Devin Moran 2020

[cprince07]

Has anyone heard any news /rumors on Devin, if he will be back with DBM in 2020? Kemp sold the dealership recently,hope he keeps the race team going.

[Mams]

Heard he’s going back to the #9 next year & switching to Longhorn. May just be another rumor.

[smoothoperator32]

Heard he was going to Hendrick Motorsports to replace Jimmy Johnson in 2020. Might be just a rumor

[dirty-white-boy]

Heard he was going to Bloomquist/Sommers Motorsports to replace Chris Madden in 2020. Might be just a rumor

[highgroove]

He's taking over the # 16 ride of mike hammerle next year..

[Mams]

He's taking over the # 16 ride of mike hammerle next year..

Thought Jim Moon was moving back to IL to take that ride.

[Dlmfan123]

Devin and Dunn benson parting ways, just posted on dod

[dirtMAN007]

I heard he was running for president as an independent!

[JimBo]

Devin and Dunn benson parting ways, just posted on dod

Well i guess that answers that question.

[Hoosier_Dirt]

I think Dunn Benson will sell out

[Mams]

The car Carrier drove at Mansfield is for sale.

[Mason87]

They have a lot of stuff for sale, they just posted a few hours ago other things for sale and saying they are clearing out getting ready for 2020 which they pretty much do every year. Rumors are they were selling out but I asked someone that should know and has never told me wrong they they are most definitely not selling out.

[Hoosier_Dirt]

That's a good thing if they are not selling out. Maybe Josh Richards to that ride?

[zyoung25]

Is Richards looking for a ride?

[Dlmfan123]

Is Richards looking for a ride?I don’t think so

[fryefan]

Dirt-on-Dirt posted an article regarding this topic less than an hour ago.

[Tireguy17]

I said it over the winter that this team has been plagued with what seems like too many mechanical failures the last 3-4 years. A team is only as good as the crew working on it. I’d be starting fresh with more than just the driver for 2020.

[Illtsate32]

Just gna sip my tea and wait for the hypocrites excuses to come rolling in lol, .and yes I heard Richards also...

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

Have they had a lot of broken stuff this year? I hadn't noticed.

[Illtsate32]

Broke rf shock at the n/s, exact same failure they had the year before there...

[zyoung25]

They broke the one front shock, a couple rear ends, and some rear end suspension parts. They had a car get bent at the million when he got caught up in a wreck that wasn't his doing. They haven't had a engine failure all year FWIW. I'd say a lot of teams out there wished they could make it through season with that list of broken parts.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

Broke rf shock at the n/s, exact same failure they had the year before there...

I know I haven't seen near as much blue smoke.

[Illtsate32]

I know I haven't seen near as much blue smoke.

Or checkered flags...

[Josh Bayko]

Broke rf shock at the n/s, exact same failure they had the year before there...

If you knew half as much as you think you do, you’d still be riding the short bus.

[zyoung25]

Or checkered flags...

And you wonder why you catch so much flack on here. You got the common sense of a fence post for one, but want to get all defensive when someome talks down on your hero. You create 95% of your own wars with posts like this. I dont think MB was implying anything other they haven't had any engine failures.

[Illtsate32]

Well its the truth about the flags sn't it? Why does the truth bother you guys so much? Post 22 confirms exactly what he was implying so ur last sentence is bs...Sigh here they come like I said...

[t4g2]

I'd take consistentcy over checkers or wreckers any day of the week. an I heard Davenport is going to db

[Zonks32x]

Devin is currently 6th in Lucas points.
Bobby finished 7th in '18.

So...in summary, no Lucas wins for Moran, slightly better points year thus far, and less drama.

I'd call it a draw for DB. 7th or 6th...who cares? No closer to a championship.

[slmcrewchief99]

I would be willing to bet that even the wins from 2018 still didn't cover the cost of the engines that went up in smoke. In saying that, I would say this year was more profitable because the driver doesn't abuse the equipment.

[Zonks32x]

So let's get to the real story.
What driver, not named Pierce or Moran, will hop in this ride in 2020 and finish somewhere between 4th and 8th in Lucas points?

[Barbecueboy]

Did somebody named cleopatra just ask" why does the truth bother you guys"?????
Dude runs from the truth like cat with his tail on fire.

Like the song says......a mf riot.

