Fouling Plugs

[stock car driver]

we always had trouble when running autolites in our LM engines if the car set in staging idleing or had a lot of caution laps the plugs would get wet, even after cleaning it out before going green it always took a few laps to clean them up, then we would have to change plugs every 3-4 races. But now we switched to ngk and we havnt had a prob since, so now we switch plugs about every 10-15 races just to be on the safe side even though the engine dont seem to need it. and running the car in the garage we always do every week to make sure theres no obvious problems before heading out. when we get a new engine or one freshened the builder makes a couple dyno pulls when we pick them up then we adjust through the year by free revving in the shop never had a prob, then we back it up by a few runs down the ol black top just for the fun of it. this is with a top ranked national driver cars and a top ranked regional driver car. so stock car driver you might be good at what you do but your way is not the only way to do everything, cause there are people that do it different and it also works and we got walls of $10k an a few $50k checks to prove it.

Cool. Post some pics of those 50k check (s) on the wall please.

Id bet ya a grand your just another idiot who wants to CHAT...

[parrot69777]

Every guy I help....either the night before or race day....car is started, timing checked, float level checked, checked for leaks, etc. Be surprised how many things you can find sometime that had gotten over looked.

Nothing more fun than watching someone unload at a race track....run back and forth 5 or 6 times at the parts truck....trying to fix something they should have fixed in the shop.

[stock car driver]

That right there proves you are either lying or just full of crap.

Before I load the car on the trailer to go to the track, I start it. I get it up to temp, and check the timing, float levels, etc. EVERY RACE DAY. PERIOD.

Any idiot who doesn't even bring his motor up to temp before he puts it on the trailer is just talking. Hell, you must never set your valves or change plugs either, because there is no way in hell I'd do either of those things and not start the motor until I got to the track!

Keep up the attitude, chief. That's the best way to guarantee you'll never build anything but FWD cages!

Sorry buddy, I dont start my motors at home. Thats a fact. I set lash COLD. And I load my car into a trailer not onto one. I change my plugs if I have a problem or rebuild a motor. They are made for thousands of miles of use, lol....

AND I believe this is your 3rd or 4th time commenting to me worried about my business... If Im not worried about it should you be?

[powerslide]

was your screen name montecarloman on the old forum???

Sorry buddy, I dont start my motors at home. Thats a fact. I set lash COLD. And I load my car into a trailer not onto one. I change my plugs if I have a problem or rebuild a motor. They are made for thousands of miles of use, lol....

AND I believe this is your 3rd or 4th time commenting to me worried about my business... If Im not worried about it should you be?

[stock car driver]

was your screen name montecarloman on the old forum???

same name sorry

I cant say I know of anyone that would let their motor sit and idle to get up to temp BEFORE they load it, thats the stupidest post on here ever....

My motors dont even get UP to temp till I start going around it, lol.. My motors will sit at 100-150 degrees for an hour if I was dumb enough to let them run that long.

I guess when you know your stuff is right you dont have to wear it out in the garage? Ive never gotten a trophy in the garage!

[4bangerhotrod]

stock car it will be a few weeks before I can post the pics since we are over 1000 miles away from the shop right now tryin to pick up a few more checks an wont be back for atleast 2 weeks. but you can come down to the casino tonight an see me since were rained out

[Egoracing]

I change my plugs if I have a problem or rebuild a motor. They are made for thousands of miles of use, lol....

This is about the stupidest thing I have seen you post. Plugs for racing are NOT made to run thousands of miles and stock plugs were NOT designed for the RPM, cylinder temps and ignition voltages of racing engines.
Guess you don't rebuild you engines until you get 200,000+ miles on them either, heck they are good for at least that long in a street car! Brake rotors and pads must last about 60,000 miles also.

[stock car driver]

This is about the stupidest thing I have seen you post. Plugs for racing are NOT made to run thousands of miles and stock plugs were NOT designed for the RPM, cylinder temps and ignition voltages of racing engines.
Guess you don't rebuild you engines until you get 200,000+ miles on them either, heck they are good for at least that long in a street car! Brake rotors and pads must last about 60,000 miles also.

Sorry buddy but a race season is not 200,000 miles. If plugs cant last you 20-25 nights youve got a serious problem.

Are you actually asking how long rotors and brake pads last?

Hot lap. 4 laps
heat race 8-12 laps
main 12-20 laps.

total a night aprox 35 laps. Largest track here is half mile. So 18 miles a night, lol...

[Egoracing]

If you are running plugs that long you are giving away HP after about 5-10 nights depending on the race length you are running. 150 racing laps and you will see a difference on a dyno.

[RCJ]

Looking down on your carb you will see 2 small holes on each side of the accelerator pump squirter.The ones close to the squirter are high speed air bleeds .The ones to the out side of the carb are idle bleeds.If you inlarge them it will give a leaner idle.That is the only adjustment I would make with the car sitting in the shop idleing and free reving it.The 3310 that you have does not have replaceable air bleeds like most racing carbs so you would have to drill them If you get them to big the only way to fix them is to drill and tap them for air bleeds.Most holleys get richer as you increase rpm' bigger high speed bleeds leans the mixture at higher rpm.

[stock car driver]

If you are running plugs that long you are giving away HP after about 5-10 nights depending on the race length you are running. 150 racing laps and you will see a difference on a dyno.

Your so full of it its pathetic. I chassis dyno all my stuff.

