Overton fails post qualifying tech

[0_VodooChild_0]

Time disallowed. Will start at back of heat race. Fast time disallowed for failing droop rule.

[SLM_FAN77]

See how no one cares.. LOL

[kidrock]

So, they're really enforcing the rules

[Rajflyboy]

Overton will be back up front tonight

[zyoung25]

So, they're really enforcing the rules

The droop rule. Ive seen some pics of the bodies that still make you wonder, but im not there in person to see it.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

The droop rule. Ive seen some pics of the bodies that still make you wonder, but im not there in person to see it.

Yes, they are enforcing the dumbest rule. I'm going to observe at EB, because the math in the rules is wrong. I want to see how you can pass a body.

[ride height]

I’m no expert on any of this but yes….these bodies are ridiculous. Why can you tone that down and have a template. You either pass the template or you don’t race. Seems fairly simple once you make a template.

[ride height]

That should say….why CANT you tone it down…

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

They are too busy catering to the new credit card racers who cry when someone's birdcage looks different, to do anything with obvious aero issues that have killed racing, as they did 40 years ago.

[TerryM]

They are too busy catering to the new credit card racers who cry when someone's birdcage looks different, to do anything with obvious aero issues that have killed racing, as they did 40 years ago.
I’m not the techie you are, so I have a question. Beevo said last night both cars (Overton and EPJ) passed tech before qualifying. Then obviously both failed. EPJ claimed it was a measurement mistake, while Overton said it was a broken part. What changes were made and what part was broken, to get the difference in droop measurement? And does a half inch really make a difference?

[Josh Bayko]

Just making the decks 36” and fiat would help the aero dependency immensely and not significantly change the look of the cars.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

TerryM,

We often don't get the real story, but if a part broke, you are talking something in the chain limiter system. Most likely he cracked the cushioning rubber.

Any suspension change that changes dynamic steer could cause it to gain or lose drop. Moving either 4 link on the frame could do it. This is because your chain "supposed to be vertical as possible", will be more or less vertical at full drop.

The spoiler is fairly far back and above the axle. Depending on speed, getting it up an inch could add hundreds of pounds of downforce.

[Raceready]

One fan was thinking that it was conspired to remove a couple of key players that were favored to be up at the front of the pack. Get them out of the way so that Kyle Larson would have more of a chance to win and that be for better media accounting. Whad do ya think on that ?

[jb20]

I can't see why Lucas would want a competitor's logo (Flo) plastered all over the place during their telecast or in victory lane. It was fairly obvious that they were trying to crop the Flo logo out of the screen after the race.

[Rajflyboy]

We don’t want too many rules and exactly perfect bodies because then u got nascar (basically)

[Pennsboro32]

One fan was thinking that it was conspired to remove a couple of key players that were favored to be up at the front of the pack. Get them out of the way so that Kyle Larson would have more of a chance to win and that be for better media accounting. Whad do ya think on that ?

I think whoever thought that is a moron.

[Rajflyboy]

76 will be upfront tonight

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

Flyboy,

The rules went NASCAR in 2015. It gets worse every year.

[Rajflyboy]

Flyboy,The rules went NASCAR in 2015. It gets worse every year.I know. We don’t need anymore of it 👍

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

^^good luck with that

[Raceready]

I think whoever thought that is a moron.Maybe he however was not that far off base after all given the fact that Overton won and EPJ landed in 4th at tonights event and old Larsy came in dead last ?

[dirtSLMracing]

Maybe he however was not that far off base after all given the fact that Overton won and EPJ landed in 4th at tonights event and old Larsy came in dead last ?

So why would MavTV want a car sponsored by Flo Racing to win?

[Raceready]

I will have to ask him ... He will probably say "Try as they might they still can't stop a Longhorn from winning " ...

[zyoung25]

Maybe he however was not that far off base after all given the fact that Overton won and EPJ landed in 4th at tonights event and old Larsy came in dead last ?

Why would they not want the car that LUCAS on the nose up front and on camera?

[dirtSLMracing]

Why would they not want the car that LUCAS on the nose up front and on camera?

Raceready not only is failing to make his point but he doesn't even know what the point is he is trying to make.

[Raceready]

Raceready not only is failing to make his point but he doesn't even know what the point is he is trying to make.You may or may not be correct ! ! ! !

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

Overton doesn't claim ignorance or a broken part in his description of what happened. Like I said, there is more lying in racing than fishing.

If you read the DoD article, Francis basically says he isn't gonna say much about what was wrong cause they got this stupid rule that's a lot more than how far the lr falls down. He doesn't wanna give away any secrets describing the test failure.

So, he had a shorter rr shock or one with too much rebound, something like that. You get the rr down, the car doesn't lift as far to get the lr off the ground.

I'd have to rebuild the rear clip on our cars to run with those guys.

[zyoung25]

Sounds like tire testing 101. Bust a guy for flunking out on a tire test, but lets not tell what was in the tire that made it fail.

[dirtSLMracing]

Sounds like tire testing 101. Bust a guy for flunking out on a tire test, but lets not tell what was in the tire that made it fail.

The teams that failed were told what failed.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

The teams that failed were told what failed.

Which group? Last night? Or "doesn't meet benchmark"?

[dirtSLMracing]

Which group? Last night? Or "doesn't meet benchmark"?

Any team that fails tech.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

Any team that fails tech.

Those guys with tires said all they was told was that their spectrum was wrong.

Droop rule is just a measurement. I doubt they tell you how to fix it, just how bad you were. You still frame a pic of overton car and measure everything, his lr is very close to same drop out as our car, but we'd fail by 4".

[zyoung25]

The teams that failed were told what failed.

Bobby Pierce, Zack Dohm, and Jason Feger are 3 that were never told what made their tires fail. None of the guys from "tire gate" were ever told what made their tires fail. Unless something has changed, thats nearly 10 guys that didnt know.

Failing to meet benchmark doesn't tell anyone anything.

[Barbecueboy]

Tire rule, lol………

[cjsracing]

Overton doesn't claim ignorance or a broken part in his description of what happened. Like I said, there is more lying in racing than fishing.

If you read the DoD article, Francis basically says he isn't gonna say much about what was wrong cause they got this stupid rule that's a lot more than how far the lr falls down. He doesn't wanna give away any secrets describing the test failure.

So, he had a shorter rr shock or one with too much rebound, something like that. You get the rr down, the car doesn't lift as far to get the lr off the ground.

I'd have to rebuild the rear clip on our cars to run with those guys.

Doesn't sound much different than chaining the RR, which I do frequently.

[dirtcrazy4u]

It's funny, you have all this engineered rear suspension on these cars, 4 -bars, and shocks of different manufactures with the different options for valving. It's now all control by a pc of chain and this droop rule. Do I understand it, basically yes, do I care ? Not one bit because my days of laying under a car are over.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

Doesn't sound much different than chaining the RR, which I do frequently.

For those guys, it's not an option anymore.

[Drop Shock]

The funniest part about this rule is the guys in charge act like they are doing it to keep costs down. All it’s gonna do is make people spend money to engineer stuff to try and beat the measurement. Two of the easiest things to do to make your car faster are add drop and raise your spoiler up, and they both don’t cost a dime

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

If they wanted to cut costs, they'd take downforce out of the cars. They wouldn't be obsoleting parts every winter. They just want spec cars. They don't give a crap about cost.

[fastford]

well said mastersbiult , very simple and correct assumption .......

[dirty-white-boy]

Now they will be spending money trying to get that RF down even further.