2024 WoO roster potential

[ftfiowa]

DISCLAIMER:speculative post!

20rt thornton jr
B5 Sheppard
44 Madden
19r gustin
30 cooney
9 hoffman
28 erb jr
B1 larson
96v english
22 mclaughlin

[larsonwon]

Pierce mentioned at the banquet that he would probably following the tour again

[wolter11racing]

Why would you think Thornton would switch to WoO?

[Highside Hustler25]

Why would you think Thornton would switch to WoO?

Because that's how his die-cast's are lined up on the kitchen floor.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

Why would you think Thornton would switch to WoO?

Probably can't get the bad taste out of his mouth

[t4g2]

Between that an he posted woo schedule on social media so good chance thats a sign. An with pierce he has said in numerous interviews he's running woo or leaning towards it.

[pierceFAN]

pierce will race woo

[Raceready]

Probably can't get the bad taste out of his mouthYou cant blame him for that . . .

[fryefan]

Why would you think Thornton would switch to WoO?

Because in the WoO series, the driver that performs the best during the entire season wins the points championship.

In the Lucas Oil Series, all that does is guarantee you a 4th place finish.

RTJ is the Lucas Oil Series points champion for 2023 in my book.

[84wedge]

Wherever Marlar ends up, my eyes will be watching

[ftfiowa]

DISCLAIMER:speculative post!

WoO updated roster potential:
32p pierce
20rt thornton jr im guessing here but LOLMDS might be easier in 2024 than WoO
44 madden
B5 Sheppard in Longhorn house car fulltime in 2024
19r gustin
30 cooney
9 hoffman
28 erb jr, maybe he goes back to MARS & off national tours? had a bad 2023
B1 larson
84 mclaughlin ROY most likely
96v english could also easily go LOLMDS or drop off natioanl tour altogether

[ftfiowa]

DISCLAIMER:Speculative post!

looking at WoO vs LOLMDS:
$20k+ to win to races: WoO 10ish vs LOLMDS 20+
if you run for WoO you would only miss 3-4 big paying LOLMDS races that are on same weekends as WoO,so if you dont like the LOLMDS point fund/chase stuff it does make sense to run the WoO tour & just hit the Big LOLMDS paying races you want to(geography being main factor)

[foxfire2dirtracing]

^^
Good perspective ftfiowa.

[ftfiowa]

2024 WoO Roster Confirmed:
1. 20tc tristan chamberlain
2. 19 dustin sorensen
3. 30 todd cooney
4. 19r ryan gustin
5. 9 nick hoffman
6. 32 bobby pierce
7. 22 max mclaughlin

[ftfiowa]

add 15 cody overton who is the 4th ROY candidate now

[ftfiowa]

add 6jr parker martin who is 5th ROY candidate

[ftfiowa]

WoO Roster 2024 confirmed:

1. 32 pierce
2. 9 hoffman
3.19r gustin
4. 30 cooney
5. 22 mclaughlin
6. 6jr martin
7. 20tc chamberlain
8. 19 sorensen
9. 15 overton

[Dlmfan123]

Overton will not be in a #15

[Kipimak]

Cade Dillard confirmed he is running the WOO.

[ftfiowa]

2024 confirmed WoO roster:

1. 32 pierce
2. 19r gustin
3. 30 cooney
4. 97 dillard
5. 9 hoffman
6. 22 mclaughlin
7. 6jr martin
8. 20tc chamberlain
9. 19 sorenson
10. ? c overton

[J&Jsteel_fan]

I'm waiting for plans from Illinois drivers...

Erb
BShep
Shirley

[Jim11h]

Ricky Thornton knew system before running it! You conspiracy folks and he's the winner guys need to look at both sides. He made money wining and racing but lost point money, nobody fault but his! I hate lucas race day lucas format but you can't blame this on lucas, everyone knew before racing points

[Kipimak]

Add Dustin Walker. He is coming back for a 2nd year.

