Has Eldora lost its Luster or Magic? I mean 27 late models, 27 mods, 19 stocks for $24? Thats not good. Thats why I did not go. Used to get over 100 cars in 3 classes.
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Has Eldora lost its Luster or Magic? I mean 27 late models, 27 mods, 19 stocks for $24? Thats not good. Thats why I did not go. Used to get over 100 cars in 3 classes.
Did you think about cost for teams. Not as many late models around as there where years ago either.
There's not enough meat on the bone for anymore than what cars than what showed up. The days of seeing 50 late models for 5k are very rare anywhere. Paying 1000 to win in mods is also a joke.
They had a very solid field for 5k.
You don't suppose they need to generate revenue don't you. They are in business to make money.Quote:
Originally Posted by latemodelman
That’s not bad at all. Nowhere is getting 50-70 cars for $2-$5k.Quote:
Originally Posted by latemodelman
Car counts are low everywhere. And there’s many more races paying the same or more to choose from these days. No real point for anyone with a long drive to go unless they just want some practice before Dream week. I would pay $24 anytime to watch the field of drivers that did show up tonight. Just my .02 cents.
I think they did ok?
Kryptonite17,
Opinion and opinion only ----- The races really weren’t that good, other than Moran’s move from the back. My other comments are in the other Eldora thread.
Unfortunately Rice and Strickler breaking tonight probably also led to your disappointment. Even on a top dominant track they would’ve put on a show.
If late models are only $5000. to win, mods should not be anymore than $1000. to win. The higher purses in mods is one of the reasons a lot of drivers do not move up into the late models from the mods.Quote:
Originally Posted by zyoung25
The sad fact is there just arent that many dirt late models in existence anymore compared to the glory years of car counts you always mention latemodelman. That ship sailed a long time ago. Here is what I see on Dirtondirt from last night's late model races across the country. I thought it was fine. Not sure what more really expected?
Merritt had 28 cars for 10,000 to win.
Cherrokee had 22 cars for 7,500 to win
Eldora had 27 cars for 5,000 to win
SPoon River had 27 cars for 5,000 to win
Tyler County had 18 cars for 5,000 to win
Wythe had 27 cars for 5,000 to win
Rome had 23 cars for 4,000 to win
Tazwell had 20 for 3,000 to win
It basically amounted to an Eldora weekly show. The car counts were better than most weekly shows everywhere else.
[QUOTE=dirtracer12m;2395691]The sad fact is there just arent that many dirt late models in existence anymore compared to the glory years of car counts you always mention latemodelman. That ship sailed a long time ago. Here is what I see on Dirtondirt from last night's late model races across the country. I thought it was fine. Not sure what more really expected? Merritt had 28 cars for 10,000 to win.Cherrokee had 22 cars for 7,500 to winEldora had 27 cars for 5,000 to winSPoon River had 27 cars for 5,000 to winTyler County had 18 cars for 5,000 to winWythe had 27 cars for 5,000 to winRome had 23 cars for 4,000 to winTazwell had 20 for 3,000 to winGreat post also duck river 4000 to win.
I disagree... Costs are huge to run up front in a modified right now and they are running for significantly smaller purses than late models.Quote:
Originally Posted by TBSprintFan
Shut for a year. I’m sure that didn’t help Eldora.
We can't help it guys turned a claimer engine class into a LM with junk tires.Quote:
Originally Posted by Action10
Racers will go broke to win if they are allowed to. Always have and probably always will...Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterSbilt_Racer
A lot have bigger wallet than capacity to learn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Action10
Always been that way, in racing and lots of other so called “hobbies”.Quote:
Originally Posted by Action10
LM have a lot of options where to race now. Costs of traveling are part of it. Also this Sunday night race was two weeks before the dream weekend in stead of one. Many teams would travel in for this race and stay the week for the dream.
Simply put, there are a lot of LM's out there, but there is also a lot more options for races. To a certain degree its cost of travel vs racing closer to home. LM racing is in fine shape. I could care less if a race gets 70/80 cars vs 40/50 as long as they have top guys coming to the show
No it hasn’t. It’s an entire sport problem, not just Eldora.
And that is exactly what has happened. Plus with there narrow tires and all that horsepower they rut up a track a lot faster.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterSbilt_Racer
Lol, too fukin true. So I have first hand knowledge of the class. Starting in 94’. My Dad had been out of racing for about 6 years. Still had his supplies, just no car. Bill Cunningham in NE Ohio was selling his EMod. Yes, they called them EMods. And they were. He coulda bought Bill’s car, I think minus the motor for like $5500 I think it was. Whatever the reason, he changed his mind. I wish he hadn’t, I know he missed it, but he did. And Bill was a front runner, and had a good car. I just think my Dad didn’t want to put in the time and money, because then that’d mean no fishing.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterSbilt_Racer
My brother got into the class in about 04’ I think. In a ThrowNDirt chassis. Then he went with a local guys crap car, had Joel Watson make it half decent. Then finally in 16’ he got a complete Mars car. They have been great to him, AJ, Chris, Jimmy, all of them. He has a new car for this year. Some of them people won’t let you use your stuff, Mars doesn’t care and gets it. My brother gets a good bit of stuff at cost through Summit, that’s his employer.
