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xray
10-22-2023, 06:50 PM
What an exciting way to decide a title. At least I didn't have to watch the whole race.

kipling
10-22-2023, 06:55 PM
It's official, Lucas will crown a "champion" that was not the "Driver of the Year" on tour this year. Sad

Patansplant
10-22-2023, 08:51 PM
Typical Lucas fasion. Sh&t show.

Raceready
10-22-2023, 10:29 PM
It's official, Lucas will crown a "champion" that was not the "Driver of the Year" on tour this year. SadIts atrocious.

SLlDlNG SIDEWAYS
10-23-2023, 12:10 AM
Stop it! You guys are gonna make me weep!

Too funny.....

jog49
10-23-2023, 11:14 AM
Let's see . . . all of you can decide;;;

Thornton - 23 wins/41 top fives
O'Neal - 7 wins/33 top fives
Davenport - 7 wins/29 top fives
Moran - 2 wins/24 top fives
McCreadie - 2 wins/23 top fives

SLlDlNG SIDEWAYS
10-23-2023, 11:21 AM
Let's see , lol...
The Lucas boys ain't crying bj49 lol. They knew what they signed up for at the start. Guess some of you wasn't paying attention and now reality has set in? Lolsdm

slmcrewchief99
10-23-2023, 11:27 AM
All the drivers agreed to it before the season started. RTJ isn't the champ this year. It sux. We know it. Get over it. Geeeez

Are yall gonna whine more next year if they all agree to do it all over again?

Well of course you will. That was a stupid question....

gorj
10-24-2023, 02:31 AM
Thanks LOLMDS and FLO - keep doing what your doing. Exciting finish and we’ll be tuned in next year.

Highside Hustler25
10-24-2023, 05:14 AM
Like Devin Moran said, if you don't like it.....👋well, bye.

dirty-white-boy
10-24-2023, 12:53 PM
Like Devin Moran said, if you don't like it.....well, bye.

I wonder if he would be singing the same tune if he was 5th place in points like he really should be..

Raceready
10-24-2023, 04:02 PM
Let's see . . . all of you can decide;;;Thornton - 23 wins/41 top fivesO'Neal - 7 wins/33 top fivesDavenport - 7 wins/29 top fivesMoran - 2 wins/24 top fivesMcCreadie - 2 wins/23 top fivesOne certainly can't help but notice the glaring results in those stats ! ! It kind of reminds one of certain political elections where there was somebody elected into office than there were actual registered voters where you can't help to surmise that something was rotten in the state of Denmark ? ?

Raceready
10-25-2023, 03:50 PM
^ Just admit you're of the democratic following. Come out of the closet, you're not doing a very good job at hiding it... WinkIf'n If was to admit to that following, I would have to be a fan of that there NASCUS format in which I'm obviously not !

baker1b
10-25-2023, 09:47 PM
I think the owners voted for it to be this way. It was a lot better for 4 teams instead of 1. Anyone that doesn't see how good this was has never owned a race car.

kidrock
10-26-2023, 06:25 AM
Some people have a hard time excepting change. If the points battle was close this would have been the greatest thing ever but, with RTJ having such a great season and huge lead it doesn't seem fair but, they knew going into the year this was going to be part of it. Do I feel bad for RTJ and the team heck yes I do. So I have a feeling Lucas will tweak this a little and make sure the points leader will an advantage going into the DTWC.

ImCryn2
10-26-2023, 07:26 AM
I think the owners voted for it to be this way. It was a lot better for 4 teams instead of 1. Anyone that doesn't see how good this was has never owned a race car.

As someone who built, owned and drove cars for 21 years I will say that if you think this format is the cats meow, you do not have a competitive bone in your body. Ricky accomplished what every racer sets out to do at the beginning of every season...... he kicked all their azzes and now gets to watch the trophy and first place check handed to someone else.
As far as folks that support this saying they feel bad for Ricky, no they don't! They purposely created this format to prevent someone from doing exactly what Ricky did and what Ricky did should be what every team strives for.
BTW, I read that Gina Bradsher said there was no vote. I suppose she should know. With that said, they all knew the format going in so I guess they all voted by signing up to run the series.
For the record, I'm still going to watch the races. I hope they don't think that by watching I am doing so because of this gimmick.

TS FAN
10-27-2023, 07:33 AM
Format is here to stay. As was said, maybe a tweak or two. So I guess we will have an annual gripe session on it. I would say this format would attract more drivers than it loses. Pretty good pay day for all four drivers.

Wonder if WOO is considering the same thing, if not drivers that don't like the lucas format can join the WOO format and hope they are the one and only next year. We will see how all this works out, won't we.

