone]

Easy top 3 for me:
Billy Moyer
Scott Bloomquist
Freddy Smith

But that 4th is tough. There are 100 reasons you can go either way with these:
Buck Simmons
Mike Duvall
Larry Moore
Donnie Moran
CJ Rayburn

I just can't put a non-driver on there. Mt. Rushmore is for Presidents - so to have someone other than a driver would be like putting the campaign manager on there lol.

[Mudweiser]

This list could include many others, and there are great arguments for each.. But for me, these guys are the ones that stick out to me when I was first introduced to our sport..

Smith
Moyer
Purvis
Bloomquist

[Planetzer0]

1. Bloomquist (most career majors) 2. Moyer (2nd in career majors) 3. Owens (3rd in career majors) 4. Purvis (greatest stretch in late model history) Moran was great at Eldora but never won a Show Me 100, Topless 100, Knoxville Nationals. A top 3 driver needs to have won at different tracks in my opinion. Theres 8 major races a year. World 100, DREAM, DTWC, Knoxville, Topless 100, USA Nationals, Show Me 100 and North South 100. Owens has 14 wins to Moran's 10. 6 of Morans 10 was at Eldora which is incredible but not enough for me to put him ahead of Owens. if we are doing drivers only

[KAOS]

Shane Clanton
Cheeseburger Lake
Blonde Bomber Mitchell
Billy Moyer Jr. Jr.

The sculpture will look like this, Shane Clanton will looking out towards the track in disgust because its passing points, Lake will be eating a cheeseburger that Billy Moyer Jr. Jr. bought from a McDonalds Drive Thru and Blonde Bomber will be be behind them all.

[HoosierDirtFan]

Easy top 3 for me:
Billy Moyer
Scott Bloomquist
Freddy Smith

But that 4th is tough. There are 100 reasons you can go either way with these:
Buck Simmons
Mike Duvall
Larry Moore
Donnie Moran
CJ Rayburn

I just can't put a non-driver on there. Mt. Rushmore is for Presidents - so to have someone other than a driver would be like putting the campaign manager on there lol.

I would agree. My list would be about the same. If Pervis would have stayed in dirt racing long enough I think he would be right there as well.

I think there are about 10 / 11 or so drivers that really helped push the sport along and I think you listed 8 of them. To round out the 10 / 11 I'd say Charlie Schwartz, Jack Boggs, & Jeff Pervis.

If a statistician where to make a list of all time greats; there would be maybe 10-15 maybe 20 on the list that where those guys you looked at and knew when they pulled in the pits they had a chance to win on any given night.

I know the old saying "Any driver can win on any given night" but in many cases it takes putting it all together and not just being lucky.

Making a Mount Rushmore list would be hard because there where many who have come and gone that where very good on a national and regional level.

I think for me to consider a driver to be an all time great you should have the accolades and stats to back it up. I think you need to be great for a certain length of time and have been around the block a time or too.

I'd like to see some one put a list together of say maybe 20 drivers who just had that "IT" factor and where just that darn good.

[MI Dirt Fan]

Mark Richards, Scott Bloomquist, CJ Rayburn, Billy Moyer

I still think my 4 are pretty solid.

[DIRT522]

Top 3
Jeff
Scott
Freddy

4th is a toss up.
Moore plus
Buck & Moyer
Buck over 1000 wins
Moyer over 800 wins

[Planetzer0]

No way Freddy Smith can be in the top 4 without a World 100 win.

[TerryM]

If Moran isn't in your Top 5, you don't know enough about the history of the sport.

[TerryM]

No way Freddy Smith can be in the top 4 without a World 100 win.
He's barely Top 20.

[Kwd1253]

If Moran isn't in your Top 5, you don't know enough about the history of the sport.

Lol that just your personal opinion. There whole list of people that can be in someone top 5. That make you sound like your forgot about lot history of dirt late model.

