Just curious to know if race fuel has dropped like gas at the pump??? Any info would be appreciated.
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Just curious to know if race fuel has dropped like gas at the pump??? Any info would be appreciated.
I bought a drum of VP for East Bay and It was the same price as last year. Not one cent less. Someone is cashing in for sure.
Dave
As of Monday drum of vp. Late model plus $725
By reading this forum I thought it was open motors and soft tires that were hurting the sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by Racer96m
it is hard enough to race without being ripped off . But we all know theQuote:
Originally Posted by hitmanscrew
price of fuel is down . And for the fuel distributors to clearly rob the
racers , is pure greed . Everyone knows that the price of fuel is way down,
and no adjustment from ( vp) or < sunoco > if there is a way to screw us
its the big company every time . So if there is a way anyone can find it
cheaper post it , i doubt it . But lets keep putting out there so all can see .
Vp / sunoco whats up with the greed .
Idk about that. from 1992 until 2008-09 the price was $4-$7 a gallon at the track. At $725 for 54 gallons it's 13.42 now, bulk 54 gallon price. That's quite an increase. I will say that it hasn't been as volatile day to day or week to week..... just a slow steady increase.Quote:
Originally Posted by stock car driver
I dont expect it to go down , i am pointing out the greed just goes up , and i have beenQuote:
Originally Posted by stock car driver
buying a long time , it has gone up . Just fighting for the racer , When the the race teams
keep dropping out , racin buy your self wont be much fun . any help to lower the price of
racing for all racers is what i am for . I dont know if you get your fuel from a sponsor .
but all i see is greed.
As original posted...just curious if anyone has heard about fuel price. Not looking for your resume stock car driver. Plenty of guys race out of pocket
This might be a silly question but what are the big difference between regular gas and race gas yes I know octane but I am talking other componats
In about 1978 when we were forced to start using racing fuel, because Sunoco quit selling 104 at the pump, Cam 2 or Union 76 was what everyone used. It was close to 3 bucks a gallon in 1978. That was when regular gas was less than a dollar. Racing fuel has never spiked up when regular gas did, and probably wont come down much with regular either. I run 93 octane in my 415 LS engine. It makes a little over 620 hp. It sure beats paying $11 for VP I was using in a motor that made 600hp I was running 3 years ago. At 10 gallons a night, it is about 80 to 90 dollars a night cheaper. That will pay for a freshen up in a season.
Pretty sure we pay $440 for a drum and it's been that way the past 4-5 years, and as far I know price is the same for this season.
Well i do have to admit i have a very big roush yates engine by Andy Durham . I likeQuote:
Originally Posted by stock car driver
steak , but i dont want to have to pay no more than i have to . Like u said Dumb azzes
that dont speak up dont get the oil. i will complain as much as it takes , I like oil , i also
like good barbecue . KNUFF SAID .
I have switched to E85 and have had great success. When I had motor on dyno last spring I ran it on VP , alcohol and E85. The motor made the same horsepower as gas but 12 foot pounds more torque, Alcohol was better both ways by a small amount. I get my fuel at the station and am paying on average $1.69. Best move I ever made had Prosystem build the carburetor and at the time Patrick told me that any Saturday night racer not running it is (not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word) fool! LOL
Real consistent after first of May will always be E85 or a little more maybe 86 or 87. I have a number of stations close to me within 20 miles. I get 110 gal at end of season and keep in heated garage over winter to start the season. Right not E85 here in Indiana is $1.29 a gallon. According to Patrick at Pro Systems it can get down to E80 before you have to make a jet change.Quote:
Originally Posted by stock car driver
I run about 12 gallon of fuel for hot laps, 10 lap heat and 20 lap feature. That equals $20.28 per night in fuel. It runs just a tick warmer than alcohol but a bunch cooler than gas. I ran gas for years. My burn off is around 6 gal for a feature. It burns about 33% more than gas but 67% less than alcohol.
What kind of engine are you running 4time? Is it a crate, or an open motor? I have been wanting to try E85, but have heard horror stories about the mixture. What do you do when it is early in the year, and you are getting E70? Is there a place that you can get pure ethanol to bring the mixture back up to E85? Just curious.
I am running an open 404 cubic inch motor with CNC ported heads static compression is 13.6 to 1. I had absolutely zero problems from the start as I said earlier call Patrick at Pro Systems he will walk you through it, he is no more expensive than anyone else I believe the carb was $780. I run a good mechanical pump (clay smith the inventor of the six valve pump) with a dead head regulator at 8lbs pressure no bypass. I get 110 gal at the end of the year and put in the heated garage for the next spring and by the time it is gone the good stuff is back the 1st of May.Quote:
Originally Posted by HEAVY DUTY
stock car I am running because of cost the way I figure it if I have a bad night my brother and I pit pass at 30 each with $20 dollar of fuel I break even. it pays $75 too start. But all that aside it is a very good fuel for what I am doing and the cooling is zero problem for me too I run a double pas radiator and have two rows of tape to keep it at 190 it runs the best there.
I also like the feel of it. This is kind of hard to explain but it runs like gasoline but feels like alcohol made not sound right but it just gives you that feeling of wamo when you smash the throttle if you have to turn the car with the rear.
