Mass Protest!

[hardracer32]

I've got it! I have the solution to all this controversy over the cost of DLM racing and the rules dilema! Everybody that has been on this forum posting and complaining about the cost and the lack of effort from all the series and tracks, we all need to send out an email to every series and track that we follow. That's it. Just send an email voicing your concerns. Tell your friends to do the same. Tell every driver you know to do it too. It's kinda like when somebody posts a bad review on Facebook about a big corporation and the big company backs down because everybody is complaining.

I seriously think if Lucas and WoO get flooded with emails and Facebook posts, they might actually start making some changes.

I'm sure that if there are this many people just on 4m that are fed up and concerned, that there has to be a ton of other fans and drivers that feel the same. Let's all just start pushing until the powers that be listen and do something.

That's the only way it's going to change. We have to start a grass roots movement.

[Jim11h]

Must be a millennial cause that's all they want to do is protest and think the world is all sunshine & rainbows

[Cardirt0]

Will If you all watching whats going on lets ask Q

[huskerdirt]

I've got it! I have the solution to all this controversy over the cost of DLM racing and the rules dilema! Everybody that has been on this forum posting and complaining about the cost and the lack of effort from all the series and tracks, we all need to send out an email to every series and track that we follow. That's it. Just send an email voicing your concerns. Tell your friends to do the same. Tell every driver you know to do it too. It's kinda like when somebody posts a bad review on Facebook about a big corporation and the big company backs down because everybody is complaining.

I seriously think if Lucas and WoO get flooded with emails and Facebook posts, they might actually start making some changes.

I'm sure that if there are this many people just on 4m that are fed up and concerned, that there has to be a ton of other fans and drivers that feel the same. Let's all just start pushing until the powers that be listen and do something.

That's the only way it's going to change. We have to start a grass roots movement.

Lol.

Yeah because uneducated fans know what’s best for racing.

[MI Dirt Fan]

If the stands are full why change it?

[Tireguy17]

Enough of these fixing costs of racing threads. Lets leave this stuff up to the people that truely know what it's all about...The racers, car owners and sanctioning bodies.

[Jim11h]

As former car owner/driver in way lesser division of limited late, there's no denying something has to be done somewhere! I at one time was gonna put super together and that was back when ohlins were just out and the hot thing. I realized then costs were spiraling 15+yrs ago. Started having sb2.2 built but that wouldn't hang with the big stuff out there now. A simple cheap 18deg motor might get you some good finishes on right nights but you can't compete at bigger races with them where money can be made by the little guy. Eldora changed qualify format so absolutely NO chance of little guy making show on provisional even now. Sure I've seen 602 crate compete for top 5 against ALMS at Fremont Speedway and top 10s at Oakshade & Attica but are you breaking even on 10th place finish? 45k dollar car & 45k roller new to race for 200-500 start money at local tracks doesn't make sense

[TS FAN]

People with nothing invested always know more than the people running things. BTW, i thought at first this thread was about the Catholic Church/smile

[fuzzyracing]

You guys better lay off or you will hurt his feelings! O Crap, I said his...... Probably in trouble for that!

[Josh Bayko]

Spamming e-mails and/or social media posts wouldn’t do a thing. Nothing will change until the bottom line is affected.

[WisWildManFan]

The more supers cost the fewer there will be and that is a plus for the big tours... They will pack the stands more often when they come around your way.

[Cardirt0]

The more supers cost the fewer there will be and that is a plus for the big tours... They will pack the stands more often when they come around your way.

Then tracks will close and it will all go a way

[Jim11h]

Not necessarily, look at tracks outlaws run and they don't have sprints or least 410. It's possible to survive without supers or 410 sprints as headliner but you'd have to be smart and profit margin could be huge cause of lower purse or small cause can't market to local fans right or product sucks

[hardracer32]

For the guys with all the smart a** comments about uneducated fans, (TsFan, Huskerdirt, Jim11H) I raced for 15 years. 5 in Modified Hobby and 10 in Super and Limited Late Model. SPEC engines were what allowed me to make that jump in the first place, and hard tires were what enabled me to take Limited Late Engine and run against open competition engines. But, that was before the mess we have now. Also spent a year as a flagman at Tri-County Racetrack and a year as the Race Director at Sugar Creek. I've got more than enough inside info to have an informed and intelligent opinion so take your skepticism and shove it! At least I love the sport enough to want to do something to help it.
I'm trying to have an honest discussion and all you can do is make insults? You're the ones that sound more like millennials.