EvelB7
10-27-2023, 09:52 AM
I will throw my Thank You to Lucas Oil, Big River Steel and all of the sponsors that support the series. Whether I like the format or not, I do appreciate the fact that it is all possible because of them. We are all entitled to our opinions, however I do believe they deserve a little respect for stepping up and putting the money up. Funny how these boards fill up and pollute the waters, I guess the saying 'no good deed goes unpunished' is really true. Nothing wrong with criticism, but it must be directed to the right person and in the right way. Some need to go back and read the Friendship Speedway letter from last year, or maybe they really don't want to help with a solution but just want to be a part of the problem....

foxfire2dirtracing
10-27-2023, 09:55 AM
^ Well said!

MasterSbilt_Racer
10-27-2023, 11:23 AM
I will throw my Thank You to Lucas Oil, Big River Steel and all of the sponsors that support the series. Whether I like the format or not, I do appreciate the fact that it is all possible because of them. We are all entitled to our opinions, however I do believe they deserve a little respect for stepping up and putting the money up. Funny how these boards fill up and pollute the waters, I guess the saying 'no good deed goes unpunished' is really true. Nothing wrong with criticism, but it must be directed to the right person and in the right way. Some need to go back and read the Friendship Speedway letter from last year, or maybe they really don't want to help with a solution but just want to be a part of the problem....

Late model racing is older than the Lucas Oil Series. I'd argue it was healthier before their entrance as well. I'm not kissing any rings. More money solves nothing, especially in the absence of good stewardship.

Raceready
10-27-2023, 12:56 PM
^ Very well said ! ! ^ ^

TBSprintFan
10-27-2023, 01:46 PM
I will throw my Thank You to Lucas Oil, Big River Steel and all of the sponsors that support the series. Whether I like the format or not, I do appreciate the fact that it is all possible because of them. We are all entitled to our opinions, however I do believe they deserve a little respect for stepping up and putting the money up. Funny how these boards fill up and pollute the waters, I guess the saying 'no good deed goes unpunished' is really true. Nothing wrong with criticism, but it must be directed to the right person and in the right way. Some need to go back and read the Friendship Speedway letter from last year, or maybe they really don't want to help with a solution but just want to be a part of the problem....

Well said, especially your last sentence.

TS FAN
10-27-2023, 04:07 PM
I agree too

Rajflyboy
10-27-2023, 06:43 PM
Evel is right

MasterSbilt_Racer
10-27-2023, 06:51 PM
Failures cry about social media. Successful tracks just succeed. I've offered fixes. My name isn't Davenport or Richards, so the stewards of the sport don't care.

You don't have to lie until the funeral. That's when everyone says a guy was a joy to be around and made everyone laugh. Dlm racing isn't dead yet.

TBSprintFan
10-27-2023, 08:01 PM
Failures cry about social media. Successful tracks just succeed. I've offered fixes. My name isn't Davenport or Richards, so the stewards of the sport don't care.

You don't have to lie until the funeral. That's when everyone says a guy was a joy to be around and made everyone laugh. Dlm racing isn't dead yet.

I agree with your last sentence. And like I mentioned in another comment to you, we need younger blood to stay involved to keep it going. Not many years ago you saw mostly older grey haired people in the stands, now I am seeing some younger people in the stands and to keep them involved you need to keep them interested and that's why you will see some changes to the sport even though you will not like them.

EvelB7
10-28-2023, 07:06 AM
I agree with your last sentence. And like I mentioned in another comment to you, we need younger blood to stay involved to keep it going. Not many years ago you saw mostly older grey haired people in the stands, now I am seeing some younger people in the stands and to keep them involved you need to keep them interested and that's why you will see some changes to the sport even though you will not like them.I also agree, things either grow or die and motorsports in general has to continue to change or it will be the latter. I am fortunate (or unfortunate depending on how you look at it) to be involved in the sport from more angles than most. I deal with the young racer everyday; they are completely different than when I grew up 50 or so years ago. Right, wrong, better, worse are all just words that come from a person's perspective; in my opinion the key is learning to adapt to the changing surroundings and provide entertainment value for the fan while keeping the integrity of the sport in tact- tough thing to accomplish but I do appreciate the efforts I see.

ftfiowa
10-29-2023, 03:58 PM
Do you realize what you said here?

pretty confident he said you were god...i agree....

Snake X3
10-29-2023, 08:23 PM
My issue with the format is it doesn't accurately reflect what happened in the season. When you have 50-60 races and one guy wins the points, then he should be in the record books as the champion. No one remembers who finished 2nd...rarely anyway.

I understand why they instituted this system and knowing that, I was happy for the drivers to have a chance to compete for all that extra money. However, Ricky won the title in my mind and the record books should show that.

