Joliet SN

[Shiny Side Up 18]

No car count info yet. A LOT of water going down on the track now.

[hoosier race fan]

No car count info yet. A LOT of water going down on the track now.
And STILL putting down more. Looks like a recipe for Billy Moyer to load up after hotlaps.

[thexfactor0210]

Hot laps were supposed to begin at 5:30. Still no cars on track?

[Shiny Side Up 18]

Hot laps were supposed to begin at 5:30. Still no cars on track?No, still packing.

[Shiny Side Up 18]

And STILL putting down more. Looks like a recipe for Billy Moyer to load up after hotlaps.I'm somewhat surprised he showed up tonight TBH. He's pitted next to Thirlby.

[Bigdirtfan]

First time ever being at the dirt oval, this place is really nice.

[WildBill32]

27 cars there per DOD.

[Shiny Side Up 18]

Still packing. Sheepsfoot out now.

[Shiny Side Up 18]

27 cars there per DOD.That's more than I expected.

[Bigdirtfan]

Decent sized crowd and the bleachers are providing shade at least. The silverado is reeling in the jeep during the packing session.

[MI Dirt Fan]

They have Moyers old hauler

[Shiny Side Up 18]

STILL packing.....

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Cars are FINALLY lining up for hotlaps.

[IL LM Fan]

How's it coming along?

[Shiny Side Up 18]

Qualifying now.

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Group 1 fast time: Shannon Babb 15.820

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Group 2 fast time: Mike Mataragas 15.883. Devin Gilpin may have lost an engine.

[IL LM Fan]

Thank you.

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Group 3 fast time: Tony Jackson Jr. 15.936

[Shiny Side Up 18]

8:17 and we're farming again. Heats haven't started yet...

[hoosier race fan]

Still dic kin around.

[Hollis]

Kentucky lake.3k ..66.There is a pattern.

[Bigdirtfan]

Track looks good fingers crossed for a good race, but yes an hr and a half past advertised start time.

[Shiny Side Up 18]

8:32 and first heat hits the track. Mods first.

[rickybrown1952]

They have Moyers old haulerDon't understand who are they that has moyers old Hauler

[Hollis]

Thanks again.

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LM heats on track. 3 heats, top 5 transfer.

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Heat 1 transfers: Babb, Chad Simpson, Thirlby, Stubber, Schlenk.

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Heat 2 transfers: Mataragas, Shirley, Manville, Moyer, Feger.

[MI Dirt Fan]

Don't understand who are they that has moyers old Hauler

Thirlby.........

[Zonks32x]

Apparently, Will county has a daytime watering ban...whether it's dirt or grass.

Glad I opted not to make the 2.5 hour drive for this one.

[Shiny Side Up 18]

Heat 3 transfers: Heckenast, Jackson, Culp, Unzicker, Diercks. Diercks may have blown up after the checkers. Heats complete.

[Shiny Side Up 18]

I'm afraid it's going to come down to who draws the pole. MORE track packing now...

[Bigdirtfan]

All the races in my time zone are over and im in illinois watching more track prep before street stock heats.

[Shiny Side Up 18]

C-Main next. But first, more packing...

[Bigdirtfan]

They just asked for applause for track prep crew haha, you cant make this stuff up.

[IL LM Fan]

They just asked for applause for track prep crew haha, you cant make this stuff up.

Bless them. Hope they're staying hydrated!

[Shiny Side Up 18]

C-Main next. Top 3 advance to the A-main.

[intel8]

Thanks for the updates shiny, I too am glad I didn't make the trip to Joliet. Think Hollis is on to something here. Lol...

[MI Dirt Fan]

Do they run a weekly show?

[Shiny Side Up 18]

C-Main transfers: Hoffman, Spatola, Chris Simpson.

[turnleftandgasit]

No. Last LM race was last Sept I think.

[Shiny Side Up 18]

Do they run a weekly show?No........

[Hollis]

No.............