[MI Dirt Fan]

Enough of these fixing costs of racing threads.

Post of the year!!!

[Jim11h]

Listen Skippy, was just having little fun with the millennial comment but rest assured I've said is honest conversation! Think the rest were having laugh at way our society is today as well. Least the normal stupid stuff ain't on here.

[Clayton_Wetter]

I've got it! I have the solution to all this controversy over the cost of DLM racing and the rules dilema! Everybody that has been on this forum posting and complaining about the cost and the lack of effort from all the series and tracks, we all need to send out an email to every series and track that we follow. That's it. Just send an email voicing your concerns. Tell your friends to do the same. Tell every driver you know to do it too. It's kinda like when somebody posts a bad review on Facebook about a big corporation and the big company backs down because everybody is complaining.

I seriously think if Lucas and WoO get flooded with emails and Facebook posts, they might actually start making some changes.

I'm sure that if there are this many people just on 4m that are fed up and concerned, that there has to be a ton of other fans and drivers that feel the same. Let's all just start pushing until the powers that be listen and do something.

That's the only way it's going to change. We have to start a grass roots movement.

You're dreaming, and after all this time?

No one racing forum has enough people who can or will do what you suggest. This subject has already been run in the ground to the point of repeating the same old crap way too much.

The only thing a race fan can do is go along with the way things are or quit going. And promoters are not going to relate that to the problem.

I've tried to stir up changes in racing track conditions and prep for many years and don't know if it really made any difference. Some tracks i know are totally unaffected obviously just as long as they make a profit. So I believe the same goes about the costs and rules. Promoters are not going to do anything as long as the profits continue.

In facts many tracks are beginning to add more specials and adding sprint cars specials to make several big profit events, and then just rely on running many classes on regular nights to collect a large amount of pit entry fees to insure the purses and if they get a decent crowd they still make a little profit on regular nights.

The blather on here is not going to do anymore than let people pretend that they are accomplishing something!!

[Clayton_Wetter]

Post of the year!!!

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[RaceEngineer]

People with nothing invested always know more than the people running things. BTW, i thought at first this thread was about the Catholic Church/smileHuck has a lot more invested than a guy collecting a check from Forrest Lucas.

[MI Dirt Fan]

People that are so worried about it on here should get off of here and go do something about it. And not in the "protesting" form.

[Jim11h]

I did, walked away from racing for 13yrs only attending couple shows year in stands! Bought a camper, a boat, went fishing, and helped wife raise our kids...... In fact you reminded me, I'm probably about to do the same again. P.S. I always tried to bring new friends and occasional once a few yrs fan everytime went. Thanks for reminder MI dirt fan.......
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Dumb advice like his is why Michigan sucks at racing & football. Their fastest come to Ohio to race real tracks unlike the sandy black no grip poured oil on surfaces up there

[MI Dirt Fan]

What do the rules and out of control costs have to do with how tracks are prepped? And what track pours oil onto their surface? I'm not sure who you refer to as "the fastest" . Do they do this weekly? Thanks for the personal attack just because I'm from MI. Do you do the same thing for people from Indiana?

[ZERO25]

What do the rules and out of control costs have to do with how tracks are prepped? And what track pours oil onto their surface? I'm not sure who you refer to as "the fastest" . Do they do this weekly? Thanks for the personal attack just because I'm from MI. Do you do the same thing for people from Indiana?

That was popular at several of my local tracks back in the 80's. They called it Bunker C oil because it came out of the bottom of the ships containment. They gave it to the tracks because it was unsellable.

[MI Dirt Fan]

That was popular at several of my local tracks back in the 80's. They called it Bunker C oil because it came out of the bottom of the ships containment. They gave it to the tracks because it was unsellable.

He makes it out as if they currently do.

[Krooser]

I wonder if Tom Deery will take my call... I used to be on his Rolodex...

[TS FAN]

Butler Speedway used to oil their track back in the eighties. I have not been there since back then though.

[Jim11h]

Yep Butler, beautiful place such (not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)ty surface! Last time there was 15yrs ago or so for WoO LM race think it was, mighta been stacker series lol. I was having a little fun on the football but yes their fastest drivers come to Ohio to race better competition sprints, lates, and some mods. Mid pack 410 here is feature winner up there, Dona, schlenk, ruhlman, Jeep, Spangler, olger, etc

[Tireguy17]

Read the 3rd paragraph with Sheppard’s quote and see how aero is affecting how they race. Reminds me of NASCAR.

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