And the only reason he can race, my Dad paid for the start up, and now with him gone, my brother only affords it because he lives at home. The cost are insane. Shocks, tranny, motor, rearend, nuts. They are UMP now, so they are on that tire. We shall see.
But it’s darn near a late model with an 8” tire and 600-750ish horsepower.
After read some more good comment in both Eldora threads, it has me thinking, again, what I‘ve already stated.
Maybe its simply just ME, and the 45 or so years of my involvement during the evolution of nowadays DLM’s as a “race vehicle” has passed ME by. The big noses, bigger bodies, aero, shock packages and the such. And the cars just don’t race like they once did. Maybe its just ME.
Who else pays 125 thousand to win twice a week try that out for luster.
Lurker,
I've been working on these things for 35 years. It's become a love/hate thing. They are not the same as they were. The more aero and engine dependent they become, the more I hate them.
Thanks MasterSbilt_Racer
Eldora has no locals anymore, that is the big reason for the weak car count. After the Dreams, there will not be another late model race all summer, eldora doesnt race late models all summer. the next late model race after the dreams is the baltes classic in Spetember, let that sink in! For some reason Eldora has been standing always being fast. When Eldora is fast the late models run one fast groove all the way around the track, no passing, boring racing. But lets be honest, Eldora is not really about the racing anyways, its about the atmosphere and the drinking. Like I have said before, widen and take a lot of banking out of 3 and 4 and the races will be phenominal, less wear and tear on cars, more cars will show up! And complaining about modifieds purse is ridiculous, Until Lucas, WOO and UMP reign in the teams willing to spend a million to make a dime, the sport will continue to lose drivers, low car counts and less fans. I know Eldora will have big crowds for the dream and world, but the first 2 late model races had a weak fan turnout. Waynesfield is 35 miles away had 360 sprints and non wings sprints and had almost a full house.
I’d like to see another track pull the driver talent that Eldora had for a $5k race.
The 2017 Appleseed only had 16 Late Models there. Its nothing new to have lack luster Late Model counts for the events not called Dream or World 100.
Even the Dream and World 100 are different than they used to be. The late model world doesn't stop those weekends anymore so everyone can go to those races.
I personally miss the old format qualifying and non qualifiers on Friday. With that said I know times have changed drastically the days of 150-200+ cars are gone. Anymore there’s not even enough cars for the non qualifier.
Have been running late models for over 30 years (and dad raced them for years before that). When I started, you had a chance to actually make the World (or thought you did) with a little luck and effort; it now requires a very expensive engine and chassis. Progress has taken away the chance to use equipment that may be a little 'sub par' and have a shot. Nature of the beast, personally liked driving the older cars but don't see them taking the bodies away anytime soon. Would be a start though...
All the local tracks that were in my area at the time did. Then eventually no one went then they were added to the weekly schedule. Seems like it was around 2005 or 2006 maybe a few yrs later Oakshade started to run a no points night against the Dream or WorldQuote:
Originally Posted by Action10
BirkyATS I agree. I wish they would run the old format once a decade or something just for those of us who remember it and enjoyed it. Nothing like getting that heat race lineup sheet on Saturday morning back in the day! I think the change in format also has led to the decline in cars. If you drew a good number and got out early you could get a fast lap in and a good starting spot you might at least have a chance to finish in the top 3 of a heat. Now with all the added racing it’s much harder on smaller budget teams to feel like they have a chance to even make the show. And yes I know more racing is good for the fans I’m fine with that too. Lots of good posts on this thread!
things are starting to repeat 08-10 after record car counts the few years before. Wishfully the lower car counts would cause revisions to get more players back in the game but sadly a hand full of people control late model racing and that wont happen. And to add to that i dont think most folks realize how close all of motorsports is to being out of parts. Youre lucky to find off the shelf stuff now and if you need something custom its a month or 2 wait minimum
The only thing Eldora lost was fans as far as car counts u cannot expect a big turnout of cars for 5k up it another 5k and u will see a few more cars tires, fuel for car and tractor pulling it is a lot of out of pocket expense unless u are willing to dig in your pockets and dish out some cash than it's best to leave it alone.