What are they doing?
https://racexr.com/super-late-models...PrAcsZtg_L_qw8
What are they doing?
https://racexr.com/super-late-models...PrAcsZtg_L_qw8
I can't wait for this gimmick to go away.
I'm sure they will tie a huge bonus again to attendance, I just cant imagine "the biggest SLM drivers" in the country passing up Eldora $125K to win for this. There are so many other dates to choose from, sheesh.
I thought Volusia was the fastest half mile
What makes a legitimate event(s) a gimmick?
This dude obviously has no business skills. Scheduling on top of high profile national events makes it a gimmick. Why would you even do that to yourself? He has no respect for the sport or anybody in it. It's been obvious what XR is trying to do since day 1. We've seen this song and dance before, no way will XR be a main stay in super late model competition IMO. Texas was a cluster buck, ask the teams that went. The rules changed on the fly. Will there be any national teams left to support him after Vegas? Belleville probably will get cars, but they will be regional guys who were never going to Eldora anyway. It'll be a Malvern Bank field and good for regional teams who don't get to race for that kind of money normally, that's the only positive. By the time June rolls around, all eyes will be on Eldora.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedforLM$peed
This track length conversation has been had many times over without resolution. I've attended both Volusia and The Belleville High Banks many times and Volusia has the appearance of being a bit shorter in length as compared to Belleville. I've measured them both on Google Earth and Volusia measured .43 and Belleville measured .51. If I can believe my own eyes and Google Earth VSP is not a true half mile, but that is only my observation.
Back on topic, I very much hope The High Banks can make a go of this event. Belleville is a very nice little town and the racetrack/fairgrounds is a main focal point of the community much like the racetrack/fairgrounds is the main focal point of Fairbury, Illinois. During the North Central Kansas Free Fair and the Belleville Midget Nationals that was traditionally run during the fair it was clearly apparent that the town and surrounding community of Belleville, Kansas is 100% behind the racing activities. Might even plan on making the 9 hour trip out to Kansas for this one!
Personally, I don't see a problem with it. As the previous poster indicated it will give drivers who were probably not going to Eldora anyway a chance to make some good money. Also, from a fan standpoint, it gives fans in that region who are not going to Eldora anyway, a good paying race to watch.
You won't get the Moran's, Bloomquists, Davenports, Stricklers, etc to forgo Eldora
It is clearly obvious to all that the premier events staged at Eldora are going to get the most attention by teams and interested spectators, alike. But again, I've been to both tracks many times and when it comes to shear bad-ass Eldora takes a back seat to The High Banks hands down. No possible way will Belleville hurt The Dream in regards to quantity of spectators or quality of participants. I know very little of the group that is to promote the deal at The High Banks but when all the lore of the facility, track and the partying is peeled away Belleville compares quite favorably to Eldora, without the dust and glazing over and/or rubbering up of the track.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pennsboro32
Racers are dumb. Look at all the cars that drove by Knoxville to get to Texas to chase the cash there! Arguably the 2nd most popular dirt track in the country and a race that use to mean something. Sure they complain about Texas but racers are also forgetful when you dangle money in front of them.
Soon, The Dream will be just like Knoxville Nationals, The Pittsburgher and others are now and just another 35 to 40 car Lucas Oil race.
Eldora will have the drivers, the prestige, the fans, the legacy, etc. I also know that FLO Racing will knock it out of the park with their broadcast. No knocks on Belleville, I've heard nothing but good things about it. Would love to experience the speed of the place one day. My gripe is with the XR crew and ring leader, and while Belleville doesn't hurt Eldora, there has to be some sort of level of respect for events such as the World, Dream, Knoxville, North/South, DTWC, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by CIRF
You make a couple of very compelling points, fryefan.Quote:
Originally Posted by fryefan
My intent is not to demean the point you're making but if the tables were turned do you really believe Stewart would have the least bit of respect for any of the events you mentioned? The answer to that question is obvious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pennsboro32
As I said, I know nothing of the promotional group handling the Belleville event but if they can make a go of it then more power to them. I for one might just take a ride out to Kansas to attend this event since we've never witnessed dirt late models at The High Banks. It'll give us an opportunity and give us cause to spend time reuniting and hanging with friends from the Midget Nationals days!!