[ftfiowa]

2024 confirmed WoO roster:

1. 32 bobby pierce
2. 19r ryan gustin
3. 30 todd cooney
4. 14w dustin walker
5. 97 cade dillard
6. 9 nick hoffman
7. 22 max mclaughlin
8. 6jr parker martin
9. 20tc tristan chamberlain
10. 19 dustin sorenson
11. ? cody overton

im pleasantly surprised at the guys who resigned and the ROY crop as well!

[ftfiowa]

drake troutman said on the Chaz youtube show he wants to run WoO tour, just needs marketing partners.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

Ricky Thornton knew system before running it! You conspiracy folks and he's the winner guys need to look at both sides. He made money wining and racing but lost point money, nobody fault but his! I hate lucas race day lucas format but you can't blame this on lucas, everyone knew before racing points

They employed a stupid championship format. That is on them. It was announced at PRI. Plans for the season are already somewhat in place. They presented the chance to win the most money. For that reason alone, teams are willing to play their ill-advised game.

It's not a conspiracy. It's just more bad operation. We've come to expect nothing less. The sport has been badly damaged under their watch.

[blncfn57]

Ricky Thornton knew system before running it! You conspiracy folks and he's the winner guys need to look at both sides. He made money wining and racing but lost point money, nobody fault but his! I hate lucas race day lucas format but you can't blame this on lucas, everyone knew before racing points

The only reason to use a system like they did is to manufacture a close finish in the standings to create hype. It's a gimmick, as anyone who watched the races all season knew that Ricky handed their a$$es to them..... that's what every racer sets out to do. This is not like stick and ball sports where you only play one team each week, in this sport you race everyone, every week. This is the equivalent to zeroing out the score of the superbowl at the 2 minute warning and giving the ball to the team that is down 52 to 0. Hudson did exactly what he had to do and I was glad to see him win since it was obvious Ricky wasn't going to, but for Devin to even be in the running was nuts as he wasn't really a factor all year long.
With all that said, Ricky hinted at the banquet that he would be back next year and although the format seems to be a touch better, I will not feel bad for him again if it ends up the same. Lucas should be ashamed for rewarding good and punishing great.

[Pennsboro32]

Add Brian Shirley

[pierceFAN]

Add Brian Shirley

nice...been kind of quiet in the 3s camp

[FANSFund]

I am glad most of you do not own businesses... and it shows or you would be bankrupt.

Comparing year-end events... a driver had the opportunity to win $100,000 plus a championship worth $200,000 or $100,000 for fourth with Lucus. For WoO, i can win two nights and get $30,000 at the World Finals plus a championship worth $150,000 or $75,000 for fourth.

The tow money is a wash between the two series.

But add in all the lucrative events Lucas has versus WoO... seriously, you're going to ask which series to run?

RTJ never envisioned a year like 2023... no one could. All of your saying otherwise are saying so with the benefit of knowing the season, how it played out and applying to the year end format.

If Lucas doesn't implement this Chase format, Ricky wins $150K just like the winner did in 2022 and the only thing different is the title. I am sure with the winnings they had in 2023 from Lucas Oil... they are okay with the outcome.

Add this... leading into the World Finals all Pierce had to do was show up and the title was his. The media and buzz leading up to the World Finals was nominal. However, the buzz, attendance and viewership leading up to the Lucas final was off the charts as four drivers had a chance to win. Love it or hate it... everyone was tuned in so for Lucas Oil... mission accomplished!

[klemmabyna]

...I am sure with the winnings they had in 2023 from Lucas Oil... they are okay with the outcome.


I disagree. They wanted that title "Champion".

i will ignore the rest of your opinion.

