Syria Heating Up.

[a25rjr]

That's why the Dems didn't vote for Trumpcare even some republicans new it was going to be a failure.

Yes it was a failure and the Dems own it. That's why It's not to smart to come up with a bill and not get support from the other side. It looks like the Republicans dodged a bullet.

After the ACA fiasco, theres no way their opinion has any validity!

[kidrock]

After the ACA fiasco, theres no way their opinion has any validity!

That's funny because the things people love the most about the aca is staying and guess what the Dems came up with them lmao!!

[balljoint]

Experts not allowed at crime scene. Sounds like mh17 lol.
http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/31886/55/Both OPCW fact-checking missions tasked with looking into the

"Idlib incident are being headed by UK citizens, which Lavrov called “a very strange coincidence” that “runs contrary to the principles of an international organization.” And the White Helmets that discovered the blasts were UK as well. Hmmm https://www.rt.com/news/385515-lavro...syria-blocked/

[balljoint]

Won't allow editing. Should be http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/31886/55/

[dirtdobber45]

So what do the French know? Seen an article that they were coming out with 'answers' SOMETIME

[balljoint]

Sounds like another sham investigation with a predetermined conclusion... Just like the others

Have to collect samples at the source immediately. And if Assad was Guilty ISil would gladly accommodate... One would think.

The world is a stage...

What do the French know? They know they'd benefit from Assad's removal. Total oil co..
..The French controlled Syria after the Ottoman empire split post WW1.

[Bubstr]

So you are indifferent about whether one party is a pack of Communists and the other has many patriotic conservatives???

Wake up call please!!!

Where did you find Conservatives, much less Patriots? Maybe you need to look up Conservative, to keep, protect and hold on to what you have.what you have. I haven't seen one since Eisenhower. What happened to all of our protections like the Glass Stegal act or the gold dollar, the decline of the minimum wage and the middle class wage. You can say the democrats passed those bills, but the republicans have had the power of both houses and never changed one thing back. If and tha's a big If, they repeal Obama Care. You and most of the middle class isn't going to like the replacement.

[balljoint]

If an OPCW inspector does not find Damascus responsible they too will be found dead in the woods.
http://www.sxolsout.org.uk/zal.html

[balljoint]

COZY BROTHERS


History is a funny thing, because we forget it so easily, and so quickly. That forgetting is usually based on the political needs of the moment, and politicians and the media count on us being that way so they can manipulate us. Works nearly every time, too.

One of the latest versions of this is the media meme that the Syrian quagmire is kinda new-ish, and that the most recent American spurt of 59 cruise missiles into that country represents something, maybe an escalation, maybe a change of policy, maybe some domestic political thingie. To help disprove all that, here’s an article I wrote about a year ago.

Let’s see how that holds up in hindsight.



Quick Summary:

Despite over 400,000 dead and ongoing ground and air campaigns inside the country by the U.S., Russia and several others, 51 U.S. diplomats in 2016 publicly demanded the Obama administration launch strikes directly against Bashir Assad in Syria.

The Assad family has ruled Syria since the 1970s with an iron hand, employing secret police and other standard dictator tricks to suppress dissent. Things got so cozy between Syria and the U.S. that in the early days of the war on terror the CIA was sending “suspects” to Syria for some outsourced torture, as nobody can run a secret prison better than Arabs.

Papa Assad passed away and his son Bashir assumed the presidency in 2000. Some ten years later Assad did the same thing most Arab dictators did, including U.S. allies like Egypt, and ordered crackdowns on Arab Spring protesters. The U.S. then decided in an on-again, off-again fashion to “remove” Assad. When no one in the U.S. really liked the sound of that following the disastrous failed regime changes in Iraq, Libya and Yemen, the U.S. attacked Syria anyway in the name of smiting Islamic State [ISIS]. Assad, whatever else he is, is also at war with ISIS. Some 400,000 Syrians have died so far in the civil war.

And there’s a photo above of Secretary of State and Bashir Assad hanging out in better days. Times change, man.



A Memo

With that as background, 51 mid-level American diplomats took the brave stand of writing a memo (technically known as using the State Department dissent channel.) The memo was promptly leaked to the press [Note this was in mid-2016].

Oh, a memo calling for more war written by people who wear suits and ties to work (technically known as chickenhawks.)

The memo says American policy has been “overwhelmed” by the unrelenting violence in Syria. It calls for “a judicious use of standoff and air weapons, which would undergird and drive a more focused and hard-nosed U.S.-led diplomatic process.”



Regime Change

Robert Ford, former ambassador to Syria, said, “Many people working on Syria for the State Department have long urged a tougher policy with the Assad government as a means of facilitating arrival at a negotiated political deal to set up a new Syrian government.”

Regime change. Bloody change, as it seems odd to imagine Assad would negotiate his own ouster.



What the Memo Left Out

The dissent memo makes no suggestions, actually no mention at all, about who would succeed Assad, or how this regime change would be any different than the failed tries in Iraq, Libya or Yemen, or how ISIS, who also seeks the end of the Assad regime through violence, would not be further empowered, or how the U.S. would get away with airstrikes given the overt Russian support for the Assad regime. Everyone except for those brave memo-ists has seen this movie before.

Also missing from the memo are any notes on what if any military service the 51 signatories have amongst them, or why this call for more blood comes from the State Department and not from the military, whose commanders have raised questions about what would happen in the event that Assad was forced from power. Their questions are likely motivated by the fact that they would be asked to risk their lives to clean the mess.