[Egoracing]

Your so full of it its pathetic. I chassis dyno all my stuff.
I think I have started it at home between races maybe 5 times in the last 2 years.

You are the one that is pathetic, You do not start it at home but you chassis dyno all your "Stuff". HA!! Keep building your 4 cyl bombers and acting like you know something. There is not even a single NASCAR team that does not start the engines after they are installed and let them come up to temp in the shop to check for leaks before hauling the car to the track and anyone who would is a fool.

[stock car driver]

You are the one that is pathetic, You do not start it at home but you chassis dyno all your "Stuff". HA!! Keep building your 4 cyl bombers and acting like you know something. There is not even a single NASCAR team that does not start the engines after they are installed and let them come up to temp in the shop to check for leaks before hauling the car to the track and anyone who would is a fool.

Your obviously drunk or something and havent READ and comprehended the posts in this thread. I obviously start and break in my motors at home before I load them up and go TUNE them on the chassis dyno.

I dont start them every week before I load them into my trailer is what I said earlier in this thread. I dont drive them out of my trailer I have a winch to pull the car out. I dont start them at HOME for fun there is no point or races to be won in my garage.

AND I sure as HELL dont start them after I change the plugs to make sure the plugs work at home, lol. And I know for a fact after a SEASON or more on the same plugs I am not losing power.


All of this of course is nothing youve EVER dealt with or decisions youve EVER got to make since you have NEVER raced. You loitered around a few shops over the years bugging guys who raced. Just like dynoman you are back on here after discovering all your previous b.s posts were purged with the change of this forum.

Its too bad, it was nice without your idiocy on here.

Ive already won 100% of the races Ive ran in 2011, exactly the same way 2010 started when I won the first two nights out in Feb..... I dont know crap though, just dumb luck I suppose!

[Egoracing]

I think I have started it at home between races maybe 5 times in the last 2 years.

This is your post, 5 times in 2 years! I read what YOU posted! You seem to be the one that is not reading correctly I never said anything about breaking in the engine. (FYI Nascar engines are NOT run in the car for break in.) The cars are started in the garage every week to check for leaks that may have been caused by contact/damage from the previous weeks racing or loose fittings done for preventative maint. his is evidently something you know nothing about. If your engines are wearing or having issues from being started at the shop you really need to quit running junk.
Anything someone points out anything to you, you attack them and your true mentality shows. As for what I have done and not done has no merit, I will guarantee I have NEVER taken ANY car to the track and had issues with it that should have been found in the shop and I NEVER open the motor at the track in a dirty atmosphere when it was something that could have been done at the shop.
As for races so far this year.... WHO is racing street stocks or 4 cylinders yet this year as that is all you run? You ran the ice bowl, and I will congratulate you on the win. I have been several times and know that the street stocks and even late models there is a race of survival. The track conditions are always fun, typically the crate motor cars out qualify and run faster than the Super lates proving that you do not need a lot of power at that track for that race, just a lot of luck and ability to turn the corner.

[powerslide]

I obviously start and break in my motors at home before I load them up and go TUNE them on the chassis dyno.

But you only start them 5 times a year at home... With all the racing and all that winning you do surely you are building 10-12 of those badass 406 street stock motors per year?

[stock car driver]

WHO is racing street stocks or 4 cylinders yet this year as that is all you run?

What are you racing this year?

What have you EVER raced?

I race STREET Stocks, period, by choice. It is the class around here with the MOST competition and closest toughest races period.

I can choose to race any class I want. Just like in the past.

In order for you, lol.

1993 enduro
hobby
street
sportsman
limited late model
super late model

2004 moved to Iowa
steet stock

[stock car driver]

Yeah, well you claim to have experience. Let me explain some "experience": Cracked ceramic on a brand new spark plug. I'll never load a car up after changing the plugs without starting it first.

Ever change the oil? I guess you change it cold since you don't start at home and bring up to temperature. That makes sense...

How about topping off the cooling system? I do that with the motor running.

Hell, maybe it's just because you can get away with these things on a little street stock motor?

Good for you, I dont care what you do or dont do. I didnt ask for your help or opinion, why are you so clearly upset about what I do? Is it because your one of the many who I have came to your home track and unloaded my junk and kicked your ass?

dont top off the cooling system, sorry its a sealed system.

change the oil cold, let it drain over night or so. run synthetic so only change it every 10 nights or so.

cracked electrode, had that happen before its obvious at the track, not so much at a idle not sure how you would even find it in the shop being as its only a issue under load.


Sorry it bugs you guys so much that I dont start my car before I load it and let it idle for a hour to warm up..... If it makes you feel better I warm up my 08 Dodge 6.7 before I leave.

[50j]

Congrats on the win! I start my car to check it out but a person can't say you're not good at what you do. If it's working, keep doing it I say.

[fattboyee]

to each his own. if you wanna put extra hrs on your motor at home great if you never start your car unless its race time thats up to you too.

personally i start mine when i feel the need to check things. i cannot afford dyno time and do not know anyone that owns one. but i do own enough land that my back pasture has a well defigned 1/4 oval. i do check my car out and run my diognostic test that way. it has worked well for me. plus its my way of having a lil fun in between race days.

we all know opinions are like aholes. everyone has one. i love 4m so many egos and opinions. thanks to everyone that has answered any questions i have. if i agree with you ar not i am thankfull for the help.

[kenbarls]

Hi. How did you do about "The propeller force is transmitted through a thrust bearing." Kindly share your experience about it..