In no order
Jack Boggs
Rodney Combs
Jim Dunn
Mike Duvall
Larry Moore
Larry Phillips
Jeff Purvis
Buck Simmons
Freddy Smith
Charlie Swartz
Scott Bloomquist
Billy Moyer
Donnie Moran
John Gill
Mike Balzano
Dale McDowell
The list can keep going on of just drivers. You can put some the all time track owner/promoters/team owners/ in top 5 above drivers on what they did to the sport.

[Kwd1253]

No way Freddy Smith can be in the top 4 without a World 100 win.

He 5 times DTWC, 2 Dreams list can go on what Crown Jewels and numbers of series championships he has.

[Trax53]

Billy Moyer
Scott Bloomquist
Freddy Smith
Buck Simmons

[MI Dirt Fan]

Maybe we should take advantage of the 4m poll option and do actual polling to come up with a true 4 nominees. There is alot of lurkers on here that don't post that I'm sure would also just wanna vote.

The only issue with doing a poll is you can only have the option to pick one so I'm not sure how it would go.

Any other suggestions???

[Planetzer0]

If Moran isn't in your Top 5, you don't know enough about the history of the sport.Yeah he's 5th. Mount Rushmore is the top 4 drivers. Bloomquist, Moyer, Owens, Purvis. Moran would be 5th.

[Planetzer0]

He 5 times DTWC, 2 Dreams list can go on what Crown Jewels and numbers of series championships he has.Yeah, he has a great resume. They are talking about the top 4 in the sport. Bloomquist, Moyer, Owens, Purvis, Moran all have better numbers than Freddy. I would say hes top 10 easily but he never won the biggest race, with the best equipment in the sport.

[ThebigE]

Bloomer, Moyer, CJ, Earl

[Mindwalker]

Bloomquist... CJ.... Earl.... Hoosier tires. Because dirt track racing would NOT be where it is today if it hadnt been for these people(s)

You are 100% correct! There is absolutely NO dispute in your statement....

[fastford]

Bloomer , Moyer , Owens , R. Johnson......

[chupp n bloomer fan]

1.)Bloomer
2.)Moyer
3.)Earl Baltes
4.)Any of these-Donnie Moran, Freddy Smith, Jeff Purvis, Charlie Swartz, Larry Moore, Mark Richards, Rodney Combs, Mike Duvall, Buck Simmons, CJ Rayburn, and so on.

[chupp n bloomer fan]

Maybe we should take advantage of the 4m poll option and do actual polling to come up with a true 4 nominees. There is alot of lurkers on here that don't post that I'm sure would also just wanna vote.

The only issue with doing a poll is you can only have the option to pick one so I'm not sure how it would go.

Any other suggestions???List about 6-7, and take the top 4.

[MI Dirt Fan]

I'd list 10 and take the top 4 only thing is you can vote only once. Can't vote for the 4 guys you think should be on it. Is that ok? Someone would have to set it up I'm not sure how to do it. I've never done one.

[chupp n bloomer fan]

You just go to start a new thread, and add a poll. And pick who you want.

I’d list it like this:
1.)Bloomer
2.)Bloomquist
3.)Black Sunshine
4.)Dirt Trax Dominator
5.)Scottie B
6.)Snort
7.)Voodoo Child
8.)Yin-Yang
9.)Hippie
10.)Bloomerpuddin

[Raceready]

Just wondering about MLB and the Pete Rose gambling scandal that keeps him out of their HOF ? 1. If a driver should have to of happened to been given all of his top notch equipment from the very beginning, didn't have to dig and scratch from the bottom and earn their way into better equipment. 2. Several times caught cheating at the scales. 3. cheated up tires. 4. Arrested. 5 Putting crew members up to cheat 6. Many instances of snubbing off of the fans that pay hard earned money into the events. etc. Wondering if they should be there instead of the poor bastard that had to fight their way from broke and running a Saturday night track to the big time ?