[Illtsate32]

I think the thrill of victory is preferred over saving equipment, the point of racing is to win last time I checked, pretty sure DB is in the sport of auto racing to WIN, not save money...

[Barbecueboy]

Devin is currently 6th in Lucas points.
Bobby finished 7th in '18.

So...in summary, no Lucas wins for Moran, slightly better points year thus far, and less drama.

I'd call it a draw for DB. 7th or 6th...who cares? No closer to a championship.

This year will end with mutual respect still had for both parties........last year, meh?

[zyoung25]

I would be willing to bet that even the wins from 2018 still didn't cover the cost of the engines that went up in smoke. In saying that, I would say this year was more profitable because the driver doesn't abuse the equipment.

Alan, don't bring that smoke in here. It makes too much sense.

Bobby had more wins, that's it. I wouldn't say he had a better year. It seems about equal to me.

[Barbecueboy]

I would be willing to bet that even the wins from 2018 still didn't cover the cost of the engines that went up in smoke. In saying that, I would say this year was more profitable because the driver doesn't abuse the equipment.

Or the sponsor relationships.

[Barbecueboy]

Since Cleo brought up the comparisons.....what have been the head to head results between Bobby and Devin in races they were both in this year?

Anybody been watching that?

[Zonks32x]

Since Cleo brought up the comparisons.....what have been the head to head results between Bobby and Devin in races they were both in this year?

Anybody been watching that?

Well at Knoxville...
Night 1, Devin was 8th and Bobby 9th
Night 2, neither made the feature.
Night 3, 100 lapper, Devin finish 4th and Bobby 22nd.

PDC
Bobby 3rd, Devin 22nd (in the #9)

I only looked at two races, but I think it's been a horse a piece through the season.

[Barbecueboy]

Well at Knoxville...
Night 1, Devin was 8th and Bobby 9th
Night 2, neither made the feature.
Night 3, 100 lapper, Devin finish 4th and Bobby 22nd.

PDC
Bobby 3rd, Devin 22nd (in the #9)

I only looked at two races, but I think it's been a horse a piece through the season.
I expect it to be very lopsided since the very recent implication again is that one is so much better than the other....I'm sure the numbers will show that:)

[slmcrewchief99]

Alan, don't bring that smoke in here. It makes too much sense.

Bobby had more wins, that's it. I wouldn't say he had a better year. It seems about equal to me.

I hear ya Zac. A certain someone can't see the forest because of the trees. Wins are great. That is why we all do it. Problem is that no matter how good you are or how good you THINK you are, the outcome had to be profitable. If ya blowin motors and tearin up chit, you aint doing anything but costing you car owner money.

[dirtSLMracing]

I think folks are jumping the gun talking about who will be in the DB car in 2020. I don't think they are going to race anymore.

[TackyTracker]

RIP

Carlton

[dirtybird73]

Since Cleo brought up the comparisons.....what have been the head to head results between Bobby and Devin in races they were both in this year?

Anybody been watching that?


Date - Track - Moran - Pierce

3/16 - Brownstown - 2 - 25
3/22 - Duck River - 9 - 21
5/10 - Farmer City - 4 - 10 in B-Main
5/16 - 34 Raceway - 10 - 17
5/30 - Magnolia - 9 - 12
5/31 - Magnolia - 3 - 12
6/1 - Magnolia - 8 - 9
6/6 - Eldora - 4 in B-Main- 20
6/7 - Eldora - 19 - 3 in B-Main
6/8 - Eldora - 5 in B-Main- 21
7/18 - I-80 - 3 - 5 in B-Main
7/19-20 - I-80 - 9 - 1
7/26 - FALS - 2 - 1
7/27 - FALS - 22 - 3
8/8 - Florence - 19 - 20
8/9-10 - Florence - 4 - 22
8/22 - Mansfield - 11 - 3
8/23 - Mansfield - 11 - 19
8/24 - Mansfield - 28 - 24
9/12 - Knoxville - 8 - 9
9/13 - Knoxville -4 in B-Main- 8 in B-Main
9/14 - Knoxville - 4 - 22
9/20 - Kokomo - 8 - 10
9/21 - Brownstown - 2 - 20

[NormP]

Well dirty bird it’s obvious you hate Pierce because you posted stats that don’t paint him in the best light. Iltsate32 will be along shortly to chastise you and remind us all what a superior intellect he is.