[ftfiowa]

2024 WoO Roster Confirmed:

1. 32 pierce
2. 19r gustin
3. 30 cooney
4. 3s/8 shirley
5. 9 hoffman
6. 97 dillard
7. 14w walker
8. 22x mclaughlin
9. 6jr martin
10. 20tc chamberlain
11. 19 sorenson
12. ? overton

[ftfiowa]

2024 WoO roster confirmed:

1. 32 pierce
2. b5 sheppard
3. 19r gustin
4. 30 cooney
5. 3s/8 shirley
6. 9 hoffman
7. 97 dillard
8. 14w walker
9. 22x mclaughlin
10. 6jr martin
11. 20tc chamberlain
12. 19 sorensen
13. ? overton

[Kipimak]

Add Kyle Bronson

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

I am glad most of you do not own businesses... and it shows or you would be bankrupt.

Comparing year-end events... a driver had the opportunity to win $100,000 plus a championship worth $200,000 or $100,000 for fourth with Lucus. For WoO, i can win two nights and get $30,000 at the World Finals plus a championship worth $150,000 or $75,000 for fourth.

The tow money is a wash between the two series.

But add in all the lucrative events Lucas has versus WoO... seriously, you're going to ask which series to run?

RTJ never envisioned a year like 2023... no one could. All of your saying otherwise are saying so with the benefit of knowing the season, how it played out and applying to the year end format.

If Lucas doesn't implement this Chase format, Ricky wins $150K just like the winner did in 2022 and the only thing different is the title. I am sure with the winnings they had in 2023 from Lucas Oil... they are okay with the outcome.

Add this... leading into the World Finals all Pierce had to do was show up and the title was his. The media and buzz leading up to the World Finals was nominal. However, the buzz, attendance and viewership leading up to the Lucas final was off the charts as four drivers had a chance to win. Love it or hate it... everyone was tuned in so for Lucas Oil... mission accomplished!

Most of the "buzz" was chatter about how absurd the format was.

[kidrock]

I am glad most of you do not own businesses... and it shows or you would be bankrupt.

Comparing year-end events... a driver had the opportunity to win $100,000 plus a championship worth $200,000 or $100,000 for fourth with Lucus. For WoO, i can win two nights and get $30,000 at the World Finals plus a championship worth $150,000 or $75,000 for fourth.

The tow money is a wash between the two series.

But add in all the lucrative events Lucas has versus WoO... seriously, you're going to ask which series to run?

RTJ never envisioned a year like 2023... no one could. All of your saying otherwise are saying so with the benefit of knowing the season, how it played out and applying to the year end format.

If Lucas doesn't implement this Chase format, Ricky wins $150K just like the winner did in 2022 and the only thing different is the title. I am sure with the winnings they had in 2023 from Lucas Oil... they are okay with the outcome.

Add this... leading into the World Finals all Pierce had to do was show up and the title was his. The media and buzz leading up to the World Finals was nominal. However, the buzz, attendance and viewership leading up to the Lucas final was off the charts as four drivers had a chance to win. Love it or hate it... everyone was tuned in so for Lucas Oil... mission accomplished!


Very well said.

[blncfn57]

I am glad most of you do not own businesses... and it shows or you would be bankrupt.

Comparing year-end events... a driver had the opportunity to win $100,000 plus a championship worth $200,000 or $100,000 for fourth with Lucus. For WoO, i can win two nights and get $30,000 at the World Finals plus a championship worth $150,000 or $75,000 for fourth.

The tow money is a wash between the two series.

But add in all the lucrative events Lucas has versus WoO... seriously, you're going to ask which series to run?


RTJ never envisioned a year like 2023... no one could. All of your saying otherwise are saying so with the benefit of knowing the season, how it played out and applying to the year end format.

If Lucas doesn't implement this Chase format, Ricky wins $150K just like the winner did in 2022 and the only thing different is the title. I am sure with the winnings they had in 2023 from Lucas Oil... they are okay with the outcome.

Add this... leading into the World Finals all Pierce had to do was show up and the title was his. The media and buzz leading up to the World Finals was nominal. However, the buzz, attendance and viewership leading up to the Lucas final was off the charts as four drivers had a chance to win. Love it or hate it... everyone was tuned in so for Lucas Oil... mission accomplished!