Did I miss something or are you pulling a major line out of your back side? Please, step away from the bottle.....Quote:
Originally Posted by dirty-white-boy
It's well known that white boy is an extreme over exaggerator.Quote:
Originally Posted by Action10
The fact that the press release include the statement that they expect to attract the biggest late model drivers in the country tells me someone is butt hurt. XR wouldn't even let Flo/DoD show a race recap on their site like they do for every other big LM race in the country. I don't know the back story but the scheduling almost seems intentional. I agree with the other posters that its far enough away where not a big deal but someone definitely wants to cause a stir.
How so? Debate me!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Pennsboro32
The Dream had 63 cars this year (another big race with declining car count). Take a dozen away its down to 50 which is possible when XR does what they do, it makes someone else down south say yea I can do that too, Im putting up 20k to win and so on. Take 20 cars away which is very possible and its just another race in the world of Dirt Late Models that happens to pay 6 figures. Remember, 6 figures used to be a big deal but its really not anymore.
Of course its intentional! As was putting 50k against Knoxville. And 50k against Brownstown.Quote:
Originally Posted by LM1
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Originally Posted by dirty-white-boy
The car counts were down at Eldora because some teams did not want to be there for 4 days. Add in the tire problems, etc and you have what you have. Next season, I'd imagine it'll go back to 3 days and the car count to what it was two years ago.
The XR event isn't going to pull more than 3-4 cars away from Eldora. That event will be made up of Kansas/Missouri/Oklahoma/Nebraska drivers that weren't going to Eldora in the first place. There's your debate.
I got a Benjamin and a Florence Watertower bobble head that says you are wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pennsboro32
Has Belleville ever run a LM event?Quote:
Originally Posted by CIRF
If a portion of the XR groups' objective is to disrespect Stewart and his dusty, glazed over/rubbered-up track prep (I'll bet a buck or two right now that The High Banks won't be dusty, glazed over or rubbered up) then so be it and I'm all for it. In all probability the attempt at disrespect will fall flat but the perceived intent is admirable, nonetheless! If disrespect overshadows the desire to make money then whatever economic consequences come their way is earned. I hardly believe that to be the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pennsboro32
I am good friends with several people that live in Belleville, Kansas who stand to monetarily benefit from this event and I very much hope they do! Who the promoter is or their motive for scheduling it the weekend that they did is of no concern.
I'm not sure why you keep quoting me talking about track prep. I haven't mentioned track prep one time. None of my argument has anything to do with track prep.Quote:
Originally Posted by CIRF
However, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see what this XR guy is doing. He's already scheduled on top of Eldora, Lucas, WoO/WRG, FLO. He's not making any friends. There's not enough room for XR at the table.
Yes they have TDRacing. It's been a while, though. IIRC the last time DLM's ran at The High Banks was 2008. I do know for sure that Billy Moyer Sr. holds the SDLM track record.
I'll try to clear it up for you. You're the one who is holding all things Eldora in the highest esteem and other than the lore, the history and the party there is little that is superior to Belleville. I mention track prep because it warrants disrespect by whoever is dishing it out and I'm sure the Belleville track will be far superior in that regard. I've attended both facilities many times. Have you? I didn't think so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pennsboro32
If this event Belleville event doesn't interest you and you have no monetary stake in either event then it's puzzling as to why the disdain and concern for your perceived lack of respect by the promoter. Did this XR outfit piss in your breakfast cereal? LOL!
Guy is an idiot, yeah I’ll say it.
Eldora was really good on Saturday of the World 100. Guys are just so equal. Cushion, moisture, etc.
I don’t think it’s a terrible idea IF you do what Flo is doing and schedule them NOT against bigger races.
It will flop, the names will be at Eldora.