I will never switch back for sure found what I like and saves me money too.
Call him if you don't believe me have no reason to lie and IF you tell him exactly what you have down to cam heads intake headers and such you will not touch it when you get it home he IS that good. Murder Nova, Big Daddy and the Crow car all run his carbs. Oh and they perform he owns more world records with his stuff than any other carb manufacture. Bloomquest has run them as well as Owens but those guys change to whoever will give them stuff and he wont do it. Patrick is a fluid engineer from MIT and he races also Drag and SCCA although he is hurt right now he had a bad crash in his Camaro.Quote:
Originally Posted by stock car driver
Yes I have the exact same carb in gas and alcohol and E85,have been running the exact same combination for probably 15 years. I have been using his stuff since 1998. He builds all his own metering blocks also no revamped crap. Mine are a 4150 main body blank. Patrick is a racer for the racers and he knows his stuff, I have never so much as adjusted the idle air on mine when I get it back from him and I know if I ever have too something is wrong. Back to the E85 I think for sure if you like gas you will love E85 it is the best of both worlds and will also save you a ton of money.
You are off on burn off it is only 33% more than gas and 67% less than alcohol. I never mix fuel it is absolutely not necessary not even for bracket racers but hey each to there own I wont ever change back for sure not for Saturday night 20 lap features. All of my fuel here in Indiana is very consistent from the first of May until the first of October. If the ones you knew of went back to alcohol at $4.50 a gal and burn 67% more must have more money than sense. It is good for me that's all I care about don't care if anyone else uses it or not.
Have a nice day Stock car last time I respond to your stupidity on here. I don't give a xxxk what you run, your numbers are way off or maybe you run a little motor on a little track greased slick with no throttle and are on a 2 barrel. So stupid just as every one else says.
Heavy Duty give me a call you have my number Jimmy Owens used to stay with me when he was running Mods. I would PM but yours is full.
At your figures your using 1 gal of gas for every 10 laps my god you better go to nascar you have found the secret to fuel mileage. LOL more ignorance LOL
4time,
I emptied my mailbox out. Leave me your number. I use 6 or 7 gals of gas in a feature. I usually use 12 in a night. On alcohol I went thru 25 or more. An open motor would use more than a crate. I believe that the BSFC is or has a lot to do with how HP is figured. More fuel and air make a bigger explosion, which makes more power. That is why more airflow on one head will make more power than another.
Last season we started with a drum of race e85 at 310 a barrel once we used it we went with pump e85.It checked dead on the money all season long it averaged around 2$ a gallon all summer long.We can buy 10 gallons for 20$. 110 at the track is right at 10$ a gallon.We use it it a claimer type lift rule motor with a 600 vaccum secoandry Holley.The motor was good on gas but e 85 really woke it up.I have not drove it on track but have drove it on the road in front of my dads house it is much smoother and gives you the feeling he is talking about when you mash on it.We start with race e 85 because they claim the winter mix will be like e 70 I have not checked it myself but will this year.We will never go back. One more note Brad Hibbard said they saw no HP difference between renagade e85 which we used and pump e85
Race fuel prices are more dependent on chemical prices than gasoline prices. But in Florida, Renegade has actually lowered their race fuel prices, and they were already the lowest priced race fuel.
Now there is a answer i was and others was looking for , not some dumb azz that thinkQuote:
Originally Posted by Mike Croley
they know it all and continues to run a mouth like a dumb azz to the tread wanting to know
if the price is coming down .
donnie we have a run 370 on E85 with no issues, had to get bigger carb to make it work. I work with builder in MN and have had zero issue. I have a test kit for the fuel out of the pump, but have never seen the mixture drop below the acceptable limits. Love it and would not switch. Get the right crab guy and the E85 deal is the way to go. There are some places that will sell E98 to rich up the % but you have to find the right place. It also depends on where you buy it. I dont start getting fuel until April and I have not seen an issue even as late as Nov with the mixture.Quote:
Originally Posted by HEAVY DUTY
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Croley
Well thats what i wanted to know , when add who are lowering prices, and when
stocks and fuel go down , like i said squekin wheel gets the oil . i mean i look for the
best prices .
When they build you a carb at Pro Systems never make any adjustments without a phone call. Best thing to do is go to their site and fill out a build sheet and send it to them. They can go from there and fit you with a price.
I saw last week E85 here in MI was .92 a gallon. The price for regular 87 was like $1.40 something . That's straight up E85 all the time.
MI Dirt Fan I agree if you have to make adjustment he is a simple phone call and always answers or returns cal promptly.
I do not believe I would be calling people names. Read what you wrote and then call your state Senator and demand a refund for your education.Quote:
Originally Posted by ALLDIRT
I was just replying to quote # 14 . And if i wanted to smell old air i would have asked you .Quote:
Originally Posted by oldfart50
my educations just fine , as i own a salvage yard , two car lots , and a horse stables.
that pays for my late model , modified . I was looking for lower fuel bills , Thats how i became
to own the things i have . not just a bench racer thats a internet junkie that just reads post
and throws his 2 cents in.