I'll go ahead and assume you have never competed for anything in your life. These guys work their a$$es off to have seasons like Ricky had. Perhaps nobody saw it coming, but that is ALWAYS the goal(to kick everyones a$$). This gimmick was created to manufacture a close finish for the championship, in other words... to screw a guy that does exactly what Ricky did when that should be the goal and should be rewarded.

What did Pierce win $ wise this year compared to Ricky? Did Ricky come out money ahead over what McCreadie did last year in points payout money?

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/zqavx7htjlitdd6eo1oxa/Photo-Oct-28-2023-9-52-02-PM.jpg?rlkey=s7xs4c4pzn0yhcw0eb0cirf90&dl=0

[kidrock]

The sport has been begging for more money for the sport. Bigger payouts, bigger points fund. Well here it is.

[waaac77]

It’s a mockery of the sport. Why not just do 1 lap to determine the SEASON points leader? I guess some people just don’t give a rats azz about bs manufactured excitement. Why not just draw a name out of a hat. Lucas oil sucks. Had no interest in watching any of their races all year because they were basically meaningless and the only one that mattered was DTWC. One race lol.

[blncfn57]

The sport has been begging for more money for the sport. Bigger payouts, bigger points fund. Well here it is.

The money should also be in line with performance. The season ending points should be reflective of a body of work measured all season. When it comes to that body of work, did Moran's season long performance even compare to RTJ's??
If money is what brings excitement, then have the top 3 or 4 race a no-bull style format (full field) for one race and pay those drivers the extra money by how they finish against eachother. Don't make the season long points a gimmick, it should be rewarded as a year long achievement.

[kidrock]

The money should also be in line with performance. The season ending points should be reflective of a body of work measured all season. When it comes to that body of work, did Moran's season long performance even compare to RTJ's??
If money is what brings excitement, then have the top 3 or 4 race a no-bull style format (full field) for one race and pay those drivers the extra money by how they finish against eachother. Don't make the season long points a gimmick, it should be rewarded as a year long achievement.

57, don't get me wrong I would be all for them keeping it the way it was but, they changed it and as long as the drivers knew what the format was before the year started then I don't know what the beef is. They could have ran WOO instead but, choose to stay with the Lucas tour because of the potential of winning the money at years end. The drivers and teams could have let Lucas officials know they didn't agree with it and they would be running WOO but, they didn't as far as I know. Maybe it was discussed but, I haven't seen anywhere where they did. so, Maybe someone can verify or correct me on that.

[blncfn57]

57, don't get me wrong I would be all for them keeping it the way it was but, they changed it and as long as the drivers knew what the format was before the year started then I don't know what the beef is. They could have ran WOO instead but, choose to stay with the Lucas tour because of the potential of winning the money at years end. The drivers and teams could have let Lucas officials know they didn't agree with it and they would be running WOO but, they didn't as far as I know. Maybe it was discussed but, I haven't seen anywhere where they did. so, Maybe someone can verify or correct me on that.

The old saying is "if you finish well, the points will take care of themselves". I don't think that is necessarily the case anymore, most everyone who watched the races this year struggle with Ricky not being the champion. As I've said before, if they choose to run Lucas again this year, there will be no sympathy from me. I felt bad for Ricky last year because I don't think anyone thought it could happen, now they know.
Everyone has different reasons for running the tour they run be it the tracks they go to, the format, the money, etc.
I keep hearing about the money Lucas offers but nobody responded when I asked how much money Ricky made this year compared to Bobby?
You all realize that the ones funding this stuff have lots of money and can obviously afford to lose it or they wouldn't do it? Alot of their investment is at risk, so it's not really the same as most businesses. That $200,000 could buy a complete car and all the spares for it (maybe)? A couple bad nights and that could all be gone..... championships last forever.
I'll continue watching because I like racing, I hope they don't confuse me watching as I support such nonsense though.

[klemmabyna]

Most of the "buzz" was chatter about how absurd the format was.

4m buzz when announced:

http://www.4m.net/showthread.php?411395-Lucas

sorry about continuing to hijack this thread.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

4m buzz when announced:

http://www.4m.net/showthread.php?411395-Lucas

sorry about continuing to hijack this thread.

