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I think some are confused about who wants the illegal immigration and why. It's all about capitalizing on cheap labor. The game has been going on since before this nation was
formed. We have had indentured servants and even slaves. Since then some of our big business have encouraged legal immigration and lobbied to increase quotas contently.
The argument is, "We don't have qualified people for the job". The truth is we don't have qualified people to do the job at minimum wage or below. A lot of these are being
trained by the people they will replace for half the wage. The bottom line is, if you have abundant cheap labor, it drives the cost of all labor down. Make no mistake about it.
It has effected your pay already. In days gone by, the immigrant was just used for common labor. Now it's cheaper and legal to ship the common labor jobs to cheap labor
countries. No welfare, health care or Income tax withholding. Now the target is low end of the high tech jobs. You can't blame these immigrants for wanting a piece of the American
dream. But you can blame the big business for giving them your piece of that dream.
The same reason is involved in Illegal immigration. Some would say no one wants those farm jobs or slaughter hose jobs. They don't for minimum wage. The slaughter house
job at one time, was a good job. When these jobs are taken by cheap labor, the disposed cheap labor picks up some education and will do your job cheaper than you. This drives the
cost of all labor down. Our Representatives and Senators are making this possible. So much working for you. They aren't even working for the New World order. They're working for
the guy that pays them.
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This tightening of immigration coupled with easing of regulations could in fact LOWER prices. The ONLY thing that lowers price is competition. Without competition cheap labor ONLY leads to more profit. Less regulations and fair immigration laws might increase competition. Companies should be looking for alternative methods of payment they can writeoff such as providing housing, cell phones etc.
Last edited by balljoint; 01-30-2017 at 07:49 PM.
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Wow!! A typical brainwashed delusional liberal, just passed through here. Kinda wish we could trade those type for some real loyal immigrants..
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 Originally Posted by stock car driver
lower only and only.........dont need to be yelled, yelling doesnt make what you say any more true...
I suppose makes sense you would think it does, similar to trump who thinks he can say things enough times and they will become true. or if he throws a tantrum enough times theyll become true..
fake pics of low turn out, 3 million fraudulent voters, bahahaha, I cant imagine how long this list will be in 4 years if he makes it that long
typical bully tactics
Not my opinion. Taught in school. Called economics. Some people's major.
We'll see.
Last edited by balljoint; 01-30-2017 at 09:18 PM.
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Tightening of immigration is not going to lower prices. It will raise prices. You have never seen prices lower for more than a temporary time period. If done, prices will go up and if policy is supported, wages will go up to make it seem like prices went down. This is not a over night fix for our economy. It took 5 decades to get it the way it is now. What most people miss, is a good economy is not about how much money there is, if it was, we would have the best economy ever. We make more money every year. It is about how much money is circulated threw the economy. For this to happen, the majority of people have to have spendable income. The high point of our economy was in the 60s. The buying power of minimum wage equaled around $16 in today's money. That made for a lot more spendable income, that supported a lot more business. Now you know why all these stores in the strip malls are closed and one of the reasons the entertainment businesses like racing are not doing well.
Now someone will say, "minimum wage was only $1.50 then. Yes it was and a adult race ticket cost $3.00 or 2 hours of work. Now it takes over 3 hours of work for the $25.00 ticket. This is the effect that Too much immigration legal or not and loss of unions has had on us. They came and stole our money a penny at a time over 50 years and we didn't see it coming or feel the effects.
We always hear about job creators. There is only one job creator. That is a well paid lower and middle class. Moving money creates jobs.
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Originally Posted by Bubstr
Tightening of immigration is not going to lower prices. It will raise prices.
You're assuming everything else stays the same in a purely competitive market. Its not a purely competitive market. Less regulations and immigration fairness could move the market towards that though, lowering prices
Is it an oligopoly or a competitive market? Profit margins?
Technological progress? http://www.goodfruit.com/growers-get...machine-video/
"A California company that is developing a vacuum apple picker with support from the Washington Tree Fruit Research Commission has made significant progress on a prototype and is working to raise capital for commercial development.
Abundant Robotics Inc., a spinoff of SRI International, hosted closed sessions at several Washington orchards last fall to evaluate and demonstrate the efficacy of the machinery for some growers, picking thousands of apples in the process.
The company will be in Australia in April to test newly added technologies before returning to Washington again this fall for further evaluation, according to Dr. Curt Salisbury, Abundant’s chief technology officer.
The Research Commission has already appropriated $550,000 toward the project so far, and Salisbury delivered a progress report at the Commission’s Technology Research Review in Ellensburg, Washington, in February.
