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gee all the folks on this post/board are liars too and no one is cheating up crate engines like SCD says http://www.outsidegroove.com/forum/index.php?topic=12741.0

so really what this amounts to is that if you are gonna say anything bad about crates, you better have pictures or sworn statements otherwise according to SCD its all lies and made mud slinging.

you can come on here and say people are not cheating up crates but you cant prove that either, whatever, go by you another crate for all I care. The point is that the reason the crates are winning...

no better or worse then your dying allegiance to the crate. the question is already answered for me enjoy the crates, got no issues other than the sanctions and tracks bending rules to support he...

where there is smoke there is fire. SCD why dont you try proving to us that crates are not being sold cheated up for 11to 13k ? then on top of all this there are IMCA tracks grooming the track to...

I dont know you claim to be the crate expert on here you tell us why the big teams are buying numerous engines and dynoing them and selling the rest ? I doubt they are doing it for fun. If there is...

The crate deal is causing issues, I know of one place up north where a top running crate is somehow turning 8k...they blamed the msd box, and changed it out...but I dont buy it. Also hearing about...

need all the track going that we can get especiallly those that dont run crates.

Matt, did they run on Sat ? and what kind of mod count did they have ? hoping for the best, last year they were welcoming and tried to put one a good show when were there, but track was a serious...

thanks ! for the tips, looking at used one car looks well built

Hi looking for info on these cars, PM me or post on here, looking at used one and wondering what they are like tech support etc. thanks !

Don't confuse things with facts, ump supporters don't like that. Numerous top racers complained and thus UMP pulled the tire. If it was so great they would have stuck to their guns.

lmao here are the fact read slowly so you are not confused your blind loyalty to ump often does that to you. UMP and Hoosier agreed to put out a terrible tire called the A40s, it was horrid , and...

oh Lite inn , your back for now. you can keep on defending ump but the war is over. Was at Fairbury last week which had a good mod count and most other places rained out. the common theme was that...

lol kidrock dont try to confuse things with facts lol. your post in dead on. Thats what so many dont see its real easy to come on here type a message and say if racers can cut it they can drop down...

all the excuses dont change the fact that ump/hoosier are charging 35 bucks a tire more than any other sanction. This is not helping the class. the a40s mess just shows that Hoosier and UMP did not...

Not all can or will move up, as stated on here before racers will either move up or down or get out unless changes are made to preserve the class. Ump is not willing to make the right kind of changes

ump is not entirely horrible, but in this situation they are not making the right call or really any call at all other that to stay with the current setup. This means nothing will improve people will...

No need to yell Lite Inn, lol. I think you may want to recheck things a bit. I was at the usra booth at a recent event, and yes they are talking to tracks are trying to move this way, cant speak for...

ump must go. FC had no plan. Had usra come in at start and got things going at more than one track. All would've worked, better tire a sanction that's growing. Ump is doing nothing for the class but...

The economy excuse has been mentioned a lot, and even if that's true it's even more the reason ump needs to go. Ump bmod rules suck, they are forcing everyone to crates and will not enforce any rules...

Shocks are a decent start, but to save the class you need Hard cheaper tireSome sort of engine rules, even minor like no roller camsActual techPossibly rules limiting suspension

I have heard this rules that limit HP makes things worse theory before. What I do know is that the current situation with UMP and no rules is NOT working at all. There needs to be something in place....

shock rule is needed.. Whats wrong with the current IMCA rules ? no roller cams, chip rule and hard tire and a break for running crates. This would allow current cars to run with QCs and keep cost...

Glad to See UMP..er ,,,I mean Hoosier letting us know what tires are legal at UMP eeer I mean Hoosier tracks for the rest of the season. (not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a...