Kenseth WAY TO GO!!

[25drtrkr]

Even though Im a big 24 fan, I am now a Kenseth fan! After he bumped Logano to take the lead, I called him a wuss to one of my friends. I believe getting wrecked by Kezhorseski caused Kenseth to lose it and crash Logano.

Good for him, Logano deserved it! He just learned a valuable racing lesson, "the older the bull, the STIFFER the horn"! Bowyer had to learn it, and Logano now has learned it!

[kidrock]

I know one thing if lagono paid me back the next week I can guarantee you he won't be winning at Homestead lol.

[Raceready]

Mat didn't exact his payback because Logano cost him a win in another race. Mat's payback was payback for Logano taking Mat out of the chase. Logan had two wins to his credit, was safely into this round of the Chase competition to race for the title, and STILL decided that since he couldn't figure out a way past Kenseth clean, he would just move hi right on up out of the way and take the win. Which is fine and dandy, as long as the win in that one race is ALL you are racing for. But Logano didn't just wreck him out of a single race win, he wrecked him completely out of a shot at the Championship and quite frankly, when you are safely into the next round, wrecking some guy just because you can is bound to get you all the retribution you can stomach. I saw Kenseth after Kansas, and his comments were basically, Ok, fine, Logano wants to race that way, that's fine, but the bottom line is he is running for a championship and if this is what he is going to do, then you know, you might find that you are going to have a hard time winning that championship in the next coming races. Yesterday Mat made it clear what he meant. You wreck me out of the Championship, then if I get the chance, I am going to wreck your Championship too. And that is exactly what he did. Had Logano run Mat clean at Kansas, Mat wins, both go into the next round and then all bets are off, it's every man for himself. But at some point Logano needs to understand that if you want to win the whole thing, you best not be doing stupid crap along the way to other folks who are fighting to stay in contention too. And Logano wrecking Kenseth at Kansas was the stupidest thing he could have possible done. Cooperation is just as much a part of lifting that trophy at the end of the season as beating and banging is on the run to it. But just because you CAN wreck someone for a single race win, it's not always the smartest move to make. Especially under the Chase format where a win gets you into the next round. Logically Kenseth was not a real threat to Logano for the Championship. Logano is fast, the team is on fire, he's winning like crazy, so its not like Mat is some threat that Logano is better off if he's not in contention. But Logano took Mat out, and now instead of being a guy that Logano can look at in the 8 and say "don't need to worry about beating him, I practically let him stay in the Chase at Kansas" now Logano has created an enemy, a guy with an axe to grind who wants payback and while it may cost him a fine or suspension, Logano may have lost the Championship over it. NOT smart at all. Logano has no one but himself to blame for this. I've watched plenty of races where the guy in second is hammering away to try to get by the guy in front but decides, in the end, that second place is better than running the risk of wrecking yourself in the process, costing both of you points and money, and making an enemy that could come back to bite you. When Logano wrecked Kenseth at Kansas, he didn't just wreck Kenseth's race win and shot at the next round of the Chase. He wrecked his own chances at winning the Championship, too.

Great post for sure. How many times have we seen a glory hound like the immature Logano take out both himself and the leader rather to live to fight another day by being satisfied with 2nd. I'll lay you 10 to 1 odds that some poor old stiff on a shoestring budget wouldn't dare do such a foolish thing as the kid did to Kenseth if meant putting yourself at risk for some bad karma farther down the road.

[A ron]

TS fan if you add up the points for the entire year of 2014, the 24 is the winner all the way. Kevin was fast all year but they made a ton of mistakes. This is from Jayski Unofficial Top 25 in 2014 Sprint Cup Driver Points Standings (not the Chase): [after Homestead, race 36 of 36] (using current points system, but not the Chase rules, unofficial) 1) #24-Jeff Gordon(EC), 1253 2) #22-Joey Logano(C4), 1216, -37 3) #2-Brad Keselowski(EC), 1179, -74 4) #88-Dale Earnhardt Jr.(EC), 1175, -78 5) #4-Kevin Harvick(CH), 1171, -82 6) #31-Ryan Newman(C2), 1136, -117 7) #20-Matt Kenseth(EC), 1131, -122 8) #42-Kyle Larson #, 1080, -173 9) #48-Jimmie Johnson(EC), 1067, -186 10) #99-Carl Edwards(EC), 1059, -194 11) #1-Jamie McMurray, 1014, -239 12) #16-Greg Biffle(EC), 1000, -253 13) #11-Denny Hamlin(C3), 987, -266 (missed a races) 14) #15-Clint Bowyer, 979, -274 15) #18-Kyle Busch(EC), 969, -284 16) #5-Kasey Kahne(EC), 966, -287 17) #3-Austin Dillon #, 958, -295 18) #27-Paul Menard, 944, -309 19) #55-Brian Vickers, 921, -332 20) #41-Kurt Busch(EC), 911, -342 21) #9-Marcos Ambrose, 872, -381 22) #47-AJ Allmendinger(EC), 868, -385 23) #78-Martin Truex Jr., 857, -396 24) #43-Aric Almirola(EC), 820, -433 25) #14-Tony Stewart, 799, -454 (missed 3 races)