[Planetzer0]

Just wondering about MLB and the Pete Rose gambling scandal that keeps him out of their HOF ? 1. If a driver should have to of happened to been given all of his top notch equipment from the very beginning, didn't have to dig and scratch from the bottom and earn their way into better equipment. 2. Several times caught cheating at the scales. 3. cheated up tires. 4. Arrested. 5 Putting crew members up to cheat 6. Many instances of snubbing off of the fans that pay hard earned money into the events. etc. Wondering if they should be there instead of the poor bastard that had to fight their way from broke and running a Saturday night track to the big time ?I assume you're talking about Bloomquist? Scott started with nothing. Moved here from California with a loan from his Dad to get started racing. 1988 World 100 he didn't have top notch equipment, probably not even top 20 equipment. Almost loaded up after he heard there was 200 cars at the track but decided what the hell let's try to make the show and ended up passing the greatest of all time coming off of two and lapped nearly the entire field. The rest you can't argue with, I think it's funny when non fans complain about him being light at the scales and not showing up on time. Lol. If he didn't he would have that many more wins so why are you complaining? I have sat with Scott at the track and other places so I can't comment on not having time for people at the track. I guess it depends when you approach him. Fans need to realize they are at the track to make money and not be your hero. I would take him winning the race over sitting and talking with me and finishing 9th everytime. But everyone has there own opinion.

[CageFaraday]

Drivers:
1. Buck Simmons
2. Larry Moore
3. Moyer
4. Bloomquist
*** Duane Hommel (Cut short but a cut above none the less.)

Chassis Builders:
1. Cj Rayburn
2. Frank McClendon
3. Ray Callahan
4. Jimmy Thomas

Promotors:
1. Earl Baltes
2. Robert Smawley
3. DTWC Dude
4. Mike Swimms

[flagone]

For me it isn't solely about numbers and events won. I also think about longevity and contribution to the sport.

[MI Dirt Fan]

I assume you're talking about Bloomquist? Scott started with nothing. Moved here from California with a loan from his Dad to get started racing. 1988 World 100 he didn't have top notch equipment, probably not even top 20 equipment. Almost loaded up after he heard there was 200 cars at the track but decided what the hell let's try to make the show and ended up passing the greatest of all time coming off of two and lapped nearly the entire field. The rest you can't argue with, I think it's funny when non fans complain about him being light at the scales and not showing up on time. Lol. If he didn't he would have that many more wins so why are you complaining? I have sat with Scott at the track and other places so I can't comment on not having time for people at the track. I guess it depends when you approach him. Fans need to realize they are at the track to make money and not be your hero. I would take him winning the race over sitting and talking with me and finishing 9th everytime. But everyone has there own opinion.

I thought he started driving his dad's car.

[MI Dirt Fan]

Drivers:
1. Buck Simmons
2. Larry Moore
3. Moyer
4. Bloomquist
*** Duane Hommel (Cut short but a cut above none the less.)

Chassis Builders:
1. Cj Rayburn
2. Frank McClendon
3. Ray Callahan
4. Jimmy Thomas

Promotors:
1. Earl Baltes
2. Robert Smawley
3. DTWC Dude
4. Mike Swimms
No Mark Richards? Your nuckin' futs.

[a25rjr]

You just go to start a new thread, and add a poll. And pick who you want.

I’d list it like this:
1.)Bloomer
2.)Bloomquist
3.)Black Sunshine
4.)Dirt Trax Dominator
5.)Scottie B
6.)Snort
7.)Voodoo Child
8.)Yin-Yang
9.)Hippie
10.)Bloomerpuddin


YEP......any 4 of those guys would work!

[chupp n bloomer fan]

Just wondering about MLB and the Pete Rose gambling scandal that keeps him out of their HOF ? 1. If a driver should have to of happened to been given all of his top notch equipment from the very beginning, didn't have to dig and scratch from the bottom and earn their way into better equipment. 2. Several times caught cheating at the scales. 3. cheated up tires. 4. Arrested. 5 Putting crew members up to cheat 6. Many instances of snubbing off of the fans that pay hard earned money into the events. etc. Wondering if they should be there instead of the poor bastard that had to fight their way from broke and running a Saturday night track to the big time ?1.)Was not given top notch equipment from the beginning.