[cjp0354]

Same people that complain about track prep will be the first to bash a one lane racetrack. I’d rather sit at a dirt track and watch them farm so I can hope and see a good race, rather then them rush through the program on a crap track. JMO. I’m not there Because I had to work, so perhaps I shouldn’t talk.

[t3r3e3]

I see the Summer Nats are doing that shady C-Main crap again this year.

[Bigdirtfan]

Over three hours of track prep since 5:30, i think im staying pretty positive actually.

[Shiny Side Up 18]

@cjp0354 The problem is it's been one lane all night and all the packing they've done hasn't done anything. The track is just too flat for the top to come in like they want it to. It took about 35 laps for it to widen out at the WoO show last October.

[IL LM Fan]

Unless things have changed, it's probably around last call now too?

[modfan24]

Typical UMP logic.

Babb jumps the start of a heat and it’s ok. 2 or 3 other starts get called back.

No pass for the lead yet other than kissinger blowing a tire in a heat. Idk what more Sherri could do but it’s been a snoozer.

[Shiny Side Up 18]

Redraw: Babb, Mataragas, Heckenast. Provisionals: Moyer Jr., Gardner, Parker, Rettig.

[Shiny Side Up 18]

Late models are lined up. But first, more track prep...

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50 lap A-main on track.

[Bigdirtfan]

Shiny side i gotta say ive been impressed how quickly youve sent out results tonight. You get stuff posted as they are crossing the line.

[plunks7]

Isn't it a 30 lap feature?

[Shiny Side Up 18]

Correction: 30 laps.

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Green flag!

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Babb jumps out to a half straightaway lead in two laps.

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Lap 6: Caution as Heckenast slows with a flat. 18 1m 25s 3s 56 33 14 21 c8 24

[Bigdirtfan]

30 laps?????

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Back to green. 24 to go. Heckenast is done.

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Caution back out immediately as the orange cone is kicked up on the frontstretch.

[Zonks32x]

Cjp0354

I hear what you're saying, and I agree to a point. Yes, get the track right but...start the program close to on time. A near two hour delay when a track had ALL day/week to get the race surface ready is bad practice. It's not like this race was just scheduled two days ago & nobody knew they were racing tonight.

We talk on this board all the time about attracting and keeping new fans. A night like this, starting late and a bunch of down time, doesn't help sell new fans on dirt racing. Especially if those first timers brought kids. They likely won't be back when they leave at 10pm and only saw 30 minutes of racing.

When I buy a ticket to a baseball game and that ticket says 7:00pm, I know with 100% certainty that the first pitch will be at 7:00. I'm not sitting in my seat at 8pm waiting for the game to start b/c six guys are mowing the grass on the field.

When I buy a ticket to a football game, I know the game is going to kick-off at noon. The game doesn't start late b/c the grounds crew is still lining the field.

I buy a ticket to a dirt race and the ticket/track website says racing starts at 6:30. I know that start time doesn't mean a hill of beans. I'm gonna get there at 6:30pm and still see some kind of trucks, tractors, or other form of old rusted-out pieces of $@!# still packing the track.

No new fans would ever show up if the ticket or track website said, "Races start at 6:30 "ish"...rarely on time, but before 8pm."

[Shiny Side Up 18]

Back to green. 23 to go.

[Shiny Side Up 18]

Red flag as there was a huge jam up on the restart. Rusty Schlenk flips multiple times and lands on his roof. Driver is ok.

[Bigdirtfan]

Rusty on lid again now its all worth it for me. Haha hes alright so i can laugh.

[Shiny Side Up 18]

Billy Moyer has significant damage to the left side. Stubber and Gardner involved. Wait until you see the video of that one...

[racecar1127]

Dirt on dirt said delay of race start was due to excessive heat. Wanted to wait until sun was lower. I am not there so unsure on the call, just going off of what I read.

[Shiny Side Up 18]

Back to green. 23 to go..

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Caution lap 8. Culp takes out Shirley. 18 25s 1m 14 56

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Unzicker in the hot pit. Shirley returns.

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Back to green. 22 to go.

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Caution at lap 10 as Culp slows. Babb slips and loses the lead, but scoring reverted back a lap. Babb gets the lead back. I don't get that one...