[A ron]

Sorry guys for some reason this site deletes my spaces

[mudslinger47]

TS fan if you add up the points for the entire year of 2014, the 24 is the winner all the way. Kevin was fast all year but they made a ton of mistakes. This is from Jayski Unofficial Top 25 in 2014 Sprint Cup Driver Points Standings (not the Chase): [after Homestead, race 36 of 36] (using current points system, but not the Chase rules, unofficial) 1) #24-Jeff Gordon(EC), 1253 2) #22-Joey Logano(C4), 1216, -37 3) #2-Brad Keselowski(EC), 1179, -74 4) #88-Dale Earnhardt Jr.(EC), 1175, -78 5) #4-Kevin Harvick(CH), 1171, -82 6) #31-Ryan Newman(C2), 1136, -117 7) #20-Matt Kenseth(EC), 1131, -122 8) #42-Kyle Larson #, 1080, -173 9) #48-Jimmie Johnson(EC), 1067, -186 10) #99-Carl Edwards(EC), 1059, -194 11) #1-Jamie McMurray, 1014, -239 12) #16-Greg Biffle(EC), 1000, -253 13) #11-Denny Hamlin(C3), 987, -266 (missed a races) 14) #15-Clint Bowyer, 979, -274 15) #18-Kyle Busch(EC), 969, -284 16) #5-Kasey Kahne(EC), 966, -287 17) #3-Austin Dillon #, 958, -295 18) #27-Paul Menard, 944, -309 19) #55-Brian Vickers, 921, -332 20) #41-Kurt Busch(EC), 911, -342 21) #9-Marcos Ambrose, 872, -381 22) #47-AJ Allmendinger(EC), 868, -385 23) #78-Martin Truex Jr., 857, -396 24) #43-Aric Almirola(EC), 820, -433 25) #14-Tony Stewart, 799, -454 (missed 3 races)

Kool thank you....

[CIRF]

Just couldn't resist posting this! LOL!

[25drtrkr]

Just couldn't resist posting this! LOL!

Too funny!.......hopefully, Daddy Logano is laying on the ground with a bleeding nose and mouth! lol

[ss12]

Penalty Announcement: Kenseth suspended 2 races; Patrick fined: Matt Kenseth , the driver of the #20 car, has been penalized for an infraction that occurred during the Nov. 1 race at Martinsville Speedway. This is a Behavioral Penalty (Sections 12.1, 12.8). Kenseth has been suspended from NASCAR through the completion of the next two NASCAR Sprint Cup Series championship events and placed on NASCAR probation for a six-month period following issuance of the penalty notice.
"Based upon our extensive review, we have concluded that the #20 car driver, who is no longer in the Chase, intentionally wrecked the #22 car driver, a Chase-eligible competitor who was leading the race at the time,"said Steve O'Donnell, NASCAR executive vice president and chief racing development officer. "The #20 car was nine laps down, and eliminated the #22 car's opportunity to continue to compete in the race.
"Additionally, we factored aspects of safety into our decision, and also the fact that the new Chase elimination format puts a premium on each and every race. These actions have no place in NASCAR."

[25drtrkr]

Penalty Announcement: Kenseth suspended 2 races; Patrick fined: Matt Kenseth , the driver of the #20 car, has been penalized for an infraction that occurred during the Nov. 1 race at Martinsville Speedway. This is a Behavioral Penalty (Sections 12.1, 12.8). Kenseth has been suspended from NASCAR through the completion of the next two NASCAR Sprint Cup Series championship events and placed on NASCAR probation for a six-month period following issuance of the penalty notice.
"Based upon our extensive review, we have concluded that the #20 car driver, who is no longer in the Chase, intentionally wrecked the #22 car driver, a Chase-eligible competitor who was leading the race at the time,"said Steve O'Donnell, NASCAR executive vice president and chief racing development officer. "The #20 car was nine laps down, and eliminated the #22 car's opportunity to continue to compete in the race.
"Additionally, we factored aspects of safety into our decision, and also the fact that the new Chase elimination format puts a premium on each and every race. These actions have no place in NASCAR."