[Barbecueboy]

Wow......that's pretty enlightening.....thanks Bird.

I've kind of been watching because I knew this conversation would come at the end of this year , but I never actually took the time to research it exactly like you did.

Both good drivers, one just outran the other more times than not this year......ain't no denying that, but I'm sure someone will try.

" that must be the tea" Cleo was talkin bout...........from Caddyshak scene, lmao.

[dirty-white-boy]

I wonder where Danny Myers will mooch off of next....

[Mason87]

He's still with dunn benson

[TeNfOMaFiA69]

It amazes me how Jealous and spiteful the Pierce nut huggers are when Devin Moran is mentioned... smh

[Hoosier_Dirt]

Might be a good spot for Mike Norris

[Barbecueboy]

It amazes me how Jealous and spiteful the Pierce nut huggers are when Devin Moran is mentioned... smh

Sad part about it is the handful of huggers give all the other legit normal (non sociopathic)Pierce fans a bad rap......and they wonder why?

[chupp n bloomer fan]

I think the thrill of victory is preferred over saving equipment, the point of racing is to win last time I checked, pretty sure DB is in the sport of auto racing to WIN, not save money...Lol. When you tear up as much sh!t as your boy does, the thrill of the wins doesn’t cover up the monotony of fixing torn up sh!t.

Last time I checked, when it’s evident you ain’t got a snowballs chance in he!! of winning, you better just get what you can. Instead of tearing it up and finishing 15th.

Them stats she just posted makes it pretty much a wash. I’m sure you’ll see it differently lol.

[dirtcrazy4u]

WOW. Oh ills tate were are you. Spell check can't get his name right. Bird, that's impressive because in all honesty I would have thought pierce would have come out on top. But that's why Devin is so good. He flies under the radar and gets in the seat and shows results. Results Illstate, get it.

[t3r3e3]

So let's get to the real story.
What driver, not named Pierce or Moran, will hop in this ride in 2020 and finish somewhere between 4th and 8th in Lucas points?

Overton?
EPJ back again?
A ringer like Tanner English?

[Dlmfan123]

Overton?EPJ back again?A ringer like Tanner English?Pretty sure overton is staying with the coulters

[dalemcfan]

If Dunn Benson has a car next year then Chris Ferguson or Ross Bailes make the most sense logistically

[cprince07]

Yep, if they race next year a driver based more local to the team would make more sense. A lot of great drivers in the southeast.

[Dlmfan123]

Yep, if they race next year a driver based more local to the team would make more sense. A lot of great drivers in the southeast.It’s no secret that fergy wasn’t happy with rockets...

[t4g2]

if they race I bet they cut to regional schedule. No tour. only thing that worries me with pierce is dad is retiring less than 3 years. no clue what bobby knows as majority of the time I rarely see bobby working on the car. and he has til end of year to pay dad off for the trailer.

[dalemcfan]

Was Fergy not happy with Rocket because of performance or safety? I was thinking it was a Longhorn he was driving that the halo bent down on when he had the bad wreck

[bleedblue55]

Was Fergy not happy with Rocket because of performance or safety? I was thinking it was a Longhorn he was driving that the halo bent down on when he had the bad wreck
He hasn't exactly set the world on fire in any of the 3 different chassis he's had lately.

[Dlmfan123]

Was Fergy not happy with Rocket because of performance or safety? I was thinking it was a Longhorn he was driving that the halo bent down on when he had the bad wreckPerformance

[dirtSLMracing]

I am fairly sure DB will not race next year.

[spiderma4]

speaking of stats moran 1 late model win $3000, pierce 17 wins $134,555 plus 10, 000 bonus for winning 3 in az. I don't really think that's a wash! So has $144.000 in 17 races moran in 48 races on lucas is at $123,365. Don't kid your self winning still matters

[HoosierDirtFan]

speaking of stats moran 1 late model win $3000, pierce 17 wins $134,555 plus 10, 000 bonus for winning 3 in az. I don't really think that's a wash! So has $144.000 in 17 races moran in 48 races on lucas is at $123,365. Don't kid your self winning still matters

Now knock some money off that stat for broken parts and damages incurred during each race.

