Tires

[Centeroff]

Calverton, now your wrong. If you let the tires soak up the sun it will actually soften the rubber. People cook tires in an oven to just below melting point, remove the tire and let it cool and will actually punch 5-15 points harder. Baking the tires is an old go kart trick for a track with a tire rule. Especially on those locked down day races. Back in the day we just had 2-3-4 year old tires we ran and naturally the same compound tire was a little harder. Nowadays these tracks check the dates on your tires so you can't run the old/ hard stuff. That's where the old oven comes into play. I guarantee a few on here know exactly what I'm talking about lol

[calverton]

As long as you don't put that special sauce from tennesee on them they would be legal, my question why do they wrap the tires

[cutman]

Those 7 or 8 top teams get what they want when it comes to rules. Monkey stuff up so they can have penske build them a way around the rules so the local guy won't beat them. Go to no groove tires so they don't have to work as hard. Then the photographer and the meter reader put it in the Lucas rules and all the series around the country think it is great for their racers too. It is flat disgusting!

The meter reader 😂. I heard he is gone from Lucas.

[Stede Bonnet]

grooving and siping is something about any one can learn to do that actually could save the budget racer money, this whole conversation is the problem and where racing is headed , ie: every one run the same tire, everyone run the same shocks and rear configurations, every one run the same engine, everyone run the same body that the series tells you to buy from a specific manufacturer, you must run the seat they tell you to run , next they will be telling you what each tire has to weigh, where does this end? starting to sound more and more like nascar to me, no innovation allowed unless every one can have it , remember the davenport deal? when it gets to this point, then im through.......

I agree, but there is a generation coming along that has been trained and educated to think this way, that we should all strive for mediocrity, not excellence. I like open tire rules, I left karting when all the "same-same" rules came along. In my early years I soaked and treated tires(it was legal), but as I found out how bad it could be for you I changed strategy and bought more compounds. I learned how to read the clay and chose the right tires for the conditions and actually ran better than when I was focused on treating harder rubbers to make them softer.

[fastford]

i dont have a problem with spec tires, i think they do save the budget racer money, and i dont believe in doping, but grooving , siping and grinding creates competition and may be time consuming , but i have more time than i do money.

[superstock79]

The tire debate in dirt late model racing is insane! It never ends. Just let them do whatever they want to the tires and be done with it! At the end of the day, the fast drivers will still be fast, and the slow drivers will still be slow.

[Necrosis]

Calverton, now your wrong. If you let the tires soak up the sun it will actually soften the rubber. People cook tires in an oven to just below melting point, remove the tire and let it cool and will actually punch 5-15 points harder. Baking the tires is an old go kart trick for a track with a tire rule. Especially on those locked down day races. Back in the day we just had 2-3-4 year old tires we ran and naturally the same compound tire was a little harder. Nowadays these tracks check the dates on your tires so you can't run the old/ hard stuff. That's where the old oven comes into play. I guarantee a few on here know exactly what I'm talking about lol

Really, just below melting point, huh? What is, in your experience, the melting point of a racing tire like we run in DLM's? And soaking up sun? Surely you don't intend to have us believe that exposure to ozone and UV-initiated oxidation are performance aids? For the people wondering about wrapping tires, it's simple. #1-less exposure to sunlight, UV. This keeps the light end esters and aromatics used in production from degrading. #2-You can unload, roll through tech, etc, and not get your tires all frickin muddy.

[Necrosis]

As an addendum, the sun is fine short-term, especially when trying to grow a tire for stagger, but that's about it. It is in no way comparable to an oven.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

Really, just below melting point, huh? What is, in your experience, the melting point of a racing tire like we run in DLM's? And soaking up sun? Surely you don't intend to have us believe that exposure to ozone and UV-initiated oxidation are performance aids? For the people wondering about wrapping tires, it's simple. #1-less exposure to sunlight, UV. This keeps the light end esters and aromatics used in production from degrading. #2-You can unload, roll through tech, etc, and not get your tires all frickin muddy.

Aromatics? We want to keep the tire smelling fresh?

[Highside Hustler25]

For all the tire experts on here, Josh Richards and Best Motorsports are looking for a highly motivated tire specialist for the 2017 season. You're also gonna have to wash the rig.

[Necrosis]

Aromatics? We want to keep the tire smelling fresh?

RAE's (residual aromatic extracts) make up most of your common plasticizers in tire manufacturing, and aromatic hydrocarbons (-ene's) are widely used as well. They are the chemicals that experience degredation the quickest when exposed to UV/Ozone. I'm sensing a fair bit of sarcasm, as surely this isn't news to you. Seems Centeroff decided to forgo his instructor duties today. A true shame!

[Centeroff]

Necrosis, if you have never baked a tire to harden it, I'm doubting you ever seen a racecar. Oldest trick in the book. Since my post offended you, google it so you can prove yourself wrong!

[Centeroff]

http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,220995,221010 Necrosis, this isn't the beginners only thread. Or no it all!

[calverton]

Did you even read the page mighty big oven for ntpra tires lmao

[Centeroff]

You can bake any tire. That was the first thread that popped up. Not saying it's legal but it's done quite often especially at the tire rule tracks. I have done a many ss11 Burris kart tires myself. Just an old trick to harden a tire.

[Centeroff]

http://www.4m.net/archive/index.php/t-175266.html Read this thread. Hillbilly deluxe knows what he is talking about. You bake a tire correctly it will punch 5-10 points harder.

[Necrosis]

You said right below the melting point, idiot. I have a VERY nice oven rotisserie that'll fit 4 tires, use it often. I want you to tell me what that temperature is that you say is effective, and what the melting point is. Because NONE of the dedicated tire ovens can get to even half the melting point of these tires. Again, made to look foolish, OffCenter. I promise you there are a few here getting quite a laugh out of this, as a few here KNOW how much tire "research" I've been involved in lately. And you still fail to recognize the ultimate irony of our little exchanges... But it's too funny to stop.

[buster83]

it seems like someone whined about it claim unfair competition with the tires and after 60 years here we are but if u came this far and know what it does when it will happen for the driver u wonder why they even show up cause u r taking away a little of the drivers comfort zone.

[Stede Bonnet]

Calverton, now your wrong. If you let the tires soak up the sun it will actually soften the rubber. People cook tires in an oven to just below melting point, remove the tire and let it cool and will actually punch 5-15 points harder. Baking the tires is an old go kart trick for a track with a tire rule. Especially on those locked down day races. Back in the day we just had 2-3-4 year old tires we ran and naturally the same compound tire was a little harder. Nowadays these tracks check the dates on your tires so you can't run the old/ hard stuff. That's where the old oven comes into play. I guarantee a few on here know exactly what I'm talking about lol

I only ever cooked my tires to increase roll-out, never to change hardness. Heat and UV rays are the enemy of rubber, it pulls the oils out of the rubber and shortens the tires life.

[calverton]

He knew that lmao