NO POLE for Dale Jr.

[runyou-2]

Yep,Dale Jr. rammed the azz-end of Johnson's car in Wed. practice and hit the wall with his pole setting car. That means he has to start in the back of the pack with a back-up car.Johnson said three cars were drifting up the track,closing his hole and he had to back off.

[MotorMouth]

I was watching that incident and saw in the replay where the car behind him hit him in the back. The announcers all agreed that it was not Earnhardt's fault.

[runyou-2]

Yeah, replay shows not Jr's fault. McMurray tried to move up before he was up to speed. Johnson, Jr and Truex backed off. Truex got run over, which pushed him into Jr.

Yea i seen it. It's too bad some of them just don't think sometimes.

I believe Jr should start from the back of the 150 field. Kind of strange circumstance with the rule they've put in place. If Jr were to say, win the Duel, is it really fair to put him all the way to the tail for the 500?

Now that you mention it,Truth..it does sound kinda stupid to put him in the back too soon.

[bite me too]

It's 500 miles of "racing", starting 43rd don't amount to a hill of beans...no matter who it is. I've never understood the hoopla over who starts on the pole in Cup races...it really doesn't matter.

[runyou-2]

It's 500 miles of "racing", starting 43rd don't amount to a hill of beans...no matter who it is. I've never understood the hoopla over who starts on the pole in Cup races...it really doesn't matter.

No hoopla here.That's not what we're debating????????? > SINCE < all the racecars Quailified for the Dayona 500 they have a position to start the race on Sunday BUT....the Twins are a Qualifing race. IF Dale Jr. wins the Qualifing race??????? should he STILL have to start in the back on Sunday???????

[PaperMen]

He will still be credited with the Pole......he changed cars so he has to start in the rear.

[bite me too]

No hoopla here.That's not what we're debating????????? > SINCE < all the racecars Quailified for the Dayona 500 they have a position to start the race on Sunday BUT....the Twins are a Qualifing race. IF Dale Jr. wins the Qualifing race??????? should he STILL have to start in the back on Sunday???????

NA$CAR rules state you have to go to the back of the field if you change cars, engines, trannys, mirrors or decals (not really)...so he starts in the back.
Been that way for years....

[runyou-2]

SHOULD he have to start in the back if he win's the twin race ?

[kidrock]

This race is different then the rest. You quailfy for your starting sopt for the duels and the top 2 are locked in for the start of the Daytona 500. You can race your way in the through the duels and no other race they do this so, to me he should be locked into the starting spot unless he does change motors but, he should be able to take that motor out and put in the back up car and start on the pole position. JMO.

[j-me88]

Starting at the rear means nothing to him ..... All it means is that his restrictor plate will be even larger than the larger one he was gonna get before the wreck ..... You gotta remember this is the tenth anniversary and NA$CAR is gonna do everything in its power to see him win !!!!

[hogracer3d]

With all of those 12 bbl cheater ponies, he could start in another time zone

[bite me too]

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should he have to start in the back if he win's the twin race ?

yes! It's the rule!

[mf0521]

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yes! It's the rule!

You Jr fans crack me up worrying what he is gonna do.
Jr is an average driver at best. He excells on restrictor plate
races and if his car is absolutely perfect on any other track he runs up
front , otherwise he is in the middle of the pack or getting lapped
Check his stats the last 2 years , in the top equipment and
he finishes regularly between 10th and 20th.
Now Hendrick is going all out , moves him into the 48's garage,
gives him another crew chief , after last year busting up Mark Martins
team to help him out.
Remember, average at best, stats dont lie!

[bite me too]

You Jr fans crack me up worrying what he is gonna do.
Jr is an average driver at best. He excells on restrictor plate
races and if his car is absolutely perfect on any other track he runs up
front , otherwise he is in the middle of the pack or getting lapped
Check his stats the last 2 years , in the top equipment and
he finishes regularly between 10th and 20th.
Now Hendrick is going all out , moves him into the 48's garage,
gives him another crew chief , after last year busting up Mark Martins
team to help him out.
Remember, average at best, stats dont lie!

You're barking up the wrong tree here (quoting me as a JR. fan)...I wasn't a SR. fan and I'm certainly not a JR. fan.
I've been a Mark Martin fan since his early days in Cup waaaaaaaay back in 1984 when I saw him drive for the first time in the Lonestar #02 at Daytona.

However, out of Jr's. 18 wins only 7 came on restrictor plate tracks...you can check the stats!

[j-me88]

You're barking up the wrong tree here (quoting me as a JR. fan)...I wasn't a SR. fan and I'm certainly not a JR. fan.
I've been a Mark Martin fan since his early days in Cup waaaaaaaay back in 1984 when I saw him drive for the first time in the Lonestar #02 at Daytona.

However, out of Jr's. 18 wins only 7 came on restrictor plate tracks...you can check the stats!

Considering restrictor plate races make up only 4 of 36 races and almost half his wins come in only 11% of the races a year, isn't a very good statistic, if versatality is the point you are trying to make ..... Let's say he has been racing ten years, he has won 7 races in 40 restrictor plate races, and won 11 races in 320 non restrictor plate races !!!! Not exactly the point you were trying to make, is it ???

[awnunn]

The best part of it is no matter what Jr is doing (good or bad) you all keep right on talking bout him, so you must watch him alittle closer than you want to admit. LOL

[bite me too]

Considering restrictor plate races make up only 4 of 36 races and almost half his wins come in only 11% of the races a year, isn't a very good statistic, if versatality is the point you are trying to make ..... Let's say he has been racing ten years, he has won 7 races in 40 restrictor plate races, and won 11 races in 320 non restrictor plate races !!!! Not exactly the point you were trying to make, is it ???

My point is over 60% of his wins are on tracks other than restrictor plate tracks. Of course the odds are better to win on non plate tracks but, the post I was responding to made reference to the fact that he excels on plate tracks. I was bringing to light that he has done well at tracks other than that as well.

Thanks for putting way more effort into it than I did though.

[j-me88]

Eleven wins in 320 (and in reality its closer to 400) starts is not what I would consider doing well ..... Especially for "the annointed one" and the "golden child" !!!!

[bite me too]

Eleven wins in 320 (and in reality its closer to 400) starts is not what I would consider doing well ..... Especially for "the annointed one" and the "golden child" !!!!

If you're going to use all 400 starts you need to include the other 7 wins.

What do you consider doing well?

And, who "annointed" him as the "golden child"? The media and the fans set their expectations for him as the son of Sr. He's never come out and said he was gonna set NA$CAR on fire, people just assumed it would happen...kinda like Kyle Petty.

[j-me88]

The 400 starts is NON-RESTRICTOR PLATE races ..... I originally said he had been racing 10 years but it was at least twelve seasons, thus the 400 non plate races, and that makes 48 plate races ..... What do I consider doing well ??? Well, winning ONE non plate race every 57 starts (or one every 1 3/4 seasons) would definately not be on my doing very well list !!! Especially for someone driving a well funded, top tier car!!! In fact the more I look at it, the worse it looks !!! If you honestly think thats doing well then you must have very low standards .......