[Shiny Side Up 18]

Babb gets the lead back for some reason. 21 to go. 18 25s 1m

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Caution at lap 13 as Shirley slows. Babb appears to be getting a gift from UMP... 18 m14 1m 33 56 25s 21 2h 89 94

[Shiny Side Up 18]

Back to green qith 17 to go.

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Halfway: 18 m14 1m 33 25s

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10 to go. 18 m14 1m 33 56. Unzicker and Gundaker out.

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5 to go. 18 m14 1m 56 33

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Finish: Babb wins his third straight SN race. 18 m14 1m 56 33 21 3s 25s 25f 2h

[Chris Thomason]

Babb on a roll.

Thanks shiny side. Good job as always

[Shiny Side Up 18]

Babb says the race director hollered "YELLOW YELLOW" on the raceceiver, but the race stayed green.

[cjp0354]

Without ever being there, and only seeing videos, it’s seems as if they need to make the track narrower and add some banking. It looks like the top is so far out there that the bottom always has advantage. I sure hope they get it figured out because I’ve heard the facility is top notch and would be nice to have another track capable of having a big money race.

Also I see how my post earlier about track prep could have turned bad, but the responses to it were informative and did not turn into bashing. Maybe it’s possible to have a good thread as long as 0 and 32 don’t get brought up.

[rickybrown1952]

Anyone know what position Billy moyer started in?

[MI Dirt Fan]

Anyone know what position Billy moyer started in?

11th..........

[#49superman!]

glad to see the facility not go to waste. Should be a big crown jewel event at a facility like that.

[Shiny Side Up 18]

glad to see the facility not go to waste. Should be a big crown jewel event at a facility like that.They have a 2-day $25,000 to win WoO show in October.

[chupp n bloomer fan]

I see a pattern in all the tracks she has ran............into the ground.

[Highside Hustler25]

I see the Summer Nats are doing that shady C-Main crap again this year.

Not sure your reasoning here?
Car count over 32, their's a B main and C main.
Car count 31 or less, just a C Main.
I believe they only has 28 entries.


Their was a lot of down time for track prep but I would rather they try to get it right instead of just going with what they had. At least they gave it a all out effort.
90 degrees and sunny didn't help the track surface any either.
It is one beautiful facility. I'll definitely be back for the fall race.

Abba dabba Babba three in a row. He's on a roll.

[IL LM Fan]

I see a pattern in all the tracks she has ran............into the ground.

Tell us how she ran Kankakee into the ground. Were you even there? She's been doing quite well for years with Team Demo at 66 as well. Been there either?

[jr29]

I love seeing the local/semi-regional guys like Thirlby, Mataragas and Manville running toward the front.

[TMaCiLLiNi39]

That wreck which involved Schlenk flipping was caused by Brian Shirley and his patented “Brake Check” on restarts... Shirley has always been an idiot though, so I’m not surprised

[chupp n bloomer fan]

Tell us how she ran Kankakee into the ground. Were you even there? She's been doing quite well for years with Team Demo at 66 as well. Been there either?I’m sorry I picked on your girlfriend. She got her chance when I drove 6-7 hours to Paducah, for a debacle. Shame of it was, it was a good feature, with Francis winning on the last lap. Why’d she leave KKK then? Why’d the screw off last night? I’m all ears, she has a helluva a pattern/track record.

[chupp n bloomer fan]

They..........

[MI Dirt Fan]

Says on DoD they waited for the sun to go down because of the temps.

[HoosierDirtFan]

CnB
She left Kankakee because of the Fair board. The County Fair Board there is a complete joke. They have ran off the Izzo Family, O'Connor Family, Osterhoff Family promoted for a year, and they ran off Sherri, and now they are screwing with Tom Smith. Anyone that lives in the Chicagoland region knows the K3 board is a bunch of B.S. You had one bad experience. That doesn't mean she is a bad promoter. The NHRA Sanctioned dragstrip there in Joliet has a lot of say in what the dirt Oval does. But On the flip side this past off season the Fair Board took out an add in a racing magazine looking for a promoter. They say Dave Wennington in the promoter this year but Tom is still there helping.