Ok, Nascar, enough with the PC!........now, go shake Kenseths hand and thank him for the millions of $$$, he will make you over the next few weeks!

[TS FAN]

Funny thing. Patrick does the same thing, and skates with a hand slap. OK, it is who are and who you know. If Matt gets two, Patrick should get one at least for doing the same thing.

[mudslinger47]

Funny thing. Patrick does the same thing, and skates with a hand slap. OK, it is who are and who you know. If Matt gets two, Patrick should get one at least for doing the same thing.

I don't have a problem with NASCAR assigning penalty.... that's fine....but they need to be absolutely consistent. And they ain't even close...

[t.nie]

Here's what was announced:

Penalty Announcement: Kenseth suspended 2 races; Patrick fined: Matt Kenseth , the driver of the #20 car, has been penalized for an infraction that occurred during the Nov. 1 race at Martinsville Speedway. This is a Behavioral Penalty (Sections 12.1, 12.8). Kenseth has been suspended from NASCAR through the completion of the next two NASCAR Sprint Cup Series championship events and placed on NASCAR probation for a six-month period following issuance of the penalty notice.

"Based upon our extensive review, we have concluded that the #20 car driver, who is no longer in the Chase, intentionally wrecked the #22 car driver, a Chase-eligible competitor who was leading the race at the time,"said Steve O'Donnell, NASCAR executive vice president and chief racing development officer. "The #20 car was nine laps down, and eliminated the #22 car's opportunity to continue to compete in the race.

"Additionally, we factored aspects of safety into our decision, and also the fact that the new Chase elimination format puts a premium on each and every race. These actions have no place in NASCAR."

Here's what I heard:

"Based upon our extensive review of the Kansas incident, we have concluded that the #20 car driver is old and on his way out in NASCAR and is no longer in the Chase as he was intentionally wrecked by the #22 car driver, a young up and coming racer who has an appeal with a certain element attractive to NASCAR and LGBT activists, at Kansas when both were Chase-eligible competitors. The #20 was leading the race at the time,"said Steve O'Donnell, NASCAR executive vice president and chief favoritism officer. "The #22 car was unable to pass cleanly, so he eliminated the #20 car's opportunity to continue to compete in the race."

"Additionally, we factored aspects of safety into our decision, and also the fact that the new Chase elimination format puts a premium on each and every race. These actions have no place in NASCAR but we will overlook it just this once because we all know what a sweet boy the #22 driver is, and how cute he is when he smiles, and how certain folks just wanna squeeze those dimples! And really, speedways aren't that dangerous, it's not like anyone has ever died wrecking on one."

O'Donell went on to say ""Based upon our extensive review of Martinsville, we have concluded that the #20 car driver, who is no longer in the Chase and again, will probably be out of NASCAR in less than a few years, intentionally wrecked the #22 car driver, a Chase-eligible competitor who was leading the race at the time and frankly, a guy we really like and feel sorry for and think would make a great Champion" said Steve O'Donnell, NASCAR executive vice president and chief racing development officer. "The #20 car was nine laps down this time, instead of leading the race, when he eliminated the #22 car's opportunity to continue to compete in the race, just like the #22 did when the #20 was leading the race at Kansas. The difference we see is we like little Joey, our other Rainbow Warrior is on his farewell tour, and he's so cute and has so much future sponsor potential and we love Roger Penske, he has a great yacht to party on. So of course, his actions cannot be tolerated by the good old boys... errrr.. NASCAR."

"Additionally, we factored aspects of safety into our decision, and also the fact that the new Chase elimination format puts a premium on each and every race. As Martinsville is known as The Graveyard because of the incredibly high speeds, g forces, and potential threat to life and limb should a competitor hit a wall there, we cannot tolerate any deliberate spinning of a competitor at such a highly dangerous venue. Basically, if you want to wreck someone, don't do it on the half mile, do it at a speedway where it is much much safer. These actions have no place in NASCAR this time... maybe next time.... or the time after.... but it depends on what the first letter of your last name is and if it occurs during a waxing or waning moon..... lot of things have to be factored into these decisions...stuff you wouldn't understand."

