Does anyone what the clips are selling for at southwest speed, I can't even find them on they're web page, andi saw where afco was selling them as well. Can't find any info on them either,, or where a person could find one
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Does anyone what the clips are selling for at southwest speed, I can't even find them on they're web page, andi saw where afco was selling them as well. Can't find any info on them either,, or where a person could find one
You have to call southwest speed. They don't list them online nor in their catalog. Don't know about afco but it's probably the same.
Have any idea how much?Quote:
Originally Posted by Confused?
Unassembled, around $600 plus shipping, I think
If you don't have a pretty elaborate jig, you don't need to try and put one together. They are way off in some places, and have to be slotted and sleeved to get right. About 12 hrs to do right, after having a jig and lots of practice.
I was quoted $949 retail from AFCO. What can possibly take 12 hours to do? Only measurements critical at all are lower a arm mount locations and steering box location and idler arm location. Upper A arm mounts and etc etc etc etc locations all discretionary to each chassis builder. not building a real chevelle car out of them where the body mounts etc. have to be in correct place to put real street car together and have the General Motors parts bolt up to it. Video from PRI at the AFCO display says they snap together then you weld them up.
I was referring to the kits from Southwest Speed. Have no idea about the Afco kits.
I've built five of these kits without a jig and none of them took anywhere close to 12 hours. A jig does make much easier because of the amount of "massaging" required. They are not for the novice fabricators though.
The one Heavy Duty welded on my brothers new car looks great, and I'm gonna have to take his word on it, his cars are very nice.
From what I saw at PRI of the Afco units, and if what Rex with Afco says they are, they will snap and bolt together, and make things a lot easier
The current Southwest Speed units are not real close to a chevelle unless you do a lot of fabrication . They resemble one, but that's about it.
IF I remember correctly,HEAVY DUTY'S jig is based off a dimensionally perfect GM Chevelle clip.
If I had to have a Chevelle, I would much rather have one from Heavy Duty. But , I am not a fan of Chevelle's, so I will stick with his Metric front end cars.
Ive heard larry shaw sells them weld out
I bought one from Shaw in 2015 that was already assembled and paid 950 dollars plus 100$ shipping to the Duel in the desert in Vegas. A friend was there and brought in back to northern Nevada for me. JMO
I always thought the after market ones (Chevelle) were a lot weaker. Not sure of all the advantages of chevelle over metric, they both win races. just thought so many people used chevelle and the metric depleting, would like to fine a good after market clip. At a decedent price. Who is heavy duty?
Heavy Duty is Don Adams owner/builder of Lightning Chassis, you wont meet a nicer guy in racing.Quote:
Originally Posted by hanginitout
Afco is owned by speedway, all they do is send everything to china to be copied... I doubt the Afco one is any different or better than the sw speed clip since most likely they sent a sw speed clip to be copied.
they all have the indentions built in for assembly oem and sw speed....
IF AFCO supposedly added something different you would think pictures would be all over about it.
The AFCO clip is completely different from the SWS clip. The crossmember has been narrowed up for radiator clearance, and the hump outside of the spring bucket has been flattened out for shock clearance. I haven't put one together yet, but they claim that they are doing it in 4 hrs.
Those two changes have been advertised I wouldnt consider that completely different, that saves you a hour of cutting and plating. Until someone chimes in who has had their hands on one I guess we wont know.Quote:
Originally Posted by HEAVY DUTY
I have a Really good Barry Wright chassis late model has very low laps, want to make a mod out of it. I have metric clip, was going to try and find a Chevelle. But like i said i think the metric id just as good. but a friend of mine wanted to put a chevelle on it what do you'll think?
I'm still trying to figure out why a mod has to run these clips. There's nothing stock about any of it. Speaks volumes about the people writing the rule book!
I agree, they seem so much weaker too. But it makes them feel good i guess. Somewhere GM has to have a jig in storage and the stamp.. but a properly configured tube chassis with the pick up point where they are supposed to be seem to be the best. Heck these cars are late model on 8" tires now any how. I think I'll go with the metric. What do you think ??? Thank you allQuote:
Originally Posted by Brian Gray
They do have one,,Howe has a fab clip ready to weld on..all the correct suspension points,springs plated, and cleared.In fact if you want to buy a new Howe mod dirt or asphalt you need to supply them with a clip so they have something to add to there stock..I think they are tired of running the junk yards..It also has two locations sleeved on each side so that the weight is bolted into the same place on all of them to match that of a Chevelle.
I bet they will never approve that one. these after market chevelle clips are weak. not saying that they should with stand a huge crash but i was hit with a tire in the left front twisted the left horn down as if turning your arm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wizard 05
The Howe clip HAS been approved at Some Michigan tracks that I know of..They are all looking to the future of not having any good old clips VS the cheap kits that can be tweaked any which way you want..They are all serial numbered as well. I also believe that Port City now offers a fab clip for mods as well.
Need to make there way south and west.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wizard 05
because it would obsolete thousands of cars with one stroke of the pen. I have an old DW11 probably built in 07 or 08 and i won races in it 2 years ago. These cars haven't changed all that much just the setups have.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian Gray
Technical inspection is costly, time consuming, overburdening.
Stock clips or not, without the ability to properly check race cars at the track after the race cheaply and easily any rules written anywhere for any class relies heavily on the honest racer factor. Money and pretige are the main factors on why we do this which opens the door to fudging the rules so whether aftermarket or tube clips the issue remains or even possibly gets worse.
GM didn't make the clips meant for race cars so some tolerance is already built in but I think asking a racer to leave it alone aside from removal of minor stuff will net a fairer result than asking the racer to build from scratch and build in all the compromises themselves. I don't feel like either is a good solution but I don't have a better one either aside from having one or two approved manufactures put these things together but that's going to raise the costs that are already having a negative effect on racing at that same time.
I would say, that i have to agree with you. After hearing it put that way. for good point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lizardracing
The crossmember has been narrowed up for radiator clearance, and the hump outside of the spring bucket has been flattened out for shock clearance.
Thanks, i heard they're pretty pricey too. I have a metric stub.Quote:
Originally Posted by amish119