Left Rear Spring Falling Out

**hot_rod** · 03-09-2011, 09:06 AM

Originally Posted by stock car driver

You forgot to apologize for being STUPID.

Ok, if this is what you really want then here it is: I apologize for being stupid and not "properly" wording my question. Let me tell you about me, if you care. I have been an Electronics Technician in the United States Navy for the last 9 years. What is that you might ask? Well I will dumb it down so you can understand, I am responsible for the maintenance, troubleshooting, and repair of complex digital and analog circuits in multi-million dollar Communication (both line of sight and satellite), RADAR, and various Navigation system. Sounds pretty stupid to me. But as far as me being stupid about this question, ok fine. I can fix my "stupid" question and behavior with the proper knowledge and experience. You however can't fix your ignorance, your just stuck with it.

**hot_rod** · 03-09-2011, 09:12 AM

Originally Posted by Dirtrunner35

How much is your spring compressed now ?

I am not real sure how much is it right now, I will be able to check this weekend when I go to work on the car. But there isnt a lot of weight on the rear of the car because we are still working on a lot of the stuff back there. I will probably have to wait until I get the car completed and ready to scale before I can provide more exact numbers.

**stock car driver** · 03-09-2011, 09:31 AM

Originally Posted by hot_rod

Ok, if this is what you really want then here it is: I apologize for being stupid and not "properly" wording my question. Let me tell you about me, if you care. I have been an Electronics Technician in the United States Navy for the last 9 years. What is that you might ask? Well I will dumb it down so you can understand, I am responsible for the maintenance, troubleshooting, and repair of complex digital and analog circuits in multi-million dollar Communication (both line of sight and satellite), RADAR, and various Navigation system. Sounds pretty stupid to me. But as far as me being stupid about this question, ok fine. I can fix my "stupid" question and behavior with the proper knowledge and experience. You however can't fix your ignorance, your just stuck with it.

I think based on your stupidity shown here in this one thread you probably change light bulbs. If even, lol.

I doubt you could self study and pass the 7 hands on exams in ATT...

That said go read the stupid stuff your posting. The spring doesnt know if it has 1 inch or 10 inches of jack bolt above it. You dont have a assembled scaled car so you have no idea where your spring top will be.

You clearly dont have the smarts to ask what you really need to know.

What you really need is the measurement from someone for the rear wt jack height from the top of the frame. Then you can cut and weld yours in the right place....

lol. Either way thanks for the laughs.

**wrengoodman114** · 03-09-2011, 10:14 AM

Hey guys don't mean to interupt but, if he goes with softer spring same height, it will extend further and possibly stay in bucket!
But if softer it will also affect weight transfer from rear to front, it will make it free on throttle.
On another hand if he goes longer springs that effects spring table on car!
If you change from 13 to 16 or 20 inch springs, during throttle application the cars weight transfer to rear will be slower which effects how fast the loud pedal is mashed!
On the chain or strap to keep car down, what happens when your going into a turn and the spring isn't seated, no weight on left rear "tight" and all the sudden the spring touches perches, "weight on left rear, now "loose" all in the same corner! The car dosent have a brain but if it did it would be confused! Also if not on spring and on solid bars "solid suspension" imagine what happens when tire is crossing bumps it'll only touch the top of them.
Hope this helps your situation
Wren Goodman
Little River Speedway
1-256-452-9390

**hot_rod** · 03-09-2011, 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by wrengoodman114

Hey guys don't mean to interupt but, if he goes with softer spring same height, it will extend further and possibly stay in bucket!
But if softer it will also affect weight transfer from rear to front, it will make it free on throttle.
On another hand if he goes longer springs that effects spring table on car!
If you change from 13 to 16 or 20 inch springs, during throttle application the cars weight transfer to rear will be slower which effects how fast the loud pedal is mashed!
On the chain or strap to keep car down, what happens when your going into a turn and the spring isn't seated, no weight on left rear "tight" and all the sudden the spring touches perches, "weight on left rear, now "loose" all in the same corner! The car dosent have a brain but if it did it would be confused! Also if not on spring and on solid bars "solid suspension" imagine what happens when tire is crossing bumps it'll only touch the top of them.
Hope this helps your situation
Wren Goodman
Little River Speedway
1-256-452-9390

See now that is useful information.

**stock car driver** · 03-09-2011, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by hot_rod

See now that is useful information.

yep dude you really are STUPID.

A softer 13 inch spring will be shorter when in the car and expose even more of your jack bolt...

I sure hope someone else is actually building this and your just standing around watching thinking of these stupid things to ask about, lol..

post up some pics of this NEW chassis you built

**wrengoodman114** · 03-09-2011, 07:02 PM

What I posted was facts and options to think about during decisions!
Lets play nice on here, this is a sport we all love doing and learning is part of it!
Heres another option for ya to make Street Stock Driver happy too!
Go with a 15 inch spring and 50 lbs softer, adjust weight jack to ride height and jack up car and see if it still stays on perch, if not go 25 lbs lighter and try it.
This is the only way without chain to hold car down.
Plus it wont change the spring table much!