2.)You weigh at the scales and either pass or don’t. If he had lead in his pockets, or threw some in on the way to the scales, then yes, that’s cheating the scales. Otherwise you just screwed up. Only time I’ve seen people try and cheat the scales was in sprints at Sharon for the Nationals. Jason Johnson finished 2nd or 3rd and got DQued. They tried to chuck stuff in the car on the way to the scales.

3.)The amount of people who have cheated tires is a heck of a list.

4.)Under 3 grams of coke, gimme a break. 1991 or something, Jesus.

5.)Lmao. Dunno wtf you are even talking about here. He did not want the number two pill.

6.)He has not snubbed off lots of fans. Many instances of him not snubbing off fans. You catch him at the wrong time since he makes the calls, ya you might have to wait. I know everyone should bow to our every beckon call, but I don’t look at it that way. Before the races or after, not during, and not if it was a real crappy race for them.

Why don’t you just say, I wonder if Scott Bloomquist should be there instead of fill in the blank? I dunno, maybe because the consensus of all of us, whether we like him or not, is that he should.

[chupp n bloomer fan]

I thought so.

[chupp n bloomer fan]

No Mark Richards? Your nuckin' futs.He doesn’t like Mark, so make of it what you want.

[MI Dirt Fan]

Must not be. And what racerready said? That guy is nuts.

[chupp n bloomer fan]

Must not be. And what racerready said? That guy is nuts.I think he has the limited edition life size Bloomer crotch chop Fatheadz taped to his ceiling in his bedroom for happy time.:)

[Mindwalker]

Maybe none of these guys want their mugs carved in a rock.... Ya ever think of that?

[Raceready]

LoL ! Didn't mention any names or imply anybody with my post ! But there are a lot of guilty consciences popping up on here ! Why so deep with the defence mode ? Did you read into it a comparison to a certain individual or what ?

[chupp n bloomer fan]

LoL ! Didn't mention any names or imply anybody with my post ! But there are a lot of guilty consciences popping up on here ! Why so deep with the defence mode ? Did you read into it a comparison to a certain individual or what ?You spelled it out Einstein. Just say it, don’t be a freakin female dog. Go back to trolling now sweetheart.

[bleedsbluer2]

Here you go racing cowboy2 80s top 3 jack boggs,billy moyer,jeff purvis 90s top 3 bloomquist,moyer,moran 2000s bloomquist,moyer,owens 20teens bloomquist richards,davenport the future bloomer has to hand the torch over davenport,pierce,hudson oneal

[francisfan]

Jack Boggs
Scott Bloomquist
Larry Moore
Earl Baltes

[oilman]

Robert Smawley has to be on there...…….this forum probably wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for him.

[a25rjr]

QUOTE: Robert Smawley has to be on there...…….this forum probably wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for him

My vote would be for:

1. Mindwalker
2. Blackford
3. 4 Banger
4. Any of the other 4,346 usernames he had!!! :) :)....and some morrisss!!!

[Kwd1253]

4 banger.. should be V8fourbanger- not firing on all cylinders lol

[Highside Hustler25]

Bloomer and Moyer are a lock.

Purvis? Yeah, I know he was a wheelman but how long was he in our sport?

I would have to say any list would have to include ole Buck Simmons. He was before most folks time on here but just because he never won a Lucas or WoO title, he did win a bunch of big races over a very long career.

[CageFaraday]

Bloomer and Moyer are a lock.

Purvis? Yeah, I know he was a wheelman but how long was he in our sport?

I would have to say any list would have to include ole Buck Simmons. He was before most folks time on here but just because he never won a Lucas or WoO title, he did win a bunch of big races over a very long career.

