On Monday, December 23, 2013 8:18 AM, Thomas Vega wrote: During the 3 1/2 years of World War II that started with the Japanese bombing of Pearl Harbor in December 1941 and ended with the Surrender of Germany and Japan in 1945, the US produced 22 aircraft carriers, 8 battleships, 48 cruisers, 349 destroyers, 420 destroyer escorts, 203 submarines, 34 million tons of merchant ships, 100,000 fighter aircraft, 98,000 bombers, 24,000 transport aircraft, 58,000 training aircraft, 93,000 tanks, 257,000 artillery pieces, 105,000 mortars, 3,000,000 machine guns, and 2,500,000 military trucks. We put 16.1 million men in uniform in the various armed services, invaded Africa, invaded Sicily and Italy, won the battle for the Atlantic, planned and executed D-Day, marched across the Pacific and Europe, developed the atomic bomb and ultimately conquered Japan and Germany. It's worth noting, that during the almost exact amount of time, the Obama administration couldn't build a functioning web site. Pathetic!
On Monday, December 23, 2013 8:18 AM, Thomas Vega wrote: During the 3 1/2 years of World War II that started with the Japanese bombing of Pearl Harbor in December 1941 and ended with the Surrender of Germany and Japan in 1945, the US produced 22 aircraft carriers, 8 battleships, 48 cruisers, 349 destroyers, 420 destroyer escorts, 203 submarines, 34 million tons of merchant ships, 100,000 fighter aircraft, 98,000 bombers, 24,000 transport aircraft, 58,000 training aircraft, 93,000 tanks, 257,000 artillery pieces, 105,000 mortars, 3,000,000 machine guns, and 2,500,000 military trucks. We put 16.1 million men in uniform in the various armed services, invaded Africa, invaded Sicily and Italy, won the battle for the Atlantic, planned and executed D-Day, marched across the Pacific and Europe, developed the atomic bomb and ultimately conquered Japan and Germany. It's worth noting, that during the almost exact amount of time, the Obama administration couldn't build a functioning web site. Pathetic!
The point of the website when it was launched in October wasn't to sign up people for Obamacare, it was to keep them from finding out what the cost of Obamacare was.
They don't even want the ACA to work, and when it comes time, then they will push for single payer as the cure. A cure for our freedoms, that is.
You could be right, that is the direction they've wanted to go all along...however.com with this being such a collassal screw up, they have cost themselves a ton of "the gubmint can do it" creds. I believe the last poll I saw about any government program working the agree rate was bellow 30%, and I think it was way below...
The point of the website when it was launched in October wasn't to sign up people for Obamacare, it was to keep them from finding out what the cost of Obamacare was.
Bingo !
Everything with "This administration" is smoke and mirrors. Everything they do is a distraction to hide the truth from the voters. And if you look at the election results...... it's working. The "unimformed" voters are buying every bit of it. It's sad. It will take decades to reverse the damage this clown has caused to our country.
"Hope and change" is really "Hype and Blame".
They would not have near as many people signing up for ObummerCare if the rat had not pulled millions of satified policies and made them illegal.
Great way to do business. Sell people something they don't need by taking their insurance away from them to force them to buy their own product.
Not sure if this is the case or not but, I do agree its bull chit to take away their policies no matter if they were bad policies or not. If they were fine with it they should have been allowed to keep it. Both the dems and the insurance companies allowed this to happen. We know why the insurance companies and the dems did it money. The dems were paid off By the insurance lobbyist and the insurance companies wrote the bill so they would get higher Profits.
Not sure if this is the case or not but, I do agree its bull chit to take away their policies no matter if they were bad policies or not. If they were fine with it they should have been allowed to keep it. Both the dems and the insurance companies allowed this to happen. We know why the insurance companies and the dems did it money. The dems were paid off By the insurance lobbyist and the insurance companies wrote the bill so they would get higher Profits.