I wouldn’t bash Belleville, I know it’s a good joint. Just as I still see Eldora as a great place. But good fukin luck.
If I was Tony, $300k to win, $10k to start, F off.
Still not sure how it's a gimmick. A gimmick is a trick or device intended to attract attention, publicity or business. The tracks aren't an hour apart and one event pays $75k more. Let the drivers and owners decide. I say "Race On".
Look at the money they just put up for 8 nights at Bristol!
They are the AirBnB of Dirt right now, big disrupter!
CIRF, I've always thought you were one of the better posters on here. Not sure what your problem is today but I've got time to bite.Quote:
Originally Posted by CIRF
It would be no different than someone scheduling on top of one of your beloved "crown jewel" sprint car races. Lets use the Knoxville nationals for example, how well would it be perceived if some moron out east ran a $50,000 to win show against the 410 Knoxville Nationals? I'm going to assume not real well.
As far as Eldora, I'll never deny my love for that place. I've been going there for 23 years. I'm only 30. I don't have to tell you how important Eldora is to DLM racing. I also don't know how we got on the subject of track prep, especially since I never once mentioned it, heck I'd agree it hasn't been the best lately. That doesn't take away the fact it's Eldora. I not once downgraded Belleville's track. I even said I'd love to go some day. Have I been? No, considering it's better than 15 hours away. Thanks for throwing that little elbow in there even though I'm not sure why it was needed. One doesn't have to attend a track to discuss the ramifications of scheduling on top of big time events.
I don't know how much you keep up with the DLM landscape (clearly not as much as some) so let me lay it out for you like I'm teaching a child. It's not smart to schedule on top of events, especially considering the events that they're scheduling against. It's not just Eldora, it was Knoxville, among others, and there's more coming. Eldora will be fine, I'm not worried about that, but the other events they're running on top of could cause problems. You've admitted you don't know the current XR group and that's obvious, I'll leave it at that, just do a little research before you fire at me.
Pretty hard to compare Bellville to Eldora for track prep when Bellville hasn't hosted a SLM race in nearly 15 years. Track prep for other divisions is very different.
And noone is knockings the idea, the track, the town or the race. Its simply wild to me to schedule on top of the Dream and then say you are going to pull in the best SLM drivers in the country.
I think the Dream has become a race that you can schedule against, its the race at Eldora that not everyone goes to anymore. Scheduling against the World, used to be taboo, and UMP would basically shut you down for it.
I dont see this as a big deal. Its just more money for a team to win on the weekend. Hopefully a lower funded team gets the big payout, some of those little teams deserve it. Look at Joseph Joiner for example...50K to that team is amazing. Just think if a Tony Jackson, Jr., Mason Oberkramer, Tyler Bruening, Tad Pospisil, or someone like that takes home 50K?
This just means we get two big shows to watch on the big screen
Car counts have declined whether or not a race is scheduled against it. Majority that used to go just to go and say they tried to make the main event are out spent and look for other events.
I think it is awesome to have another 50k race so far away and help some other drivers earn money. This race event will be huge for that community, track, and drivers in the tegion. Say what you want about the XR deal but it cool to add so many high paying events to places that don't normally have late models. The more money for drivers the better IMO
Another thing. If this creates competion and forces Eldora to keep upping there purses then that is a good thing!!!
I agree with that. Could be a very good thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by thexfactor0210
This is what I'm trying to figure out. Trying to compare apples to oranges isn't an argument. Strange concept.Quote:
Originally Posted by raburke23
Race XR is butt hurt and intentionality scheduling against big events because certain tracks wouldn't work with him due to his untrustworthiness.
Look at racexr.com for their 2022 schedule. HUGE money. Big streaming money and they are putting it back in.
Only if it pays better for second on back alsoQuote:
Originally Posted by thexfactor0210
I never understood bashing people such as Cody Sommer or the people putting on these racexr events. They're the ones putting there money and reputation on the line to hold unique events. If you can do better then start up something yourself.