Hudson Oneal

[President Clinton]

Where will he end up now that he is without a ride?

[Josh Bayko]

I’m not sure he’ll end up anywhere. It’s not like rides are growing on trees.

[kidrock]

Where will he end up now that he is without a ride?

What happened with his ride he was in last year?

[Josh Bayko]

What happened with his ride he was in last year?

Burns is supposedly getting out of the sport.

[dalemcfan]

What happened with his ride he was in last year?

The team he has been driving for is no longer going to field a car. Last race for them is next weekend at Charlotte.

[kidrock]

Burns is supposedly getting out of the sport.


The team he has been driving for is no longer going to field a car. Last race for them is next weekend at Charlotte.

Ok thanks guys, I guess I missed that.

[JM15]

What happened with his ride he was in last year?Dunn-Benson?

[T3GJason47]

Huddy to Bowyer Richards to Dunn Benson

[bleedblue55]

Wonder if this is just the Lucas touring team? Austin Burns races all over the Midwest region in crates and lates. Believe it's Austin's Dad who owned the cars Hudson drove. I could be wrong about that.

[Hoosier_Dirt]

Isnt Dunn-Benson selling out? Rumor Bowyer to 1 car team, Don Oneal to MasterSbilt racing regional

[Jking24]

Don O'Neal to the mastersbilt house car partnered with beamen motorsports. You heard it here first they just signed a three week contract with a option for four!

[zyoung25]

Double L might welcome Hudson

[Mams]

Don O'Neal to the mastersbilt house car partnered with beamen motorsports. You heard it here first they just signed a three week contract with a option for four!

Have they announced which three weeks?

[smoothoperator32]

Maybe he can team up with Tyler erb

[Illtsate32]

Please Hoosierdirtfan the news of Huddy has been broke we don't need another thread lol...

[HoosierDirtFan]

Please Hoosierdirtfan the news of Huddy has been broke we don't need another thread lol...

I could care less.

[lugnut24]

Huddy too SBR you herd it here 1st

[SLIDING SIDEWAYS]

Alot of faults statements in this thread!

[dirtcrazy4u]

Hudson in a midget for 2020. You heard it.

[Bloomerdirtking]

Bridget the midget??

[fryefan]

The team he has been driving for is no longer going to field a car. Last race for them is next weekend at Charlotte.

While he has some skills, he does tear up a lot of equipment (his and others). They probably could not afford another year.

[Dlmfan123]

While he has some skills, he does tear up a lot of equipment (his and others). They probably could not afford another year.I doubt there out of money. Probably just tired of throwing away money for no reason

[hucktyson]

It’s safe to say this burns fella has spent several million dollars on racing. I don’t see anyway that he was losing less than 300k a year to find Hudson O’Neil. This is nothing against Hudson it’s just the reality of the sport .... 3 people are making money Keyser MFG , mark richards and Steve baker ... everyone else is getting by or losing their a$$. The economics need to change by reduce the cost to build a competitive car , but my opinion is irrelevant because I don’t race full time lol. I do run a successful business that I started from nothing in an extremely competitive field and I have been around racing for 35 years..... When you guys say nothing is wrong and everything is great you point to people like burns to prove it’s fine but when those guys quit you never say wait a minute maybe we should look at some things.

[hucktyson]

This whole deal of guys standing on the cars to pack down the left rear so it measures 39” and the second that car moves it jumps up to 43 is absurd. Watching that is an absolute clown show , it was acknowledged wedge cars killed racing and they have let them come back only this time with 8k shock packages and engine rebuilds costing more than the entire motor did in the wedge days ...

[Barbecueboy]

So you really believe Hoosier, Penske, Cornett, etc are barely getting by and rocket and keyser are the only guys making money??

Or did I read that wrong?

[hucktyson]

Ok I should rephrase. Dirt late models represent a tiny portion of Penske shock revenue. Hoosier has a monopoly on all things dirt racing on top of selling asphalt , drag , road course , atv , motocross etc etc etc no matter what the other rules are people still need tires. keyser most likely only gets a small portion of their revenue from racing also. Cornett only has a few guys working and a ton of legit competition, pro power , Durham, Clements , Vic Hill etc etc. Rocket is the one dominate company in this specific market that doesn’t have any real competitors. Guys with lots of money expect to win prolifically , and they aren’t stupid or the wouldn’t have the money to begin with , once they realize that the money can’t buy wins because everyone else is spending it too they lose interest and quit ....

[WisWildManFan]

honest question huck... do you think you could hop in a top touring car and be competitive with those guys at eldora. I respect you have made your money and are out there doing it... my question is do you have top notch equipment and are just missing setup from lack of racing often and full time? Could you hop in the 32 car with bob sr turning wrenches and be miles ahead of where you are now?