[spiderma4]

I really don't think there is as much broken parts when winning, that would be more in the dnf department.

[Mason87]

He has almost as many dnfs as wins

[spiderma4]

I am pretty sure moran has more dnfs than wins.

[Mason87]

I'm sure he does, when you have double digit wins and almost as many dnfs it shows me your hard on equipment.

[Barbecueboy]

I'm sure he does, when you have double digit wins and almost as many dnfs it shows me your hard on equipment.

That's what it tells everyone.......that aren't in the fn tshirt of the fn month club.

And they wonder why.

[Barbecueboy]

speaking of stats moran 1 late model win $3000, pierce 17 wins $134,555 plus 10, 000 bonus for winning 3 in az. I don't really think that's a wash! So has $144.000 in 17 races moran in 48 races on lucas is at $123,365. Don't kid your self winning still matters

Where you win and against whom also still matters.......

[t4g2]

pierce 71 races so far 18 dnfs 1 dns so more dnfs then wins and 80% of his wins are 5k or less. I know 2 blown motors with that and 2 rearends. devin 69 races 4 dnfs

[waaac77]

So much bickering on here. Are there only women on this board?

Since when does a top 5 finish give you credibility? Or even a second place for that matter! I guess that's what the world has come to these days. The thing that is great about Pierce is when you go to a race and watch him you see a guy that will do anything to win including beating the crap out of his own equipment. Could a racing fan want anything more from a driver?

I like Devan Moran a lot and he is very very very talentted but he hasn't won sh!t. Get back to me when he wins a big race.

Say what you want but it's pretty much fact that Pierce is better than Moran right now. Just be patient though, Moran has time to collect the big checks sand they will come.

[mcarter815]

After wrenching on and driving race cars, I don't enjoy watching someone tearing up their equipment when they don't need to.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

So much bickering on here. Are there only women on this board?

Since when does a top 5 finish give you credibility? Or even a second place for that matter! I guess that's what the world has come to these days. The thing that is great about Pierce is when you go to a race and watch him you see a guy that will do anything to win including beating the crap out of his own equipment. Could a racing fan want anything more from a driver?

I like Devan Moran a lot and he is very very very talentted but he hasn't won sh!t. Get back to me when he wins a big race.

Say what you want but it's pretty much fact that Pierce is better than Moran right now. Just be patient though, Moran has time to collect the big checks sand they will come.

I can tell you which one I would want behind the wheel of my car. It's not the one that is the best entertainment.

[Mason87]

100% mcarter I've worked on cars and the reason I got out was having to work on the car all week to get it ready for the next race. I was just burned out and seeing the driver tear it up almost weekly got old and we won our fair share but man it sucks. That's what the average fan doesn't see yea it's fun seeing a guy like pierce got to the front go or blow but what they dont see is the crew guys working on it all week to get it ready again just to get tore up. I'm sure most of these guys aren't full time crewman also so they gotta balance home life and work with it and it sure would be nice to have someone take care of the equipment.

[waaac77]

Yeah. I'm sure it is a lot of work to fix the car each week. I don't know how Bobby and his dad find the time around their regular jobs

[MRM]

Sounds like a championship winning driver will be the new pilot next season.

[Zonks32x]

I like Devan Moran a lot and he is very very very talentted but he hasn't won sh!t. Get back to me when he wins a big race.


July 28th, 2018
Devin Moran won the 29th annual Prairie Dirt Classic in Fairbury, IL.

[Mason87]

Sorry waaac I didn't realize it was just Bobby and his dad working on the cars.

[waaac77]

Yep, just Bob and Bobby, that's it. No one else helps them at all.

So if we're looking at 2018 why not look even further back through their whole career...
Moran = 1 PDC Victory
Pierce = World, Silver Dollar, North/South at least, I'm sure I am missing one or two

[Bloomerdirtking]

http://www.devinmoranracing.com/bio.html

[waaac77]

For the record I'm not a Pierce lover or hater and not a Moran lover or hater.

Just the facts mam, just the facts

[dalemcfan]

Sounds like a championship winning driver will be the new pilot next season.

Assuming you mean national champion, one would think it will be Jimmy Owens, Don Oneal, or Earl Pearson or maybe Eckert

[Mams]

Assuming you mean national champion, one would think it will be Jimmy Owens, Don Oneal, or Earl Pearson or maybe Eckert

Rusty Schlenk?

