Could this race be done and get the cars and fans?

[latemodelman]

I was wondering if you made a race at say Oakshade or Atomic or Waynesfield and had it on an off weekend that WOO and Lucas did not run and make it a 1 day show gates open at 11a.m. hotlaps with group qualifying at 6p.m. heats at 8 p.m. NO ENTRY FEES PITS $40 STANDS $35 Purse as follows.

1 35,000
2 25,000
3 20,000
4 18,000
5 17,000
6 16,000
7 15,000
8 14,000
9 13,000
10 12,000
11thru15 11,000
16thru20 10,500
21thru24 10,000

B -Main non qualifiers 2,000
C-Main non qualifiers 1,500
D-Main non qualifiers 1,000

[huskerdirt]

You need about 300 cars and 60000 in the stands. That’s just my opinion.

[Buckeye SLM]

Mathematically:332.5 feature4.5 non-qualifiers $337k purse400 x $40 16k (pit crews only pit passes)10k x $35 350k (stands, would have to be a big place)50 x 110 $5500 leaving entry fee off the table, guessing 50 teams at standard entry fee....so free entry isn’t a huge chunk in the grand total, which is not what we’re led to believe. Doable with concessions, camping fees, etc. for one day show, even better. Race teams get a bigger return for one day and chance at $35k than 3 day’s divided out for same amount of money. Heck say no entry fee and raise pits to $50 and you’d still probably cover the entry fees that aren’t collected.

[latemodelman]

I think you could get 70 to 90 cars and a full house. Maybe run mods for 1,500 to win 150 to start as a support.

[Clayton_Wetter]

You're talking about a total purse for the whole thing of about $340K. You would have to charge $75.00 a ticket @5000 paid grandstand tickets, and hope to sell a lot of food, and rake in $50K pit money to make a pretty good profit.

[Josh Bayko]

Those gate prices would make it impossible to even break even.

[Clayton_Wetter]

Why not, $375,000 in tickets, 50K pit money, concessions taking in 50,000. That's over 100,000 more than the total purse.

[Josh Bayko]

Why not, $375,000 in tickets, 50K pit money, concessions taking in 50,000. That's over 100,000 more than the total purse.

I wasn’t talking to you Clayton, I was going off the OP.

[Clayton_Wetter]

Sorry, my bad. You are right about not pulling this race off. That is too much purse in case the weather or other things go wrong. Those tracks have nice seating capacities but nothing like Eldora.

[hucktyson]

So you want a guy to put out 400k in purses hoping to maybe break even lol. The purse isn’t the only cost the promoter has . Why would anyone ever be stupid enough to risk 400+k hoping to break even lol lol lol

[play4kps]

You cant fix a money problem by throwing more money at it! Look whether we want to believe it or not, super lates are dying at a record pace. whether we like it or not, crates will be the normal. they are somehow going to have to find a way to police the cheating in it! People get on here and think the health of the sport lives and dies off Lucas oil and the WOO. Im here to tell you with those series not being fed, 12-20 cars will be the normal car count at their show very shortly. Some of the big sponsors of both series are destroying the sport, how many sets of shocks do you think Bloomquist, Richards , Davenport and etc , are buying? That answer would be none, but a guy like K-rob or Zack Dohm would have to fork out big bucks for them just to be competitive! And the whole Timothy Culp incident, get your blinders off, he is 100% right, promoters turn a blind eye to a select few to bring big names in! If any other driver handled the drug test incident like Scott, there would be hell to pay. Whether you like it or not he made a mockery out of this sport and exposed the favoritism that is ruining this sport

[grt74]

You cant fix a money problem by throwing more money at it! Look whether we want to believe it or not, super lates are dying at a record pace. whether we like it or not, crates will be the normal. they are somehow going to have to find a way to police the cheating in it! People get on here and think the health of the sport lives and dies off Lucas oil and the WOO. Im here to tell you with those series not being fed, 12-20 cars will be the normal car count at their show very shortly. Some of the big sponsors of both series are destroying the sport, how many sets of shocks do you think Bloomquist, Richards , Davenport and etc , are buying? That answer would be none, but a guy like K-rob or Zack Dohm would have to fork out big bucks for them just to be competitive! And the whole Timothy Culp incident, get your blinders off, he is 100% right, promoters turn a blind eye to a select few to bring big names in! If any other driver handled the drug test incident like Scott, there would be hell to pay. Whether you like it or not he made a mockery out of this sport and exposed the favoritism that is ruining this sport

this is off subject of the post but spot on, everyone should be treated equal when it comes to the rules

[Krooser]

That tace will never happen unless the OP wants to back that purse...

