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HoosierDirtFan
05-24-2022, 03:42 PM
World of Outlaws Late Model Series cancel the following events with no reschedule:

June 4 The Dirt Oval at Route 66 in Joliet, IL
June 17-18 at Orange County Fair Speedway in Middletown, NY
July 12 at Gondik Law Speedway in Superior, WI

The following events have been rescheduled:

The Hawkeye event at Boone (IA) Speedway is moving to Monday, July 25, kicking off the Prairie Dirt Classic week, and paying $20,000-to-win

https://worldofoutlaws.com/latemodels/world-of-outlaws-case-late-models-adjust-june-and-july-tour-schedule/?fbclid=IwAR2YHzobNQ4EpMjfnlDQ63vwdguVFsrkQe9dJpoy 39brAlVpYKo-4MKhHTo

Rajflyboy
05-24-2022, 04:54 PM
Very interesting. Is this due to million race?

foxfire2dirtracing
05-24-2022, 05:31 PM
Flyboy

You wouldn’t have asked the above question if you had read the release WOO posted.
HoosierDirtFan posted the link on the post he started!

intel8
05-24-2022, 06:05 PM
Joliet provides boring racing with NASCAR concession prices, Superior is a nice place, but if racers think Cedar Lake is out of the way they won't drive farther north 2 hours. Late models at Boone was pretty lame, support classes were the show there, way too much track farming there also!

ftfiowa
05-24-2022, 07:47 PM
boone locked down in the last 50 laps in 2021 and it went to the bottom around the tires follow the leader. boone farms the track better than any track in the usa. most other tracks dont farm near enough. i hope its only a 50 lap race this year

BTExpress
05-24-2022, 08:01 PM
Orange County has had serious issues with the track surface all year. I was surprised a two day show was scheduled to begin with. The state of New York is not exactly DLM country.

zooker25
05-24-2022, 08:12 PM
I like having the Boone race on July 25th. Just after I-80 and Before Mars race on Tuesday at Davenport.

fryefan
05-24-2022, 09:38 PM
boone locked down in the last 50 laps in 2021 and it went to the bottom around the tires follow the leader. boone farms the track better than any track in the usa. most other tracks dont farm near enough. i hope its only a 50 lap race this year

I agree with this assessment. Also, the race was very entertaining before it locked down.

Either run fewer laps or required harder tires.

fryefan
05-24-2022, 09:39 PM
I like having the Boone race on July 25th. Just after I-80 and Before Mars race on Tuesday at Davenport.

Also falls between the Silver Dollar Nationals @ I-80 and the PDC @ Fairbury.

wfodirt66
05-24-2022, 09:41 PM
the dirt at boone is just plain wore out, need new dirt hauled in

TBSprintFan
05-25-2022, 02:01 AM
World of Outlaws Late Model Series cancel the following events with no reschedule:

June 4 The Dirt Oval at Route 66 in Joliet, IL
June 17-18 at Orange County Fair Speedway in Middletown, NY
July 12 at Gondik Law Speedway in Superior, WI

The following events have been rescheduled:

The Hawkeye event at Boone (IA) Speedway is moving to Monday, July 25, kicking off the Prairie Dirt Classic week, and paying $20,000-to-win

https://worldofoutlaws.com/latemodels/world-of-outlaws-case-late-models-adjust-june-and-july-tour-schedule/?fbclid=IwAR2YHzobNQ4EpMjfnlDQ63vwdguVFsrkQe9dJpoy 39brAlVpYKo-4MKhHTo

Not sure if the WoO canceled Gondik Law Speedway, I heard from sources Gondik Law Speedway canceled the WoO. They are still going to River Cities Speedway in Grand Forks, North Dakota and that is close to 4 hours straight west of Superior Wisconsin .

dirtcrazy4u
05-25-2022, 06:10 AM
This is all about tires. No I did not read the release, eldora is not putting that kind of money out there only to have racers not able to get tires.

TS FAN
05-25-2022, 10:48 AM
WOO is not going to have a choice. They are going to have to rethink the series after this season. However, I am not predicting what they wind up doing, but there almost has to be some restructuring of the series.

BTW I am enjoying the racing. There is no dominate team. Several teams can win at any time.

Josh Bayko
05-25-2022, 11:21 AM
Tires are not going to appear out of thin air. The UMP Summernats are going to see some cancellations too.

thexfactor0210
05-25-2022, 11:22 AM
There is ZERO chance the series goes away. They are making a killing on streaming and the stands are still packed. A couple drivers leaving the series isn’t going to change everything. Their big races such as PDC, USA Nats, World Finals, and so in will still have plenty of guys.

dirty-white-boy
05-25-2022, 11:45 AM
The series has slowly become a joke. If you are a track with a WoO show on schedule what do they bring to the table for you? Come July you could see others drop off (Sorry Hammer and Gordy but you are not getting ROY).

Brent Larson is 5th points....enough said there!

