I was referring to full tube frames. I am thinking I was told a few years ago is was Boscoe/Roscoe Lowe or could have been Smith. I just remember it wasn’t Rayburn, Ed Howe, Jig a low or those names more recognizable. I have slept a few nights since I asked him. He’s 87 and in the Hall of Fame at Florence- but I am really curious as to the correct answer.