There was more support for it back then, than I expected. The week leading up to the race, all I read anywhere was that Thornton was the champ, no matter what happened, because it was absurd he could lose it

[ftfiowa]

2024 WoO roster confirmed:

1. 32 pierce
2. b5 sheppard
3. 3s/8 shirley
4. 40 bronson
5. 19r gustin
6. 9 hoffman
7. 30 cooney
8. 22 mclaughlin
9. 6jr martin
10. 20tc chamberlain
11. 14w walker
12. 97 dillard
13. 19 sorensen
14. ? overton

[macystv1300]

I was glad to see him win since it was obvious Ricky wasn't going to, but for Devin to even be in the running was nuts as he wasn't really a factor all year long.

[Raceready]

I was glad to see him win since it was obvious Ricky wasn't going to, but for Devin to even be in the running was nuts as he wasn't really a factor all year long.RTJ got maize wholed. pure and simple out of the championship that he most deservedly earned. . .

[ftfiowa]

as of now 14 WoO confirmed vs 9 LOLMDS. im guessing 1 o'neal will win the LOLMDS fairly easily. my pick is for b5 to win the WoO. WoO > LOLMDS in 2024 imo.

[HoosierDirtFan]

Dennis Erb Jr. will be back on the World Of Outlaws Late Model Series tour in the 28.

[ftfiowa]

2024 WoO Roster confirmed:

1. 32 pierce
2. b5 sheppard
3. 40b bronson
4. 3s shirley
5. 19r gustin
6. 9 hofffman
7. 28 erb jr
8. 97 dillard
9. 30 cooney
10. 14w walker
11. 20tc chamberlain ROY
12. 6jr martin ROY
13. 22 mclaughlin ROY
14. 19 sorensen ROY
15. ? overton ROY

[Kipimak]

Add B1 Brent Larson

[84wedge]

Not long ago they had what, 8 cars finish the tour?

[foxfire2dirtracing]

Last year they had 24 sign the bonus points agreement-14 ran all the races.
It will be no different this year- in my opinion.

[IL LM Fan]

Glad to see Erb added. Was getting concerned. He's been following WoO a long time.

[foxfire2dirtracing]

Dennis ran Lucas many years before going to WOO.

[Buford.Justice]

RTJ got maize wholed. pure and simple out of the championship that he most deservedly earned. . .

RTJ Won, Tee shirts coming soon!!!!

[ftfiowa]

2024 WoO roster confirmed:

1. 32 pierce
2. b5 sheppard
3. 40b bronson
4. 3s shirley
5. 9 hoffman
6. 19r gustin
7. 28 erb jr
8. B1 larson
9. 97 dillard
10. 30 cooney
11. 14w walker
12. 6jr martin ROY
13. 20tc chamberlain ROY
14. 22 mclaughlin ROY
15. 19 sorensen ROY
16. ? overton ROY

[Oiler]

That leaves Madden and English unconfirmed. In years that he ran the full tour, Madden has been runner up three times and third once. He hasn't won a lot at Eldora but does he make the jump to Lucas and aim to be in the top 4 come the DTWC and go for broke?

[Kipimak]

Add Tyler Bruening.

[ftfiowa]

2024 WoO roster confirmed:

1. 32 pierce
2. b5 sheppard
3. 40b bronson
4. 3s shirley
5. 9 hoffman
6. 19r gustin
7. 28 erb jr
8. B1 larson
9. 97 dillard
10. 16 bruening
11. 30 cooney
12. 14w walker
13. 6jr Martin ROY
14. 20tc chamberlain ROY
15. 22 mclaughlin ROY
16, 19 sorensen ROY
17. ? overton

[ftfiowa]

ok so does the b5 or anybody else have a chance against the 32 in 2024 to win the points?

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

ok so does the b5 or anybody else have a chance against the 32 in 2024 to win the points?