[GEAR_HEAD]

The only tracks in Ohio that could pull that off are Eldora or Mansfield. And even that would be a stretch.

[HoosierDirtFan]

Maybe not in Ohio but I'd bet Knoxville (IA) Raceway could pull it off.

[play4kps]

I am by no means defending that racing surface.

[Josh Bayko]

Maybe not in Ohio but I'd bet Knoxville (IA) Raceway could pull it off.

They probably could, but it would still be really long odds to make any kind of profit.


This whole school of thought that a huge payout like this is going to somehow help dirt late model racing is flawed. All it would do is take gate prices to the NASCAR level, and drive the little guy out of the sport at an even faster rate.

[Kromulous]

Tell ya what, if i hit the Lotto i will put on the race, pay the purse, at Florence or Eldora and give all the money the races makes, profit, to an Autism Charity.

LOL now come on Lotto !

Outside of that, dont see it happening, to big of a gamble.

[Zonks32x]

Love the idea.

Couple things I would suggest to the OP
1) Gotta back that purse down a bit. That's a ton of $$ to guarantee for a one day pop.
2) Cut the risk to all involved by
A) Run two complete shows
B) Make them 75 lap A-mains
C) Run Thur/Fri with Sat rain date or
Fri/Sat with Sun rain date

My $0.02 on the purse
1) $25k, 2) 20k, 3) 15k, 4) 12k, 5) 10k, 6) 8k, 7) 7k, 6) 6.5k, 7) 6k, 8) 5.5k, 9) 5.25k, 10) 5k, 11) 4.75k, 12) 4.5k, 13) 4.25k, 14) 4k, 15) 4k, 16) 4k, 17) 3.75k, 18) 3.75k, 19) 3.75k, 20) 3.5k, 21) 3.5k, 22) 3.5k, 23) 3.25k, 24) 3k

All cars that don't advance through B main, go to Consolation feature. (Max 16 cars per consolation) 20 laps
$3k to the winner, 2k to 2nd, $1000 thru 10th, $800 11th thru 16th

If you make the show both nights, going home with at least $6k. If you don't, going home with a min of $1600.

That's still a ton of $ to have to cover.
I would cap entries at 72 cars.
6 heats, 12 cars for 18 laps, top 3 to A-main
3 B-mains, 25 laps, top two advance
24 car A-main, 75 laps
Three 16 car consolation features, 20 laps

[Mud Packer]

I couldn't imagine Greg Shobe or Danny Kelly at Waynesfield or Brad McCown at Atomic even attempting anything like this. Oakshade draws well now so why would they even consider doing it?

[Illtsate32]

.........no

[ride height]

Like every other sport....if you want that kind of payout, it’s not going to come from the wallets of the attendees....you need TV money. If SLM got a couple Fortune 500 sponsors on board it would be no problem. Expecting peeps to shell out $50-60 a ticket? And sell umpteen thousand of them? You’re smoking some good $hit is all I’ll say. I’d love to see major league late model league if you will. Network TV...full grandstands...hype out the ying yang... drivers houshold names like napcar used to be...but I doubt it ever happens.

[kazual]

Unrealistic at best. Strikes me lots fans are trying to think of ideas or concepts to help the current state of affairs. But why is it contingent on fans and promoters to come up with the next great thing? What about the elite late model teams, aren’t they interested in attracting new blood into the national series? My bet is no. The top 15 to 20 well funded teams could care less. In fact they prefer to not have any more members into their little club. They operate without much thought to how purse winnings affect their yearly budget, they are funded adequately regardless. Wins are more about the recognition to them than a way to fund their operation. They like not sharing the limelight and don’t take time to think much about the future of the sport.

[jog49]

Some of you think everybody and their brother will come to a race with such a purse. Tain't so!

[play4kps]

the last 2 post say it all!