Boom better watch out, ole Pumpkin Head is going to take his top 10 points place away by the end of the year.

manwplan
05-25-2022, 11:51 AM
The series has slowly become a joke. If you are a track with a WoO show on schedule what do they bring to the table for you? Come July you could see others drop off (Sorry Hammer and Gordy but you are not getting ROY).

Brent Larson is 5th points....enough said there!

Boom better watch out, ole Pumpkin Head is going to take his top 10 points place away by the end of the year.

Why would Hammer and Gordy drop off? They are in the top 10 and that pays. In the past the only reason guys running for ROY quit was because in addition to not winning ROY they had no shot at top 10 in points. These 2 clearly do.

Pennsboro32
05-25-2022, 11:56 AM
Why would Hammer and Gordy drop off? They are in the top 10 and that pays. In the past the only reason guys running for ROY quit was because in addition to not winning ROY they had no shot at top 10 in points. These 2 clearly do.

Because FUEL. You don't make much money driving 8 hours away every weekend to run 15th. Check at the end might be alright but I'd say it evens out.

I'm not claiming they will drop off but it wouldn't surprise me either.

BTExpress
05-25-2022, 01:31 PM
"There is ZERO chance the series goes away. They are making a killing on streaming and the stands are still packed. A couple drivers leaving the series isn’t going to change everything. Their big races such as PDC, USA Nats, World Finals, and so in will still have plenty of guys."

Agree 100%...Amazes me how many people on this forum want to see the WoO fail. Let's look at some facts. Both series only have ten or so drivers following the their series this year. Yes LOLMS has a few bigger names, but did lose Davenport and Owens. Last week the WoO drew 32, 41 and 42 cars and what looked like pretty full grandstands while Lucas drew 22 and 23 cars and light crowds. The world needs both series and as fans we should want to see both series succeed. I know I look forward to seeing both when they are in my area.

MRM
05-25-2022, 02:13 PM
Maybe a few of their drivers will decide to come to Smoky Mountain for the Mountain Moonshine Classic Lucas Oil race on June 17-18. It's $50,000 to win the final night.

TS FAN
05-25-2022, 02:19 PM
I did not see where anyone said series is going away. I said it will be restructured. Big difference

cjsracing
05-25-2022, 02:34 PM
Tires are not going to appear out of thin air. The UMP Summernats are going to see some cancellations too.

Exactly. Shannon from Hoosier was at our race in Stuart, IA Sunday and gave a very good detailed update on the tire situation.

1. Shut down to 50% capacity during covid, but racecars kept buying tires so it depleted inventory.
2. When they came out of the shutdown they expected to replenish the inventory but racers kept buying tires at a higher volume than normal.
3. The main factory somewhere in Indiana can't find workers to run multiple shifts, that particular county only has .6% unemployment so there is literally no one there to hire.
4. No off season to try to catch up since there are races in the west and south during the winter months.

I know as a racer I am guilty of #2, as I bought as many tires as I could find and still buy any that I come across.

It's just my opinion but Hooiser has to many Late Model Tire options - it should just be the LM20, LM30 and LM40.

dirty-white-boy
05-25-2022, 02:37 PM
"There is ZERO chance the series goes away. They are making a killing on streaming and the stands are still packed. A couple drivers leaving the series isn’t going to change everything. Their big races such as PDC, USA Nats, World Finals, and so in will still have plenty of guys."

Agree 100%...Amazes me how many people on this forum want to see the WoO fail. Let's look at some facts. Both series only have ten or so drivers following the their series this year. Yes LOLMS has a few bigger names, but did lose Davenport and Owens. Last week the WoO drew 32, 41 and 42 cars and what looked like pretty full grandstands while Lucas drew 22 and 23 cars and light crowds. The world needs both series and as fans we should want to see both series succeed. I know I look forward to seeing both when they are in my area.


IMO more cars showed up because they believe before they left their shop they could beat Max and DErb easier then they could Tmac, Bshepp ect. Sadly top talent drives the smaller racers away.

The top 6 at Port Royal were all "local/regional' racers except the 111v. When has that happened last on a "National touring series"?

I dont want to see it fail, but there is not room for 3 "top" series. End of story!

Pennsboro32
05-25-2022, 02:38 PM
There's a lot more super late models in PA than there is in Iowa. PA and Illinois are like the two healthiest states for DLM racing.

fryefan
05-25-2022, 03:34 PM
As someone mentioned earlier, it is an advantage to be able to go to a race and not know who is going to win.

champion24
05-25-2022, 07:21 PM
Woo & mainly WRG aren't going anywhere because Woo sprints make a killing! Before a single streaming package is sold!

ZERO25
05-25-2022, 09:29 PM
Exactly. Shannon from Hoosier was at our race in Stuart, IA Sunday and gave a very good detailed update on the tire situation.