“We’re extremely passionate about this and really excited,” he said. “We’re grateful to do something that could potentially have an impact.”
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Ok, What happens when that super apple picker is reality? It puts thousands of uneducated apple pickers out of work. They then pick up a little education and take the auto mechanics job for half price. The displaced auto worker get some classes and takes the computer specialist's job for lass. All in all his apple picker has taken a lot o circulating money out of the economy and everyone knows what that means. Closed mom and pop stores, taking more circulating income. Meanwhile the farmer with the super apple picker takes the added income from saved wages and does nothing about lowering prices, until the next farmer makes a super apple picker. Competition. Prices didn't go down, but opportunities to make a living did. No Mom and Pop store= no kid to sweep up, no sales lady to sell goods, no accountant, no goods supplier and heaven forbid if they sold apples, that farmer put himself out of business. But this is why we have little need for wagon wheel makers now days. As far as prices going down, that will only happen when there is competition.
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Prices going down, shouldn't be the question or answer. More money in the consumers pocket is the thing. You have a choice between dwindling returns of a potential decrease in prices or a robust economy that lends it's self to growth. It's a no brainer to most.
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Originally Posted by Bubstr
Ok, What happens when that super apple picker is reality? It puts thousands of uneducated apple pickers out of work.
And they go back to Mexico.
Originally Posted by Bubstr
As far as prices going down, that will only happen when there is competition.
I agree.
Originally Posted by Bubstr
Prices going down, shouldn't be the question or answer. More money in the consumers pocket is the thing. You have a choice between dwindling returns of a potential decrease in prices or a robust economy that lends it's self to growth. It's a no brainer to most.
What?
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Originally Posted by balljoint
And they go back to Mexico.
I agree.
What?
First, they don't go back to Mexico. Welfare here is better than welfare there.They just send their money back to mom and dad and sis.
What,? have you ever seen things get cheaper? A few mostly luxury things like TV Phone ect and only after competition. Reducing prices and economic growth, can't hardly be said in the same sentence. Growth and price increase are a part of inflation that comes with a growing economy. There is nothing wrong with that as long as they stay on the same level. You either wait for someone to generously give you a reduced price or do everything you can to make more money for you and your fellow citizens, as they are what drives the economy. Not a price roll back. You have more or less. Choose more. More money, more buying power, more sales, more profit, more employment. Building somethin or protecting something is not the same. This country became great because of building.
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Strip the dang welfare and they will go back to Mexico.
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Originally Posted by Clayton_Wetter
Strip the dang welfare and they will go back to Mexico.
Seemingly following the proposals of Bill Clinton (and Ron Paul), The Washington Post reports that a leaked document shows the Trump administration is planning to crackdown on current, and would-be, immigrants who are likely to require public assistance.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-0...igrant-welfare
After Bill Clinton received a standing ovation for suggesting crackdown on immigrant welfare...
"We are a nation of immigrants.. but we are a nation of laws"
"Our nation is rightly disturbed by the large numbers of illegal aliens entering our country...
Illegal immigrants take jobs from citizens or legal immigrants, they impose burdens on our taxpayers...
That is why we are doubling the number of border guards, deporting more illegal immigrants than ever before, cracking down on illegal hiring, barring benefits to illegal aliens, and we will do more to speed the deportation of illegal immigrants arrest for crimes...
It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws that has occurred in the last few years.. and we must do more to stop it."
And following Ron Paul's advice this week that the solution to really addressing the problem of illegal immigration, drug smuggling, and the threat of cross-border terrorism is clear:
Remove the welfare magnet that attracts so many to cross the border illegally, stop the 25 year US war in the Middle East, and end the drug war that incentivizes smugglers to cross the border.
The various taxpayer-funded programs that benefit illegal immigrants in the United States, such as direct financial transfers, medical benefits, food assistance, and education, cost an estimated $100 billion dollars per year. That is a significant burden on citizens and legal residents. The promise of free money, free food, free education, and free medical care if you cross the border illegally is a powerful incentive for people to do so. It especially makes no sense for the United States government to provide these services to those who are not in the US legally.
The Washington Post reports that The Trump administration is considering a plan to weed out would-be immigrants who are likely to require public assistance, as well as to deport — when possible — immigrants already living in the United States who depend on taxpayer help, according to a draft executive order obtained by The Washington Post.
A second draft order under consideration calls for a substantial shake up in the system through which the United States administers immigrant and nonimmigrant visas overall, with the aim of tightly controlling who enters the country, and who can enter the workforce, and to reduce the social services burden on U.S. taxpayers.
The drafts are circulating among administration officials, and it is unclear whether President Trump has decided to move forward with them or when he might sign them if he does decide to put them in place.