If they insist on using this format again, I would suggest that the winner of the regular season points gets that title and the winner of the DTWC is given the playoff winner title. I doubt that would make any difference to Ricky if that had been the case here. I'm sure he mostly cares about the money, but as a fan, I think the guy that has the best season should be the champ. Call me crazy, but that's how I feel about it.

Having a playoff does not increase the excitement for me. Matter of fact, I stopped watching NA$CAR because of my objection to the Chase format. That was the final straw after suffering with the Danica hot dog wrapper cautions and other PC BS they instituted. Thankfully, Dirt Late Model racing has a long, long way to fall that far. It's still the best form of racing on the planet IMO. What Lucas has done 5ucks, but I'll still be watching next season.

dirtcrazy4u
11-07-2023, 05:05 AM
All these comments make me laugh. Every car owner out there understood what they were getting into. Did RTj have a great season, he sure did, but every win he racked up in the back of there minds they knew it was going to come down to this. Good year to all the teams that had a chance to win the championship. Everyone of them knows RTJ had a great season.

MasterSbilt_Racer
11-07-2023, 11:45 AM
All these comments make me laugh. Every car owner out there understood what they were getting into. Did RTj have a great season, he sure did, but every win he racked up in the back of there minds they knew it was going to come down to this. Good year to all the teams that had a chance to win the championship. Everyone of them knows RTJ had a great season.

It was more than great. It was unprecedented in modern times. Sure, he didn't win a ton of the "crown jewels" but he whipped them every week. In 15 years, when people go back and look at this season from a historical perspective, the list of champions will say O'Neal in 23 and the details will be lost.

Raceready
11-07-2023, 03:25 PM
It was more than great. It was unprecedented in modern times. Sure, he didn't win a ton of the "crown jewels" but he whipped them every week. In 15 years, when people go back and look at this season from a historical perspective, the list of champions will say O'Neal in 23 and the details will be lost.Won't O'Neal always have an asterisk beside his name with the explanation about all of RTJ's wins and the unsurmountable point lead he garnered before the seasons final event ? ? Inquiring for a friend. . .

dirtcrazy4u
11-07-2023, 04:25 PM
It was more than great. It was unprecedented in modern times. Sure, he didn't win a ton of the "crown jewels" but he whipped them every week. In 15 years, when people go back and look at this season from a historical perspective, the list of champions will say O'Neal in 23 and the details will be lost.

I do agree, but most of those that follow the sport will still be saying, Yea you remember 2023 when RTj lost the championship in some stupid azz 1 race winner takes the crown. Can you imagine if it was Moran, 2 wins all year. It needs tweaking if they decide to keep it. 1 race, nah that was a slap in the face to that whole team.

84wedge
11-07-2023, 05:53 PM
Paper champion

klemmabyna
11-07-2023, 06:13 PM
... In 15 years, when people go back and look at this season from a historical perspective, the list of champions will say O'Neal in 23 and the details will be lost.

i hope to be around long enough to set those people straight. and i don't expect O'Neal or Rocket1 to go around crowing about being the 2023 champion. too easy to call them out about the entire season's results. the lucas oil late model series just insulted the dirt late model fan base. hope they are smart enough to make this a one-and-done experiment.

ImCryn2
11-08-2023, 07:51 AM
I will never agree with any system where a guy could win every race except the final one and not be champion. I get that's how stick and ball sports do it, but they don't play against the whole league every week.

Raceready
11-08-2023, 08:22 AM
Lucas will do the same thing next year. There will be plenty of guys running for the title knowing they've got a chance over the better guy to take the championship. However, if I were RTJ, I'd be looking for a better playground...I think that the Bloomy guy that is known far and wide as a notorious gambler wound be quick to lay his cards on the table to run the NASCUS series with the end result relating to a gamble ? ? If he is truely the GOAT as some may have a fantasy on, he would probably lead the points till the end and still win the last race if'n they run the same silly format next year ? ?

Raceready
11-08-2023, 10:55 AM
^Actually that would be a good setup for Bloomy... If he was at all competitive and keeps them tars under him, that is. GrinA true goat / gambler won't throw his coins on the table that foolishly... WinkI'd be real surprised to see RTJ running Lucas next year... That would be foolish.I agree that RTJ might want to think twice about running that series after the obvious corn job that he endured as if he was shamefully abused ? ?

Raceready
11-08-2023, 12:12 PM
^He knew what the outcome could be , he my not have known how dam good he was tho... smileCan't see him making the same mistake twice, do you?I would hope not. How does that old adage read ; " Corn me once, Shame on you, Corn me twice, Shame on me " ? ?

Raceready
11-08-2023, 03:09 PM
^ yep, poor guy ain't got much of a chance over at WoO either if they're just gonna give it to the dirty bobby again like they did this year... SmileMaybe give Madden something to carp about ? ?