I think your wrong there Kid, what is the + side for the insurance companies? Re-writing millions of policies, 3/4 of which were money makers, big money makers. And now those people have no insurance at all...insurance co ain't makin a dime off of them. Know this Democrat administration wants single payer, takes the insurance companies out of play and out of business. Now there may have been a time when they jumped into bed with obummer and the Demcrats, but they have lived to rue that day....
I think your wrong there Kid, what is the + side for the insurance companies? Re-writing millions of policies, 3/4 of which were money makers, big money makers. And now those people have no insurance at all...insurance co ain't makin a dime off of them. Know this Democrat administration wants single payer, takes the insurance companies out of play and out of business. Now there may have been a time when they jumped into bed with obummer and the Demcrats, but they have lived to rue that day....
Then I guess if you are right it back fired against the insurance companies because you can bet your azz they were thinking of huge profits.
A man wrote… I'm a 54-year-old consulting engineer and make between $60,000 and $125,000 per year, depending on how hard I work and whether or not there are work projects out there for me.
My girlfriend is 61 and makes about $18,000 per year, working as a part-time mail clerk.
For me, making $60,000 a year, under Obama Care, the cheapest, lowest grade policy I can buy, which also happens to impose a $5,000 deductible, costs $482 per month.
For my girlfriend, the same exact policy, same deductible, costs $1 per month. That's right, $1 per month. I'm not making this up.
Don't believe me? Just go to www.coveredca.gov, the Obama Care website for California and enter the parameters I've mentioned above and see for yourself. By the way, my zip code is 93940. You'll need to enter that.
So OK, clearly Obama Care is a scheme that involves putting the cost burden of healthcare onto the middle and upper-income wage earners. But there's a lot more to it. Stick with me.
And before I make my next points, I'd like you to think about something:
I live in Monterey County, in Central California. We have a large land mass but just 426,000 residents - about the population of Colorado Springs or the city of Omaha.
But we do have a large Hispanic population, including a large number of illegal aliens, and to serve this group we have Natividad Medical Center, a massive, Federally subsidized county medical complex that takes up an area about one-third the size of the Chrysler Corporation automobile assembly plant in Belvedere, Illinois (see Google Earth View). Natividad has state-of-the-art operating rooms, Computed Tomography and Magnetic Resonance Imaging, fully equipped, 24 hour emergency room, and much more. If you have no insurance, if you've been in a drive-by shooting or have overdosed on crack cocaine, this is where you go. And it's essentially free, because almost everyone who ends up in the ER is uninsured.
Last year, 2,735 babies were born at Natividad. 32% of these were born to out-of-wedlock teenage mothers, 93% of which were Hispanic. Less than 20% could demonstrate proof of citizenship, and 71% listed their native language as Spanish. Of these 876 births, only 40 were covered under [any kind of] private health insurance. The taxpayers paid for the other 836. And in case you were wondering about the entire population - all 2,735 births - less than 24% involved insured coverage or even partial payment on behalf of the patient to the hospital in exchange for services. Keep this in mind as we move forward.
Now consider this:
If I want to upgrade my policy to a low-deductible premium policy, such as what I had with my last employer, my cost is $886 per month. But my girlfriend can upgrade her policy to the very same level, for just $4 per month. That's right, $4 per month. $48 per year for a zero-deductible, premium healthcare policy - the kind of thing you get when you work at IBM (except of course, IBM employees pay an average of $170 per month out of pocket for their coverage).
I mean, it's bad enough that I will be forced to subsidize the Obama Care scheme in the first place. But even if I agreed with the basic scheme, which of course I do not, I would never agree to subsidize premium policies. If I have to pay $482 a month for a budget policy, I sure as hell do not want the guy I'm subsidizing to get a better policy, for less that 1% of what I have to fork out each month for a low-end policy.
Why must I pay $482 per month for something the other guy gets for a dollar? And why should the other guy get to buy an $886 policy for $4 a month? Think about this: I have to pay $10,632 a year for the same thing that the other guy can get for $48. $10,000 of net income is 60 days of full time work as an engineer. $48 is something I could pay for collecting aluminum cans and plastic bottles, one day a month.