[t.nie]

Dumbest part of the whole thing is NASCAR invokes "safety" and "the Chase" as their grounds for punishing Mat, but completely forget about it when Joey wrecked Mat.

So, safety matters, when it comes to one of their favorites, but it doesn't matter when its not.

So, the chase elimination factor matters when it comes to their favorites, but it doesn't matter when its not.

Its such a ridiculous blatant example of the ever moving standards in NASCAR. People quit watching when the people making the rules keep reinterpreting their own rules every other week.

If they had just said "#20 suspended two races for conduct detrimental to the sport, he interfered with another competitor's ability to fairly compete when he was not contending for a race position with that competitor" and left it at that, I'd be like Ok, that's a fair call and fair explanation.

But to invoke "safety" and the seriousness of knocking out a Chase competitor, well then no one ever should be making any contact deliberately and they ought to just park everyone not in the Chase once the Chase starts.

[formercrewguy]

There is no truth to the rumor that Logano Sr. bought France a new bass boat................

[A ron]

Where was this penalty when Logano nearly killed Hamlin doing the same thing a few years ago?

[dirtsforracin]

Where was this penalty when Logano nearly killed Hamlin doing the same thing a few years ago?

My thoughts exactly.

[TS FAN]

Here is the question i have. Why doesn't Nascar issue penalties for certain types of behavior in the chase? For instance, "if we deem it to be that a driver purposely crashes out a chase driver, then the penalty will be this------" But no, we have to guess what penalties will be and maybe depending on who is driving the offending car.

[TS FAN]

TS fan if you add up the points for the entire year of 2014, the 24 is the winner all the way. Kevin was fast all year but they made a ton of mistakes. This is from Jayski Unofficial Top 25 in 2014 Sprint Cup Driver Points Standings (not the Chase): [after Homestead, race 36 of 36] (using current points system, but not the Chase rules, unofficial) 1) #24-Jeff Gordon(EC), 1253 2) #22-Joey Logano(C4), 1216, -37 3) #2-Brad Keselowski(EC), 1179, -74 4) #88-Dale Earnhardt Jr.(EC), 1175, -78 5) #4-Kevin Harvick(CH), 1171, -82 6) #31-Ryan Newman(C2), 1136, -117 7) #20-Matt Kenseth(EC), 1131, -122 8) #42-Kyle Larson #, 1080, -173 9) #48-Jimmie Johnson(EC), 1067, -186 10) #99-Carl Edwards(EC), 1059, -194 11) #1-Jamie McMurray, 1014, -239 12) #16-Greg Biffle(EC), 1000, -253 13) #11-Denny Hamlin(C3), 987, -266 (missed a races) 14) #15-Clint Bowyer, 979, -274 15) #18-Kyle Busch(EC), 969, -284 16) #5-Kasey Kahne(EC), 966, -287 17) #3-Austin Dillon #, 958, -295 18) #27-Paul Menard, 944, -309 19) #55-Brian Vickers, 921, -332 20) #41-Kurt Busch(EC), 911, -342 21) #9-Marcos Ambrose, 872, -381 22) #47-AJ Allmendinger(EC), 868, -385 23) #78-Martin Truex Jr., 857, -396 24) #43-Aric Almirola(EC), 820, -433 25) #14-Tony Stewart, 799, -454 (missed 3 races)

I appreciate your effort of gaining that info. But the problem is that those were the rules from back in 2003. Teams gear up for the chase rules, including taking chances and testing for the chase. Teams would all approach the season differently if the rules were the same as before. However, I will say that the 24 probably deserved to win the Championship in 2007. Just like Joey or Kevin deserve to win it this year. But if they don't, the record book will only record who won.

[A ron]

TS the problem with having a rule for manipulating the championship is the lack of ways of proving or even knowing what a driver's intent was. You didn't have people manipulating before the Chase era because it was nearly impossible. It's too easy to do now with the points always being so close together. I feel like the champion for the year should have the overall best performance for THE YEAR, not just 10 or actually less then that now. It puts that much more emphasis on luck and manipulation. If you don't think the 24 deserved 2014: One cut tire at Texas took the title from the 24 last year. Lead the points all year, A 2nd at Martinsville, dominated the Texas race before the cut tire on a late restart thanks to Mouthlowski, then top 5 at Phoenix I think, then was leading at Homestead and pitted for some mysterious reason (to let the top 4 race for the win of course)........................................... .................................................. .................................................. .................Just seems to me they are right there with wrestling now. No integrity left at all.