[ImCryn2]

3 drivers in 3 years and people on this forum want to compare 2 of the drivers. Shouldn't the conversation be about what is going on with the team? What once was a top team in Lucas competition is now hit or miss and runs 5-8th in points. What does everyone think?

[cprince07]

I think they are still a good team, just missing a little something. And I think the last 2 drivers being young & so far from home was a small factor also.

[Mason87]

I'm sure a lot factors in it both Moran and pierce ran at tracks they've never been to. The team is still a good team in my opinion it just needs some stability swapping drivers every year isn't gonna work.

[spiderma4]

pierce 71 races so far 18 dnfs 1 dns so more dnfs then wins and 80% of his wins are 5k or less. I know 2 blown motors with that and 2 rearends. devin 69 races 4 dnfs

morans site doesn't say anything about dnfs so where did u get that stat? I seen 4 dns not any dnf he just list spot finish .

[bleedblue55]

Sounds like a championship winning driver will be the new pilot next season.

Josh getting that ride. Hear Bowyer Dirt a big ????? for next year. Go big if you're posting in the gossip section.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

3 drivers in 3 years and people on this forum want to compare 2 of the drivers. Shouldn't the conversation be about what is going on with the team? What once was a top team in Lucas competition is now hit or miss and runs 5-8th in points. What does everyone think?
Overmatched personnel making setup decision. If you have driver and equipment, that's all that is left.

[Zonks32x]

For the record I'm not a Pierce lover or hater and not a Moran lover or hater.

Just the facts mam, just the facts


Who accused you of hating or loving either driver??? You said Bobby has won more races, fact. You said Devin will get more wins down the road...which you, I, and many others likely agree with.

You asked, what has Devin won. I answered the question.

[Barbecueboy]

I think they are still a good team, just missing a little something. And I think the last 2 drivers being young & so far from home was a small factor also.

Huge factor cprince07........unhitch from home , family and friends and go to a new state and live with and amongst strangers.....that's got to be tough on youngsters that are both rooted very deeply in family.

I have my own opinion on why it didn't work out with both drivers and the reasons are both very different....but that's for another thread.

What's not for another thread is to point out how joyful, happy , gay,giddy and relieved Cleo is because Devin didn't do much better overall than Bobby did in the ride.....like he was hoping for failure all along......pa THETIC.

and they wonder why?

[Barbecueboy]

Who accused you of hating or loving either driver??? You said Bobby has won more races, fact. You said Devin will get more wins down the road...which you, I, and many others likely agree with.

You asked, what has Devin won. I answered the question.


Did somebody say FACT?

Zonk riding in to save the day with them again.......nice touch.

[Barbecueboy]

Overmatched personnel making setup decision. If you have driver and equipment, that's all that is left.

Think you aren't giving chemistry....attitude.....respect...work ethic...a little luck and experience enough credit.

A great set up is awesome, but as you know it's not one size fits all and if any of those things above aren't involved it's almost impossible to find that setup combination that works for the guy in the seat consistently.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

Think you aren't giving chemistry....attitude.....respect...work ethic...a little luck and experience enough credit.

A great set up is awesome, but as you know it's not one size fits all and if any of those things above aren't involved it's almost impossible to find that setup combination that works for the guy in the seat consistently.

I'm not big on that soft stuff. Sure, it matters, but fast race cars win races. Winning cures all ills. The divorce of 49 and 22 was kinda ugly, but they won together.

[Barbecueboy]

True enough.....but I'm of the opinion that a great team of we beats a great team of "me" more times than not.

Ones just not as flashy.

[spiderma4]

Overmatched personnel making setup decision. If you have driver and equipment, that's all that is left.
bingo 100 percent agree

[chupp n bloomer fan]

So much bickering on here. Are there only women on this board?

Since when does a top 5 finish give you credibility? Or even a second place for that matter! I guess that's what the world has come to these days. The thing that is great about Pierce is when you go to a race and watch him you see a guy that will do anything to win including beating the crap out of his own equipment. Could a racing fan want anything more from a driver?

I like Devan Moran a lot and he is very very very talentted but he hasn't won sh!t. Get back to me when he wins a big race.