Are you with me on this? Are you starting to get an idea what Obama Care is really about?
Obama Care is not about dealing with inequities in the healthcare system. That's just the cover story. The real story is that it is a massive, political power grab. Do you think anyone who can insure himself with a premium policy for $4 a month will vote for anyone but the political party that provides him such a deal? Obama Care is about enabling, subsidizing, and expanding the Left's political power base, at taxpayer expense. Why would I vote for anyone but a Democrat if I can have babies for $4 a month? For that matter, why would I go to college or strive for a better job or income if it means I have to pay real money for healthcare coverage? Heck, why study engineering when I can be a schlub for $20K per year and buy a new F-150 with all the money I'm saving?
And think about those $4-a-month babies - think in terms of propagation models. Think of just how many babies will be born to irresponsible, under-educated mothers. Will we get a new crop of brain surgeons and particle physicists from the dollar baby club, or will we need more cops, criminal courts and prisons? One thing you can be certain of: At $4 a month, they'll multiply, and multiply, and multiply. And not one of them will vote Republican.
Then I guess if you are right it back fired against the insurance companies because you can bet your azz they were thinking of huge profits.
Not sure why people think the insurance companies stand to make huge profits. The way I understand it, they are required by the law itself to pay out, in benefits, a minimum of 80% of what they get. If they don't, they have to reimburse the difference.
Not sure why people think the insurance companies stand to make huge profits. The way I understand it, they are required by the law itself to pay out, in benefits, a minimum of 80% of what they get. If they don't, they have to reimburse the difference.
Because the Democrats have said for years that the insurance companies are bad and "some people" believed them....I wasn't one of the "some"....
ss12, nice post. If we just could get rich folks to give their money to the goverment, all the problems go away. You are correct, those uninformed, sticking their hand out, folks will not change. Democrats for the last 70 yrs has created a dependent class, and continue. Maybe if you recieve goverment welfare, you cant vote. This does not include those in Social Security.
I'll go a step forward, once this country is unable to pay ( AND Its gonna happen) those who are unwilling to work and expect handouts and those payments stop, thats when riots start. I still believe if you are on welfare. No smart phones, only cell phone for emergencies. No cable tv, No airconditioning, No junk food or soda pop, no HD TV, you want those things get a job. Also you collect welfare, you work for the community. They clean up our cities, towns, no trash in any city or county parks, along the road, sidewalks, streets. Have them paint houses, cut grass and so on for our senior citizens.
Not sure if this is the case or not but, I do agree its bull chit to take away their policies no matter if they were bad policies or not. If they were fine with it they should have been allowed to keep it. Both the dems and the insurance companies allowed this to happen. We know why the insurance companies and the dems did it money. The dems were paid off By the insurance lobbyist and the insurance companies wrote the bill so they would get higher Profits.
Not sure? Who in their right mind would cancel their insurance policy on purpose, so that they could try to purchase ObummerCare at two or sometimes three times the cost, and with much greater deductibles.
Sign your names here ___________________, if that's what you want! I'll not hold my breath waiting!!
A man wrote… I'm a 54-year-old consulting engineer and make between $60,000 and $125,000 per year, depending on how hard I work and whether or not there are work projects out there for me.
My girlfriend is 61 and makes about $18,000 per year, working as a part-time mail clerk.
For me, making $60,000 a year, under Obama Care, the cheapest, lowest grade policy I can buy, which also happens to impose a $5,000 deductible, costs $482 per month.
For my girlfriend, the same exact policy, same deductible, costs $1 per month. That's right, $1 per month. I'm not making this up.
Don't believe me? Just go to www.coveredca.gov, the Obama Care website for California and enter the parameters I've mentioned above and see for yourself. By the way, my zip code is 93940. You'll need to enter that.
So OK, clearly Obama Care is a scheme that involves putting the cost burden of healthcare onto the middle and upper-income wage earners. But there's a lot more to it. Stick with me.
