Extremely high rear bite numbers?

[7uptruckracer]

Please explain to me how you can set a ride height and then change springs and set the ride height back and have the same wheel weight. Lmao it don't work like that. The weight will be different at the same height because the rate of the spring is either lower or higher.

15,000 pound spring (yes you read it correctly) out of the RR of a cup car at Martinsville. By your theory I would have a hellacious wheel weight there because somehow it's created weight just sitting on the scales actually click on the links that were listed and get an education before you embarrass yourself anymore bite and cross are the same you've just pressed a different button on the scale so it reads in a format the user wants. That's why the ride height adjustments are the same for both......if I have 500 RR weight and 4" ride height I can put any spring I want as long as it's at a 4" ride height the wheel weight is the same how in the hell do you think a spring smasher works you take your center to center measurement on your coil over while its at ride height load it into the machine crank it to that center to center and read your load number. You change your spring or bump package and crank it back to that center to center. If your load number is different you know you need to adjust your collar until your load number is the same so when you put it back in the car your ride height and bite are the same THATS WHY YOU BUY THEM. That's the only thing you need to disprove your magic carpet theory

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

this is literally the dumbest thing I've seen posted here ever. Please please post this on the LM forum so more people can see it we enjoy a laugh

Maybe he is confusing ride height with adjuster height? Maybe...

[7uptruckracer]

Still doesn't justify how he thinks a spring change will change weight, for the same ride height because he is saying hes resetting ride height and still doesn't justify how he thinks Bite and Cross are different lol what can you do except hope he never gets a late model and stays in Super Streets.

[Bdcase19]

If you put a 200 lb spring and a 225lb spring in a spring dyno and compress them both to 1 inch the numbers are going to be the same? I think not! Even 2 inches one will be 400lbs and one will be 450lbs. Just like if I was to replace my rf 1100lb spring to 1200lb spring and set the ride height back to 7 1/2 inches the wheel weight will not be the same and neither will any other numbers. If that was the case why would people need to scale their cars they could just set ride heights and every number would be the exact same. As far as cross and bite they are not the same there is only one wheel weight that has anything to do with both. Cross will help turn the car. Bite tightens the car up. It's obvious.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

If you put a 200 lb spring and a 225lb spring in a spring dyno and compress them both to 1 inch the numbers are going to be the same? I think not! Even 2 inches one will be 400lbs and one will be 450lbs. Just like if I was to replace my rf 1100lb spring to 1200lb spring and set the ride height back to 7 1/2 inches the wheel weight will not be the same and neither will any other numbers. If that was the case why would people need to scale their cars they could just set ride heights and every number would be the exact same. As far as cross and bite they are not the same there is only one wheel weight that has anything to do with both. Cross will help turn the car. Bite tightens the car up. It's obvious.

*facepalm*

[7uptruckracer]

Bahahaha geezus you don't even know what equipment we are talking about. A spring rater and a spring smasher are two different things please do yourself a favor and click on the link. I can put a solid Rod in place of the spring at the same ride height and the scale number won't change lol MB don't facepalm too hard this one takes the cake

If you put a 200 lb spring and a 225lb spring in a spring dyno and compress them both to 1 inch the numbers are going to be the same? I think not! Even 2 inches one will be 400lbs and one will be 450lbs. Just like if I was to replace my rf 1100lb spring to 1200lb spring and set the ride height back to 7 1/2 inches the wheel weight will not be the same and neither will any other numbers. If that was the case why would people need to scale their cars they could just set ride heights and every number would be the exact same. As far as cross and bite they are not the same there is only one wheel weight that has anything to do with both. Cross will help turn the car. Bite tightens the car up. It's obvious.

[Bdcase19]

I know the difference. If you wasn't so caught up in your own arrogance you'd realize that I did not reference your spring smasher. That is why I said spring tester. You could take two of the exact same springs and they won't always be exactly the same, they'll be close. If two different rates of springs are preloaded and the same height the rate won't be the same. I don't understand how you could not realize this.

[Bdcase19]

If all four springs were exactly identical and the threaded collars were adjusted to be the same height, and you stand in the middle of the table, then the scales would read no differently than prior to adding the springs (except for the additional weight of the springs and collars).However, if you were to adjust the right front spring collar to slightly compress (preload) this spring, then the right front scale will register more weight. At the same time, the left rear scale will register slightly more weight. In this condition, the right rear and left front scales will register less weight, too.This is from your stupid link. Like I've been saying if you change springs it's not compressed as much or is compressed more at the same height so the wheel weight will be different. READ IT UNDERSTAND IT!

[Bdcase19]

Your talking something completely different, after looking up what a spring smasher is and does I understand what your talking about. But there is a difference in using a conventional spring a shock setup (which is what we are using here and what I've been talking about) compared to a coil over set up. Yeah sure you can get the same load at the same coil over center to center only because you can preload the spring differently on the shock body. But that does not work on a stock suspension car.

[HRE]

lets try this. if you have weight jacks, and you measure the stick out of the jack bolt say 3 inches and have a set ride height then you change springs from a 225 to a 200. then you reset your ride heights, your stick out on the jack bolts will be different, but you will have the same wheel weight. am i correct? it is on my stuff

[Bdcase19]

I understand what your saying, but how could it possibly be the same when the springs have two different rates and are supposedly compressed to the same height.

[HRE]

When you are resetting your ride heights you're not setting the spring to the same length as it was before, you're resetting your chassis ride height.

[stock car driver]

I understand what your saying, but how could it possibly be the same when the springs have two different rates and are supposedly compressed to the same height.

I d I o t

why would they be compressed to the same height ? they would not be if you were correcting your ride height back to where you had it, lol.. that is the point of "correcting the ride height or re setting it".

your the one here trying to tell everyone you know what your talking about and we all don't...

weve all been changing springs and re setting our bar, trailing arm or ride heights and ALL have the exact same corner weights you could put a board in there and still have the same corner weights on the scales if you keep the ride height the same... none of us can understand how you cant get this thru your head.

so back to one of the original questions I posed for you, whose pit do you stand around in the way in Iowa?? you clearly don't add much to the program but maybe a mud scraper!

[Dirt_Buster]

I told you to sit back and learn. Just shut up for a few years and ask questions. Seriously kid. How old are you? Guessing early 20s?

[stock car driver]

Gotta be teens to be this far off.

[Dirt_Buster]

Gotta be teens to be this far off.

I don't know SCD the ones these days been on mamas tit a little to long

[let-r-eat]

Case,

Listen to what these guys are saying. They are correct.


Put your little red wagon on the scales and look at the corner weights. The only way you can change those corner weights is by moving weight around in the wagon or by letting air out or putting air in a tire which changes the ride height of the wagon.

Letting air out or in is the same thing as changing springs.

What happens when you have 2 tires with different air pressures that keeps the wagon at the same height? Will the tire with the lower tire pressure have less weight on it than the tire with more air pressure?

The ride height is what matters to corner weights.