B5 certainly does

[smooth32]

ok so does the b5 or anybody else have a chance against the 32 in 2024 to win the points?I am a Pierce fan but Heck there are several guys that can win it. A little bad luck one way and a little good luck another can certainly changes things up.

[dirtcrazy4u]

Well let's talk how many of the tour followers are going to beat the 32 and the B5 ? Erb will get a few, other than that the rest will be racing for 5th on back. Will see how things shake out coming out of speedweeks.

WRG is definitely taking a hit with HL sprint cars going against there guys but they are definitely circling the wagons to get teams follow there slm schedule.

[Kipimak]

Chris Madden updated his 2024 schedule listing all the WOO shows.

[84wedge]

Well let's talk how many of the tour followers are going to beat the 32 and the B5 ? Erb will get a few, other than that the rest will be racing for 5th on back.Erb only got 1 last year after his Cinderella season. Heck, he only got 8 top 5's.

[foxfire2dirtracing]

Chris Madden’s website is still showing the 2023 season schedule.

[Thedoctor]

Shows 2024 when I look.

[foxfire2dirtracing]

We must babe looking at 2 different websites?
The one I see: if you look to the far right Collin- it shows finish position.
So I don’t know?

[Oiler]

Here's the link:

http://www.chrismadden44.com/schedule.html

If you happen to have his schedule paged saved or cached, do Ctrl-F5 to clear it then refresh the page. That usually fixes cached page issues.

[foxfire2dirtracing]

👍🏻 Thank you very much Oiler- I appreciate it!

[ftfiowa]

2024 WoO roster confirmed:

1. 32 pierce
2. 44 madden
3. b5 sheppard
4. 40b bronson
5. 3s shirley
6. 9 hoffman
7. 28 erb jr
8. 19r gustin
9. B1 larson
10. 97 dillard
11. 16 bruening
12. 30 cooney
13. 14w walker
14. 6jr martin ROY
15. 19 sorensen ROY
16. 20tc chamberlain
17. 22 mclaughlin
18. 97 overton

[84wedge]

2024 WoO roster confirmed:1. 32 pierce2. 44 madden3. b5 sheppard4. 40b bronson5. 3s shirley6. 9 hoffman7. 28 erb jr8. 19r gustin9. B1 larson10. 97 dillard11. 16 bruening12. 30 cooney13. 14w walker14. 6jr martin ROY15. 19 sorensen ROY16. 20tc chamberlain17. 22 mclaughlin18. ? overtonThat is a LOT of cars.

[ftfiowa]

cody overton will be a blue #97

[Highside Hustler25]

Tanner English should be on that list. He's starting out in Florida.

[fryefan]

Dirt-on-Dirt has an article on the WoO full-time drivers and they have added Daniel Hilsabeck (from Iowa). They said he announced today that he is following the series.

[ftfiowa]

2024 WoO roster confirmed:

1. 32 pierce
2. 44 madden
3. B5 sheppard
4. 40b bronson
5. 3s shirley
6. 9 hoffman
7. 28 erb jr
8. 19r gustin
9. B1 larson
10. 97 dillard
11. 16 bruening
12. 30 cooney
13. 14w walker
14. 22 hilsabeck ROY
15. 19 sorensen ROY
16. 6jr martin ROY
17. 20tc chamberlain ROY
18. 22 mclaughlin ROY
19. 97 overton ROY
20, 96 english

[Big Daddy 37]

Pretty sure I heard Rubin say Jimmy Owens also signed a commitment, when he was out for hotlaps.?.?

[Dlmfan123]

Tanner English should be on that list. He's starting out in Florida.He’s racing all of speedweeks and deciding what series to race after

[foxfire2dirtracing]

Is WOO doing that bonus point thing like last year: sign a commitment and pay the extra $$ for bonus championship points before they have the first race?

[Highside Hustler25]

Dlmfan123,
Everybody on this list falls into that category. Like Fox said, 20 guys payed for their 1st semester.

[Kipimak]

Add Ethan Dotson and David Breazeale per Ruben