1024 career wins.
1981 NDRA champion (Most series wins, 20).
Southern allstar wins
Hav A Tampa wins
Raced Nascar in 79 and 80' (Best finish of 14th at Atlanta).
The first year Dixie Speedway was paved he won every late model race they had for the year.
and the list goes on...

Sadly most on 4m today haven't a clue, to them only what happened last week should count and everyone else with an opinion should just be quiet. There were other car builders and true innovators long before the West Virginia Fruit Company.

[chupp n bloomer fan]

1024 career wins.
1981 NDRA champion (Most series wins, 20).
Southern allstar wins
Hav A Tampa wins
Raced Nascar in 79 and 80' (Best finish of 14th at Atlanta).
The first year Dixie Speedway was paved he won every late model race they had for the year.
and the list goes on...

Sadly most on 4m today haven't a clue, to them only what happened last week should count and everyone else with an opinion should just be quiet. There were other car builders and true innovators long before the imitators in WV.Buck Simmons definitely is a great. But if you cannot admit you have a bias towards Rocket, who did the same thing Longhorn did supposedly, then whatever. And they all go through a cycle. Not just the evil people in Shinnston. He is a smart, shrewd, businessman, with a good partner, and he can be a butthole.

[a25rjr]

Buck Simmons definitely is a great. But if you cannot admit you have a bias towards Rocket, who did the same thing Longhorn did supposedly, then whatever. And they all go through a cycle. Not just the evil people in Shinnston. He is a smart, shrewd, businessman, with a good partner, and he can be a butthole.

Yep. I forgot about Buck in my earlier posts. Some of my early slm races was seeing Buck in the BWRC house car.

People say that about Mark but that definitely was not my experience with him. He and josh invited "us" to hang out at their trailer. He also said to crawl under the car and ask any questions....and we did! The ultimate businessman in my book!

[chupp n bloomer fan]

Yep. I forgot about Buck in my earlier posts. Some of my early slm races was seeing Buck in the BWRC house car.

People say that about Mark but that definitely was not my experience with him. He and josh invited "us" to hang out at their trailer. He also said to crawl under the car and ask any questions....and we did! The ultimate businessman in my book!Plain and simple, some people don’t like successful people. I don’t care, more power to you. I know he can be both ways, nice and a jerk. We all can. But I’ve also heard of them really trying to get customers straightened out with their cars. And letting them tag along at times.

[CageFaraday]

Buck Simmons definitely is a great. But if you cannot admit you have a bias towards Rocket, who did the same thing Longhorn did supposedly, then whatever. And they all go through a cycle. Not just the evil people in Shinnston. He is a smart, shrewd, businessman, with a good partner, and he can be a butthole.

I freely admit I will never step foot in Shinnston, WV. At the beginning of this thread it was asked that everyone be respectful of others opinions and NOT to disrupt the thread. I posted the men I thought in my view were the best and made no mention of who I don't like. Then two gentlemen made it a point to single me out because I'm not a fanboy of the West Virginia Fruit Company, so I made reference to that in the post you quoted. I make it a point these days to skip over and not respond to threads involving the aforementioned group. I don't have anything nice to say about them so I choose not to say anything. I like who I like and I try and stick to being positive where I can and leave my negative feelings and experiences unspoken. I propose we move ahead and leave the past in the past. Feel free to call me out in the future if you see me posting anything unflattering about them and I'll take it down. I personally feel that their have been other builders who actually were more innovative than the group who will remain unnamed.

Early in my career I had the good fortune to meet and work with several extremely intelligent men who taught me about dirt late models. Frank McClendon who founded Custom Chassis back in the 80's was the first to whom I was exposed and still use his scaling methods and weight principles to this day, even during my karting days. Frank built a plethora of different chassis designs that won many of the early crown jewels. The first car I ever was exposed to from Custom was a torsion bar car, followed by a reverse canti-lever, a 3-link and a 4-link and most were under-slung front and rear like a sprint car chassis. Next came CJ Rayburn, then JigAlo, then Mastersbilt and GRT. During my time with Carrera Racing Shocks I met and worked with many of the greats, 2 are in the HOF(Simmons & Moore). So my experiences are reflected in my choices for Mount Rushmore, who I admire and who are my friends, I left unspoken those who don't impress me.

