Tires

[Bubstr]

I can get some many more races out of grooved and siped tires. Whether its a LM tire, Mod tire or the Street Stock/Sportsman tires.

This doesn't even sound close. First, a grooved and syped tire flexes more that one that is not. Flex creates heat. Heat promotes tire wear. To counteract this, tires are ground to stop some of the flex. This in it's self shortens tire life. It's a never ending circle of procedures that promote tire wear, not extend it.

As some races are no groove or sype and some are not, with the good tire wear you get from un-cut tires, you could groove them for the next race and get back your edges and have a tire that punches just a little harder that original, due to heat cycle. A few new grooves and/or sypes and you have a good tire for a local show. That would be the best bet for tire wear.

[vande077]

personally the ONLY tire rule I am in favor of us you must use the same tires all night (makes tire selection actually matter because you have to time trial on it, run your heat, run a dash if the series has one, and run the main).

Someone may be willing to give up a fast time trial knowing they will have the best tires for the feature while someone else will want to start up front in the heat hoping they can "nurse" their tires to the end of the feature.

Makes passing actually happen because everyone is on a different agenda.

Allowing teams to change tires anytime they want costs teams a lot of $$$ IMO. making it so that decision is made right after hotlaps (or before) means no worry about giving the teams time to break down tires and mount new ones between every race. What they have on is what they are running PERIOD.

As far as grooving and siping goes, let them, but it's not allowed until after the heat races are complete.

Penalty for changing a tire (unless it gets cut DURING a race) would be starting last in the feature and no series points for that event (or track points for weekly racers, UMP points, etc., etc.).

[dirty bert]

I think swartzman is right you going too have to keep new ones on especially if you can't buff em, sure tire company's are loving this deal. You eather keep new ones on are get out of the way

[calverton]

You can buff them worked pretty good this last weekend and at the world AND VANDEO77 they have done your way in our area and most of the teams want to go one step further and go the no siping and grooving way

[Krooser]

Funny... 30 years ago we never touched our tires… run any compound you wanted. Then tire soaking came into vogue…

[MI Dirt Fan]

This doesn't even sound close. First, a grooved and syped tire flexes more that one that is not. Flex creates heat. Heat promotes tire wear. To counteract this, tires are ground to stop some of the flex. This in it's self shortens tire life. It's a never ending circle of procedures that promote tire wear, not extend it.

As some races are no groove or sype and some are not, with the good tire wear you get from un-cut tires, you could groove them for the next race and get back your edges and have a tire that punches just a little harder that original, due to heat cycle. A few new grooves and/or sypes and you have a good tire for a local show. That would be the best bet for tire wear.

6-7 years ago I grooved a set of tires for a guy during the week. They already had 2 weeks on them. Non LM. He paid me $20 a tire. He got 4 weeks out of them after that. I regrooved 2 of them after 3 weeks. 2 were still easily usable after the 4 weeks. Won 3 features and 2 heat races. 6 weeks total on the same set of tires. I've also siped tires for LM guys who have won alot of features. I came up with the multi blade siper tool long before it was on the market. Was a secret tool i used. Never thought it would be available to buy. To speed up the process i will sometimes use 2 tire groovers to work a tire.

Never soaked any though. It can be too risky. Although I know guys who do.

Loose lips, sink ships.

[Mams]

Doug Drown used the same set of tires that were neither grooved nor siped two weeks in a row at Attica & won both weeks (including hot laps, heats & features). He did it in preparation for the new rules for this year's World 100. LM20's & LM30 RR. Guess it depends on the driver & track surface.

[calverton]

Exactly Krooser and different makes tires combo

[Stede Bonnet]

Some of us have full time jobs. When you're working 8-6, 5 days a week and have to spend 20+ hours a week cutting tires, that leaves very little time to touch the racecar, much less fix damage and make improvements. We race at the local/regional level and have considered several times trying to pay someone to help with tires but its just not in the budget. If you aren't 110% on your tire game these days, you're getting beat by someone who is. Some people have full-time crew guys, yes even at the local level, so the notion that everyone gets the same amount of time between events isn't exactly true. Time is money. But we'll continue to make the most out of what we're given.

Maybe allow groove/sipe/needle right rear only and grind the rest... Would this help and still leave room for skills in that area?

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

Here we go to having to have new tires on everytime you go onto the track again.. i am sure the tire manufacturers are going to be behind it..

There are guys that do that now. It will be impossible to compete with used tires you can't cut and freshen up a bit.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

I knew that at the world some drivers were astonished how the tires looked

I was not astonished at how poorly they performed.

[Josh Bayko]

Funny... 30 years ago we never touched our tires… run any compound you wanted. Then tire soaking came into vogue…

I crewed with a team 30 years ago, albeit in a division other than late models. Dudes were juicing then, too. It's hardly a new phenomenon.

[fastford]

grooving and siping is something about any one can learn to do that actually could save the budget racer money, this whole conversation is the problem and where racing is headed , ie: every one run the same tire, everyone run the same shocks and rear configurations, every one run the same engine, everyone run the same body that the series tells you to buy from a specific manufacturer, you must run the seat they tell you to run , next they will be telling you what each tire has to weigh, where does this end? starting to sound more and more like nascar to me, no innovation allowed unless every one can have it , remember the davenport deal? when it gets to this point, then im through.......

[calverton]

I was not astonished at how poorly they performed.

wth friday night was wasn't great lol were they a lil slower yes but the racing was off the chart sat night the track was not the same but go ahead blame the tires and guess what butter cup it soon will be the rule

[calverton]

grooving and siping is something about any one can learn to do that actually could save the budget racer money, this whole conversation is the problem and where racing is headed , ie: every one run the same tire, everyone run the same shocks and rear configurations, every one run the same engine, everyone run the same body that the series tells you to buy from a specific manufacturer, you must run the seat they tell you to run , next they will be telling you what each tire has to weigh, where does this end? starting to sound more and more like nascar to me, no innovation allowed unless every one can have it , remember the davenport deal? when it gets to this point, then im through.......

you want racing at the next level well here it is

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

grooving and siping is something about any one can learn to do that actually could save the budget racer money, this whole conversation is the problem and where racing is headed , ie: every one run the same tire, everyone run the same shocks and rear configurations, every one run the same engine, everyone run the same body that the series tells you to buy from a specific manufacturer, you must run the seat they tell you to run , next they will be telling you what each tire has to weigh, where does this end? starting to sound more and more like nascar to me, no innovation allowed unless every one can have it , remember the davenport deal? when it gets to this point, then im through.......

Those 7 or 8 top teams get what they want when it comes to rules. Monkey stuff up so they can have penske build them a way around the rules so the local guy won't beat them. Go to no groove tires so they don't have to work as hard. Then the photographer and the meter reader put it in the Lucas rules and all the series around the country think it is great for their racers too. It is flat disgusting!

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

wth friday night was wasn't great lol were they a lil slower yes but the racing was off the chart sat night the track was not the same but go ahead blame the tires and guess what butter cup it soon will be the rule

The cars were slow as hell because of the tires. And yes. It will be the rule because the elite teams want it. And the lower series will foolishly follow along.

[calverton]

wrong the weekly racers want it at least in my area they do which is UMP and that's 4 tracks right there

[calverton]

The cars were slow as hell because of the tires. And yes. It will be the rule because the elite teams want it. And the lower series will foolishly follow along.

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[MasterSbilt_Racer]

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Yes they were. And they robbed Erb with it.