1. Shut down to 50% capacity during covid, but racecars kept buying tires so it depleted inventory.
2. When they came out of the shutdown they expected to replenish the inventory but racers kept buying tires at a higher volume than normal.
3. The main factory somewhere in Indiana can't find workers to run multiple shifts, that particular county only has .6% unemployment so there is literally no one there to hire.
4. No off season to try to catch up since there are races in the west and south during the winter months.

I know as a racer I am guilty of #2, as I bought as many tires as I could find and still buy any that I come across.

It's just my opinion but Hooiser has to many Late Model Tire options - it should just be the LM20, LM30 and LM40.

Two words........Thanks Brandon!

Jim11h
05-26-2022, 06:40 AM
Pennsboro, I forget what they get fuel money but 2 day shows they get same money each day. Every 900 miles o put roughly $680 in semi, 120 gallons.

Tireguy17
05-26-2022, 07:44 AM
Two words........Thanks Brandon!

This is not a political problem. Unemployment rates keep dropping, there aren't enough people to handle overall consumer demand.

https://www.ncsl.org/research/labor-and-employment/state-unemployment-update.aspx

Jim11h
05-26-2022, 07:58 AM
You believe low unemployment rates root cause then I've got some prime property for you. There's still many not working they just aren't statistics because their government benefits wore out. Drugs are huge issues and many heroine & meth heads that used to work before being locked down to self medicate to point they are now. We didn't mysteriously come up with millions more jobs than have people

crownman25
05-26-2022, 08:31 AM
Some say its the redraw hurting them..... plus 10-12 a gallon racing gas 200.00 plus for tires and high fuel prices...

zyoung25
05-26-2022, 09:38 AM
It's just my opinion but Hooiser has to many Late Model Tire options - it should just be the LM20, LM30 and LM40.

I agree. This should have been fixed several years ago is the thing. There is no reason at all we should have multiple tires that are basically the same with a different stamp on them. I've always thought it was dumb when I was growing up that we had to buy LM tires just to run eldora when nothing was different about the tires we used on a normal weekend, other than they had to have a LM stamp.

I think it's a good idea that they are trying to fix it in 2023. Some local/regional guys are going to have to suffer for a awhile until some used tires start circulating if the local tracks end up mandating that same tire rule.

TS FAN
05-26-2022, 10:51 AM
You believe low unemployment rates root cause then I've got some prime property for you. There's still many not working they just aren't statistics because their government benefits wore out. Drugs are huge issues and many heroine & meth heads that used to work before being locked down to self medicate to point they are now. We didn't mysteriously come up with millions more jobs than have people

Exactly!!! People are not working because the Gov gives them money. Desperately need a change at the top. Giving away free stuff is not a plan for improving the economics of this nation

crownman25
05-26-2022, 12:52 PM
yes I have said this for years hoosier just needs one tire style a few compounds no crate tires,series tires tires with race tracks name on them and they should come pre grooved no rib tires the ump tire options are pretty good why not just make these tires for everyone...

crownman25
05-26-2022, 12:54 PM
I know a guy that use to race he hadlittle help plenty of money but had and hard time trying to buy tires at the track and getting them grooved ... hoosier you would help yourselves soo much if you just made the ump checker board pattern tire all four corners....l

Buford.Justice
05-26-2022, 01:22 PM
boone locked down in the last 50 laps in 2021 and it went to the bottom around the tires follow the leader. boone farms the track better than any track in the usa. most other tracks dont farm near enough. i hope its only a 50 lap race this year

They must have shorted the track farming for this event.

raburke23
05-26-2022, 03:03 PM
Honestly, the traveling series need to go to a format where the top 25 finishes count toward the points championship. This way guys can miss races here and there and still be in contention for points. If they don't, the point chasing series in LM are going to die. Running a true outlaw type schedule is now potentially more lucrative for the top 20 teams in the country.

ZERO25
05-26-2022, 04:39 PM
This is not a political problem. Unemployment rates keep dropping, there aren't enough people to handle overall consumer demand.

https://www.ncsl.org/research/labor-and-employment/state-unemployment-update.aspx

Id bet a c-note if a certain Republican president was still president, we wouldnt be in this problem! Fact!

Raceready
05-26-2022, 06:18 PM
Id bet a c-note if a certain Republican president was still president, we wouldnt be in this problem! Fact!Why no takers on this bet ?

ZERO25
05-26-2022, 08:33 PM
Why no takers on this bet ?

The 81 million has dramatically shrunk!

Barbecueboy
05-26-2022, 08:39 PM
The 81 million has dramatically shrunk!

Was it ever really that large anyway? Lmao

ZERO25
05-26-2022, 09:10 PM
CNN says so.........lololololol!!!

champion24
05-31-2022, 07:14 PM
Will we get a refund for part of our money?

GrocMax
05-31-2022, 10:57 PM
Boone doesn't have dirt anymore, it's mostly sawdust, horsesh!t, and some form of illegally disposed agribusiness chemicals. ;)