[fastford]

tell us how great working with Joe Garrison was??????

[Kwd1253]

I'm not a fan of mark, but have give him and Steve props for what they have achieved and still being on top. Some people didn't like Mark after selling his part of wrc and Steve leaving Bullitt. It was best move they ever did, Mark has hired the best people that understands chassis in the pass and will keep getting the best to stay on top. Hate him or love him can't knock him for what he has done in d.l.m. and for his company.

[Mindwalker]

Sadly most on 4m today haven't a clue,

What in tarnation are you talking about when you have SS on here daly ?? Get a clue dude!

[SLIDING SIDEWAYS]

what in tarnation are you talking about when you have ss on here daly ?? Get a clue dude!

^^^^ says the 4m guru ^^^^

[CageFaraday]

tell us how great working with Joe Garrison was??????

Enough, I'm not carrying this any further. I posted who I like and respect that would fit into a list of 4, with a nod to those who are no longer with us. I think Mount Rushmore is more appropriate for founders and pioneers than the latest ones to reach the summit, but that is MY opinion. Moving on...

[chupp n bloomer fan]

I freely admit I will never step foot in Shinnston, WV. At the beginning of this thread it was asked that everyone be respectful of others opinions and NOT to disrupt the thread. I posted the men I thought in my view were the best and made no mention of who I don't like. Then two gentlemen made it a point to single me out because I'm not a fanboy of the West Virginia Fruit Company, so I made reference to that in the post you quoted. I make it a point these days to skip over and not respond to threads involving the aforementioned group. I don't have anything nice to say about them so I choose not to say anything. I like who I like and I try and stick to being positive where I can and leave my negative feelings and experiences unspoken. I propose we move ahead and leave the past in the past. Feel free to call me out in the future if you see me posting anything unflattering about them and I'll take it down. I personally feel that their have been other builders who actually were more innovative than the group who will remain unnamed.

Early in my career I had the good fortune to meet and work with several extremely intelligent men who taught me about dirt late models. Frank McClendon who founded Custom Chassis back in the 80's was the first to whom I was exposed and still use his scaling methods and weight principles to this day, even during my karting days. Frank built a plethora of different chassis designs that won many of the early crown jewels. The first car I ever was exposed to from Custom was a torsion bar car, followed by a reverse canti-lever, a 3-link and a 4-link and most were under-slung front and rear like a sprint car chassis. Next came CJ Rayburn, then JigAlo, then Mastersbilt and GRT. During my time with Carrera Racing Shocks I met and worked with many of the greats, 2 are in the HOF(Simmons & Moore). So my experiences are reflected in my choices for Mount Rushmore, who I admire and who are my friends, I left unspoken those who don't impress me.All good man, I’ll leave it alone. I respect your response and wishes, and will do my best to not be a you know what.

Believe you mean Larry Moore, his book was great. He used to drive for Stan Hover, who is based in NE Ohio. My Dad had some of his cars built at Hovers, and knew them both(Stan Sr and Jr). Don’t think he had interactions with Larry though.

[CageFaraday]

Yes, it was Larry Moore. For a brief time towards the end, D!ck Anderson hired him to consult at Carrera. I missed working with Charlie Swartz by about a year when I was there. I love Larry's book and Jack Hewitt's too.

[Raceready]

Oh memories of Stan Hover ! He is responsible for the N.E. local legend Ron Davies claim to fame. He was the 1st in that area to have one of the truly totally shop manufactured chassis with the tubular A frames without any of the old stock parts etc. He was a quite the local terror until everyone started to drift away from the home built chassis and started to grow to the next level.