[TS FAN]

He will find a ride IMO

[Hoosier_Dirt]

There was just a story after ONeal won the Jackson 100 stating Burns asking O'Neal if he was gonna leave, and O'Neal stated "I'm not going anywhere". So my question, what changed in the last month and a half to make Burns close up shop?! And is it just the Lucas team? He also owns some crate stuff and Chad Stapletons car too, or Stapleton is associated with the team.

[hucktyson]

Wis man. Saying “ lack of racing often” doesn’t really paint the full picture. I didn’t even go to a race track to watch until the world in 2019. Do I think it’s possible to show up under powered with a 2016 Pierce to your first race of the year at the world and compete ?? Absolutely not , Do I think I have a chance with the new car ? Yes or I wouldn’t have bought it. My car as I took it to PRP with zero adjustments was capable of running 14.7 , the driver being unfamiliar with the track , unfamiliar with the car and overdriving the entry of all 4 corners in qualifying clearly was not. Hitting the entry correctly and seeing how this car was capable of turning and accelerating through a corner was eye opening to say the least. I predict much better results in 2020 ...

[kidrock]

He will find a ride IMO

He's to talented not to

[Kromulous]

Your seeing the micro economics of SLM racing now, smaller teams folding up, and deciding to run Regional, and dropping off the "Tours". In the not to distant future you will see the concentration of "Big" teams and various House cars on the Tours, and you will see on of the Tours fold all together, i would say WoO, but that's my opinion.

I think in 2018 was the peak of SLM racing, now you will see the Economics kick in, and people will be priced out in rapid fashion. Mike Marler was the big one in 2018, won the WoO Title and was out, continued racing but not on a Tour. Now Hudson, my question who is next? I bet before the season starts next year you will see at least 3 more Teams dropping out.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

Your seeing the micro economics of SLM racing now, smaller teams folding up, and deciding to run Regional, and dropping off the "Tours". In the not to distant future you will see the concentration of "Big" teams and various House cars on the Tours, and you will see on of the Tours fold all together, i would say WoO, but that's my opinion.

I think in 2018 was the peak of SLM racing, now you will see the Economics kick in, and people will be priced out in rapid fashion. Mike Marler was the big one in 2018, won the WoO Title and was out, continued racing but not on a Tour. Now Hudson, my question who is next? I bet before the season starts next year you will see at least 3 more Teams dropping out.

I thought it peaked 15 years ago, Krom?

[lazermod3]

Your seeing the micro economics of SLM racing now, smaller teams folding up, and deciding to run Regional, and dropping off the "Tours". In the not to distant future you will see the concentration of "Big" teams and various House cars on the Tours, and you will see on of the Tours fold all together, i would say WoO, but that's my opinion.

I think in 2018 was the peak of SLM racing, now you will see the Economics kick in, and people will be priced out in rapid fashion. Mike Marler was the big one in 2018, won the WoO Title and was out, continued racing but not on a Tour. Now Hudson, my question who is next? I bet before the season starts next year you will see at least 3 more Teams dropping out.

Trump,doesn't see it this way!

[hucktyson]

It doesn’t pay to run a tour. I don’t know how they get soo many guys to do it in the first place. The lucas title pays 70k ..... think about what a joke that is. Think about the time , effort , luck and MONEY that all have to come together to make a lucas title happen. And it’s not like if you win the title Microsoft or apple has a 7 figure annual sponsorship waiting for you. Running these tours requires the team owner to sustain losses of 2-400k a year. People will eventually get tired of spending that kind of time , effort and money with zero chance of making a profit. The lucas tour would have to pay 700k to the champion for it to be remotely worth it , but with how racers are they would spend double what they do now to try winning that lol

[Mantis]

And is it just the Lucas team? He also owns some crate stuff and Chad Stapletons car too, or Stapleton is associated with the team.

Yep....there is more to SSI than just Huddy.

Maybe this has something to do with the odd "raffle" Stapleton posted the other day......

https://www.facebook.com/chad.stapleton.54/posts/10157546746070429?__xts__

[Kromulous]

Peak as in total Teams on the Tours, 15 years ago was the peak for working guys running SLMs.

Trump, well good luck to him. We will need it. If you look at the pricing of various things, you can see the Economics are not good, median Housing costs, median vehicle costs. Incomes are stagnant with 50% of Country making 33k or less, its not going to be fun. Once various Banks start collapsing, look into the REPO markets, and quantitative easing /tightening, scary stuff, 80 Billion bail outs daily.

Anyway 2020, 2021 i say brace yourself.

Just my opinions, and according to my wife i am wrong 100% of the time, so there ya go.

[play4kps]

Trump has nothing to do with it. There is a group of race teams that will spend whatever it takes to win and the power that be are doing nothing to curb it and will do nothing to curb it. These parts that are making racing so expensive that teams are folding are the primary sponsors of both major touring series and Dirt on dirt. As long as these groups are making money nothing will change. Not trying to be negative, these are facts. If the fans would look past the Bloomquist, Davenport, Shephard, Owens and a few other teams have unlimited budgets and getting comped expensive parts to promote their products, its a no brainer. Lets be honest their may have been almost a 100 teams at the world ,but realistically there was 5 or 6 teams that realistically had a chance and anyone outside of that select few would have been an upset.