And before I make my next points, I'd like you to think about something:
I live in Monterey County, in Central California. We have a large land mass but just 426,000 residents - about the population of Colorado Springs or the city of Omaha.
But we do have a large Hispanic population, including a large number of illegal aliens, and to serve this group we have Natividad Medical Center, a massive, Federally subsidized county medical complex that takes up an area about one-third the size of the Chrysler Corporation automobile assembly plant in Belvedere, Illinois (see Google Earth View). Natividad has state-of-the-art operating rooms, Computed Tomography and Magnetic Resonance Imaging, fully equipped, 24 hour emergency room, and much more. If you have no insurance, if you've been in a drive-by shooting or have overdosed on crack cocaine, this is where you go. And it's essentially free, because almost everyone who ends up in the ER is uninsured.
Last year, 2,735 babies were born at Natividad. 32% of these were born to out-of-wedlock teenage mothers, 93% of which were Hispanic. Less than 20% could demonstrate proof of citizenship, and 71% listed their native language as Spanish. Of these 876 births, only 40 were covered under [any kind of] private health insurance. The taxpayers paid for the other 836. And in case you were wondering about the entire population - all 2,735 births - less than 24% involved insured coverage or even partial payment on behalf of the patient to the hospital in exchange for services. Keep this in mind as we move forward.
Now consider this:
If I want to upgrade my policy to a low-deductible premium policy, such as what I had with my last employer, my cost is $886 per month. But my girlfriend can upgrade her policy to the very same level, for just $4 per month. That's right, $4 per month. $48 per year for a zero-deductible, premium healthcare policy - the kind of thing you get when you work at IBM (except of course, IBM employees pay an average of $170 per month out of pocket for their coverage).
I mean, it's bad enough that I will be forced to subsidize the Obama Care scheme in the first place. But even if I agreed with the basic scheme, which of course I do not, I would never agree to subsidize premium policies. If I have to pay $482 a month for a budget policy, I sure as hell do not want the guy I'm subsidizing to get a better policy, for less that 1% of what I have to fork out each month for a low-end policy.
Why must I pay $482 per month for something the other guy gets for a dollar? And why should the other guy get to buy an $886 policy for $4 a month? Think about this: I have to pay $10,632 a year for the same thing that the other guy can get for $48. $10,000 of net income is 60 days of full time work as an engineer. $48 is something I could pay for collecting aluminum cans and plastic bottles, one day a month.
Are you with me on this? Are you starting to get an idea what Obama Care is really about?
Obama Care is not about dealing with inequities in the healthcare system. That's just the cover story. The real story is that it is a massive, political power grab. Do you think anyone who can insure himself with a premium policy for $4 a month will vote for anyone but the political party that provides him such a deal? Obama Care is about enabling, subsidizing, and expanding the Left's political power base, at taxpayer expense. Why would I vote for anyone but a Democrat if I can have babies for $4 a month? For that matter, why would I go to college or strive for a better job or income if it means I have to pay real money for healthcare coverage? Heck, why study engineering when I can be a schlub for $20K per year and buy a new F-150 with all the money I'm saving?
And think about those $4-a-month babies - think in terms of propagation models. Think of just how many babies will be born to irresponsible, under-educated mothers. Will we get a new crop of brain surgeons and particle physicists from the dollar baby club, or will we need more cops, criminal courts and prisons? One thing you can be certain of: At $4 a month, they'll multiply, and multiply, and multiply. And not one of them will vote Republican.
Obama Care: It's all about political power.
Thank you ss12 for posting this piece of reality and injustice, it shows how corrupt our government under Obummer has become. It also shows how their priorities are not for the true American citizen.
Not sure? Who in their right mind would cancel their insurance policy on purpose, so that they could try to purchase ObummerCare at two or sometimes three times the cost, and with much greater deductibles.
Sign your names here ___________________, if that's what you want! I'll not hold my breath waiting!!
No, I agree with you on that part. what I meant was not all the increase in sign ups was from people getting their policies cancelled but, I agree it's total bs as to what happen here and I think you and I can agree on.
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