Say what you want but it's pretty much fact that Pierce is better than Moran right now. Just be patient though, Moran has time to collect the big checks sand they will come.Because the second you mention Devin, it’s stink on sh!t from the you know who group. No he ain’t had the performance. Personally, I figured Pierce’s stats would blow him outta the water. Pretty comparable, their time in the DB car and head to head. But not sure why it even matters. Devin really learned to race from his Dad, and Bobby, still just a hard charger no matter what.

[chupp n bloomer fan]

speaking of stats moran 1 late model win $3000, pierce 17 wins $134,555 plus 10, 000 bonus for winning 3 in az. I don't really think that's a wash! So has $144.000 in 17 races moran in 48 races on lucas is at $123,365. Don't kid your self winning still mattersOne followed the Lucas tour, the other stayed close to home except for AZ. Just skip them stats?

It shouldn’t be an argument, but obviously you all look at it from a fan boys standpoint. They are both good young drivers and it’s a stupid argument y’all always wanna get into.

[JK4745]

Devin is a very good young talent. That being said Bobby is way more accomplished and has been more successful. They will forever be compared to one another since they are both sons of hall of fame drivers and the same age. All of you are letting your hate for Bobby cloud the facts that he and Sheppard are definitely the most accomplished and most talented of the young crop of up and comers(Moran, O'Neal, Carpenter, English, Norris and so on). I know the haters will say he can only run the top or he tears up too much equipment. The plusses outweigh the minuses, he gets everything out of the car that it has to offer and that's all you can ask of the driver. If you want someone to not give it his all no matter track conditions or when the setup is a little off then Bobby is not your guy. I for one love it when you know as the owner the driver did all he could to get the car to the front. You all seem to praise Hewitt and he and Pierce are very similar in the win it or wear it style.

[Barbecueboy]

Pierce is rarely the problem in any of the arguments .....his driving style and numbers speak for themselves.

Everyone knows that " club bobble head" drives those outrageous fan bus conversations as if they were driving the race team hauler and doing the car set ups themselves.

And they wonder why?

[waaac77]

Who accused you of hating or loving either driver??? You said Bobby has won more races, fact. You said Devin will get more wins down the road...which you, I, and many others likely agree with.

You asked, what has Devin won. I answered the question.

Was simply pointing that out to prevent people from bashing me for my opinion and thinking it's biased. I've read a message or two on this board.

The question was also rhetorical. Meaning he hadn't won sh!t. I was wrong though, forgot about the PDC win

[Barbecueboy]

Nope , just ignored them because it wouldn't make his argument work.

Your post is another good one c and b......both good drivers and both appear to be good young men.

[ImCryn2]

Pierce is rarely the problem in any of the arguments .....his driving style and numbers speak for themselves.

Everyone knows that " club bobble head" drives those outrageous fan bus conversations as if they were driving the race team hauler and doing the car set ups themselves.

And they wonder why?

I don't think there's many sensible people on this forum that disagree with your assessment of those couple posters, but I'm not sure I would consider 1 or 2 people a 'club'.
When I saw this thread I knew Pierces name would come up and the age old 4m style run down would commence on Pierce, like it always does.
Like I posted earlier, I would rather see a conversation about what everyone feels the problem is with Dunn-Benson 2.0. They have been struggling (in comparison to prior years) since they got back into racing. Pearson didn't have near the results, Pierce showed signs of speed, but nowhere near consistent. Moran has not ran as good as he did last year(although not horrible), Carrier Jr had no luck in his start for them. All these guys are very capable of winning races and did before joining the team. Is there a common denominator? Or is it simply the fact that these races are harder to win than they were back in the D-B glory days?

[Barbecueboy]

Without a doubt the races are much harder to win .....the talent level and equipment equity has entrenched itself throughout the field compared to those days.

I think DB 2.0 is just struggling to find that chemistry it takes to put that show on the road and win consistently ......those early days with Earl wasn't just Earl, it was a team that knew what each other was doing before they were even doing it, they worked very well together.....and EPJ driving the shoot out of it didn't hurt.

Wouldn't hurt my feelings to see them move to BD chassis, being Earl back one last time for a good run and let er eat......don't see that happening and I'm hearing the same things everyone else is hearing but it would be cool to see.