GOOD DAY FOLKS. SEE YOU ALL LATER.
I'LL try to do a few updates from Plymouth night.

[MI Dirt Fan]

I found the video for the mod race on YouTube but not the LM. Did they only have 11 mods?

[Shiny Side Up 18]

I found the video for the mod race on YouTube but not the LM. Did they only have 11 mods?13 mods and 14 street stocks.

[highgroove]

Cjp0354

I hear what you're saying, and I agree to a point. Yes, get the track right but...start the program close to on time. A near two hour delay when a track had ALL day/week to get the race surface ready is bad practice. It's not like this race was just scheduled two days ago & nobody knew they were racing tonight.

We talk on this board all the time about attracting and keeping new fans. A night like this, starting late and a bunch of down time, doesn't help sell new fans on dirt racing. Especially if those first timers brought kids. They likely won't be back when they leave at 10pm and only saw 30 minutes of racing.

When I buy a ticket to a baseball game and that ticket says 7:00pm, I know with 100% certainty that the first pitch will be at 7:00. I'm not sitting in my seat at 8pm waiting for the game to start b/c six guys are mowing the grass on the field.

When I buy a ticket to a football game, I know the game is going to kick-off at noon. The game doesn't start late b/c the grounds crew is still lining the field.

I buy a ticket to a dirt race and the ticket/track website says racing starts at 6:30. I know that start time doesn't mean a hill of beans. I'm gonna get there at 6:30pm and still see some kind of trucks, tractors, or other form of old rusted-out pieces of $@!# still packing the track.

No new fans would ever show up if the ticket or track website said, "Races start at 6:30 "ish"...rarely on time, but before 8pm."

Per dod...they moved up hot laps to 7 because of excessive heat...

[Shiny Side Up 18]

Bob Gardner has decided to pull off of the tour.

[Chris Thomason]

Billy Moyer has significant damage to the left side. Stubber and Gardner involved. Wait until you see the video of that one...

Was that the most dramatic 20mph crash there has ever been? Haha

[hoosier race fan]

Whatever the excuse was, whether it was a water ban, waiting for the sun to go down, wanting to get the track right, stretching the show to sell more food, etc., there is no excuse for a failure to COMMUNICATE. If it really was a delay due to the water ban or waiting for the temperature to go down, then that should have been shared with the paying customers. Hell, they head 3 announcers, I’d like to think one of them could have said something. Instead, they tried to pull the wool over everyone’s eyes by having some 10 year olds and some announcer that likes to scream “Make some noise!” throw some t-shirts 8 rows up into the bleachers. You only get one chance to make a first impression, and there were a lot of disappointed fans that watched a tractor show thinking that’s how things are normally done. Many around me said they would never come back. That frustration could have been reduced with a little communication and honesty. Whatever the BS is that gets in the way, like fair boards, county laws, the weather, or disappointing car counts, it is much better to communicate with your customers and be honest with them. It builds this important quality known as trust. Something I don’t have with this track or promoter anymore.

[Shiny Side Up 18]

A lot of these promoters don't appear to understand that many fans travel a few hours or more for these events (or maybe they just don't care). The people I sat with were very upset about all the screwing around, and they are hard core fans. All the pack trucks in the world weren't going to widen out the groove. It may have actually been a better feature if they hadn't rolled it in after every class. This looked more like a cash grab, since the concessions are the same ones from the NASCAR track ($16 for a sandwich and a watered down lemonade). I'm glad I didn't buy anything at Peoria or Kankakee, because last night made up for those. The track is too flat to widen out in a timely manner. Don't tell me social media is killing this sport. I'm so sick and tired of that horsecrap copout excuse. It's not starting at the advertised time and screwing around all night and keeping everybody there until 11:30 for three classes, two of which were under 15 cars, and running the headlining feature dead last that's killing this sport. I'm a diehard, so I stayed until the bitter end, but I can't imagine how put off a first timer or a casual fan must be after a night like that. These promoters do not care about time management, and biting the hands that feed them will come back to haunt them sooner than later as the core fanbase isn't getting any younger. What happened last night doesn't exactly make me want to go back in October.