While Trump’s immigration ban last week focused on national security and preventing terrorism, the new draft orders would be focused on Trump’s campaign promises to protect American workers and to create jobs, immediately restricting the flow of immigrants and temporary laborers into the U.S. workforce.
The administration has blamed immigrants who end up receiving U.S. social services for eating up federal resources, and it has said immigrant workers contribute to unemployment among Americans who were born in the United States.
“Our country’s immigration laws are designed to protect American taxpayers and promote immigrant self sufficiency. Yet households headed by aliens are much more likely than those headed by citizens to use Federal means-tested public benefits,” reads one draft order obtained by The Post, titled “Executive Order on Protecting Taxpayer Resources by Ensuring Our Immigration Laws Promote Accountability and Responsibility.” The draft order provides no evidence to support the claim that immigrant households are more likely to use welfare benefits, and there is no consensus among experts about immigration’s impact on such benefits or American jobs.
WaPo goes on to note that the administration would be seeking to “deny admission to any alien who is likely to become a public charge” and develop standards for “determining” whether an immigrant can be deported after five years if that person receives a certain amount of public assistance, including Food Stamps, Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) and Medicaid.
The second order, titled “Executive Order on Protecting American Jobs and Workers by Strengthening the Integrity of Foreign Worker Visa Programs” calls for “eliminating” the “jobs magnet” that is driving illegal immigration to the United States, according to a copy obtained by The Post.
The order would rescind any work visa provisions for foreign nationals found not to be in “the national interest” or in violation of U.S. immigration laws.
Economists are divided on the extent to which illegal immigration impacts wages, but generally find that immigration is good for the economy, including the immigration of low-skilled workers.
“The unlawful employment of aliens has had a devastating impact on the wages and jobs of American workers, especially low-skilled, teenage, and African American and Hispanic workers," the draft order says.
But the CATO Institute claims "when you compare poor immigrants to poor natives, poor immigrants are less likely to use welfare, and when they do, the dollar value of the benefits they use is lower," and The Migration Policy Institute claims that "refugee men are employed at a higher rate than their U.S.-born peers."
Bear in ind this is WaPo unsubstantiated reports and The White House would not confirm or deny the authenticity of the orders, and White House officials did not respond to requests for comment about the drafts on Monday and Tuesday.
https://www.henrymakow.com/2017/01/a...migration.html
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Looks like even Bill Clinton would make Chuck "Crocodile Tears" Schumer cry.
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Originally Posted by Clayton_Wetter
Looks like even Bill Clinton would make Chuck "Crocodile Tears" Schumer cry.
That's 4 sure !!
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these are terrorists
Homeland Security publicly acknowledged Tuesday that the rollout of the extreme vetting executive order was troubled and Iraqi translators who aided the U.S. war effort were denied entry, contradicting the White House, which said things had gone exactly as planned.
Despite the hiccups in communications, officials said, far more people have earned waivers to enter the U.S. than have been denied despite President Trump’s order Friday.
Out of about 500,000 foreign travelers who tried to come to the U.S. in the first 72 hours since the temporary travel ban was imposed, just 721 were stopped from boarding their flights. Meanwhile, 1,060 green card holders and another 75 people with other types of visas were granted waivers allowing them to make the trip and be admitted once they arrived, said Kevin McAleenan, acting commissioner of U.S. Customs and Border Protection.
Mr. McAleenan did acknowledge problems with the rollout, saying some translators early on were blocked from boarding their flights. He blamed miscommunication within the administration and with airlines, saying carriers “overinterpreted” the executive order.
“I think it’s fair to acknowledge that communications, publicly and interagency, haven’t been the best in the initial rollout of this process,” he said.
That stood in contrast to senior administration officials, who over the weekend insisted that the process went well.
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Originally Posted by Bubstr
That's right, it's not a ban. And the media runs with the lie of it being just that .
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White House needs to work on( Language) of these kinds of roll outs, and I am sure they will. However, it seems that over 50% of the Country supports the vetting. That is what is important. Excited to see what the Trumpster does next.
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https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press...-united-states
It had to be rolled out as it was. Unfortunately some innocent families get caught in crossfire. But a lot of immigrants arent good people. Maybe people that will be starting forest fires this summer. WE DONT KNOW.
And we are not a Muslim country. Muslims should go to other Muslim countries. Is Egypt full?
Love you Muslims. God is good. But we have intolerance for intolerant foreigners. America is set with our culture. If one can't accept it and assimilate, leave.
And wayy too many hb1 hb2 visas and exemptions. Whole immigration system is STILL in disarray
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