[tb1545]

Trying to compare Pierce vs Moran is apples and oranges IMO. Pierce not chasing a points payout vs Moran running lucas points, say both drivers are running 16th with 20 to go and both drivers missed their setup that race. Moran stays on the track to get as many points as possible but actually puts more laps and wear and tear on a car and engine, but is more conservative and takes what he can get out of the car because of points. Pierce pulls off for a DNF to save equipment and knowing payout from 10th-24th is pretty much the same but since points arent on his mind, its rightfully a checkers or wreckers menality. There is a lot of what ifs that makes it a bad comparison in my mind.

The biggest issue in my mind is Dunn Benson not having either driver for more than 1 season. Expecting to have success against the 49, 20, 14, 5, 1 , 0, etc. cars that have notebooks on many of these tracks for at least 5+ years in your very first season as a team with your current driver is pretty impractical.

I believe both Pierce and Moran will have more and more success over the next 5 years as they get more and more polished especially if they find stable rides to grow as a team that takes at least 2 years together.

[427c.i.]

Trying to compare Pierce vs Moran is apples and oranges IMO. Pierce not chasing a points payout vs Moran running lucas points, say both drivers are running 16th with 20 to go and both drivers missed their setup that race. Moran stays on the track to get as many points as possible but actually puts more laps and wear and tear on a car and engine, but is more conservative and takes what he can get out of the car because of points. Pierce pulls off for a DNF to save equipment and knowing payout from 10th-24th is pretty much the same but since points arent on his mind, its rightfully a checkers or wreckers menality. There is a lot of what ifs that makes it a bad comparison in my mind.

The biggest issue in my mind is Dunn Benson not having either driver for more than 1 season. Expecting to have success against the 49, 20, 14, 5, 1 , 0, etc. cars that have notebooks on many of these tracks for at least 5+ years in your very first season as a team with your current driver is pretty impractical.

I believe both Pierce and Moran will have more and more success over the next 5 years as they get more and more polished especially if they find stable rides to grow as a team that takes at least 2 years together.

By the time there's 20 laps left with a poor setup, Pierce has already knocked the deck out of it and smacked the rearend off the wall a few times. Has Pierce ever pulled off to save the car?

[MEE]

I'm no fan of either but----- LOOK who won last night at Tri-City....... and he ran on the bottom for first part of the race.

[dirty-white-boy]

Was Fergy not happy with Rocket because of performance or safety? I was thinking it was a Longhorn he was driving that the halo bent down on when he had the bad wreck

maybe its the driver? Just a thought.

[ThebigE]

Devin just signed with Chuck Hummer to drive the #25. Could be a rumor though.

[Zonks32x]

Devin just signed with Chuck Hummer to drive the #25. Could be a rumor though.

How can that be? I heard Jill George was jumping in that car.

[spiderma4]

my posts about winning went over some of the members heads! My point was winning pays the most! stay with me here I will go slow for bloomer fan boy and its not dunn bensons fault boy barbeque . The stats I wrote of was driver A had 17 wins worth about $144,000 and driver B had 48 races with no wins for about $123,000. Still with me u two? ok so your argument is driver A is to hard on equipment and driver B is not, driver A has $21,000 more in winnings than driver B with 31 less races ran! This is were u say holly (not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word) and I say I know! so we have to get driver A to 48 races so driver B has 48 races so lets divide 48 races into 123,000 for a average so that's $2562. Both drivers are national type drivers and really hope they do better than that but that's 31 X $2562 is $79,375 ok now we add that to $144,000 for 17 wins and get $223,437. Now driver A has $223,437 for 48 races and driver B has $123,000 for 48 races so that's a $100,000 more for driver A! We know driver A is hard on the gas takes some chances to get the wins but sometimes it doesn't work out and leads to some dnfs while driver B doesn't take as many chances and tears up stuff less but doesn't get the win total either. Each has 48 races and we will say the expense is the same tires and fuel, travel the basics stuff but driver A has ripped the clip off the front a couple more times $1500 to $2000 a time so about $4000 ok bolt on stuff a couple more grand. The rear end hit the wall hard three or four times more than driver B did so say new bell, tubes axle so go with $1000 a time , lets throw in a rear clip to say about $1500, we for sure have to say driver A ripped the deck and spoiler off it 20 more times than driver B did , $200 bucks a time so $4000 more, a couple motors got hurt more than driver B say $20,000 over and a above normal rebuilts so $40,000. If we add that up that's $54,500 extra driver A had than driver B did but driver A had 100,000 more in winnings so he is up still $45,500 now some of this is estimates so numbers might be different I think we all understand that, my point is that winning still covers so much more that u can tear up more stuff than a guy running 6th to 12th that u still can come out ok because the money for winning is so much more no matter if won "locally" or on a tour. Now if driver A doesn't win than we fire him and hire driver B!!