[Clayton_Wetter]

They just asked for applause for track prep crew haha, you cant make this stuff up.

I'm applauding, I don't go to races to see dusty choo choo's.

[thexfactor0210]

Shiny side up you are dead on. I am a hard core fan and attend 35-40 races a year. I travel all over the country to see them. But the piss poor time management drives me nuts.

[Clayton_Wetter]

10 to go. 18 m14 1m 33 56. Unzicker and Gundaker out.

If you screw up under a yellow you don't lose your position. Unless you caused the yellow.

[Clayton_Wetter]

Dirt on dirt said delay of race start was due to excessive heat. Wanted to wait until sun was lower. I am not there so unsure on the call, just going off of what I read.

That just makes sense.

[Shiny Side Up 18]

If you screw up under a yellow you don't lose your position. Unless you caused the yellow.What happend was the race director hollered "yellow", and Babb slowed down, only for the green to stay out. He slowed under green because he thought the yellow was out. The yellow came out for a slow car the next lap, and Babb was given his spot back. I didn't know what had happened at the time.

[Clayton_Wetter]

I see, then it was the towers fault.

[chupp n bloomer fan]

CnB
She left Kankakee because of the Fair board. The County Fair Board there is a complete joke. They have ran off the Izzo Family, O'Connor Family, Osterhoff Family promoted for a year, and they ran off Sherri, and now they are screwing with Tom Smith. Anyone that lives in the Chicagoland region knows the K3 board is a bunch of B.S. You had one bad experience. That doesn't mean she is a bad promoter. The NHRA Sanctioned dragstrip there in Joliet has a lot of say in what the dirt Oval does. But On the flip side this past off season the Fair Board took out an add in a racing magazine looking for a promoter. They say Dave Wennington in the promoter this year but Tom is still there helping.

GOOD DAY FOLKS. SEE YOU ALL LATER.
I'LL try to do a few updates from Plymouth night.Gotcha on KKK. She ran KLMS like she is running 66, so there’s that. I’m good.

[golddirt]

Klms was more with the town not wanting the track. Now the screws in the old drywall put down at klms was all on Sherry witch ultimately cost O'Neal a championship

[#49superman!]

just watched feature video, and saw that as well. WTF was that all about with the Shirley? Feel bad for Rusty Schlenk, innocent victim.

[#49superman!]

"Shiny Side Up 18A lot of these promoters don't appear to understand that many fans travel a few hours or more for these events (or maybe they just don't care). The people I sat with were very upset about all the screwing around, and they are hard core fans. All the pack trucks in the world weren't going to widen out the groove. It may have actually been a better feature if they hadn't rolled it in after every class. This looked more like a cash grab, since the concessions are the same ones from the NASCAR track ($16 for a sandwich and a watered down lemonade). I'm glad I didn't buy anything at Peoria or Kankakee, because last night made up for those. The track is too flat to widen out in a timely manner. Don't tell me social media is killing this sport. I'm so sick and tired of that horsecrap copout excuse. It's not starting at the advertised time and screwing around all night and keeping everybody there until 11:30 for three classes, two of which were under 15 cars, and running the headlining feature dead last that's killing this sport. I'm a diehard, so I stayed until the bitter end, but I can't imagine how put off a first timer or a casual fan must be after a night like that. These promoters do not care about time management, and biting the hands that feed them will come back to haunt them sooner than later as the core fanbase isn't getting any younger. What happened last night doesn't exactly make me want to go back in """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""I agree, and what about fans that showed up on time, they just suppose to sit and wait while roasting in the sun?

[dirtyboy]

On the flip side, we we're hoping 66 would announce a later starting time so sitting in the heat could be avoided. When they didn't announce pushing the start time back, we decided to stay home in the ac and watch the Lucas race live on Lucas Oil TV. (not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word) good race it was!

[#49superman!]