[dirty-white-boy]

Huck are you running for President next year by chance? You make more sense than the clown we currently have in office and way more sense than the 30 plus on the other side competing for the other spot.

[Crossbones]

What do you people think should be done? Turn them into a limited late model?

[Crossbones]

People will still think they need a $40,000 engine to compete.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

People will still think they need a $40,000 engine to compete.

Let them. They thought they needed too much 20 years ago.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

What do you people think should be done? Turn them into a limited late model?

Huck and I agree there is an issue. I disagree somewhat on what should be done. I would go back to enforced 2000 body dimensions. I would reduce the spoiler to 3" to 0". Then I would let them race.

I don't believe in technical rules that limit shock length and other things like that. There are always ways to work around them. It just leads to more pointless rules. Plus the appeal of dirt late models was always that it left room for imagination. It wasn't a spec car.

The loss of the arched roof, the nose splitter, the interior turned into a sideboard, the decking not being flat, have all got the cars to where we are. The downforce is insane compared to 20 years ago.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

I'm ok with any dynamic suspension attitude they want to take with the body reigned in.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

You would still have the same attitude just slightly less exaggerated and you would be relying on set up and driving more than aero...

Your last sentence is what I want to achieve. But, I don't wanna pull off shocks in tech and tell people how to setup their car. Or tech to make sure the LR shock rotates with the cage.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

I don't wanna get down in the weeds and I guarantee my way would unhook the cars more. Going back to a roof that causes lift would be a game changer.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

I said no nose splitter. I said curved roof. You could not have a huge drop from the door to the driver tub in 2000. You could not run the decking uphill to the spoiler as much as you wanted.

I also said remove spoiler. Who cares if a nose with no lip is on the ground? I removed 900# of downforce from the back.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

The hood could not be lower than the body sides, at all. Yes, the deck was 36". The cars were considerably narrower as well. There was too many things to count. And they all matter.

[MontanaMagic1619*]

I know this is a little off topic from the last handful of posts but I just hope that this young man gets him a good ride for next season, he's one helluva great talent, and a young man with a cool personality, I've enjoyed my chats with him at a few of the big races this year, he has unlimited potential, and in my humble opinion long after I'm gone, he will be as successful as his ol' man someday. Give the young man a ride, those of you with deep pockets, and a love for our favorite sport ! Go get 'em Hudson !

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

Call me guilty of adding a "g" and maybe I'm off a year or two. I have a pre splitter new nose in the garage attic. I was thinking it was from 1999 or 2000. You get my point. If the back and left side of the car can't catch air, the rest does not matter. You can seal the front perfectly, but if the back has no aero load, the car isn't hooked.

I haven't seen a car all year where the hood was only 1" below a straight line across the doors and fenders.

[Illtsate32]

They should make the bodies square you can see with the naked eye the rr quarters are at least at a 22 degree angle from the door to spoiler...

[chupp n bloomer fan]

Don O'Neal to the mastersbilt house car partnered with beamen motorsports. You heard it here first they just signed a three week contract with a option for four!Funny stuff man

[chupp n bloomer fan]

While I totally agree costs are outta hand, and cars are outta hand, it has zero to do with politics.

Racers have done it to themselves, just as they always have. It’s up to the rules people to make rules and totally enforce them with no wiggle room.

I think Burns was blowing too much money. He has a business to run. If he was eating into his profits, I’m sure he was, to run race cars for zero profit, then he!! ya, eventually you say no more.

He may still do something for his boy, who knows.

I hope Hudson finds a ride, good young man. Little rough, but a good head on his shoulders from what I’ve seen.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

The aero push is from getting behind another car. The other car is moving tons of air and there is none left for you. You could achieve the effect your way, but again, left side 2/3 of right? You asking tech to measure and do math? Just take the downforce off.

[dirtcrazy4u]

And all those buried in the weeds front ends and raked LR's are controlled by what ? SHOCKS drivers get the air moving over that left rear because it's high enough to push all the air straight up over the following car. Those elephant ears are the only thing that save them from losing the front end and skating across the track. You can't change just one and not the other. Both series know that, so you give them a spec sheet showing what valving you can run on the RF and LR tie that LR down and the difference would be huge.

[dirtcrazy4u]

There is no easy answer. WoO, Lucas, they all know it. If they come up with a drastic rule change and the other series doesn't follow then there going to have a real problem. Huck your probably right because then someone will come up with a spring combination to make up for the shock travel.

[dirty-white-boy]

Huck why are saying AFTER a race rather than before? Just curious, can the car not settle down to 'normal' height after a race without help?

[Jking24]

Huck why are saying AFTER a race rather than before? Just curious, can the car not settle down to 'normal' height after a race without help?No most of them won't that is why you see crew members hanging on the lr before tech.