[t4g2]

Driver a is getting 1500 start $ for his dnfs verses driver b getting 5k per race for top 5 on average because 2ns third place pays decent. so driver a gets 25k plus damage. verses driver b is getting 85k an no damage based on 17 races.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

It's expensive to replace 8 engines a year. Really expensive. Even if you pawn the crap off on FB after stitching it back together.

[Barbecueboy]

Can I have some fresh crackpot pepper and some thousand excuse dressing with that word salad please????

[MEE]

Please tell us who the competition was at Tri-City compared to what Moran runs against week in & week out.


Like I said ,I'm no fan of either.
I just like racing in general.
I pull for the locals or the under dog.

Sorry to get you all upset ...

[ImCryn2]

It's expensive to replace 8 engines a year. Really expensive. Even if you pawn the crap off on FB after stitching it back together.

Not every engine that goes up in smoke is a total loss. Plus, when a team doesn't own the cars, there's more $ to spend on engine repairs. We don't know what happened to them, but these engine issues happened while Pro power was getting into roush yates ford stuff and I'm sure some of the problems were associated with that. McCreadie came alive later in the season after switching builders and Moyer Jr quit running them also, so there were obviously more issues with them than Pierce being hard on them. Yes, I agree Bobby is going to use every bit of equipment he has under him, but $50,000 engines should take anything you throw at 'em as long as it's not over revved and there's a chip for that.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

Not every engine that goes up in smoke is a total loss. Plus, when a team doesn't own the cars, there's more $ to spend on engine repairs. We don't know what happened to them, but these engine issues happened while Pro power was getting into roush yates ford stuff and I'm sure some of the problems were associated with that. McCreadie came alive later in the season after switching builders and Moyer Jr quit running them also, so there were obviously more issues with them than Pierce being hard on them. Yes, I agree Bobby is going to use every bit of equipment he has under him, but $50,000 engines should take anything you throw at 'em as long as it's not over revved and there's a chip for that.

I'm well aware they are not always a total loss. I am also aware it takes $10k to drop the pan and look around.

Plenty of folks are not afraid to bump that chip a bit too far. And too much heat, too much timing, and all the other issues that kill cheap engines kill the expensive ones just the same. A guy with junk turns it 7500. A guy with the best goes 9200.

[ImCryn2]

I'm well aware they are not always a total loss. I am also aware it takes $10k to drop the pan and look around.

Plenty of folks are not afraid to bump that chip a bit too far. And too much heat, too much timing, and all the other issues that kill cheap engines kill the expensive ones just the same. A guy with junk turns it 7500. A guy with the best goes 9200.

Those are all good ways to tear an engine up, but I don't think too many teams are messing with timing or running chips not approved by their engine builders. Usually the crank trigger is set at xx degrees and the distributor is set at xy degrees by the builder to give the driver options and that's it.
Now, running an engine hot, very possible as everyone does it. Remember the ad on DOD where Bloomer was bragging about running the last x amount of laps after the water pump fell off? I believe it was a Durham ad.
I don't disagree that Pierce runs the $hit out of his stuff, but I think with that Ford deal they were trying to run, it wasn't all on him.

[jog49]

I think Dunn-Benson Motorsports was much more about Carlton than Kemp. They got to travel around together as father and son which made for a stronger than usual relationship but the enthusiasm was always with Carlton. He likely sold cars and trucks because of his racing sponsorship over the years but I doubt there's much to that nowadays. It wouldn't surprise me to see DB fade into the sunset with the patriarch now deceased. Also, going from winning a lot to not winning much at all takes racing from a delight to a chore in short order.

[Moranfan99]

Heard Dustin Jarret say during the Pittsburgher last Night Devin going back to Twarog next year. Wonder if they will follow national series or just run local?

[UMPLM99s]

Hopefully they go back to the WoO Tour where they had success in 2018!