Wren Goodman
Little River Speedway
1-256-452-9390

**Hammer** · 03-10-2011, 07:17 AM

I bet there's more guys winning on normal spring setups than a smashed down soft 20 or 16in spring. there's more to these cars than just putting a smashed down spring in them and heading to the front. weight placement high and low, BAR ANGLES, front end settings(bump and arkman) are some key factors in a street stock.. jmo

**hot_rod** · 03-10-2011, 08:44 AM

Originally Posted by Hammer

I bet there's more guys winning on normal spring setups than a smashed down soft 20 or 16in spring. there's more to these cars than just putting a smashed down spring in them and heading to the front. weight placement high and low, BAR ANGLES, front end settings(bump and arkman) are some key factors in a street stock.. jmo

I will agree with that whole heartedly. Although in my current situation, I feel that the 16" or 20" spring is my only option. I will not be cutting the spring bucket out and lowering it, just not going to happen. We take into account pretty much everything you listed above, but if the left rear spring falls out then everything was done in waste. We run in a Pure Stock division, our rules say that we have to run strictly stock suspension components. But we can alter the upper rear control arm for pinion angle. In the rear we are allowed to run heim joint shocks, but front has to be stock. Only the rear is allowed to have jack bolts. So we are limited as to what adjustments we are allowed to make on the suspension. We try to get our front end setup as close as we can, while staying within the rules.

**hot_rod** · 03-10-2011, 08:58 AM

Jeff
check you facebook, I sent you a message on there. That is where the pictures of my car are.

**MBush** · 03-10-2011, 09:09 AM

As I sit back and read this stuff everyday reading questions and answers from people I wonder how ignorant people can be. The guy from the speedway shared a answer most people wouldn't bother telling you then you don't take his advice what a guy you will be lucky to receive help again from here again. Might be in your best intrest call the number he listed to let you explain process in phonics I know I wouldn't have shared that info for free on here
Bush

**bushracing67** · 03-10-2011, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by wrengoodman114

Hey guys don't mean to interupt but, if he goes with softer spring same height, it will extend further and possibly stay in bucket!
But if softer it will also affect weight transfer from rear to front, it will make it free on throttle.

not even close, the longer left rear spring, although softer in rate, adds an unimaginable amount of left rear mechanical drive on the throttle, the more horsepower the more left rear drive you have, when using this set up it basically takes all the normal ways of thinking and throws them straight out the window, my first night on a 20" lr i was carrying the lf 18"+ and i couldn't have spun the car out with throttle if i had to, i did end up looping it half way down the straight.... i really had no idea why... until my crew guy told me i spun when the rf tire came off the ground too.... so loose on the throttle should not be an issue with the 20" 100# spring, when the car rolls over it adds mechanical drive via bar angle, and it adds it at a much faster rate than what you loose from a softer spring, it also takes the weight that you are unloading from the lr and dumps it to the right side, change your rr spring to keep the car pointing straight on the throttle, and be ready to add some camber to the rf i am up to about 4.5 degrees

**keithbaker** · 03-10-2011, 11:05 AM

So would have increase rr rate? How much? Would you need to increase rf also?

And how much rebound on lr shock?

**stock car driver** · 03-10-2011, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by hot_rod

Jeff
check you facebook, I sent you a message on there. That is where the pictures of my car are.

Car looks nice, I would have put the cage back further while it was cut out of the other car but maybe you have rules for the location.

Your wt jacks are pavement type cans, you should be fine with 13 or 16 once you get it built and on scales.

My upper wt jack is 7.5 above the frame in the rear and I run 16s and have ran from 25-275 of bite and its worked for me.

**bushracing67** · 03-10-2011, 02:09 PM

i run a 13" 175 on the rr, i do change it based on track conditions, anywhere from 125-225, my car is 400# lighter, but that really does not seem to change what i run for rear spring, last car was 3200 and i was running a 13 175 rr most of the time in that one too

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**oldgold** · 04-17-2011, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by hot_rod

Ok, if this is what you really want then here it is: I apologize for being stupid and not "properly" wording my question. Let me tell you about me, if you care. I have been an Electronics Technician in the United States Navy for the last 9 years. What is that you might ask? Well I will dumb it down so you can understand, I am responsible for the maintenance, troubleshooting, and repair of complex digital and analog circuits in multi-million dollar Communication (both line of sight and satellite), RADAR, and various Navigation system. Sounds pretty stupid to me. But as far as me being stupid about this question, ok fine. I can fix my "stupid" question and behavior with the proper knowledge and experience. You however can't fix your ignorance, your just stuck with it.

dont feel bad about that jacko that is so much more advanced in knowledge he verbally assaulted me on some questions before.

**hot_rod** · 10-02-2011, 10:37 AM

Well I put the new spring in that I bought almost 4 or 5 months ago. I ended up getting an Eibach 16" 100lb spring to replace my 13" 250lb spring. I rescaled to the car and set everything back up to the percentages that it was before. The track that I run at is a high bank on the top and little to no banking on the bottom. Its a 3/8ths tight corner that is rougher than a roller coaster and slicker than ice on most everynight. (they really have no idea how to prep a track). For full body cars like mine, we typically run the top in single file through the corners, then try to pass on the straights. My car last night was the best that I have ever had with the new spring. I was able to run as low as possible have the car stick. I was able to pass cars doing a slide job. Last night was the most fun that I think I have ever had in a stock car. Out of twelve cars I was 4th fastest in qualifing, and normally I am a tail dragging car. Not normally real fast. I was extremely impressed and just wanted to give an update since I finally put it in the car.

Thanks for all the help.