Finally, no one seems to remember anymore why “we” need to “take out” Assad. He is no doubt a terrible person who kills to protect his power. But leaders like that are not in short supply across the Middle East, in Africa, in North Korea. It seems a more specific rationale, tied directly to some clear U.S. strategic interest, is needed (remember, Assad is fighting ISIS and has never sought to export terror to the U.S.) Assad also enjoys support inside his country by some minority, who will not go away quietly if he is changed out. See what happened to the Baathists in Iraq, who organized some of the first resistance to the U.S., and went on to help staff up ISIS.

History sure is funny. It also bites hard, especially when you ignore its lessons.

https://wemeantwell.com/blog/

[a25rjr]

[QUOTE=Bubstr;2099847... If and tha's a big If, they repeal Obama Care. You and most of the middle class isn't going to like the replacement.[/QUOTE]


After watching my premiums triple under Odummers health plan, I canceled it and claimed hardship.

ANYTHING, and I mean ANYTHING will be an improvement!

But then again, I work for a living and own a business, and don't expect FREE healthcare!

[Clayton_Wetter]

Where did you find Conservatives, much less Patriots? Maybe you need to look up Conservative, to keep, protect and hold on to what you have.what you have. I haven't seen one since Eisenhower. What happened to all of our protections like the Glass Stegal act or the gold dollar, the decline of the minimum wage and the middle class wage. You can say the democrats passed those bills, but the republicans have had the power of both houses and never changed one thing back. If and tha's a big If, they repeal Obama Care. You and most of the middle class isn't going to like the replacement.

Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, Rand Paul, Ben Sasse, Tim Scott to start with and how about the Freedom Caucus?

That's where you find them, by researching them. And there are also more in the House.

It's a minority but these people are there to do what they were elected to do.

If ObummerCare is not repealed it appears to be headed for a collapse if nothing is done. The 9 million given medicaid is a lot of voters.

[Bubstr]

After watching my premiums triple under Odummers health plan, I canceled it and claimed hardship.

ANYTHING, and I mean ANYTHING will be an improvement!

But then again, I work for a living and own a business, and don't expect FREE healthcare!

What has been forgotten, is health care costs where going up at a faster rate than they are now, in the years before Obama care. The difference is who and how they where paid . At that time, the cost o the uninsured where added to the bills from hospitals and Doctors and pharmaceuticals. Hence, the $5 dollar aspirin. Anyone that had insurance or paid their Med bills, paid for the uninsured. Obama care did eliminate the high deductible policies that got people into Bankruptcy and added to the bill of people with good insurance or paid their own way. Those low cost plans where fine if you didn't get real sick and i you did, just file bankruptcy and let you neighbor pay.

What was the big failure of Obama care, was the failure to cut costs in any way. It allowed States to limit access to only a few Insurance companies, which limits competition and keeps prices high. They avoided any cost cutting, because the Insurance companies, Pharmaceuticals and AMA contributed to their campaign funds. That part will not change with Trump care. You will not like it. As much as I hate the idea, Socialized Medicine seems better than getting ripped off by the heath care giants. We are eighth in the wold for health care results and pay the most. Those seven countries ahead of us are all socialized. We are paying for a Caddy and getting a Yugo.

[Bubstr]

Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, Rand Paul, Ben Sasse, Tim Scott to start with and how about the Freedom Caucus?

That's where you find them, by researching them. And there are also more in the House.

It's a minority but these people are there to do what they were elected to do.

If ObummerCare is not repealed it appears to be headed for a collapse if nothing is done. The 9 million given medicaid is a lot of voters.

Name one thing that these bogus conservatives have conserved, out side of the steady trickle of money coming from corporations and banks that want to buy our government. Name one thing that any of your guys above have done to conserve the way of life or wages of the middle class.

[balljoint]

"Very pleased govt funding agreement includes addtl visas for #Afghan interpreters..."

https://twitter.com/SenJohnMcCain/st...7Ctwgr%5Etweet

[Clayton_Wetter]

Name one thing that these bogus conservatives have conserved, out side of the steady trickle of money coming from corporations and banks that want to buy our government. Name one thing that any of your guys above have done to conserve the way of life or wages of the middle class.

Check out their voting records on bills. Then chow down on your crow!

It takes majorities you know..

Bogus conservatives??? Man you've got a syndrome going on there!!!

[kidrock]

What has been forgotten, is health care costs where going up at a faster rate than they are now, in the years before Obama care. The difference is who and how they where paid . At that time, the cost o the uninsured where added to the bills from hospitals and Doctors and pharmaceuticals. Hence, the $5 dollar aspirin. Anyone that had insurance or paid their Med bills, paid for the uninsured. Obama care did eliminate the high deductible policies that got people into Bankruptcy and added to the bill of people with good insurance or paid their own way. Those low cost plans where fine if you didn't get real sick and i you did, just file bankruptcy and let you neighbor pay.

What was the big failure of Obama care, was the failure to cut costs in any way. It allowed States to limit access to only a few Insurance companies, which limits competition and keeps prices high. They avoided any cost cutting, because the Insurance companies, Pharmaceuticals and AMA contributed to their campaign funds. That part will not change with Trump care. You will not like it. As much as I hate the idea, Socialized Medicine seems better than getting ripped off by the heath care giants. We are eighth in the wold for health care results and pay the most. Those seven countries ahead of us are all socialized. We are paying for a Caddy and getting a Yugo.

You are so right, My wife really deals with our insurance and like she pointed out to me our insurance has been going up for years. Way before Obamacare, she has had to change doctors twice now way before Obamacare.

When you let the insurance and pharma right your healthcare law what do you expect to happen.

Wants Trumpcare gets passed and it will they are going to feel the wrath from it because no matter what some people are going to be pissed off.

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