On the flip side, we we're hoping 66 would announce a later starting time so sitting in the heat could be avoided. When they didn't announce pushing the start time back, we decided to stay home in the ac and watch the Lucas race live on Lucas Oil TV. (not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word) good race it was!that's what I don't get? So they just let the fans sit there and wait??

[chupp n bloomer fan]

Klms was more with the town not wanting the track. Now the screws in the old drywall put down at klms was all on Sherry witch ultimately cost O'Neal a championshipYes. The original owner made enemies with the town, and anyone else was pretty much doomed. And then the highway came through. But her time management, track prep, left a lot to be desired.

[Mud Packer]

You only have one time to make a first impression. If you can't start on time, how are you ever going to impress new fans into coming back. Sorry but I'm with Shiny on this one. When I'm put in this position by a track starting late and screwing around, seldom to I ever return. Promoter need to start paying attention BEFORE it's too late.

[fryefan]

She definitely missed Ben Shelton's (excellent) article from a couple of weeks ago about people not wanting to be at a racetrack all night long. That was one of the worst ran programs that I have attended in the last 5 years.

If Bob Sargeant was running that show, then we would have been done by AT LEAST 9 pm (with no more cars than there were there).

I am one of those diehards who travels a lot to special events, but I will not be making any more trips to that place.

[fryefan]

Apparently, Will county has a daytime watering ban...whether it's dirt or grass.

Glad I opted not to make the 2.5 hour drive for this one.

That is a BS excuse. They were watering it at 4 pm when I went in and put down a blanket.

Also, the track was rolled in and ready to go at the advertised time (6pm hot laps), but instead of rolling the cars out, they brought the water truck back out and drenched it.

This lead to an hour and a half delay and a track that was narrow all night long.

[ThebigE]

Anyone have a video of the restart with the Schlenk flip?

[TMaCiLLiNi39]

Anyone have a video of the restart with the Schlenk flip?

DirtonDirt does

[LM1M]

Great facility there, I hope it works out but they have to shorten the track or do something to make the place more racier.

[bullring]

I agree with what most of you are saying. My biggest pet peeve in attending races is not starting anywhere near advertised start times. I have tracks/series that I wont even ask anybody to go with me to because of the way I know it will be run. When I see a man, wife, and kids leaving a track that they just spent good money to attend leaving the track after 10:30 and haven't seen one feature yet, do you think he will be coming back? People have choices for entertainment and don't have to tolerate that kind of promotion.

Perfect example. End of April there was a race with a scheduled start time of 4:30 on a Sunday afternoon. I had a family function that afternoon. I knew I would be late but figured I'd see most of races. Cut out of function early, drove an hour and a half to arrive at 5:30 to find they were still hotlapping. First race didn't start until after 6:30. Racing ended after 10:30 so I wasn't home until after midnight on what was now Monday morning. That 2 hours of time would have greatly improved my Monday morning. And of course, no mention ever by the track or sanctioning series on why they were 2 hours behind. Just business as usual.

[dirty-white-boy]

There are people that put on races then there are promoters. I have never been a fan of the person that put the show on at Joliet. She does no wrong, just ask her. :)

She does not care if you don't come back because her daddy has money to bail her out and her Demo Derbies will pay for the next late model race she can say she put on as she posts another selfie on Facebook :)

[dirtyboy]

Let's not get carried away here. The family that promotes the races at Rte. 66 does a WHOLE lot for dirt track racing. Are they perfect, absolutely not!

I am sure if you were to send an email, or better yet talk to the Promoter in person about your issue(s), they would be addressed. At least give it a shot :)

[Senroc-Systems]

I'm somewhat surprised he showed up tonight TBH. He's pitted next to Thirlby.

Thirlby has Billy's old hauler, IIRC. I've seen them parked together a few other times.

[Cardirt0]

They tried fix the track it was real bad. Made it better, BUT its still a long way from being a good track to race on needs LOTs of work. Turns are set up all wrong for Dirt. And you cant run a dirt track like a NASCAR track people are not the same. they hard working people not rich people looking for a place to blow there cash.